20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

"werlax" wrote in message
om...
I just got the boat back from it's 20 hour maintenance that the dealer
suggested I take in to them to ensure it's done properly. Stupidly, I
didn't ask enough questions at the time. It seems to me that all they
did was change the crankcase oil and gear lube and then, according to
the service guy, checked the trailer, gauges, etc. Everything apart
from changes those two fluids seems to have been a visual inspection.
For under $20 in parts and over $170 in labor, it seems to be a huge
scam. I could have easily changed those fluids myself. Next time
I'll know better. Next step... winterizing. Who should do it?
Thanks!

As Peggie said in another post, it's worth it for a couple of reasons
- the main one is if they miss something, it's their fault. Just keep the
paperwork available. I have personal experience with this - the local
dealership lost his boat/engine dealership after I finished with him about
five years ago - everything was documented and when he refused to
fix the problem, I went the manufacturer who fell all over themselves
to get the problems (original and resulting) fixed.

Having said that, $170 in labor seems a little high for that kind of
service. How many hours did they charge you for? It shouldn't
have taken a trained mechanic more than an hour for that and
$170 seems way high. I'd go back to the Service Manager and
make him explain, step-by-step, how long it took to do each of the
things listed on the repair order. Guarantee you, the service time
will be adjusted in your favor. Mention something like, "I spoke
to the (your state) AG's Consumer Affairs division and they
said to ask you to explain......"

As to winterizing, have the dealer do it, but get a firm price for
it ahead of time with a detailed list of what is going to be done or
what you want done. I don't know what kind of boat you have,
but my FICHT, new plugs, filters, gearcase and fogging with
Sta-bil for a 60 gallon tank in the Ranger cost me under $200.
The Mercs I haven't had done yet, but I should expect about
double that.

I live in Connecticut if that helps you any.

Later,

Tom

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

With labor rates running $70-85/hr (depending on where you live), $170
doesn't sound unreasonable...that's less than 3 hours.

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html


Rural Knight wrote:
"werlax" wrote in message
om...

I just got the boat back from it's 20 hour maintenance that the dealer
suggested I take in to them to ensure it's done properly. Stupidly, I
didn't ask enough questions at the time. It seems to me that all they
did was change the crankcase oil and gear lube and then, according to
the service guy, checked the trailer, gauges, etc. Everything apart
from changes those two fluids seems to have been a visual inspection.
For under $20 in parts and over $170 in labor, it seems to be a huge
scam. I could have easily changed those fluids myself. Next time
I'll know better. Next step... winterizing. Who should do it?
Thanks!


As Peggie said in another post, it's worth it for a couple of reasons
- the main one is if they miss something, it's their fault. Just keep the
paperwork available. I have personal experience with this - the local
dealership lost his boat/engine dealership after I finished with him about
five years ago - everything was documented and when he refused to
fix the problem, I went the manufacturer who fell all over themselves
to get the problems (original and resulting) fixed.

Having said that, $170 in labor seems a little high for that kind of
service. How many hours did they charge you for? It shouldn't
have taken a trained mechanic more than an hour for that and
$170 seems way high. I'd go back to the Service Manager and
make him explain, step-by-step, how long it took to do each of the
things listed on the repair order. Guarantee you, the service time
will be adjusted in your favor. Mention something like, "I spoke
to the (your state) AG's Consumer Affairs division and they
said to ask you to explain......"

As to winterizing, have the dealer do it, but get a firm price for
it ahead of time with a detailed list of what is going to be done or
what you want done. I don't know what kind of boat you have,
but my FICHT, new plugs, filters, gearcase and fogging with
Sta-bil for a 60 gallon tank in the Ranger cost me under $200.
The Mercs I haven't had done yet, but I should expect about
double that.

I live in Connecticut if that helps you any.

Later,

Tom

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

Does to me - but then I'm cheap. ;)

Later,

Tom

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
With labor rates running $70-85/hr (depending on where you live), $170
doesn't sound unreasonable...that's less than 3 hours.

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html


Rural Knight wrote:
"werlax" wrote in message
om...

I just got the boat back from it's 20 hour maintenance that the dealer
suggested I take in to them to ensure it's done properly. Stupidly, I
didn't ask enough questions at the time. It seems to me that all they
did was change the crankcase oil and gear lube and then, according to
the service guy, checked the trailer, gauges, etc. Everything apart
from changes those two fluids seems to have been a visual inspection.
For under $20 in parts and over $170 in labor, it seems to be a huge
scam. I could have easily changed those fluids myself. Next time
I'll know better. Next step... winterizing. Who should do it?
Thanks!


As Peggie said in another post, it's worth it for a couple of reasons
- the main one is if they miss something, it's their fault. Just keep
the
paperwork available. I have personal experience with this - the local
dealership lost his boat/engine dealership after I finished with him
about
five years ago - everything was documented and when he refused to
fix the problem, I went the manufacturer who fell all over themselves
to get the problems (original and resulting) fixed.

Having said that, $170 in labor seems a little high for that kind of
service. How many hours did they charge you for? It shouldn't
have taken a trained mechanic more than an hour for that and
$170 seems way high. I'd go back to the Service Manager and
make him explain, step-by-step, how long it took to do each of the
things listed on the repair order. Guarantee you, the service time
will be adjusted in your favor. Mention something like, "I spoke
to the (your state) AG's Consumer Affairs division and they
said to ask you to explain......"

As to winterizing, have the dealer do it, but get a firm price for
it ahead of time with a detailed list of what is going to be done or
what you want done. I don't know what kind of boat you have,
but my FICHT, new plugs, filters, gearcase and fogging with
Sta-bil for a 60 gallon tank in the Ranger cost me under $200.
The Mercs I haven't had done yet, but I should expect about
double that.

I live in Connecticut if that helps you any.

Later,

Tom

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

If you did the service yourself, would you of known when something didn't
look right or needed an adjustment. As for the winter thing, I'm you will do
just fine doing it yourself especially if you have many under you belt.


"Rural Knight" wrote in message
ink.net...
Does to me - but then I'm cheap. ;)

Later,

Tom

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
With labor rates running $70-85/hr (depending on where you live), $170
doesn't sound unreasonable...that's less than 3 hours.

Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html


Rural Knight wrote:
"werlax" wrote in message
om...

I just got the boat back from it's 20 hour maintenance that the dealer
suggested I take in to them to ensure it's done properly. Stupidly, I
didn't ask enough questions at the time. It seems to me that all they
did was change the crankcase oil and gear lube and then, according to
the service guy, checked the trailer, gauges, etc. Everything apart
from changes those two fluids seems to have been a visual inspection.
For under $20 in parts and over $170 in labor, it seems to be a huge
scam. I could have easily changed those fluids myself. Next time
I'll know better. Next step... winterizing. Who should do it?
Thanks!


As Peggie said in another post, it's worth it for a couple of reasons
- the main one is if they miss something, it's their fault. Just keep
the
paperwork available. I have personal experience with this - the local

dealership lost his boat/engine dealership after I finished with him
about
five years ago - everything was documented and when he refused to
fix the problem, I went the manufacturer who fell all over themselves
to get the problems (original and resulting) fixed.

Having said that, $170 in labor seems a little high for that kind of
service. How many hours did they charge you for? It shouldn't
have taken a trained mechanic more than an hour for that and
$170 seems way high. I'd go back to the Service Manager and
make him explain, step-by-step, how long it took to do each of the
things listed on the repair order. Guarantee you, the service time
will be adjusted in your favor. Mention something like, "I spoke
to the (your state) AG's Consumer Affairs division and they
said to ask you to explain......"

As to winterizing, have the dealer do it, but get a firm price for
it ahead of time with a detailed list of what is going to be done or
what you want done. I don't know what kind of boat you have,
but my FICHT, new plugs, filters, gearcase and fogging with
Sta-bil for a 60 gallon tank in the Ranger cost me under $200.
The Mercs I haven't had done yet, but I should expect about
double that.

I live in Connecticut if that helps you any.

Later,

Tom

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

PS, you'll find that anyone who supports the dealer doing this is either a.
RICH or b. in the business.

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Remove the not dot from my address to abuse my email box
"werlax" wrote in message
om...
I just got the boat back from it's 20 hour maintenance that the dealer
suggested I take in to them to ensure it's done properly. Stupidly, I
didn't ask enough questions at the time. It seems to me that all they
did was change the crankcase oil and gear lube and then, according to
the service guy, checked the trailer, gauges, etc. Everything apart
from changes those two fluids seems to have been a visual inspection.
For under $20 in parts and over $170 in labor, it seems to be a huge
scam. I could have easily changed those fluids myself. Next time
I'll know better. Next step... winterizing. Who should do it?
Thanks!

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

What's winterizing?

werlax wrote:
I just got the boat back from it's 20 hour maintenance that the dealer
suggested I take in to them to ensure it's done properly. Stupidly, I
didn't ask enough questions at the time. It seems to me that all they
did was change the crankcase oil and gear lube and then, according to
the service guy, checked the trailer, gauges, etc. Everything apart
from changes those two fluids seems to have been a visual inspection.
For under $20 in parts and over $170 in labor, it seems to be a huge
scam. I could have easily changed those fluids myself. Next time
I'll know better. Next step... winterizing. Who should do it?
Thanks!

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

Please tell us exactly what kind of boat and motor you have. This will
help.

--
Tony
my boats and autos - http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com


"Kelton Joyner" wrote in message
. ..
What's winterizing?

werlax wrote:
I just got the boat back from it's 20 hour maintenance that the dealer
suggested I take in to them to ensure it's done properly. Stupidly, I
didn't ask enough questions at the time. It seems to me that all they
did was change the crankcase oil and gear lube and then, according to
the service guy, checked the trailer, gauges, etc. Everything apart
from changes those two fluids seems to have been a visual inspection.
For under $20 in parts and over $170 in labor, it seems to be a huge
scam. I could have easily changed those fluids myself. Next time
I'll know better. Next step... winterizing. Who should do it?
Thanks!

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

Bill Andersen wrote:

I'm not rich or in the business but I do take my boat to the dealer for a
100 hour service each year.
There's more to it than changing the oil and filter. They check alignment,
cylinder compression, remove the prop to be sure there's no fishing line
wrapped up in the hub, and on, and on.
For those of us who don't want to buy all the tools and become mechanics,
it's worth the dealer's labor charges to have someone else check out the
boat. I just want to drive it.


"Steve Barker" wrote in message
...
PS, you'll find that anyone who supports the dealer doing this is either
a.
RICH or b. in the business.

--
Steve =======================
Remove the not dot from my address to abuse my email box
"werlax" wrote in message
om...
I just got the boat back from it's 20 hour maintenance that the dealer
suggested I take in to them to ensure it's done properly. Stupidly, I
didn't ask enough questions at the time. It seems to me that all they
did was change the crankcase oil and gear lube and then, according to
the service guy, checked the trailer, gauges, etc. Everything apart
from changes those two fluids seems to have been a visual inspection.
For under $20 in parts and over $170 in labor, it seems to be a huge
scam. I could have easily changed those fluids myself. Next time
I'll know better. Next step... winterizing. Who should do it?
Thanks!






A new, high-horsepower outboard sells from $10,000 to $14,000 and more.
Spending a few hundred dollars on it once or twice a season seems
perfectly rational.



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email sent to will *never* get to me.

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

The 20 hr checkup includes such items as checking the alignment between the
engine and outdrive (if so equipped), checking and adjusting steering and
shift cables (which stretch when new), and checking any warranty issues.
Remember that the labor rate is not what the mechanic gets, it includes
overhead such as rent, administrative labor, utilities, advertising, etc.
The visual inspection by a factory trained mechanic is a lot different from
you or me looking at something. Nobody ever said boating was cheap!

Ron



"werlax" wrote in message
om...
I just got the boat back from it's 20 hour maintenance that the dealer
suggested I take in to them to ensure it's done properly. Stupidly, I
didn't ask enough questions at the time. It seems to me that all they
did was change the crankcase oil and gear lube and then, according to
the service guy, checked the trailer, gauges, etc. Everything apart
from changes those two fluids seems to have been a visual inspection.
For under $20 in parts and over $170 in labor, it seems to be a huge
scam. I could have easily changed those fluids myself. Next time
I'll know better. Next step... winterizing. Who should do it?
Thanks!

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

We just bought a new Baja 242 this season. One of the things that we had
the dealer add as part of the deal was the 20 hour service. Your list
sounds about right for what they did with our boat but it didn't cost us a
dime.

gds


"werlax" wrote in message
om...
I just got the boat back from it's 20 hour maintenance that the dealer
suggested I take in to them to ensure it's done properly. Stupidly, I
didn't ask enough questions at the time. It seems to me that all they
did was change the crankcase oil and gear lube and then, according to
the service guy, checked the trailer, gauges, etc. Everything apart
from changes those two fluids seems to have been a visual inspection.
For under $20 in parts and over $170 in labor, it seems to be a huge
scam. I could have easily changed those fluids myself. Next time
I'll know better. Next step... winterizing. Who should do it?
Thanks!

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

Glenn S. wrote:
We just bought a new Baja 242 this season. One of the things that we had
the dealer add as part of the deal was the 20 hour service. Your list
sounds about right for what they did with our boat but it didn't cost us a
dime.

It did...but instead of being an additional out of pocket cost, it's
included in your monthly boat payment, along with everything else you
negotiated into the total price of your boat. If you want to know what
they're really costing you, back 'em out of the amount you financed and
run your boat loan payments without 'em.

Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html








"werlax" wrote in message
om...

I just got the boat back from it's 20 hour maintenance that the dealer
suggested I take in to them to ensure it's done properly. Stupidly, I
didn't ask enough questions at the time. It seems to me that all they
did was change the crankcase oil and gear lube and then, according to
the service guy, checked the trailer, gauges, etc. Everything apart
from changes those two fluids seems to have been a visual inspection.
For under $20 in parts and over $170 in labor, it seems to be a huge
scam. I could have easily changed those fluids myself. Next time
I'll know better. Next step... winterizing. Who should do it?
Thanks!

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 16:27:29 +0000, Kelton Joyner wrote:

What's winterizing?


- making sure the cabin heater works
- changing out the shorts and T-shirts onboard for sweaters, blankets and
heavy-weather gear
- checking the antifreeze
- changing out beer and softdrinks for rum and hot chocolate
- putting on the dodger, bimini, etc if removed
- checking the running lights

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

What's winterizing?


- making sure the cabin heater works
- changing out the shorts and T-shirts onboard for sweaters, blankets and
heavy-weather gear
- checking the antifreeze
- changing out beer and softdrinks for rum and hot chocolate
- putting on the dodger, bimini, etc if removed
- checking the running lights

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Lloyd you forgot the last step ...
... sailing off to somewhere below the 26th parallel!

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

Wow - someone reads my webpages: scary! ;)

The Newer Pages are http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/Campion and
http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/Skeeter (my "new" 12ft aluminum skiff
- now repainted blue and grey, with a floor. Looks Sharp!). Oh, and the
mouseboat I built for my Lady: http://www.user.dccnet.com/lsumpter/Lily

The older stuff is at http://members.shaw.ca/lsumpter/boats/ and
http://members.shaw.ca/lsumpter/Stinky/

Seems I've lost the Desolation Sound stuff and the Bayliner "reserrection".

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36
"Near Cove" Walker Bay 8
"Timmy" Mirrocraft 12
"Miss Lily" Mouseboat 8


On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 02:27:33 +0000, Chad Hansen wrote:

Lloyd,have you updated your web pages lately.I lost the link.I always
enjoyed reading.I followed most of your projects.
thanks,chad
"Gfretwell" wrote in message
...
What's winterizing?


- making sure the cabin heater works
- changing out the shorts and T-shirts onboard for sweaters, blankets and
heavy-weather gear
- checking the antifreeze
- changing out beer and softdrinks for rum and hot chocolate
- putting on the dodger, bimini, etc if removed
- checking the running lights

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Lloyd you forgot the last step ...
... sailing off to somewhere below the 26th parallel!

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

That mouseboat is VERY nifty.

Never quite seen anything like it.

Later,

Tom

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 04:29:26 +0000, Jim wrote:

LLoyd,

You painted the Skeeter? And don't have pics? BTW, did you
ever manage to get that canvas in front to strech enough to snap
it in place?

-Jim



Yup - it's now royal blue and "aluminum" on the outside and two shades of
grey inside - looks sharp! And I've decided not to call it "Skeeter" cuz
there's a bassboat mfr by that name (women and bassboats are two things
I'll NEVER understand!)

I did get the canvas stretched, but haven't used it. The bimini top is
VERY nice though!

Lloyd

20 hour maintenance - joke?
 

Its that thing they have to do in the high numbered latitudes. Poor
folks can't use thir boats in December.
All the water is covered in, -- what do you call it??-- oh yeah.. ice.

C.F.

Kelton Joyner wrote:

What's winterizing?

werlax wrote:

I just got the boat back from it's 20 hour maintenance that the dealer
suggested I take in to them to ensure it's done properly. Stupidly, I
didn't ask enough questions at the time. It seems to me that all they
did was change the crankcase oil and gear lube and then, according to
the service guy, checked the trailer, gauges, etc. Everything apart
from changes those two fluids seems to have been a visual inspection.
For under $20 in parts and over $170 in labor, it seems to be a huge
scam. I could have easily changed those fluids myself. Next time
I'll know better. Next step... winterizing. Who should do it?
Thanks!