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Looting in Gulf States
Did you see the pictures on the news of the looters after the
storm?? Did you see what was missing??? EDUCATED WHITE PEOPLE. Yes, I did not see any white looters. How big of a piece of **** does a person have to be to loot others down on their luck? Freedom! Yes indeed, it seems criminals have all kinds of freedom now. Look at the ******* that serially killed 11 people. He is now sentenced to life in prison. Where can I sign up so that not one penny of my money goes to provide heat or light to a serial killer. I WANT THAT FREEDOM! Well, let's all go back to sitting on our asses now, and watch as the looters of the gulf states become tomorrows looters of the golf states. I bet Darwin comes back before Christ does! If Christ does come back I think he will condem the western world on general principals. Oh yes, if your boat has been struck by looters (missing your radar display, fish finder, vhf radio, etc.) look for your missing items on Ebay. You will know it's yours because the add says "Does not include any cables or antenna". O.K., I'll crawl back under my rock now. You folks know I am not from here, but the upside is I served 12 years in your Navy so I am at least patriotic and proud to be here. |
Gudmundur wrote:
: Did you see the pictures on the news of the looters after the : storm?? : Did you see what was missing??? EDUCATED WHITE PEOPLE. : Yes, I did not see any white looters. How big of a piece of **** does : a person have to be to loot others down on their luck? Next, they'll complain because no white people were being arrested. You know, the old "discrimination" chant. b. |
If people need food and water, I have no problem with them getting it.
In the south, particularly in New Orleans, the poor are mostly black so obviously they couldnt evacuate so they need food and water. Those who took color Tvs and microwaves will find its a long time before they can ever use em. |
wrote in message roups.com... Gudmundur wrote: : Did you see the pictures on the news of the looters after the : storm?? : Did you see what was missing??? EDUCATED WHITE PEOPLE. : Yes, I did not see any white looters. How big of a piece of **** does : a person have to be to loot others down on their luck? Next, they'll complain because no white people were being arrested. You know, the old "discrimination" chant. b. And what does the typical liebral have to say about it............well, it is disgusting ************************************************** ******************* manic expression: 1.) Getting necessities, or very near necessities (as in having something to wipe their asses with). This is more than justified. 2.) Left out in the could by the rich and the government, and now they are taking what they need and what they want, something that is routinely denied to them on a regular basis. If they take food, water, alcohol (a valuable medical asset, by the way), there is NO PROBLEM with that. If they take toilet paper, there is NO PROBLEM with that. Any person with half a heart will agree with me on those points. However, if they take TV's, computers, shoes and the like, that is NOT unreasonable, as they are forced through lack of money and lack of other people's empathy to be subjected to the brutality of the storm, they are completely within their rights to take this opportunity to help themselves and their families. That is my opinion, and I believe that anyone with a sense of real justice will agree with me on those points. Keep in mind that no one reached out a helping hand to those who could not leave before the storm, and then those who are subjected to it are expected to simply "take it", and leave the fortunate people's possessions alone? Please! Try not to be judgmental of disaster-survivors while you sit in safety William Bloode: If they are stealing food and water, do it without shame. If they are stealing a bit of alcohol, more power too them. After the hell they have been and are still going through they might need a drink. If they might take a few things other from the store thats o.k. with me too. The poor and needy were abandoned to this hell, when those in charge should have done everything available to get them to safety. So do what it takes to make ya feel better, as long as it does not physically harm anyone else. And for those who don't have a clue. Find a Red Cross, or whatever. I am quite sure in this mess they have no where near the supplies to fulfill needs. People should do what it takes to survive. I know if it was me and i was in that situation of desperation and had to help my family. I would not have a problem with a bit of violence if thats what it took to provide. Thtwudbeme: I seriously doubt one poster on DU personally knows any of the looters in the places hit by Katrina, or their reasons for looting. I am sure there are SOME opportunistic people in these places who are taking big buck stuff...but, I am just as sure that most of the people are trying to get DINNER. I hate that this storm has offended so many people's delicate sensibilities on DU. Manners don't keep your stomach full, and morals and ethics don't taste all that great. Stuff the looting posts; there are people dying right now. Stephanie Lex: I'd rather people take what they need in terms of first aid supplies and food and water, EVEN IF that means that some other people are taking TVs. The good outweighs the bad in the long term, imho. IanDB1: I suppose they could Buy Blue and Loot Red? I don't blame them. They were abandoned before the storm. They were abandoned during the storm. Why should they believe that they won't be abandoned AFTER the storm? They'd be foolish to assume that they'll be given all the food and water they need, or that the government and insurance companies will put their lives back together. And the bankruptcy courts sure won't help them. Pacifist Patriot: You know. I really don't care if someone is helping himself to jeans. I don't condone senseless looting nor do I find it reasonable. But there is nothing reasonable about what is happening in that area. We can't expect normal people to behave rationally. I would suspect the "worst" of the looters take advantage of any possible situation, not just catastrophes. As for "looting" grocery stores and drug stores for food, water, diapers, etc....I hope it helps these poor individuals survive. Last year when I stocked up for Frances and Jeanne I made sure I had plenty of bottled water, diapers and canned food. But what if I returned to find those supplies buried under twenty feet of water and no access to my money? I'd have fed and cared for my family any way I could and faced the consequences later. Have mercy and compassion on those less fortunate than us. Yes, even the people helping themselves to soggy jeans and water-logged CD players. They are still in hell. Sparkman: LOOT for survival....not a problem. Stealing to feed children's no crime. AND you can't carry on raising kids and living if you don't have STUFF. So count me a looter supporter, put me on the jury, INNOCENT your honor!! |
Gudmundur wrote: Did you see the pictures on the news of the looters after the storm?? Did you see what was missing??? EDUCATED WHITE PEOPLE. Yes, I did not see any white looters. How big of a piece of **** does a person have to be to loot others down on their luck? Freedom! Yes indeed, it seems criminals have all kinds of freedom now. Look at the ******* that serially killed 11 people. He is now sentenced to life in prison. Where can I sign up so that not one penny of my money goes to provide heat or light to a serial killer. I WANT THAT FREEDOM! Well, let's all go back to sitting on our asses now, and watch as the looters of the gulf states become tomorrows looters of the golf states. I bet Darwin comes back before Christ does! If Christ does come back I think he will condem the western world on general principals. Oh yes, if your boat has been struck by looters (missing your radar display, fish finder, vhf radio, etc.) look for your missing items on Ebay. You will know it's yours because the add says "Does not include any cables or antenna". What the hell would someone in New Orleans (or other flooded area where there is no help available to get out) want to take a radar set? Most of these people are looking for food, water and other basic necesseties of life. I had the typical initial reaction to the reports of looting. But it was very initial - it didn't take long to figure out what most of the looters are really doing. If I was stranded and had lost everything, I would wade through a flooded WalMart to get food and water for my wife and kid. Hell, I would do what I could for my neighbors too. Even if it meant I had to go to jail later. If I had managed to get out, I'd consider myself lucky. If my neighbors or anyone else was stranded in a flooded hell - I don't think I would blame them for breaking into my house and "looting" my fridge, freezer and pantry. I wouldn't feel the same way about someone swimming in to steal my TV, but I don't that's what we're seeing in most cases. O.K., I'll crawl back under my rock now. You folks know I am not from here, but the upside is I served 12 years in your Navy so I am at least patriotic and proud to be here. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: Gudmundur wrote: : Did you see the pictures on the news of the looters after the : storm?? : Did you see what was missing??? EDUCATED WHITE PEOPLE. : Yes, I did not see any white looters. How big of a piece of **** does : a person have to be to loot others down on their luck? Next, they'll complain because no white people were being arrested. You know, the old "discrimination" chant. b. CNN has shown video of "white looters," and there have been reports of "police" looters. Desperate people sometimes have to take drastic actions. Does your reference to police looters have anything to do with stealing stereos and televisions? I'll bet the "police looting" that you're referring to is actually a function of gathering supplies to enable the emergency response to continue, not so they can perform home or pocket improvements. |
wrote in message oups.com... If people need food and water, I have no problem with them getting it. In the south, particularly in New Orleans, the poor are mostly black so obviously they couldnt evacuate so they need food and water. Those who took color Tvs and microwaves will find its a long time before they can ever use em. Food and water, medicine and childcare supplies. Reasonable. Televisions etc.? Scum. What is more frightening is that the scum have walked off with every imaginable weapon sold in that city. If things don't improve rapidly for everyone, people are going to start getting killed over a bottle of water or a loaf of bread. And then when things do come under control, the scum will continue to terrorize an economically devastated city long after the water recedes. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bryan wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: Gudmundur wrote: : Did you see the pictures on the news of the looters after the : storm?? : Did you see what was missing??? EDUCATED WHITE PEOPLE. : Yes, I did not see any white looters. How big of a piece of **** does : a person have to be to loot others down on their luck? Next, they'll complain because no white people were being arrested. You know, the old "discrimination" chant. b. CNN has shown video of "white looters," and there have been reports of "police" looters. Desperate people sometimes have to take drastic actions. Does your reference to police looters have anything to do with stealing stereos and televisions? I'll bet the "police looting" that you're referring to is actually a function of gathering supplies to enable the emergency response to continue, not so they can perform home or pocket improvements. You'd lose your bet. I guess I've lived a sheltered life surrounded by people I trust with my life and the lives of my family. It's apparent I'm biased because of it. |
Curtis CCR wrote:
If I had managed to get out, I'd consider myself lucky. If my neighbors or anyone else was stranded in a flooded hell - I don't think I would blame them for breaking into my house and "looting" my fridge, freezer and pantry. I wouldn't feel the same way about someone swimming in to steal my TV, but I don't that's what we're seeing in most cases. What if you knew that TV would finance their ability to buy food or safety in the near future? I seriously doubt that these people have the type of lives that would allow them to take that tv and xbox back home, plop down on the couch, and enjoy it for very long. They're probably going to be (or hoping to be) selling it to the next guy in order to get what they need to survive soon enough. |
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:26:51 +0000, Bryan wrote:
You'd lose your bet. I guess I've lived a sheltered life surrounded by people I trust with my life and the lives of my family. It's apparent I'm biased because of it. New Orleans has been having quite a few police corruption scandals, of late. http://www.hrw.org/reports98/police/uspo92.htm |
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:13:27 GMT, "Bryan" wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... wrote: Gudmundur wrote: : Did you see the pictures on the news of the looters after the : storm?? : Did you see what was missing??? EDUCATED WHITE PEOPLE. : Yes, I did not see any white looters. How big of a piece of **** does : a person have to be to loot others down on their luck? Next, they'll complain because no white people were being arrested. You know, the old "discrimination" chant. b. CNN has shown video of "white looters," and there have been reports of "police" looters. Desperate people sometimes have to take drastic actions. Does your reference to police looters have anything to do with stealing stereos and televisions? I'll bet the "police looting" that you're referring to is actually a function of gathering supplies to enable the emergency response to continue, not so they can perform home or pocket improvements. Soon they'll justify the gun stealing as being done for self protection from the police and National Guard sent in by the Bush administration. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
PocoLoco wrote:
Soon they'll justify the gun stealing as being done for self protection from the police and National Guard sent in by the Bush administration. Pretty soon we'll get an announcement from Vice President Cheney, stating that the insurgency in Louisiana is on it's last legs. DSK |
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:17:34 GMT, "Bryan"
wrote: wrote in message roups.com... If people need food and water, I have no problem with them getting it. In the south, particularly in New Orleans, the poor are mostly black so obviously they couldnt evacuate so they need food and water. Those who took color Tvs and microwaves will find its a long time before they can ever use em. Food and water, medicine and childcare supplies. Reasonable. Televisions etc.? Scum. What is more frightening is that the scum have walked off with every imaginable weapon sold in that city. If things don't improve rapidly for everyone, people are going to start getting killed over a bottle of water or a loaf of bread. And then when things do come under control, the scum will continue to terrorize an economically devastated city long after the water recedes. I will bet there isn't a box of Oxycotin left in any drugstore in any flooded section of New Orleans. Same for any other saleable drug. I imagine there isn't much left of cold medicines that contain the ingredient used for making meth either. I'll go further and bet that beer, wine and whiskey stocks were all looted and gone before bread, veggies and basic foodstuffs, too. |
Arcadefreaque wrote:
: Curtis CCR wrote: : If I had managed to get out, I'd consider myself lucky. If my : neighbors or anyone else was stranded in a flooded hell - I don't think : I would blame them for breaking into my house and "looting" my fridge, : freezer and pantry. I wouldn't feel the same way about someone : swimming in to steal my TV, but I don't that's what we're seeing in : most cases. : : What if you knew that TV would finance their ability to buy food or : safety in the near future? I seriously doubt that these people have the : type of lives that would allow them to take that tv and xbox back home, : plop down on the couch, and enjoy it for very long. They're probably : going to be (or hoping to be) selling it to the next guy in order to : get what they need to survive soon enough. "Think of the children". See: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050830/...atrina_looting For a perfect example. Here's another: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in808193.shtml Yup. They're just making sure they have somethin' to drink because the water supply is a bit contaminated. b. |
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:42:00 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:17:34 GMT, "Bryan" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... If people need food and water, I have no problem with them getting it. In the south, particularly in New Orleans, the poor are mostly black so obviously they couldnt evacuate so they need food and water. Those who took color Tvs and microwaves will find its a long time before they can ever use em. Food and water, medicine and childcare supplies. Reasonable. Televisions etc.? Scum. What is more frightening is that the scum have walked off with every imaginable weapon sold in that city. If things don't improve rapidly for everyone, people are going to start getting killed over a bottle of water or a loaf of bread. And then when things do come under control, the scum will continue to terrorize an economically devastated city long after the water recedes. I will bet there isn't a box of Oxycotin left in any drugstore in any flooded section of New Orleans. Same for any other saleable drug. I imagine there isn't much left of cold medicines that contain the ingredient used for making meth either. I'll go further and bet that beer, wine and whiskey stocks were all looted and gone before bread, veggies and basic foodstuffs, too. On one of the stations they showed looters in a grocery store filling bags with various items. They panned across the marked 'liquor' section. Every shelf was *completely) empty! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Arcadefreaque wrote: Curtis CCR wrote: If I had managed to get out, I'd consider myself lucky. If my neighbors or anyone else was stranded in a flooded hell - I don't think I would blame them for breaking into my house and "looting" my fridge, freezer and pantry. I wouldn't feel the same way about someone swimming in to steal my TV, but I don't that's what we're seeing in most cases. What if you knew that TV would finance their ability to buy food or safety in the near future? I seriously doubt that these people have the type of lives that would allow them to take that tv and xbox back home, plop down on the couch, and enjoy it for very long. They're probably going to be (or hoping to be) selling it to the next guy in order to get what they need to survive soon enough. You think there is much of a market for stolen TVs in New Orleans? You paint an interesting picture, though I doubt it is realistic. |
Harry Krause wrote: Bryan wrote: CNN has shown video of "white looters," and there have been reports of "police" looters. Desperate people sometimes have to take drastic actions. Does your reference to police looters have anything to do with stealing stereos and televisions? I'll bet the "police looting" that you're referring to is actually a function of gathering supplies to enable the emergency response to continue, not so they can perform home or pocket improvements. You'd lose your bet. I think you're right, Harry. But I am started to get disheartened the more I watch the news. I feel for the people that really need things and have to resort to looting... in fact I would have a hard time calling it looting in some cases. I was really hoping that most of these people were taking what they needed. I think it's turning out to be that the majority are just thieves. |
Curtis CCR wrote:
..... I feel for the people that really need things and have to resort to looting... Anyone with a shred of human decency would. ... in fact I would have a hard time calling it looting in some cases. Well, there have been times & places, in some societies, where mothers were put to death for stealing food for their children. IMHO the mask has really come off 'compassionate conservatism' this time, with President Bush promising death to all looters and the Bush-Cheney cheerleaders high-fiving each others stories'bout how dem pore ******s is stealin all de likker. The only thing that's lacking is an announcement from Vice President Cheney that the insurgency in New Orleans is on it's last legs. I was really hoping that most of these people were taking what they needed. I think it's turning out to be that the majority are just thieves. I doubt that, remember that only the most sensationalistic... and in most cases, the most negative... incidents make the news. I'm not surprised that the gun stores were looted, but there are a lot of criminals in the mix. That doesn't make every citizen of New Orleans who is stuck there a criminal who shoots at ambulances. When people start robbing museums, or ripping down power line faster than reconstruction crews can put them up, so they can sell the copper on the black market... *then* you can shake your head and say how bad it is! Regards Doug King |
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:40:54 -0400, DSK wrote:
Curtis CCR wrote: ..... I feel for the people that really need things and have to resort to looting... Anyone with a shred of human decency would. ... in fact I would have a hard time calling it looting in some cases. Well, there have been times & places, in some societies, where mothers were put to death for stealing food for their children. IMHO the mask has really come off 'compassionate conservatism' this time, with President Bush promising death to all looters and the Bush-Cheney cheerleaders high-fiving each others stories'bout how dem pore ******s is stealin all de likker. The only thing that's lacking is an announcement from Vice President Cheney that the insurgency in New Orleans is on it's last legs. I was really hoping that most of these people were taking what they needed. I think it's turning out to be that the majority are just thieves. I doubt that, remember that only the most sensationalistic... and in most cases, the most negative... incidents make the news. I'm not surprised that the gun stores were looted, but there are a lot of criminals in the mix. That doesn't make every citizen of New Orleans who is stuck there a criminal who shoots at ambulances. When people start robbing museums, or ripping down power line faster than reconstruction crews can put them up, so they can sell the copper on the black market... *then* you can shake your head and say how bad it is! Regards Doug King You and Harry belong in the same room. Sick. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Around 9/1/2005 12:42 PM, Dave Hall wrote:
I will bet there isn't a box of Oxycotin left in any drugstore in any flooded section of New Orleans. I didn't know Limbaugh was in town... rimshot -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
ripping down power line faster
than reconstruction crews can put them up, so they can sell the copper wrote: Bull****, overhead lines are AA8000 aluminum/steel alloy, there isn't any copper in them. Excuse me, ripping down power lines so they can sell the AA8000 aluminum/steel alloy DSK |
Excuse me, ripping down power lines so they can sell the AA8000
aluminum/steel alloy wrote: It has no particular scrap value. "Aluminum" recyclers don't want it. They will if power companies are buying it up by the trainload to replace downed power lines. Is it really this difficult for you to get a point? Would a catcher's mitt help? DSK |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 12:35:56 -0400, DSK wrote:
wrote: If there was actually someone stealing wire off their poles thinking they could sell it, the worst thing the POCO could do is provide that market. Agreed, but sometimes "the worst thing" is exactly what happens, often out of expediency. And it's not just power lines, it's every kind of part used in our infrastructure that could torn out and resold. That is exactly what has happened in quite a few places, so far it hasn't happened in Katrina's wake. The mere fact that this thread started by talking about "copper" tells me it is a hoax. Hoax? I was making a point about how the looting was not quite as bad as all the shoot-on-sight compassionate conservatives were saying. DSK How often must one get shot at before one shoots back, Doug? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 12:35:56 -0400, DSK wrote: Hoax? I was making a point about how the looting was not quite as bad as all the shoot-on-sight compassionate conservatives were saying. Finally - a kill 'em all thread!! Whoo Hoo!!! Easy Tom...you'll get Nuclear NOYB going! |
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:36:48 GMT, WaIIy wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 12:35:56 -0400, DSK wrote: wrote: If there was actually someone stealing wire off their poles thinking they could sell it, the worst thing the POCO could do is provide that market. Agreed, but sometimes "the worst thing" is exactly what happens, often out of expediency. And it's not just power lines, it's every kind of part used in our infrastructure that could torn out and resold. That is exactly what has happened in quite a few places, so far it hasn't happened in Katrina's wake. The mere fact that this thread started by talking about "copper" tells me it is a hoax. Hoax? I was making a point about how the looting was not quite as bad as all the shoot-on-sight compassionate conservatives were saying. DSK How the hell would you know ? He spent some time as a nurse getting shot at while attending the sick in a hospital. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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