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Bush sent more funding to NO to sure up the levees than any of his
predecessors.

Doesn't matter much:

NY Times
September 13, 2005
Katrina's Message on the Corps

There has been much grumbling that Congress and the Bush administration
denied the Army Corps of Engineers the money that was required to fortify
New Orleans against a hurricane like Katrina. These complaints need to be
pursued. Flood control is mainly a federal obligation, and the agency
most responsible for it must have enough money to do the job right.

But there is another question worth asking: has the Army Corps made wise
use of the money it has? Louisiana has received about $1.9 billion over
the past four years for corps civil works projects, more than any other
state. Although much of this has been spent to protect New Orleans, a lot
has also been spent on unrelated water projects - a new and unnecessary
lock in the New Orleans Industrial Canal, for instance, and dredging
little-used waterways like the Red River - mainly to serve the barge
industry and other commercial interests.

The Louisiana delegation, second to none in bringing home the bacon, is
as much to blame for these skewed priorities as the corps is. Yet the
reports of wasted dollars in Louisiana are consistent with the corps's
historical profile. Studies by the Government Accountability Office, the
National Academy of Sciences and others have documented that the agency
has long inflated the economic payoffs of its projects to justify ever
greater budget outlays, while underestimating the environmental damage
caused by turning free-flowing rivers into lifeless canals and destroying
millions of acres of valuable wetlands. This satisfies the corps's
appetite for money and Congress's appetite for pork.

Katrina thus raises an even broader question: has the time not come,
finally, to impose some real discipline on the Army Corps and its
paymasters in Congress who regard it as their own cookie jar?

Both the present commander, Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, and his predecessor
have promised internal reforms. But the lead must come from Congress,
where enlightened reformers like Senators John McCain and Russell
Feingold are pushing independent peer review for individual projects and
other changes that might truly make a difference.

Unfortunately, many other senators - not just those from Louisiana - are
powerfully addicted to corps projects and the votes they attract,
especially Christopher Bond of Missouri, who controls the corps's budget
and has single-handedly kept alive a nonessential barge industry on the
Missouri River at great cost to the environment and taxpayers. To
discipline the corps, Congress must first discipline itself.

Good article. So the money was sent, but not used properly. Now the real
blame game can start. Since Bush wasn't the one to appropriate where the
money went, can we at least agree that it's ridiculous to keep arguing
that "Bush didn't spend the money to reinforce the levees"?


I never said Bush had anything to do with the levees. I doubt anyone on his
staff has the patience to try explaining levees to him.

Harry, stop spinning, you'r getting dizzy and sounding silly. There is
not a rational person on this planet who thinks Bush is responsible for
evacuating NO. If the Dems keep doing this blame thing for katrina,
you can see that it will be very easy to make them look like Genocidal
maniacs. The blame thing is kinda sleazy but I can easily imagine
campaign blogs in 2006 that show the flooded busses followed by pics of
corpses to illustrate the incompetence of the Dems. Maybe you'd like a
blog on Democratic Urban renewal showing Bush having to beg Blanco to
evacuate and then showing corpses. If this is the sort of thing the
Dems want , I can guarantee they will end up looking really bad. If
the Dems really want to campaign on this, they will just make
themselves into easy targets. Find some real political issues unless
you just want a sleaze campaign that you will lose.

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Bush sent more funding to NO to sure up the levees than any of his
predecessors.

Doesn't matter much:

NY Times
September 13, 2005
Katrina's Message on the Corps

There has been much grumbling that Congress and the Bush administration
denied the Army Corps of Engineers the money that was required to
fortify New Orleans against a hurricane like Katrina. These complaints
need to be pursued. Flood control is mainly a federal obligation, and
the agency most responsible for it must have enough money to do the job
right.

But there is another question worth asking: has the Army Corps made wise
use of the money it has? Louisiana has received about $1.9 billion over
the past four years for corps civil works projects, more than any other
state. Although much of this has been spent to protect New Orleans, a
lot has also been spent on unrelated water projects - a new and
unnecessary lock in the New Orleans Industrial Canal, for instance, and
dredging little-used waterways like the Red River - mainly to serve the
barge industry and other commercial interests.

The Louisiana delegation, second to none in bringing home the bacon, is
as much to blame for these skewed priorities as the corps is. Yet the
reports of wasted dollars in Louisiana are consistent with the corps's
historical profile. Studies by the Government Accountability Office, the
National Academy of Sciences and others have documented that the agency
has long inflated the economic payoffs of its projects to justify ever
greater budget outlays, while underestimating the environmental damage
caused by turning free-flowing rivers into lifeless canals and
destroying millions of acres of valuable wetlands. This satisfies the
corps's appetite for money and Congress's appetite for pork.

Katrina thus raises an even broader question: has the time not come,
finally, to impose some real discipline on the Army Corps and its
paymasters in Congress who regard it as their own cookie jar?

Both the present commander, Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, and his predecessor
have promised internal reforms. But the lead must come from Congress,
where enlightened reformers like Senators John McCain and Russell
Feingold are pushing independent peer review for individual projects and
other changes that might truly make a difference.

Unfortunately, many other senators - not just those from Louisiana - are
powerfully addicted to corps projects and the votes they attract,
especially Christopher Bond of Missouri, who controls the corps's budget
and has single-handedly kept alive a nonessential barge industry on the
Missouri River at great cost to the environment and taxpayers. To
discipline the corps, Congress must first discipline itself.

Good article. So the money was sent, but not used properly. Now the
real blame game can start. Since Bush wasn't the one to appropriate
where the money went, can we at least agree that it's ridiculous to keep
arguing that "Bush didn't spend the money to reinforce the levees"?


I never said Bush had anything to do with the levees.

Of course not. The environmental group "Save our Wetlands" put the kibosh
to the idea of flood gates back in 1970.
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Rea...e.asp?ID=19418

I read the quote from Blanco about Bush appealling to her to order a
mandatory evac in a copy of the Monday NO Times Picayune (the day of
the hurricane). Since then, I have seen two apocryphal statements that
she had decided to evacuate BEFORE Bush talked to her but no evidence
of this. The idea that she had decided to evac before she talked to
Bush is cantradicted by both her and Nagin being afraid to evac due to
buisiness and liability concerns the day before. Instead, she decided
to blame Bush by telling people (as quoted in the NO paper) just in
case an evac really was not needed. As it turns out, and evac really
was needed so Bush should get credit.

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I read the quote from Blanco about Bush appealling to her to order a
mandatory evac in a copy of the Monday NO Times Picayune (the day of
the hurricane). Since then, I have seen two apocryphal statements that
she had decided to evacuate BEFORE Bush talked to her but no evidence
of this. The idea that she had decided to evac before she talked to
Bush is cantradicted by both her and Nagin being afraid to evac due to
buisiness and liability concerns the day before. Instead, she decided
to blame Bush by telling people (as quoted in the NO paper) just in
case an evac really was not needed. As it turns out, and evac really
was needed so Bush should get credit.


I still find it amazing that even in the face of overwhelming evidence,
people like bb continue to deny that Blanco publicly stated that Bush spoke
with her on the phone and urged her to evacuate New Orleans.

Facts:
The Bush/Blanco phone call took place before the mandatory evacuation order
was given by Nagin.

The press conference occurred after the phone call.

Blanco stated in the press conference that Bush called her and urged her and
Nagin to issue a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans.