On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:46:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"PocoLoco" wrote in message
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Bull****. You stated that more jobs were created. You did NOT indicate
at
what income levels they were created. 95% may have been jobs which pay
minimum wage. Or not. You don't know. And, you don't know where those
employees came from before. Were they unemployed? Did they leave other
jobs
for reasons other than money, like travel distance or job
satisfaction?
You
have no idea. Therefore, you cannot argue that there was any gain or
loss,
or that it has any political significance whatsoever.


Doug, do you really believe that all these people were hired at
minimum
wage,
and no supervisors were hired, or promoted? Why not get a little bit
real?

I never made any numerical claims. I'm pointing out that this particular
statistic is meaningless without other information. You must know a few
math
teachers who enjoy statistics. Ask some of them.


Well, then you must also believe that denigrating the jobs as 'low
paying' is
also meaningless. True?

John, the past few years have brought new testing procedures to be sure
our kids are up to speed in terms of reading comprehension. Have you
tried taking any of the sample tests?

I specifically said that the stats presented by NOYB are meaningless. I
did not say the jobs "created" were low paying jobs. If you disagree,
please cut & paste my text, and tell me why you think I made any claims.

The test, rather than being an assessment are the goal. The teachers are
teaching to pass the test instead of teaching to children to learn.


If that's what your school is doing, complain, or help your kids at home,
which is where most real learning begins anyway.


In Virginia, the state has published Standards of Learning for each subject by
grade level. The SOLs are pretty comprehensive.

Here is the 8th Grade Math SOL. Note that this is *not* the Algebra SOL.

http://www.pen.k12.va.us/VDOE/Superi...Sols/math8.pdf

The teachers are given the SOLs, and are told to teach them all. They do not see
the SOL Test until it is administered in late Spring. To say they teach the test
is simply an untrue put down.

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."