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"Gorf" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: This "Able Danger" story is growing legs, and even the news media is starting to ask questions again as to why so many important items were left out the 9/11 report. From the Washington Times: Review finds no pre-9/11 Atta file By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES August 23, 2005 A Pentagon investigation has found no evidence Wow! What did they spend, a whole couple of days looking? I'd imagine that Shaffer and Phillpott have some pretty damning evidence tucked away, or they wouldn't have come forward. In fact, Shaffer told Donny Deutsch on The Big Idea last night that more and more documents will be coming forth over the next several weeks. The Pentagon jumped the gun on their statement...which is precisely why Sen. Weldon sent them this email soon after DiRita spoke: "Three people associated with Able Danger have gone on the record to certify that it was a program tasked with mapping Al-Qaeda worldwide - its work included the linkages which identified Mohammad Atta. That finding should not be taken lightly, and neither should the credibility of the three people who have bravely gone on the record. It is important that the American people get the full story of Able Danger. A search for the relevant data and products from this program needs to be conducted, and if nothing can be found, we need to find out what happened to this information. The Pentagon should continue interviewing people with knowledge of the Able Danger program, and encourage those with information to come forward without fear of reprisal. I strongly caution the Pentagon against issuing any further statements without a full accounting of the facts. Failure to do so would reflect poorly upon the investigation and might give the unfortunate impression that its results are predetermined." |
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:49:51 -0400, thunder
wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:01:05 +0000, NOYB wrote: Then why the huge efflux of Cuban refuges under Castro? Like Elian's father? Not all Cubans are unhappy with life under Castro, all Cuban refugees are. Not to defend Castro, the Cuban people have an unacceptable limit to their freedoms, but why are Cubans automatically political refugees, when Haitians, Mexicans, and other Latinos aren't? Ahem. What I am about to say is not related to any trips I personally have made into Cuba in a kinda-sort-of clandestine fashion on sportfishing trips. I repeat I have never, ever, bribed, paid a fee or exchanged products to any Cuban coast patrol for clandestine entry into Cuba for any reason - including sportfishing. Got it? However, according to somebody who I know VERY well, it's a pretty sad situation in Cuba. The only reason the government still exists is because it's basically a police state being propped up by sympathetic governments who want access to cheap sugar and cigars. The fishing though is spectacular. :) Later, Tom Email decoder: Remove onetwothree, replace with info, Remove four, replace with swsports, Remove com, replace with org. |
"P. Fritz" wrote in message ... What percentage of mexicans, haitiand, dominicans etc are thrown in prison when returned for entering this country illegally? And cubans? It is not illegal for a Cuban to leave their country unless they are in the military or medical field. They must do their service time first. It is, however, very expensive for an airplane ticket out of Cuba for a lot of the people. There are some Cubans that do travel, for vacations, to Costa Rica, Peru, Spain and even to Canada. A lot of these travelers have had some money sent to them by their friends or family. My brother met a Cuban university professor who has travelled to Canada for a vacation. His flight was paid for by a university here in Canada. Also there are many of the sales managers, for the Cuban resorts, come to Canada to give sales pitches to Travel Agents in this country. Their flights are paid for by the Cuban Government and the resorts Jim |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Gorf" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: This "Able Danger" story is growing legs, and even the news media is starting to ask questions again as to why so many important items were left out the 9/11 report. From the Washington Times: Review finds no pre-9/11 Atta file By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES August 23, 2005 A Pentagon investigation has found no evidence Wow! What did they spend, a whole couple of days looking? \\\ poor nobby...another of his pet theories bites the bullet. It hasn't bit anything yet. This investigation is just beginning. |
From: Harry Krause
Newsgroups: rec.boats Subject: Chavez Offers Cheap Gas to Poor Americans Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: Harry Krause wrote: Bush is an utter, complete failure, a man entirely out of touch with reality. He's flushing this country down the toilet. And you're probably sharing the same methamphetamine as your butt-buddy, john weasely gilmer III, because you're always talking out your ass... although with you two, it's quite difficult to tell which end is up. Here's only a partial list of aliases used by herr e. kkkrause's identical twin brother: -------------------------- With the evidence of your dozens of aliases included below, Juan Valdez is probably you failing to play both sides of a story... AGAIN. ROLF!! Who's ROLF? Grow up Karen. Grow the hell up. That older woman really put a whammy on you, huh? I bet you have a tattoo of her surrounded by the words: "The One That Got Away"!! Immediately below are sets of message headers each with a different alias used by john weasely gilmer III via the two posting hosts: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 Below that is the inclusion of a partial list of the dozens of aliases he has been known to use. So, who's the TROLL, gilwad? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------------------------- From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: alt.obituaries,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Hey! Dumb Cmelak! Date: 23 Aug 2005 19:32:21 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: Billy's Daddy Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.OJ-simpson Subject: Junk Motorcycle Still For Sale Date: 22 Aug 2005 20:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Jose" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 13 Aug 2005 07:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Smelly Billy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: You pal Cmelak/Hoodoo is trolling other newsgroup again ... Date: 7 Aug 2005 19:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 =============================================== =============================================== From: "PirateJohn" Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: Another (dead soldier from Iraq War) family blasts Bush Date: 17 Aug 2005 14:50:50 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ----------- From: "Juan" Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.obituaries,fl.general ,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: The Gaspar/Anderson obsession Date: 1 Aug 2005 08:25:30 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 God, you trolls and your multiple personalities are so ****ing naive. ---------------------------------------- From: "Billy's Daddy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Report Abuse Date: 17 Aug 2005 10:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ------------------------------------------- From: "Guy Good" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 12 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ========================================= ========================================= Known and verified aliases: OSPAM Bill Cmelak loves his Hoodoo "Bill Cmelak" "Smelly Billy" -- I'm smarter, bigger, stronger, and a lot meaner than you are. You also won't be the first person that I didn't like who I had to kill. Legally. -- john wesley gilmer III |
Harry,
Wrong the first time. I'm not upset at all. I'm simply not disposed to do anything to further the aims of countries led by crackpots unfriendly to my country. I love my country far to much to provide income to those blatently unfriendly to it. I mean give me a break.. Chavez says DEA agents in Venezuela are spies. Dumb as CIA operators often seem to be DEA Agents can't hit their ass with both hands... much less spy. Butch "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Butch Davis wrote: Harry, Thanks for the info. Wish I'd known about CITGO before so I could have avoided spending any $$ there. But now I know and I will never buy there again. Not that I can remember the last time I bought anything there. Butch "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... This piece really tickles my fancy: Chavez offers cheap gas to poor in U.S. HAVANA, Cuba (Reuters) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap supplies of gasoline. "We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of a visit to Communist-run Cuba. Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which has 14,000 gas stations in the United States. The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America. Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. ***Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.*** Venezuela supplies Cuba with generously financed oil and plans to help Caribbean nations foot their oil bills. Chavez, in Cuba to attend the graduation of Cuban-trained doctors from 28 countries, was seen off at the airport by Cuban President Fidel Castro. Washington has accused the two leaders of being a destabilizing influence in South America. Chavez and Castro offered to give poor Americans free health care and train doctors free of charge. - - - - Cheap gas from Venezuela. cheap prescriptions from Canada, free health care from Cuba... Yeah, we're sure doing well under the Bush misAdministraiton. Let me guess. You are upset because Venezeula says it can sell gasoline in the USA for half the price it is currently being sold for... |
Doug,
Please see my previous reply to Harry, same subject. Butch "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... Why would you choose not to buy from Citgo? "Butch Davis" wrote in message nk.net... Harry, Thanks for the info. Wish I'd known about CITGO before so I could have avoided spending any $$ there. But now I know and I will never buy there again. Not that I can remember the last time I bought anything there. Butch "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... This piece really tickles my fancy: Chavez offers cheap gas to poor in U.S. HAVANA, Cuba (Reuters) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap supplies of gasoline. "We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of a visit to Communist-run Cuba. Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which has 14,000 gas stations in the United States. The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America. Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. ***Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.*** Venezuela supplies Cuba with generously financed oil and plans to help Caribbean nations foot their oil bills. Chavez, in Cuba to attend the graduation of Cuban-trained doctors from 28 countries, was seen off at the airport by Cuban President Fidel Castro. Washington has accused the two leaders of being a destabilizing influence in South America. Chavez and Castro offered to give poor Americans free health care and train doctors free of charge. - - - - Cheap gas from Venezuela. cheap prescriptions from Canada, free health care from Cuba... Yeah, we're sure doing well under the Bush misAdministraiton. |
Harry,
Wrong the second time. Butch "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Doug Kanter wrote: Why would you choose not to buy from Citgo? "Butch Davis" wrote in message nk.net... Harry, Thanks for the info. Wish I'd known about CITGO before so I could have avoided spending any $$ there. But now I know and I will never buy there again. Not that I can remember the last time I bought anything there. Butch "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... This piece really tickles my fancy: Chavez offers cheap gas to poor in U.S. HAVANA, Cuba (Reuters) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap supplies of gasoline. "We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of a visit to Communist-run Cuba. Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which has 14,000 gas stations in the United States. The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America. Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. ***Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.*** Venezuela supplies Cuba with generously financed oil and plans to help Caribbean nations foot their oil bills. Chavez, in Cuba to attend the graduation of Cuban-trained doctors from 28 countries, was seen off at the airport by Cuban President Fidel Castro. Washington has accused the two leaders of being a destabilizing influence in South America. Chavez and Castro offered to give poor Americans free health care and train doctors free of charge. - - - - Cheap gas from Venezuela. cheap prescriptions from Canada, free health care from Cuba... Yeah, we're sure doing well under the Bush misAdministraiton. Because Chavez thinks Bush is a criminal, of course. |
From: Harry Krause
Newsgroups: rec.boats Subject: Chavez Offers Cheap Gas to Poor Americans Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:59:39 -0400 Message-ID: Harry Krause wrote: Yeah, we'll be in terrific shape when Bush's term ends. We should wait until then for the Bush cancer to remove itself from our body politic. When are you going to remove yourself from the human race? As soon as you do, the rest of us may finally say one good thing about you. -- I'm smarter, bigger, stronger, and a lot meaner than you are. You also won't be the first person that I didn't like who I had to kill. Legally. -- john wesley gilmer III |
"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... What percentage of mexicans, haitiand, dominicans etc are thrown in prison when returned for entering this country illegally? And cubans? It is not illegal for a Cuban to leave their country unless they are in the military or medical field. They must do their service time first. It is, however, very expensive for an airplane ticket out of Cuba for a lot of the people. There are some Cubans that do travel, for vacations, to Costa Rica, Peru, Spain and even to Canada. A lot of these travelers have had some money sent to them by their friends or family. My brother met a Cuban university professor who has travelled to Canada for a vacation. His flight was paid for by a university here in Canada. Also there are many of the sales managers, for the Cuban resorts, come to Canada to give sales pitches to Travel Agents in this country. Their flights are paid for by the Cuban Government and the resorts You have highlighted the problem very well. You can control people on an island by making it very costly to leave that island. |
"Chris" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Chris" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... Clinton officials spent 7 years in office trying to make it appear as if terrorist attacks within our borders were not state-sponsored. If this is the case, why has it taken so long to figure it out, and release the information? Because Goss just took the reigns a couple of months ago. And who has been the President up until, as well as beyond that time? Have you ever worked in a beauracracy? I didn't think so! |
You should try hard to keep Harry over there, wherever that is!
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:52:25 -0500, Hoodoo wrote: From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: rec.boats Subject: Chavez Offers Cheap Gas to Poor Americans Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: Harry Krause wrote: Bush is an utter, complete failure, a man entirely out of touch with reality. He's flushing this country down the toilet. And you're probably sharing the same methamphetamine as your butt-buddy, john weasely gilmer III, because you're always talking out your ass... although with you two, it's quite difficult to tell which end is up. Here's only a partial list of aliases used by herr e. kkkrause's identical twin brother: -------------------------- With the evidence of your dozens of aliases included below, Juan Valdez is probably you failing to play both sides of a story... AGAIN. ROLF!! Who's ROLF? Grow up Karen. Grow the hell up. That older woman really put a whammy on you, huh? I bet you have a tattoo of her surrounded by the words: "The One That Got Away"!! Immediately below are sets of message headers each with a different alias used by john weasely gilmer III via the two posting hosts: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 Below that is the inclusion of a partial list of the dozens of aliases he has been known to use. So, who's the TROLL, gilwad? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------------------------- From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: alt.obituaries,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Hey! Dumb Cmelak! Date: 23 Aug 2005 19:32:21 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: Billy's Daddy Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.OJ-simpson Subject: Junk Motorcycle Still For Sale Date: 22 Aug 2005 20:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Jose" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 13 Aug 2005 07:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Smelly Billy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: You pal Cmelak/Hoodoo is trolling other newsgroup again ... Date: 7 Aug 2005 19:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 =============================================== =============================================== From: "PirateJohn" Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: Another (dead soldier from Iraq War) family blasts Bush Date: 17 Aug 2005 14:50:50 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ----------- From: "Juan" Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.obituaries,fl.genera l,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: The Gaspar/Anderson obsession Date: 1 Aug 2005 08:25:30 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 God, you trolls and your multiple personalities are so ****ing naive. ---------------------------------------- From: "Billy's Daddy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Report Abuse Date: 17 Aug 2005 10:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ------------------------------------------- From: "Guy Good" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 12 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ========================================= ========================================= Known and verified aliases: Bill Cmelak loves his Hoodoo "Bill Cmelak" "Smelly Billy" -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
Harry,
You do seem to focus on homosexual fantasies, is there a reason for that? "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... PocoLoco wrote: You should try hard to keep Harry over there, wherever that is! On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:52:25 -0500, Hoodoo wrote: From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: rec.boats Subject: Chavez Offers Cheap Gas to Poor Americans Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: Harry Krause wrote: Bush is an utter, complete failure, a man entirely out of touch with reality. He's flushing this country down the toilet. And you're probably sharing the same methamphetamine as your butt-buddy, john weasely gilmer III, because you're always talking out your ass... although with you two, it's quite difficult to tell which end is up. Here's only a partial list of aliases used by herr e. kkkrause's identical twin brother: -------------------------- With the evidence of your dozens of aliases included below, Juan Valdez is probably you failing to play both sides of a story... AGAIN. ROLF!! Who's ROLF? Grow up Karen. Grow the hell up. That older woman really put a whammy on you, huh? I bet you have a tattoo of her surrounded by the words: "The One That Got Away"!! Immediately below are sets of message headers each with a different alias used by john weasely gilmer III via the two posting hosts: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 Below that is the inclusion of a partial list of the dozens of aliases he has been known to use. So, who's the TROLL, gilwad? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------------------------- From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: alt.obituaries,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Hey! Dumb Cmelak! Date: 23 Aug 2005 19:32:21 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: Billy's Daddy Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.OJ-simpson Subject: Junk Motorcycle Still For Sale Date: 22 Aug 2005 20:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Jose" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 13 Aug 2005 07:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Smelly Billy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: You pal Cmelak/Hoodoo is trolling other newsgroup again ... Date: 7 Aug 2005 19:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 =============================================== =============================================== From: "PirateJohn" Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: Another (dead soldier from Iraq War) family blasts Bush Date: 17 Aug 2005 14:50:50 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ----------- From: "Juan" Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.obituaries,fl.general ,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: The Gaspar/Anderson obsession Date: 1 Aug 2005 08:25:30 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 God, you trolls and your multiple personalities are so ****ing naive. ---------------------------------------- From: "Billy's Daddy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Report Abuse Date: 17 Aug 2005 10:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ------------------------------------------- From: "Guy Good" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 12 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ========================================= ========================================= Known and verified aliases: OSPAM Bill Cmelak loves his Hoodoo "Bill Cmelak" "Smelly Billy" Yup...newsgroup slime sticks together. You and Hoodoo are the pair, Herring, and if Smithers joins in, you can have quite the menage. |
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Gorf" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: This "Able Danger" story is growing legs, and even the news media is starting to ask questions again as to why so many important items were left out the 9/11 report. From the Washington Times: Review finds no pre-9/11 Atta file By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES August 23, 2005 A Pentagon investigation has found no evidence Wow! What did they spend, a whole couple of days looking? \\\ poor nobby...another of his pet theories bites the bullet. It hasn't bit anything yet. This investigation is just beginning. Can't say as I know where it will go. The investigation into the whitehouse treason of outing a CIA agenmt is still in the works also, but you don't seem to hear a lot about it right now and this has been expanded into Bush lying to get us into Iraq. Only time will tell - and maybe the elections in 2006.... |
As you are concerned about posts being properly identified as OT when they
are not boating related I have done that for you with this thread NOYB. I think this thread is now properly protected with an approved OT condom so you can now carry on safely. ;-) BTW: You may want to pay more attention to appropriately marking your posts as OT when they are not boating related. Some folks here have complained about that fact in the recent days. ;-) "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... This piece really tickles my fancy: Chavez offers cheap gas to poor in U.S. HAVANA, Cuba (Reuters) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, popular with the poor at home, offered on Tuesday to help needy Americans with cheap supplies of gasoline. "We want to sell gasoline and heating fuel directly to poor communities in the United States," the populist leader told reporters at the end of a visit to Communist-run Cuba. Chavez did not say how Venezuela would go about providing gasoline to poor communities. Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA owns Citgo, which has 14,000 gas stations in the United States. The offer may sound attractive to Americans feeling pinched by soaring prices at the pump but not to the U.S. government, which sees Chavez as a left-wing troublemaker in Latin America. Gasoline is cheaper than mineral water in oil-producing Venezuela, where consumers can fill their tanks for less than $2. Average gas prices have risen to $2.61 a gallon in the United States, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. ***Chavez said Venezuela could supply gasoline to Americans at half the price they now pay if intermediaries who "speculated ... and exploited consumers" were cut out.*** Venezuela supplies Cuba with generously financed oil and plans to help Caribbean nations foot their oil bills. Chavez, in Cuba to attend the graduation of Cuban-trained doctors from 28 countries, was seen off at the airport by Cuban President Fidel Castro. Washington has accused the two leaders of being a destabilizing influence in South America. Chavez and Castro offered to give poor Americans free health care and train doctors free of charge. - - - - Cheap gas from Venezuela. cheap prescriptions from Canada, free health care from Cuba... Yeah, we're sure doing well under the Bush misAdministraiton. You never heard of the economic concept of "comparative advantages"? For some time now (and long before Bush took office), health care has been cheaper in Cuba, prescriptions have been cheaper in Canada, and gas has been cheaper in Venezuela. You decepetively imply that this is a "new" thing that has only occurred in the last 5 years. Nice try. |
The motivation of many of the folks who I know that moved here is that
Castro came in and took their homes, took their businesses, and put their family members in jail. ..." And he still does |
"Gorf" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Gorf" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: This "Able Danger" story is growing legs, and even the news media is starting to ask questions again as to why so many important items were left out the 9/11 report. From the Washington Times: Review finds no pre-9/11 Atta file By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES August 23, 2005 A Pentagon investigation has found no evidence Wow! What did they spend, a whole couple of days looking? \\\ poor nobby...another of his pet theories bites the bullet. It hasn't bit anything yet. This investigation is just beginning. Can't say as I know where it will go. The investigation into the whitehouse treason of outing a CIA agenmt is still in the works also, but you don't seem to hear a lot about it right now and this has been expanded into Bush lying to get us into Iraq. Only time will tell - and maybe the elections in 2006.... The only way either of those "investigations" (most would call them witchhunts) will go forward is if the Dems in some miraculous way wrestle the House and Senate from the Republicans in '06. Since that is not likely to happen, any investigations by Congress will no doubt focus around whatever the Republicans want them to focus around. It seems that Republican Congressman Curt Weldon is helping to ensure that the investigation will be about Able Danger, the "walls" created by Jamie Gorelick, and any other evidence that was suppressed by the 9/11 Omission. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gorf wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Gorf" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: This "Able Danger" story is growing legs, and even the news media is starting to ask questions again as to why so many important items were left out the 9/11 report. From the Washington Times: Review finds no pre-9/11 Atta file By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES August 23, 2005 A Pentagon investigation has found no evidence Wow! What did they spend, a whole couple of days looking? \\\ poor nobby...another of his pet theories bites the bullet. It hasn't bit anything yet. This investigation is just beginning. Can't say as I know where it will go. The investigation into the whitehouse treason of outing a CIA agenmt is still in the works also, but you don't seem to hear a lot about it right now and this has been expanded into Bush lying to get us into Iraq. Only time will tell - and maybe the elections in 2006.... Right now, close to two thirds of Americans have had it with Bush and his trumped-up war in Iraq. So long as Americans are dying and this keeps happening, Bush's war rightfully is considered a failu "Baghdad — Dozens of insurgents wearing black uniforms and masks launched the boldest assault in Baghdad in weeks, attacking Iraqi police Wednesday with multiple car bombs and small-arms fire that killed at least 13 people and wounded 43. The violence came as politicians struggled to end a stalemate over the country's draft constitution." The "who shot cock robin" inquiry that so turns on NOYB isn't going to change the minds of the American public, no matter what it reveals...or doesn't reveal. Most Americans are beyond that, and they're forming their opinions about Bush on the basis of his endless b.s., his lies, his blindness, his arrogance and his failed initiatives. The only bull**** floating around today is contained in that report written by the 9/11 Omission. |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... As you are concerned about posts being properly identified as OT when they are not boating related I have done that for you with this thread NOYB. I think this thread is now properly protected with an approved OT condom so you can now carry on safely. ;-) BTW: You may want to pay more attention to appropriately marking your posts as OT when they are not boating related. Some folks here have complained about that fact in the recent days. ;-) Thank you, JimH for properly placing the OT in front of the thread. Of course, you noticed that *I* didn't start this thread, right? |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:38:04 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ Since that is not likely to happen, any investigations by Congress will no doubt focus around whatever the Republicans want them to focus around. It seems that Republican Congressman Curt Weldon is helping to ensure that the investigation will be about Able Danger, the "walls" created by Jamie Gorelick, and any other evidence that was suppressed by the 9/11 Omission. The 9/11 Commission was a joke and it is becoming more and more of a joke as more is revealed about their "research". Incredible how incompetent they are appearing - or perhaps I should say "cover up" is more appropriate. Able Danger has the potential to be a block buster type scandal. When the normative histories of the period we are currently living in are written, two names will appear as being overwrought and perhaps down right stupid - Jamie Gorelick and Janet Reno. We won't live long enough to see it happen, but it most certainly will. Speak for yourself. ;-) I intend to live long enough to see it happen. I just hope Congressman Weldon does too. |
"Tim" wrote in message ps.com... The motivation of many of the folks who I know that moved here is that Castro came in and took their homes, took their businesses, and put their family members in jail. ..." And he still does The Bacardi family lost it all (for instance). They seem to have done OK anyway, but they're a major example for anyone who does not believe what went on in Cuba years ago. |
"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "P. Fritz" wrote in message ... What percentage of mexicans, haitiand, dominicans etc are thrown in prison when returned for entering this country illegally? And cubans? It is not illegal for a Cuban to leave their country unless they are in the military or medical field. They must do their service time first. It is, however, very expensive for an airplane ticket out of Cuba for a lot of the people. There are some Cubans that do travel, for vacations, to Costa Rica, Peru, Spain and even to Canada. A lot of these travelers have had some money sent to them by their friends or family. My brother met a Cuban university professor who has travelled to Canada for a vacation. His flight was paid for by a university here in Canada. Also there are many of the sales managers, for the Cuban resorts, come to Canada to give sales pitches to Travel Agents in this country. Their flights are paid for by the Cuban Government and the resorts Jim In the same vein, here's some twisted policy for you: Puerto Ricans can go to Cuba legally. And, you or I can (with a wink and a nod) get to Cuba through Puerto Rico. The PR authorities don't care, and Cuba is more than happy to receive our dollars. According to one Puerto Rican lady I know, bringing an extra suitcase filled with toilet paper will make you lots of new friends in Cuba. |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... The fishing though is spectacular. :) .....and you know this from reading Hemingway's accounts of marlin adventures, right? |
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:38:04 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: I intend to live long enough to see it happen. I just hope Congressman Weldon does too. You sure you want to see where this goes??? EARLY 2001 - WHITE HOUSE DEPARTS FROM EFFORTS TO TRACK TERRORIST MONEY: The new Bush Treasury Department "disapproved of the Clinton Administration's approach to money laundering issues, which had been an important part of the drive to cut off the money flow to bin Laden." Specifically, the Bush Administration opposed Clinton Administration-backed efforts by the G-7 and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development that targeted countries with "loose banking regulations" being abused by terrorist financiers. Meanwhile, the Bush Administration provided "no funding for the new National Terrorist Asset Tracking Center." [Source: The Age of Sacred Terror, 2003] APRIL 30, 2001 - BUSH ADMINISTRATION SAYS BIN LADEN FOCUS WAS "MISTAKE": The Bush Administration released the government's annual report on terrorism, but unlike previous Administrations, it decided to specifically omit an "extensive mention of alleged terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden. A senior State Department official told CNN the U.S. government made a mistake in focusing so much energy on bin Laden." Similarly, AP reported in 2002 that the Bush Administration's "national security leadership met formally nearly 100 times in the months prior to the Sept. 11 attacks yet terrorism was the topic during only two of those sessions." [Source: CNN, 4/30/01; AP, 6/29/01] The federal government was rapidly increasing its counter-terrorism efforts at the time President Bush took office. As the New York Times reported, Attorney General Janet Reno ended her tenure as "perhaps the strongest advocate" of counterterrorism spending. Similarly, Newsweek and the Washington Post reported National Security Adviser Sandy Berger was "totally preoccupied" with the prospect of a domestic terror attack, telling his replacement that they need to be "spending more time on this issue" than on any other. The focus changed dramatically when the Bush Administration took office. ADMINISTRATION SHIFTED LAW ENFORCEMENT'S FOCUS OFF OF COUNTER-TERRORISM: The New York Times reported that in the lead-up to 9/11, Attorney General John Ashcroft "said fighting terrorism was a top priority of his agency," yet upon entering office, "he identified more than a dozen other objectives for greater emphasis within the Justice Department before the attacks." On Aug. 9, the Administration distributed a strategic plan to the Justice Department highlighting its new goals from a list of Clinton Administration goals. The item that referred to intelligence and investigation of terrorists was left un-highlighted. [Source: NY Times, 2/28/02] ASHCROFT OVERRULED EFFORTS FOCUSED ON COUNTER-TERROR: Newsweek reported that "in the spring of 2001, the attorney general had an extraordinary confrontation with the then FBI Director Louis Freeh at an annual meeting of special agents." The two talked before appearing, and Ashcroft laid out his priorities for Freeh: "basically violent crime and drugs," recalls one participant. Freeh replied bluntly that those were not his priorities, and began to talk about terror and counterterrorism. "Ashcroft didn't want to hear about it," says a former senior law-enforcement official." [Source: Newsweek, 5/27/02] BUSH ADMINISTRATION TERMINATED PROGRAM THAT TRACKED AL QAEDA: "In the months before 9/11, the U.S. Justice Department curtailed a highly classified program called 'Catcher's Mitt' to monitor Al Qaeda suspects in the United States." [Source: Newsweek, 3/21/04] SO LITTLE CONCERN FOR COUNTER-TERROR THAT A WHITE HOUSE TASK FORCE NEVER MET: In January of 2001, the U.S. Government's bipartisan Commission on National Security gave the White House a report that warned of an attack on the homeland and urged the new Administration to implement its specific "recommendations to prevent acts of domestic terrorism. The Administration rejected the Commission's report, "preferring to put aside the recommendations." Instead, the Administration waited until May of 2001 to appoint Vice President Cheney to head a task force "to combat terrorist attacks on the United States." But according to the Washington Post, neither "Cheney's review nor Bush's took place." Meanwhile, Newsweek reported that when senators "sent a copy of draft legislation on counterterrorism and homeland defense to Cheney's office on July 20," they were told by Cheney's top aide "that it might be another six months before he would be able to review the material." [Source: Salon, 9/12/04; White House release, 5/8/01; Washington Post, 1/20/02; Newsweek, 5/27/02] WHITE HOUSE BEGAN EFFORT TO CUT COUNTER-TERRORISM PROGRAMS: The New York Times reported that in its final 2003 budget request, the Administration "called for spending increases in 68 programs, none of which directly involved counterterrorism...In his Sept. 10 submission to the budget office, Ashcroft did not endorse FBI requests for $58 million for 149 new counterterrorism field agents, 200 intelligence analysts and 54 additional translators. Ashcroft proposed a $65 million cut for a program that gives states and localities counterterrorism grants for equipment, including radios and decontamination suits and training." By comparison, "Under Janet Reno, the department's counterterrorism budget increased 13.6% in the fiscal year 1999, 7.1% in 2000 and 22.7% in 2001." [Source: NY Times, 2/28/02] ADMINISTRATION LEFT "GAPS" IN MILITARY'S REQUEST FOR COUNTER-TERROR FUNDS: The Washington Post reported that in its first budget, the White House left "gaps" between "what military commanders said they needed to combat terrorists and what they got." Newsweek noted that, among other things, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld elected not to re-launch a Predator drone that had been tracking bin Laden. When the Senate Armed Services Committee tried to fill those gaps, "Rumsfeld said he would recommend a veto" on September 9. [Source: Washington Post, 1/20/02; Newsweek, 5/27/02; NY Times, 2/28/02] ADMINISTRATION STOPPED PREDATOR FLIGHTS TRACKING AL QAEDA IN AFGHANISTAN: AP reported "though Predator drones spotted Osama bin Laden as many as three times in late 2000, the Bush administration did not fly the unmanned planes over Afghanistan during its first eight months." Additionally, "the military successfully tested an armed Predator throughout the first half of 2001" but the White House "failed to resolve a debate over whether the CIA or Pentagon should operate the armed Predators" and the armed Predator never got off the ground before 9/11. [Source: AP, 6/25/03] WHILE CUTTING COUNTER-TERROR, THE WHITE HOUSE SENT FUNDING TO THE TALIBAN: At the same time the White House was trying to cut counter-terrorism funding, it gave "$43 million in drought aid to Afghanistan after the Taliban began a campaign against poppy growers." As the 5/29/01 edition of Newsday noted, the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan "are a decidedly odd choice for an outright gift of $43 million from the Bush Administration. This is the same government against which the United Nation imposes sanctions, at the behest of the United States, for refusing to turn over the terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden." [Washington Post, 9/23/01; Newsday, 5/29/01] MAY 2002 - BUSH ADMINISTRATION MOVES TO PREVENT INDEPENDENT INQUIRY OF 9/11: Months after 9/11, Vice President Cheney went on Fox News to announce the Administration's full opposition to an independent 9/11 commission. As CBS News noted, the White House "opposed a commission" from the start, claiming "it would tie up officials waging the war on terror - and endanger U.S. secrets." [Source: Fox News, 5/19/02; CBS, 9/20/02] |
"Gorf" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:38:04 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: I intend to live long enough to see it happen. I just hope Congressman Weldon does too. You sure you want to see where this goes??? Sure. Let the chips fall where they may. Like I said, I'm not so interested in seeing who to pin the 9/11 blame on. That's history, and hopefully we'll learn from it. I'm more interested in seeing who has committed crimes by trying to cover it up...and why. "It's not the crime. It's the coverup" |
NOYB wrote:
Thank you, JimH for properly placing the OT in front of the thread. Of course, you noticed that *I* didn't start this thread, right? Might be better to just do your penance, than risk the Rev's wrath. |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... In the same vein, here's some twisted policy for you: Puerto Ricans can go to Cuba legally. And, you or I can (with a wink and a nod) get to Cuba through Puerto Rico. The PR authorities don't care, and Cuba is more than happy to receive our dollars. According to one Puerto Rican lady I know, bringing an extra suitcase filled with toilet paper will make you lots of new friends in Cuba. Doug, I go to Cuba for my winter vacations and I have been doing this for years. The boating there is spectacular! The fishing is out of this world! My government has no problem with my travels to Cuba. The Cubans welcome me every trip there. It is the government of the USA that does not permit me to take my boat there if I leave from a US port. My boat is a Canadian Registered Vessel. I am a Canadian Citizen. This year I will leave from Grand Cayman on my annual vacation. It's too bad that your government is so backwards in it's foreign policy. You would love a trip to Cuba. ( Boating Content ) |
"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... In the same vein, here's some twisted policy for you: Puerto Ricans can go to Cuba legally. And, you or I can (with a wink and a nod) get to Cuba through Puerto Rico. The PR authorities don't care, and Cuba is more than happy to receive our dollars. According to one Puerto Rican lady I know, bringing an extra suitcase filled with toilet paper will make you lots of new friends in Cuba. Doug, I go to Cuba for my winter vacations and I have been doing this for years. The boating there is spectacular! The fishing is out of this world! My government has no problem with my travels to Cuba. The Cubans welcome me every trip there. It is the government of the USA that does not permit me to take my boat there if I leave from a US port. My boat is a Canadian Registered Vessel. I am a Canadian Citizen. This year I will leave from Grand Cayman on my annual vacation. It's too bad that your government is so backwards in it's foreign policy. You would love a trip to Cuba. ( Boating Content ) I'd go just for the la musica Cubana! |
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:34:54 -0400, "Starbucks"
wrote: Harry, You do seem to focus on homosexual fantasies, is there a reason for that? "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... PocoLoco wrote: You should try hard to keep Harry over there, wherever that is! On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:52:25 -0500, Hoodoo wrote: From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: rec.boats Subject: Chavez Offers Cheap Gas to Poor Americans Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: Harry Krause wrote: Bush is an utter, complete failure, a man entirely out of touch with reality. He's flushing this country down the toilet. And you're probably sharing the same methamphetamine as your butt-buddy, john weasely gilmer III, because you're always talking out your ass... although with you two, it's quite difficult to tell which end is up. Here's only a partial list of aliases used by herr e. kkkrause's identical twin brother: -------------------------- With the evidence of your dozens of aliases included below, Juan Valdez is probably you failing to play both sides of a story... AGAIN. ROLF!! Who's ROLF? Grow up Karen. Grow the hell up. That older woman really put a whammy on you, huh? I bet you have a tattoo of her surrounded by the words: "The One That Got Away"!! Immediately below are sets of message headers each with a different alias used by john weasely gilmer III via the two posting hosts: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 Below that is the inclusion of a partial list of the dozens of aliases he has been known to use. So, who's the TROLL, gilwad? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------------------------- From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: alt.obituaries,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Hey! Dumb Cmelak! Date: 23 Aug 2005 19:32:21 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: Billy's Daddy Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.OJ-simpson Subject: Junk Motorcycle Still For Sale Date: 22 Aug 2005 20:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Jose" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 13 Aug 2005 07:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Smelly Billy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: You pal Cmelak/Hoodoo is trolling other newsgroup again ... Date: 7 Aug 2005 19:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 =============================================== =============================================== From: "PirateJohn" Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: Another (dead soldier from Iraq War) family blasts Bush Date: 17 Aug 2005 14:50:50 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ----------- From: "Juan" Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.obituaries,fl.general ,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: The Gaspar/Anderson obsession Date: 1 Aug 2005 08:25:30 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 God, you trolls and your multiple personalities are so ****ing naive. ---------------------------------------- From: "Billy's Daddy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Report Abuse Date: 17 Aug 2005 10:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ------------------------------------------- From: "Guy Good" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 12 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ========================================= ========================================= Known and verified aliases: OSPAM Bill Cmelak loves his Hoodoo "Bill Cmelak" "Smelly Billy" Yup...newsgroup slime sticks together. You and Hoodoo are the pair, Herring, and if Smithers joins in, you can have quite the menage. Harry seems to entice a strange crew over here from his frank zappa group. Then he complains about their posts. Perhaps if he stopped some of his cross-posting crap that wouldn't happen. Whoever 'hoodoo' is, he seems to have Harry pegged. -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
The 9/11 Commission was a joke and it is becoming more and more of a joke as more is revealed about their "research". Really? It seems to me that since most of the more powerful interests in Washington had to be dragged in, kicking & screaming, in order to "investigate" at all, they did a great job. If it were up to the White House or some of the allied heads of Congress, there would have been NO investigation. It would have been "Nothing happening here, nothing to see, move along folks." The fact that those same powerful interests are slinging mud at the results tells me more about them than about the investigation. Do you ever wonder why, when there's bad news or potential bad news, the Karl ROve Character Assassination Team gears up for battle? When the normative histories of the period we are currently living in are written, two names will appear as being overwrought and perhaps down right stupid - Jamie Gorelick and Janet Reno. Ya think? DSK |
"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Gorf" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:38:04 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: I intend to live long enough to see it happen. I just hope Congressman Weldon does too. You sure you want to see where this goes??? Sure. Let the chips fall where they may. Like I said, I'm not so interested in seeing who to pin the 9/11 blame on. That's history, and hopefully we'll learn from it. I'm more interested in seeing who has committed crimes by trying to cover it up...and why. "It's not the crime. It's the coverup" I agree 911 commission was involved in cover-ups. It was a bi-partisan commission. The info about Atta and Clinton was most likely omitted to accommodate omissions about Bush. Remember one of the main premises for freedom in the USA is that you are innocent until proven guilty. In that regard, Atta had done nothing in 2000, so he could not be arrested. Clinton lawyers were right, otherwise we end up with Nazi rule and the Gestapo making people disappear in the middle of the night. If you like conspiracy theories here's one you will love: Conspiracy: 9/11 - Alleged Cover-ups The Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11 http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat...ost29388 9167 |
"Gorf" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Gorf" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:38:04 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: I intend to live long enough to see it happen. I just hope Congressman Weldon does too. You sure you want to see where this goes??? Sure. Let the chips fall where they may. Like I said, I'm not so interested in seeing who to pin the 9/11 blame on. That's history, and hopefully we'll learn from it. I'm more interested in seeing who has committed crimes by trying to cover it up...and why. "It's not the crime. It's the coverup" I agree 911 commission was involved in cover-ups. It was a bi-partisan commission. The info about Atta and Clinton was most likely omitted to accommodate omissions about Bush. Remember one of the main premises for freedom in the USA is that you are innocent until proven guilty. In that regard, Atta had done nothing in 2000, so he could not be arrested. Clinton lawyers were right, otherwise we end up with Nazi rule and the Gestapo making people disappear in the middle of the night. So you prefer the death of 3000 Americans over the violation of the "rights" of a non-US citizen? |
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http://www.buccaneerpublishing.com/Cmelak.htm , dedicated to Antigo, Wisconsin's very own ex-wife-beating, chronically drunk, high-volume posting troll, William "Bill" Cmelak, a/k/a . A former truck driver now claiming disability for a variety of physical and mental ailments, Cmelak lives a lonely life in the woods in a mobile home where he trolls 24/7, fondles his gun collection, and just in general has become the town idiot of the little hamlets of Pearson and Antigo, WI. Described by a police detective as a "sick ****" because of his online threats to murder and rape a newsgroup participant, Cmelak now spends his days posting complete and total nonsense about the numerous people that he disagrees with. |
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Gorf" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Gorf" wrote in message om... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:38:04 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: I intend to live long enough to see it happen. I just hope Congressman Weldon does too. You sure you want to see where this goes??? Sure. Let the chips fall where they may. Like I said, I'm not so interested in seeing who to pin the 9/11 blame on. That's history, and hopefully we'll learn from it. I'm more interested in seeing who has committed crimes by trying to cover it up...and why. "It's not the crime. It's the coverup" I agree 911 commission was involved in cover-ups. It was a bi-partisan commission. The info about Atta and Clinton was most likely omitted to accommodate omissions about Bush. Remember one of the main premises for freedom in the USA is that you are innocent until proven guilty. In that regard, Atta had done nothing in 2000, so he could not be arrested. Clinton lawyers were right, otherwise we end up with Nazi rule and the Gestapo making people disappear in the middle of the night. So you prefer the death of 3000 Americans over the violation of the "rights" of a non-US citizen? BUSH said it himself "If we let this change the American way of life then the terrorist have won." As far as Atta - hindsight is always 20-20 isn't it? NO ONE, not Clinton, not you, not God himself knew what was going to happen - or it WOULD have been averted. Am I willing to give into a police state out of fear of what MIGHT be? Hell NO! |
NOBBY wrote
So you prefer the death of 3000 Americans over the violation of the "rights" of a non-US citizen? Gorf wrote: BUSH said it himself "If we let this change the American way of life then the terrorist have won." As far as Atta - hindsight is always 20-20 isn't it? NO ONE, not Clinton, not you, not God himself knew what was going to happen - or it WOULD have been averted. Am I willing to give into a police state out of fear of what MIGHT be? Hell NO! First of all, you gotta recognize Nobby for what he is... a socialist (in fact I think of him as an ouotright Trotskyite or Bolshevist) who is trying his best to make the imperialist running-dogs look bad, and thus hasten the arrival of the world worker's state. Da, Comrade Nobby? That's why NOBBY posts his clownishly fascist statements and his pre-kindergarten economic theories, to discredit those he appears to be siding with. 2ndly, statements like "would you prefer to protect the rights of a non-American" is basically a nicer sounding way of saying "You really should understand, that torture is good when *we* do it, that it's morally OK to kill furriners, and you only have the rights that the gov't lets you have." I hope this helps with you comprehension of future off-topic posts. DSK |
From: Jose
Newsgroups: rec.boats Subject: Chavez Offers Cheap Gas to Poor Americans Date: 25 Aug 2005 10:09:50 -0700 Message-ID: om NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 Jose wrote: ~~~~ http://www.buccaneerpublishing.com/Cmelak.htm , dedicated to Antigo, Wisconsin's very own ex-wife-beating, chronically drunk, high-volume posting troll, William "Bill" Cmelak, a/k/a . A former truck driver now claiming disability for a variety of physical and mental ailments, Cmelak lives a lonely life in the woods in a mobile home where he trolls 24/7, fondles his gun collection, and just in general has become the town idiot of the little hamlets of Pearson and Antigo, WI. Described by a police detective as a "sick ****" because of his online threats to murder and rape a newsgroup participant, Cmelak now spends his days posting complete and total nonsense about the numerous people that he disagrees with. Here with proper citation is evidence defining the sociopath who fabricates the type of crap above: Immediately below are sets of message headers each with a different alias used by john weasely gilmer III via the two posting hosts: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 Below that is the inclusion of a partial list of the dozens of aliases he has been known to use. So, who's the TROLL, gilwad? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------------------------- From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: alt.obituaries,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Hey! Dumb Cmelak! Date: 23 Aug 2005 19:32:21 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: Billy's Daddy Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.OJ-simpson Subject: Junk Motorcycle Still For Sale Date: 22 Aug 2005 20:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Jose" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 13 Aug 2005 07:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Smelly Billy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: You pal Cmelak/Hoodoo is trolling other newsgroup again ... Date: 7 Aug 2005 19:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 =============================================== =============================================== From: "PirateJohn" Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: Another (dead soldier from Iraq War) family blasts Bush Date: 17 Aug 2005 14:50:50 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ----------- From: "Juan" Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.obituaries,fl.general ,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: The Gaspar/Anderson obsession Date: 1 Aug 2005 08:25:30 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 God, you trolls and your multiple personalities are so ****ing naive. ---------------------------------------- From: "Billy's Daddy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Report Abuse Date: 17 Aug 2005 10:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ------------------------------------------- From: "Guy Good" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 12 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ========================================= ========================================= Known and verified aliases: OSPAM Bill Cmelak loves his Hoodoo "Bill Cmelak" "Smelly Billy" ============================================ ============================================ The information below is verified data regarding the malicious malcontent who initiated and perpetuates all this despicable behavior. Known and verified aliases: OSPAM Bill Cmelak loves his Hoodoo "Bill Cmelak" "Smelly Billy" - - - From Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:04:01 EST From: To: Return-Path: Delivered-To: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:04:01 EST Subject: Food for thought If I post a $500 reward for information leading to your identity, do you think that anyone will give you up? How about some of the folks that you have traded CD's with? Just a thought. And if you want to publicize this otherwise private email go right ahead. Maybe that will help to get the ball rolling. - - - From: Juan Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Reward for Hoodoo's identification Date: 2 Jan 2005 03:52:07 -0800 Message-ID: .com I am offering a $500 reward for the identification of Hoodoo. Don't want to do anything illegal or immoral here, but it's simply important that I get a handle on who he is so that I can get some legal action going. - - - From: Juan Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: Poor Juan Gilmer - Usenet Imbecile Date: 1 Jan 2005 18:53:17 -0800 Message-ID: .com Tell you guys what. $300 for the first person who can give me a real world name and address for Hoodoo. - - - From: Juan Newsgroups: alt.fan.oj-simpson Subject: Fighting truth decay every day - now some facts ", aka, 'guanito' Date: 2 Jan 2005 03:29:56 -0800 Message-ID: .com Yes, folks, there is now a reward for the identification of Hoodoo. Anyone who wants to take a shot at it please let me know. - - - From: Juan Newsgroups: soc.singles Subject: Happy New Year from John Gilmer Date: 2 Jan 2005 03:27:14 -0800 Message-ID: .com And, yes, there is now a reward for anyone who can provide information and identify the Hoodoo troll ;) - - - From: Juan Newsgroups: alt.fan.oj-simpson Subject: Fighting truth decay every day - now some facts ", aka, 'guanito' Date: 2 Jan 2005 03:32:14 -0800 Message-ID: .com And yes folks, as he said there is now a bounty for the udentification of the troll known as Hoodoo. If you have any ideas let me know. - - - From: "BuccaneerJuan" Newsgroups: alt.fan.oj-simpson Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:37 AM Subject: Is Karen Anderson still trolling this newsgroup? Try this link as to who I am: http://www.buccaneerpublishing.com/AdventureGuide.htm - - - Whois: buccaneerpublishing.com buccaneerpublishing.com = [ 66.218.79.165 ] Domain Name.......... buccaneerpublishing.com Creation Date........ 2004-06-08 Registration Date.... 2004-06-08 Expiry Date.......... 2005-06-08 Organisation Name.... Administrator Organisation Address. 12526 Agatite Rd. Organisation Address. Organisation Address. Jacksonville Organisation Address. 32258 Organisation Address. FL Organisation Address. UNITED STATES Admin Name........... Administrator Buccaneer Press Inc. Admin Address........ 12526 Agatite Rd. Admin Address........ Admin Address........ Jacksonville Admin Address........ 32258 Admin Address........ FL Admin Address........ UNITED STATES Admin Email.......... Admin Phone.......... 1.9048748633 - - - From: http://anon1.coj.net/realestate/Fina...No=158365-0000 Duval County Tax Collector 2004 Real Estate Tax Summary Property Information Real Estate No. 158365-0000-7 Name DEBORAH LYNCH Address 12526 AGATITE RD Mailing Address for the Property 12526 AGATITE RD JACKSONVILLE FL 32258 - 5306 Legal Description of Property 28-41 23-4S-27E GS JULINGTON COUNTRY CLUB ESTATES R/P LOT 6 BLK 5 Tax Information Assessed Value 142260 Govt. Tax Value 117260 Exempt Code H RE Tax Lien Amt. Non Ad Val By Int. Amt. By Pen Amt. Gross Tax 2,199.01 .00 .00 .00 .00 2,199.01 CURRENT YEAR TAX TOTAL AMOUNT DUE IF PAID IN November December January February March April 2,111.05 2,133.04 2,155.03 2,177.02 2,199.01 2,268.73 Payment Information Paid Code UNPAID Paid Date Exception Code 000 - - - Since he brags about his numerous GPS units so often, here are the coordinates to the house address so he can find it better: Decimal Degrees Deg:Min:Sec Lat: 30.142338 30:08:32.417N Lon: -081.561846 81:33:42.646W And,a web-address for a map to pinpoint it: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp...12526+Agatite+ Rd+&city=Jacksonville&state=FL Shorter alternative for that long link: http://snipurl.com/bpe9 - - - From the archives at Google http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.obituaries/ [The comments at the bottom of the judgment are by the person who initially posted the message containing the following information about this DEADBEAT.] DEBTOR: GILMER, JOHN CREDITOR: NORWEST FINANCIAL AMERICA INC AMOUNT: $ 1,233 NUMBER: B8972P2221 TYPE: OPEN JUDGMENT ENTERED: 6/11/1998 STATUS: OPEN So much for all that independently wealthy bull****. Ya' can't even pick up a $1200 tab. $1200 ... Since 1998. A judgment for $1200. Ya' ain't nuttin' but a slug. A deadbeat. - - - And then there's the following message he posted. He denies that he did post it because it didn't originate at AOL which allows him to hide behind numerous identities but, you know very well how he lies. With all of the character assassination and other malicious mayhem he commits, you don't think he could hold himself back from branching out to other domains and areas of specific, and sexual, interests, do you? From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: alt.sex.stories.gay Subject: Gay Bikers Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 19:01:42 -0500 Any Gay Bikers out there? - - - http://www.bmwsearch.net/main/digest...-20031399.html Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 13:06:14 -0400 From: JGilmer Subject: BMW: Shoei Syncrotec replacement? - --PirateJohn-- a/k/a ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John W. Gilmer Data Manager Moffitt Corporation Jacksonville Beach, FL - - - That leads to the following information: http://www.moffitthvac.com/ Moffitt Corporation 1351 13th Avenue South, Suite 130 Jacksonville Beach, FL 32250 Phone: 904/241-9944 Fax: 904/246-8333 - - - And, several of the women he's lied about during the nearly two year period in which he was apparently 'sweetheart scamming' an older woman of financial security but infirm health. A woman who, by his own admission, was not good looking but whom he knew inherited money and enjoyed traveling about the USA with her travel trailer, and, flights overseas as well. After traveling across the country to meet him at his urging, he obviously screwed up the date and time of their meeting because she caught him red-handed, so to speak, with some bimbo. http://www.bmwsearch.net/main/digest...-20012002.html Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 21:46:57 -0600 From: Subject: BMW: Ride To Savannah VII Starts Tomorrow Scheduled to attend: Joey Gilmer Jacksonville, FL Pirate John Jacksonville, FL - - - http://members.aol.com/theshoprag2/aug04/page2.htm BMWNEF was represented at the Asheville Rally by the following members: JOHN GILMER AND DEBORAH - - - From: (BuccaneerJuan) Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Date: 02 Jan 2005 03:07:38 GMT Subject: Life gives you lemons, you make lemonade ;) Message-ID: Karen/Hoodoo, I have to thank you. I was just checking some search engine statistics and was fearing that the problems that you were causing might negatively affect people's abilities to find my writing projects. Naw. You have driven folks to my new website and and they are checking out my book project, what I have written, downloading my Keys Guide, etc. Thanks! They say that bad publicity is better than no publicity at all, but with you so ineptly trolling me and posting laughably fraudulant nonsense about me even folks that I have argued with on other newsgroups are sympathetic. Guess that I couldn't have done it without you ;) - - - From: Juan Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.obituaries,alt.politics.immigration,al t.mexi co Subject: Trolls and their obsessions with Mr. Perfect ;) Date: 27 Jan 2005 08:56:44 -0800 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 Anywho, it's getting down to the point where the girlfriend told me not to worry about her privacy (which had been a concern of mine) and to give the jackasses both barrels, - - - From: Xxxx Xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxxxxx Newsgroups: alt.obituaries,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.politics.immigration Subject: Deborah Lynch was Trolls and their obsessions with Mr. Perfect ;) Date: 27 Jan 2005 18:45:01 -0800 In article . com, Juan says... Anywho, it's getting down to the point where the girlfriend told me not to worry about her privacy Great! Now you can tell me who she scammed to get put on probation. I'll be waiting. How do you know she is on probation? Site please, Xxxx, if that is your real name. Deborah is a real estate broker and works he http://www.smartpages.com/home/homet...rtymanagement7 She had her license pulled for quite some time and was put on probation for embezzling a real estate escrow account. Her license has recently been reinstated. You can go to www.myfloridalicense.com and do a search for Deborah Lynch, Jacksonville Florida. There you will see that her license was involuntary suspended back in 2003. That should give you a start. From there you can dig up even more dirt on the hag. She has a lot skeletons in her closet. Stay tuned. More to come. - - - https://www.myfloridalicense.com/licensing/ License Type Name Name Type License Number/ Rank Status/ Expires City Real Estate Broker or Sales LYNCH, DEBORAH Primary BK3010796 Broker Invol Inactive, Active 03/31/2003 JACKSONVILLE Real Estate Broker or Sales LYNCH, DEBORAH Primary BK560825 Broker Sales Current, Active 03/31/2005 JACKSONVILLE - - - https://www.myfloridalicense.com/LicenseDetail.asp Licensee Information Name: LYNCH, DEBORAH (Primary Name) (DBA Name) Main Address: 12526 AGATITE ROAD JACKSONVILLE Florida 32258 County: DUVAL License Mailing: LicenseLocation: 3780 KORI RD #13 JACKSONVILLE FL 32257 County: DUVAL License Information License Type: Real Estate Broker or Sales Rank: Broker Sales License Number: BK560825 Status: Current,Active Licensure Date: 05/24/1993 Expires: 03/31/2005 - - - http://www.smartpages.com/home/ Hometown Realty (904) 288-9293 3780 Kori Rd Jacksonville, FL 32257 - - - From: XxxXxxx Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.obituaries,alt.politics.immigration,al t.mexi co Subject: IMPORTANT! Juan The Wuss Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:59:12 GMT I do believe that Mary Gilmer in Danville, Kentucky needs to be contacted. Her son needs HELP before he hurts someone...or himself. He clearly is a physical threat to ME. -- I'm smarter, bigger, stronger, and a lot meaner than you are. You also won't be the first person that I didn't like who I had to kill. Legally. -- john wesley gilmer III |
PocoLoco wrote:
You should try hard to keep Harry over there, wherever that is! herr e. kkkrause is like an overflowing septic tank; he spills his lies and racist homophobic effluent in every newsgroup he soils by his presence. From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: rec.boats Subject: Chavez Offers Cheap Gas to Poor Americans Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: Harry Krause wrote: Bush is an utter, complete failure, a man entirely out of touch with reality. He's flushing this country down the toilet. And you're probably sharing the same methamphetamine as your butt-buddy, john weasely gilmer III, because you're always talking out your ass... although with you two, it's quite difficult to tell which end is up. Here's only a partial list of aliases used by herr e. kkkrause's identical twin brother: -------------------------- With the evidence of your dozens of aliases included below, Juan Valdez is probably you failing to play both sides of a story... AGAIN. ROLF!! Who's ROLF? Grow up Karen. Grow the hell up. That older woman really put a whammy on you, huh? I bet you have a tattoo of her surrounded by the words: "The One That Got Away"!! Immediately below are sets of message headers each with a different alias used by john weasely gilmer III via the two posting hosts: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 Below that is the inclusion of a partial list of the dozens of aliases he has been known to use. So, who's the TROLL, gilwad? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------------------------- From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: alt.obituaries,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Hey! Dumb Cmelak! Date: 23 Aug 2005 19:32:21 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: Billy's Daddy Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.OJ-simpson Subject: Junk Motorcycle Still For Sale Date: 22 Aug 2005 20:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Jose" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 13 Aug 2005 07:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Smelly Billy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: You pal Cmelak/Hoodoo is trolling other newsgroup again ... Date: 7 Aug 2005 19:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 ============================================== = ============================================== = From: "PirateJohn" Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: Another (dead soldier from Iraq War) family blasts Bush Date: 17 Aug 2005 14:50:50 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ----------- From: "Juan" Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.obituaries,fl.gener al,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: The Gaspar/Anderson obsession Date: 1 Aug 2005 08:25:30 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 God, you trolls and your multiple personalities are so ****ing naive. ---------------------------------------- From: "Billy's Daddy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Report Abuse Date: 17 Aug 2005 10:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ------------------------------------------- From: "Guy Good" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 12 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ========================================= ========================================= Known and verified aliases: Bill Cmelak loves his Hoodoo "Bill Cmelak" "Smelly Billy" -- I'm smarter, bigger, stronger, and a lot meaner than you are. You also won't be the first person that I didn't like who I had to kill. Legally. -- john wesley gilmer III |
PocoLoco wrote:
You should try hard to keep Harry over there, wherever that is! Harry Krause wrote: Yup...newsgroup slime sticks together. You and Hoodoo are the pair, Herring, and if Smithers joins in, you can have quite the menage. Here is some background on *kkkrause* which shows the shallowness and insincerity of his words. One moment he is opposed to Americans owning handguns; then he states that gun laws should be more strict; yet again he wishes to circumvent a handgun law in his own state of residence, a law that was enacted to allegedly make guns safer. It seems that *kkkrause* wants other citizens to comply with tougher gun laws, but, he doesn't like them applying to himself. You're nothin' but a hypocrite harry.... harry the hypocrite! ------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:59:54 -0500 From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: Neal Knox, firearms rights activist Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.49.4.184 ....get rid of everyone who has a handgun AND the handguns, and produce useful clothing. ----------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:23:57 -0500 From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: More good news for the gun ******s NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.49.4.184 I'm opposed to CCW, and I think guns and their owners should be registered and licensed, with a license obtainable only after a background check and a safety course. ------------------------------- From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: rec.guns Subject: ISO "legal" six shooter for Maryland... Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Organization: University of Maryland College Park Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: sniper.cs.umd.edu I'm interested in buying my first handgun (I have a closet full of shotguns), and what I want is a Ruger New Model Single Six Hunter, model KNR7H, in stainless. I want a new in the box pistola. Problem is, I live in Maryland, and we have a state law that makes legal purchase of this revolver a no-no, unless you purchase one that was manufactured several years ago. Revolvers manufacturer in, I believe, the last two years have to have an integral lock on them. Ruger has not seen fit to re-engineer this model to accommodate Maryalnd. But it is legal, I understand, to buy a brand-new revolver if it was manufactured prior to the "no lock, no sale" ban. What I would have to do is find a a dealer either in Maryland or out of state and arrange a legal sale. The out of state transaction would be handled through a local holder of an FFL, I suppose. Question is, how would I find out who has the model revolver I want? Is there any sort of dealer cooperative where inventory lists are available for perusal? Thanks From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: rec.boats Subject: Chavez Offers Cheap Gas to Poor Americans Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: Harry Krause wrote: Bush is an utter, complete failure, a man entirely out of touch with reality. He's flushing this country down the toilet. And you're probably sharing the same methamphetamine as your butt-buddy, john weasely gilmer III, because you're always talking out your ass... although with you two, it's quite difficult to tell which end is up. Here's only a partial list of aliases used by herr e. kkkrause's identical twin brother: -------------------------- With the evidence of your dozens of aliases included below, Juan Valdez is probably you failing to play both sides of a story... AGAIN. ROLF!! Who's ROLF? Grow up Karen. Grow the hell up. That older woman really put a whammy on you, huh? I bet you have a tattoo of her surrounded by the words: "The One That Got Away"!! Immediately below are sets of message headers each with a different alias used by john weasely gilmer III via the two posting hosts: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 Below that is the inclusion of a partial list of the dozens of aliases he has been known to use. So, who's the TROLL, gilwad? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------------------------- From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: alt.obituaries,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Hey! Dumb Cmelak! Date: 23 Aug 2005 19:32:21 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: Billy's Daddy Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.OJ-simpson Subject: Junk Motorcycle Still For Sale Date: 22 Aug 2005 20:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Jose" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 13 Aug 2005 07:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Smelly Billy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: You pal Cmelak/Hoodoo is trolling other newsgroup again ... Date: 7 Aug 2005 19:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 =============================================== =============================================== From: "PirateJohn" Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: Another (dead soldier from Iraq War) family blasts Bush Date: 17 Aug 2005 14:50:50 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ----------- From: "Juan" Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.obituaries,fl.general ,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: The Gaspar/Anderson obsession Date: 1 Aug 2005 08:25:30 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 God, you trolls and your multiple personalities are so ****ing naive. ---------------------------------------- From: "Billy's Daddy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Report Abuse Date: 17 Aug 2005 10:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ------------------------------------------- From: "Guy Good" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 12 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ========================================= ========================================= Known and verified aliases: OSPAM Bill Cmelak loves his Hoodoo "Bill Cmelak" "Smelly Billy" -- I'm smarter, bigger, stronger, and a lot meaner than you are. You also won't be the first person that I didn't like who I had to kill. Legally. -- john wesley gilmer III |
PocoLoco wrote:
Harry seems to entice a strange crew over here from his frank zappa group. Then he complains about their posts. Perhaps if he stopped some of his cross-posting crap that wouldn't happen. Whoever 'hoodoo' is, he seems to have Harry pegged. It's not difficult realizing herr e. kkkrause is a pathological liar. He flip-flops from one side of an issue to another and when he does stick with one train of thought, it is almost always illogically invalid. You should have read his ignorant rants opposing deer hunting and deer hunters. And then there are his tales about keeping wild raccoons as pets. For someone who claims he has three university degrees (unearned wallpaper is all they are), he isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. From: Harry Krause Newsgroups: rec.boats Subject: Chavez Offers Cheap Gas to Poor Americans Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: Harry Krause wrote: Bush is an utter, complete failure, a man entirely out of touch with reality. He's flushing this country down the toilet. And you're probably sharing the same methamphetamine as your butt-buddy, john weasely gilmer III, because you're always talking out your ass... although with you two, it's quite difficult to tell which end is up. Here's only a partial list of aliases used by herr e. kkkrause's identical twin brother: -------------------------- With the evidence of your dozens of aliases included below, Juan Valdez is probably you failing to play both sides of a story... AGAIN. ROLF!! Who's ROLF? Grow up Karen. Grow the hell up. That older woman really put a whammy on you, huh? I bet you have a tattoo of her surrounded by the words: "The One That Got Away"!! Immediately below are sets of message headers each with a different alias used by john weasely gilmer III via the two posting hosts: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 Below that is the inclusion of a partial list of the dozens of aliases he has been known to use. So, who's the TROLL, gilwad? Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------------------------- From: PirateJohn Newsgroups: alt.obituaries,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.oj-simpson,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Hey! Dumb Cmelak! Date: 23 Aug 2005 19:32:21 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: Billy's Daddy Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.fan.OJ-simpson Subject: Junk Motorcycle Still For Sale Date: 22 Aug 2005 20:54:36 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Jose" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 13 Aug 2005 07:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 From: "Smelly Billy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: You pal Cmelak/Hoodoo is trolling other newsgroup again ... Date: 7 Aug 2005 19:48:50 -0700 Message-ID: . com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.129.77.189 ============================================= == ============================================= == From: "PirateJohn" Newsgroups: alt.obituaries Subject: Another (dead soldier from Iraq War) family blasts Bush Date: 17 Aug 2005 14:50:50 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ----------- From: "Juan" Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration,alt.obituaries,fl.ge neral,alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: The Gaspar/Anderson obsession Date: 1 Aug 2005 08:25:30 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 God, you trolls and your multiple personalities are so ****ing naive. ---------------------------------------- From: "Billy's Daddy" Newsgroups: alt.fan.jimmy-buffett Subject: Report Abuse Date: 17 Aug 2005 10:14:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ------------------------------------------- From: "Guy Good" Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa Subject: Hoodoo wants you to know ... Date: 12 Aug 2005 14:28:19 -0700 Message-ID: .com NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245 ========================================= ========================================= Known and verified aliases: Bill Cmelak loves his Hoodoo "Bill Cmelak" "Smelly Billy" -- I'm smarter, bigger, stronger, and a lot meaner than you are. You also won't be the first person that I didn't like who I had to kill. Legally. -- john wesley gilmer III |
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