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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Doesn't seem unusual to me at all. At around 2500 rpms is about where mine drops off plane and essentiallly plows water.... Ok, let's say your boat drops off plane at 2500 RPM. (Are we talking OB motor?) I/O on a 28ft Wellcraft Monte Carlo. :-) Let's say that just off plane in your boat is 9 mph. At 2600 rpm we'll say you're back on plane at 10-11 mph. Adding 400 rpm to that will bring you to 25 mph? I don't stay on plane at 10-11, it pops out of the hole somewhere around 20. At about 3000 rpm, I run at about 25 mph, at full throttle on flat water I max at about 38. Something is fracturing my paradigm. Very light boats, outboard motors, or something else I don't typically experience. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Gould, Since you boat with a trawler I think you have forgotten what happens when a planning hull is no longer planning but is "muscling" it's way through the water. Most boats drop off of planning at 2200 rpm to 2800 rpm. The numbers do look reasonable for a "planning hull". Once a month I do test runs on a wide variety of different boats. A number of them are planing hulls. I cannot remember a boat where an increase of 500 rpm would have brought the boat from 9mph to 25mph. As I said, I'm not in a position to comment on that specific boat, but the numbers seem strange to me. Once a boat is over the bow wake and on plane, (which should be occuring somewhere in the low to mid teens speed wise), in most cases fuel consumption goes up exponentially to obtain additional speed. It would be interesting to view a speed/fuel chart for the boat NOYB is referring to. A boat with the operating characteristics NOYB described would be frustrating as hell. A difference of 500 RPM increases the speed by 2 1/2 times? Unless you wanted to run (and the conditions permitted) 25mph, you'd have a dickens of a time setting the throttle for a speed somewhere between 9mph and 25mph and keeping the boat there. Everytime a mosquito landed on the throttle lever you'd pick up or lose a couple of miles an hour. :-) Naw. You might only have to jump the engine speed to 2550 to get up on plane...and your speed might go up 5-7 mph. Once on plane, every 100rpm might increase your speed 2-2.5 mph until you hit 25mph. |
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The reason the first one didn't make sense to you is that you're forgetting
that the point of maximum drag is at the speed you're running right before you jump on plane. At 9 mph, that boat is pushing tons of water. At 25 mph, that boat is displacing much less water. I'm not forgetting anything. Even though I gravitate toward semi and full displacement hulls, I have been on plane in many dozens of boats and the numbers don't make sense. Let's apply some logic. If wew agree for purposes of discussion that the boat is not on plane at 9mph, (and it most likely would not be), and that we have only 500 rpm to "spend" to get the boat from 9 mph to 25, observe what has to happen: We will need to spend at least 100-200 RPM (maybe more) to climb the bow wave and maintain a minimal plane. For purposes of discussion, let's say when we throttle up enough to climb the bow wave we achieve 14 mph. The unspent 300 RPM are going to take this boat from 14 mph to 25? Almost doubling the speed? No, they are not. The other example, a 2500 RPM difference between 6 mph and 27 mph is more believable than a 500 rpm difference between 9 mph and 25. |
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I had a similar experience. My 1994 290 Searay would go about 12mph
at 2000rpm and slowly ramp up to about 16mph at 2900, then stay on plane at 27mph and 3200 rpm. That's not all that similar. You were using 1200 rpm to go from 12mph to 27......not 500 rpm to go from 9mph to 25. |
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Naw. You might only have to jump the engine speed to 2550 to get up on
plane...and your speed might go up 5-7 mph. Once on plane, every 100rpm might increase your speed 2-2.5 mph until you hit 25mph. Reasonable statement, but not consistent with the original example. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... The reason the first one didn't make sense to you is that you're forgetting that the point of maximum drag is at the speed you're running right before you jump on plane. At 9 mph, that boat is pushing tons of water. At 25 mph, that boat is displacing much less water. I'm not forgetting anything. Even though I gravitate toward semi and full displacement hulls, I have been on plane in many dozens of boats and the numbers don't make sense. Let's apply some logic. If wew agree for purposes of discussion that the boat is not on plane at 9mph, (and it most likely would not be), and that we have only 500 rpm to "spend" to get the boat from 9 mph to 25, observe what has to happen: We will need to spend at least 100-200 RPM (maybe more) to climb the bow wave and maintain a minimal plane. For purposes of discussion, let's say when we throttle up enough to climb the bow wave we achieve 14 mph. The unspent 300 RPM are going to take this boat from 14 mph to 25? Almost doubling the speed? No, they are not. Chuck, I apologize for confusing you. You're absolutely correct. Numbers should read: 1500 rpm (approx. 6mph): 6.2mpg 2000 rpm (approx. 8mph): 4.5mpg 2500 rpm (approx. 9mph): 3.5mpg 3000 rpm (approx. 16mph): 6.5mpg 3500 rpm (approx. 25mph): 6.2mpg From the graph, it appears that the boat comes on plane at a little bit over 2500rpm. The 500 rpm increase from 1500 to 2000 rpm gives a speed increase of only 2mph. The 500rpm increase from 2000 to 2500 gives only a 1mph speed increase. The 500rpm increase from 2500 to 3000 rpm gives a speed increase of 7mph. The 500 rpm increase from 3000 to 3500 gives a speed increase of 9 mph. As I was stating earlier, the worst efficiency is at the point right before the boat jumps on plane...and then there's a very rapid rise in the boat speed per 100 rpm increase after that. As Wayne B. said earlier, the best mileage would come at 1000 rpm or less (but the boat would be going less than 5 mph). The second best mileage comes at an engine speed on 3000rpm...and a boat speed of 16 mph. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Naw. You might only have to jump the engine speed to 2550 to get up on plane...and your speed might go up 5-7 mph. Once on plane, every 100rpm might increase your speed 2-2.5 mph until you hit 25mph. Reasonable statement, but not consistent with the original example. You're right. See my post with the corrected numbers above. Here they are again: 3000rpm is 16mph and 6.5mpg. 3500rpm is 25mph and 6.2mpg |
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Chuck,
I apologize for confusing you. You're absolutely correct. Good lord! That statement, (to me from NOYB), is a collector's item. I think I'll take it out and have it bronzed. :-) The new numbers make sense. |
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