"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
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Not knowing of a President Idiot, I cannot answer the question.
However, price controls would have the opposite effect of that
intended, they would make gasoline scarce by removing the incentive to
produce more oil.
Nice theory, but the recent price hikes are in no way connected with
"incentives to produce more". You know that.

Indeed. We're being gouged by OPEC and by the Big Oil companies, and
they're laughing with each jingle of the gallon counter at the local
pump.

This is far worse terrorism than Osama and his pals could ever
perpetrate, and we have a POTUS who has neither the brains nor the balls
to see it for what it is and do something about it. But, then, why would
we expect Bush to economically penalize his family and friends in the
oil business, and jeopardize his relationships with the Saudis?

Meanwhile, the simple-minded righties defend "the free market," but
there is no "free market," not for oil. It is a manipulated market.

Perhaps this is exactly what OBL was planning all along. Lure a moron
into a war, knowing full well that it would cause the price of oil to go
through the roof.


I'm not really much of a conspiracy theory maven, but...one of Osama's
stated goals was to bring down the US economy. Well, guess what...OPEC,
which mainly consists of states who have an ax to grind with us, and Big
Oil, which mostly consists of whore and thieves, many of which are
multinational, are sucking this country's economy dry.

But why should we interfere with "the free market," that doesn't really
exist, at least not for oil.

Can you imagine trying to explain to Bush that the prices we're paying for
oil now are helping Osama and friends more than anything he has done to
hurt the terrorists?

D'oh.

About a buck from every fillup goes directly to the Saud family, whose
younger members have alliances that our own intelligence services have
described as "dubious" (to be polite on TV).

Doug Kanter wrote:
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
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Sounds like Doug supports the idea. Robertson said that he thought the
government should assassinate Chaves - didn't say the he, himself,
would have anything to do with it. And I have seen a couple of
articles by Bush-hating attorneys that are trying to twist "threat"
laws and suggest that Roberston should be prosecuted.

Curtis, what do you suppose would happen if you agreed to do some VERY
important work for the Gambino family, and then you decided not to do it?
I'm simply predicting what any sane adult KNOWS will happen.

You did say you would welcome the circumstances. And one might call the
scenerio you envision a fantasy. You think that oil executives would
try to push the president off an oil rig... and then try to say that
you are sane?

Stop trying to defend yourself. I don't take you seriously on this.
But I hardly take Roberston seriously either.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Now, is it a speculative market? Of course, but that's what commodity
markets do - place huge bets. Eventually everything evens out.

When, Tom?

As long as the speculators (the actual traders who process futures
contracts) make commissions no matter who wins or loses, I don't ever think
the situation will change.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Curtis CCR wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
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Sounds like Doug supports the idea. Robertson said that he thought the
government should assassinate Chaves - didn't say the he, himself,
would have anything to do with it. And I have seen a couple of
articles by Bush-hating attorneys that are trying to twist "threat"
laws and suggest that Roberston should be prosecuted.
Curtis, what do you suppose would happen if you agreed to do some VERY
important work for the Gambino family, and then you decided not to do
it?
I'm simply predicting what any sane adult KNOWS will happen.

You did say you would welcome the circumstances. And one might call the
scenerio you envision a fantasy. You think that oil executives would
try to push the president off an oil rig... and then try to say that
you are sane?

Stop trying to defend yourself. I don't take you seriously on this.
But I hardly take Roberston seriously either.



Please...the next thing is that the idiot known as Jim Hertvik will call
the FBI again...

Great. They can listen in on my phonecalls as I try to find a roofer this
week, set up an appointment for the kitten to get her shots, and try and
finish selling one more truck of Joan of Arc beans. Anyone need $16,500.00
worth of kidney beans, 3 kinds available, any mix you want? Delivers end of
September. 1615 cases, 24 15.5 oz cans per case. Makes a great gift for
someone with a garage the size of a 40 ft trailer.

Harry Krause wrote:

How long do you think it will be before President Idiot is forced to
impose price controls on gasoline and diesel?

Any bets as to how long it will take for you to post informative
content instead of always asking asinine questions?


--
I'm smarter, bigger, stronger, and a lot meaner than you are.
You also won't be the first person that I didn't like who I
had to kill. Legally. -- john wesley gilmer III
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john wesley gilmer III is, of course, president of the
Atlantic Beach Vintage Motorcycle Club http://www.ABVMC.com/

Doug Kanter wrote:
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Doug Kanter wrote:

: "Harry Krause" wrote in message
: ...
:
: How long do you think it will be before President Idiot is forced to
: impose price controls on gasoline and diesel?

: I would welcome that, but not for financial reasons. I'm sure that
shortly
: after he suggested or implemented the idea, one of his oily friends
would
: invite him to visit an oil rig in the Gulf, ride in a real live
: hel-i-o-copter (pretending to fly it), and put on a hard hat & pretend
to be
: an oil rig guy. I suspect they'd arrange for him to "slip and fall in
the
: ocean", by accident, of course.

Already being done: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9071642/

Oil runs the gubment though and there's little hope for real relief.

b.


Just saw a news report about a Marathon station in Chicago that's charging
3.69 for regular. That's a 3, not a 2. No typo error. The owners slipped out
the back when the TV crew tried to interview them. This is going to get
ugly.


Just paid $ 1.20 per liter of regular self serve as I topped up a rental
truck.
My second son suckered me into helping him move today.

Doug,
You may find this hard to believe, but the price of fuel makes a major
impact on consumption.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I don't know about you, but if the price was 25 cents a gallon, I wouldn't
buy more gas. Before it went up, I was already adverse to driving more than
necessary.

"Ed" wrote in message
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Excuse me? president Idiot? You are the freeking idiot....the laws of
supply and demand dictate that if we force the price down, the supply
will not be able to keep up with demand.... I'd rather pay $3/gallon and
have gas than pay $2 per gallon and not be able to get it.

There are two solutions... use less or make more.


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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How long do you think it will be before President Idiot is forced to
impose price controls on gasoline and diesel?


I would welcome that, but not for financial reasons. I'm sure that
shortly after he suggested or implemented the idea, one of his oily
friends would invite him to visit an oil rig in the Gulf, ride in a real
live hel-i-o-copter (pretending to fly it), and put on a hard hat &
pretend to be an oil rig guy. I suspect they'd arrange for him to "slip
and fall in the ocean", by accident, of course.

Harry,
Since you have only put about 1 hr. on YoHo in the last 2 years, it probably
won't have a major impact for you. I am curious, is there a medical reason
you don't spend much time boating?

Now, if you actually owned a Lobster Boat, you could buy some less expensive
diesel fuel, but even if you did own the Lobster Boat, you still would not
do much boating.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Dan J.S. wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:

: "Harry Krause" wrote in message
: ...
:
: How long do you think it will be before President Idiot is forced to
: impose price controls on gasoline and diesel?

: I would welcome that, but not for financial reasons. I'm sure that
shortly
: after he suggested or implemented the idea, one of his oily friends
would
: invite him to visit an oil rig in the Gulf, ride in a real live
: hel-i-o-copter (pretending to fly it), and put on a hard hat &
pretend to be
: an oil rig guy. I suspect they'd arrange for him to "slip and fall in
the
: ocean", by accident, of course.

Already being done: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9071642/

Oil runs the gubment though and there's little hope for real relief.

b.
Just saw a news report about a Marathon station in Chicago that's
charging 3.69 for regular. That's a 3, not a 2. No typo error. The
owners slipped out the back when the TV crew tried to interview them.
This is going to get ugly.


I live in Chicago, and have not seen anything around 3.69, but I don't
doubt it... however, check this out

http://www.gaspricewatch.com/new/

Highest gas is in Death Valley, CA at 3.88 a gallon...



$3.21 today at BP Marina in my area.

Back in 1980-83 when I was testing oil wells, many people (similar to
Harry Ks accusation) were accusing the oil companies of price gouging.
The oil companies responded by saying that only 1 in 40 wild cat wells
produced anything and they were called liars. Since I was the guy who
actually determined if the wells could produce, I know they were
telling the truth.
There is no doubt that price controls will result in much less
production of domestic oil due to shutting down stripper wells thus
driving us to use more foreign oil. It is easier and more PC for Harry
and Doug to make silly arguments about price gouging than to really
look into the situation. Price controls would send more money to Saudi
by making us use more foreign oil thus financing terror. If you want to
see the Saudis get shafted, pray for a moderate increase in oil price.

***WHOSE*** consumption? It's too much of a generalization.

- The Rochester-Toronto ferry announced that they'd cut back trips after
labor day due to fuel costs.
- You may go driving around for absolutely no reason other than to just
drive around. Or not.
- You may cancel a 5 hour trip if the cost of gas goes too high. Or not.
- I might, or might not.

Who are you talking about?

"Starbucks" wrote in message
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Doug,
You may find this hard to believe, but the price of fuel makes a major
impact on consumption.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
I don't know about you, but if the price was 25 cents a gallon, I wouldn't
buy more gas. Before it went up, I was already adverse to driving more
than necessary.

"Ed" wrote in message
...
Excuse me? president Idiot? You are the freeking idiot....the laws of
supply and demand dictate that if we force the price down, the supply
will not be able to keep up with demand.... I'd rather pay $3/gallon and
have gas than pay $2 per gallon and not be able to get it.

There are two solutions... use less or make more.


Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

How long do you think it will be before President Idiot is forced to
impose price controls on gasoline and diesel?


I would welcome that, but not for financial reasons. I'm sure that
shortly after he suggested or implemented the idea, one of his oily
friends would invite him to visit an oil rig in the Gulf, ride in a
real live hel-i-o-copter (pretending to fly it), and put on a hard hat
& pretend to be an oil rig guy. I suspect they'd arrange for him to
"slip and fall in the ocean", by accident, of course.