On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:59:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:

When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat
much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18',
with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took
me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran
a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp
Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here.


LOL, you know, Harry, we are dating ourselves. When I was a kid, they
didn't have big rigs, because there weren't any big rigs. Hell, a 33 1/3
Scott A****er was a *big* motor. However, I will agree, unless you are
going offshore, a small boat will get you more fish.

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:59:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:

When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat
much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18',
with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took
me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran
a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp
Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here.


LOL, you know, Harry, we are dating ourselves. When I was a kid, they
didn't have big rigs, because there weren't any big rigs. Hell, a 33 1/3
Scott A****er was a *big* motor. However, I will agree, unless you are
going offshore, a small boat will get you more fish.


The largest "modern" outboard Evinrude made for some years during the
1950s was the 25-hp BigTwin. My dad, an Evinrude dealer, had a couple of
50 hp monsters left over from the late 1940s, or maybe very early 1950s.

I remember when Evinrude jumped from 25 hp to I think 30 hp and then 33
hp and 40 hp.

Our neighbor at the beach had a beautiful 16' Lyman with a 25 hp
Evinrude. It was some boat.

Gasoline was about 19 cents a gallon in Connecticut, and you could get a
rebate on state taxes for boat use.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:31:09 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


The largest "modern" outboard Evinrude made for some years during the
1950s was the 25-hp BigTwin. My dad, an Evinrude dealer, had a couple of
50 hp monsters left over from the late 1940s, or maybe very early 1950s.

Memory lane. I had an Elgin 7 1/2 on an old 13' rowboat, but what's
interesting, I found an old 1920s era Evinrude. 22 hp, I believe. It was
a monster, and as kids are, I got it running and put it on that same
rowboat. Fortunately, it blew up before I killed myself. Fortunate then,
unfortunate now, as I'd love to have that old engine.

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:31:09 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


The largest "modern" outboard Evinrude made for some years during the
1950s was the 25-hp BigTwin. My dad, an Evinrude dealer, had a couple of
50 hp monsters left over from the late 1940s, or maybe very early 1950s.

Memory lane. I had an Elgin 7 1/2 on an old 13' rowboat, but what's
interesting, I found an old 1920s era Evinrude. 22 hp, I believe. It was
a monster, and as kids are, I got it running and put it on that same
rowboat. Fortunately, it blew up before I killed myself. Fortunate then,
unfortunate now, as I'd love to have that old engine.


My first outboards were ones my father put together from parts salvaged
from motors he had in the shop for repair and I suppose some new parts.

My very first outboard had to be from the late 1940s. It was a 1-1/2 hp
Evinrude without a recoil starter and with an exposed fuel tank. Single
cylinder. Ran like a Swiss watch. I was about seven years old, I guess,
maybe six. Before my father would let me run the motor and boat by
myself, I had to show him I could swim 100 yards. I also had to wear a
lifejacket when I was in that boat. The one time I didn't, my mother saw
me and I was "beached" for a week.

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On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote:


Do they own any recreational boats?

Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The
rest of Europe, however, falls way behind.

http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/

Denmark has 220,000 outboard-powered motorboats and 25,000 inboard-engined
motorboats. At $7/gallon, I wonder how much use they get?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote:


Do they own any recreational boats?

Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The
rest of Europe, however, falls way behind.

http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/


One of my Norwegian friends has a nice 20' or so fishing boat with a Honda
outboard. What I did notice when I was in that country was a lot of small,
dory-type, fishing boats in the harbors, pulled up on the beach, tied to
moorings, et cetera, not unlike what you see in many parts of Maine.

When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat
much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18',
with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took
me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran
a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp
Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here.

In the part of Florida I like best, NE Florida, a 14' to 18' flat-bottomed
skiff is all you need for some of the best fishing in the world. NE
Florida's ICW is unmatched for easy fishing opportunities, and the smaller
the boat, the better the opportunities. You can also use these small boats
for near shore fishing in the ocean on decent days. Were I to move back to
that area full-time, I'd buy a simple Carolina Skiff and a 75 hp four
stroke outboard, and go fishing for $5 in gas money.

I just towed my 17' Whaler to the East Coast and launched out of Haulover
Park Marina. Bakers Haulover Inlet is a terrible inlet when there's a
strong outgoing current and an onshore breeze. Seas in the pass were
confused and stacked high (about 6 feet) in your face on Saturday. I
watched a 25+ Proline take one over the bow, but decided to give it a shot
with the engine trimmed out, and the bow high. We made it just fine, and
once we cleared the pass, seas dropped to 3-4...but still in our faces. We
managed to limp out to 6 miles trolling plastics at about 6 knots, and then
the skies cleared and the seas laid flat. We ran out to 21 miles dragging
dead baits and plastics, and only managed a couple of barracuda. There was
not a single bird working bait, and the weedlines were all broken up from
the early morning storms. We stopped at the near-shore reefs and got a
small grouper, and a very large remora (thought it was a cobia while in the
water). Nobody did well that day with the dolphin or wahoo. I only heard
of one boat catching a 10 lb dolphin, and another hooking into a wahoo and
losing it to a broken hook.

At the end of the day, we had travelled close to 80 miles, with alot of it
trolling (and 2 strokes burn a lot of gas trolling)...and burned about 20
gallons of fuel. If I lived in Denmark, that'd be a $150 day. Small boat
or not, that's pretty damn expensive when you don't catch anything for the
dinner table.

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote:


Do they own any recreational boats?
Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The
rest of Europe, however, falls way behind.

http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/

One of my Norwegian friends has a nice 20' or so fishing boat with a Honda
outboard. What I did notice when I was in that country was a lot of small,
dory-type, fishing boats in the harbors, pulled up on the beach, tied to
moorings, et cetera, not unlike what you see in many parts of Maine.

When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat
much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18',
with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took
me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran
a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp
Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here.

In the part of Florida I like best, NE Florida, a 14' to 18' flat-bottomed
skiff is all you need for some of the best fishing in the world. NE
Florida's ICW is unmatched for easy fishing opportunities, and the smaller
the boat, the better the opportunities. You can also use these small boats
for near shore fishing in the ocean on decent days. Were I to move back to
that area full-time, I'd buy a simple Carolina Skiff and a 75 hp four
stroke outboard, and go fishing for $5 in gas money.

I just towed my 17' Whaler to the East Coast and launched out of Haulover
Park Marina. Bakers Haulover Inlet is a terrible inlet when there's a
strong outgoing current and an onshore breeze. Seas in the pass were
confused and stacked high (about 6 feet) in your face on Saturday. I
watched a 25+ Proline take one over the bow, but decided to give it a shot
with the engine trimmed out, and the bow high. We made it just fine, and
once we cleared the pass, seas dropped to 3-4...but still in our faces. We
managed to limp out to 6 miles trolling plastics at about 6 knots, and then
the skies cleared and the seas laid flat. We ran out to 21 miles dragging
dead baits and plastics, and only managed a couple of barracuda. There was
not a single bird working bait, and the weedlines were all broken up from
the early morning storms. We stopped at the near-shore reefs and got a
small grouper, and a very large remora (thought it was a cobia while in the
water). Nobody did well that day with the dolphin or wahoo. I only heard
of one boat catching a 10 lb dolphin, and another hooking into a wahoo and
losing it to a broken hook.

At the end of the day, we had travelled close to 80 miles, with alot of it
trolling (and 2 strokes burn a lot of gas trolling)...and burned about 20
gallons of fuel. If I lived in Denmark, that'd be a $150 day. Small boat
or not, that's pretty damn expensive when you don't catch anything for the
dinner table.




Well, you went out too far. I fish that area at least twice a year. I
just head north a mile or so and pick up the reef about between one and
two miles offshore. The last time I was there, I caught two kingfish and
a grouper. Caught the kings freelining dead cigar minnows and caught
the grouper just off the bottom. I use a borrowed boat for this trips,
and the tank is always full in the boat, so I top it off when I return.
Five bucks usually does it.

You're too much into the "macho" part of fishing, and not enough into
the "fishing" part of fishing.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:54:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote:


Do they own any recreational boats?
Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The
rest of Europe, however, falls way behind.

http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/

One of my Norwegian friends has a nice 20' or so fishing boat with a Honda
outboard. What I did notice when I was in that country was a lot of small,
dory-type, fishing boats in the harbors, pulled up on the beach, tied to
moorings, et cetera, not unlike what you see in many parts of Maine.

When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat
much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18',
with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took
me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran
a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp
Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here.

In the part of Florida I like best, NE Florida, a 14' to 18' flat-bottomed
skiff is all you need for some of the best fishing in the world. NE
Florida's ICW is unmatched for easy fishing opportunities, and the smaller
the boat, the better the opportunities. You can also use these small boats
for near shore fishing in the ocean on decent days. Were I to move back to
that area full-time, I'd buy a simple Carolina Skiff and a 75 hp four
stroke outboard, and go fishing for $5 in gas money.

I just towed my 17' Whaler to the East Coast and launched out of Haulover
Park Marina. Bakers Haulover Inlet is a terrible inlet when there's a
strong outgoing current and an onshore breeze. Seas in the pass were
confused and stacked high (about 6 feet) in your face on Saturday. I
watched a 25+ Proline take one over the bow, but decided to give it a shot
with the engine trimmed out, and the bow high. We made it just fine, and
once we cleared the pass, seas dropped to 3-4...but still in our faces. We
managed to limp out to 6 miles trolling plastics at about 6 knots, and then
the skies cleared and the seas laid flat. We ran out to 21 miles dragging
dead baits and plastics, and only managed a couple of barracuda. There was
not a single bird working bait, and the weedlines were all broken up from
the early morning storms. We stopped at the near-shore reefs and got a
small grouper, and a very large remora (thought it was a cobia while in the
water). Nobody did well that day with the dolphin or wahoo. I only heard
of one boat catching a 10 lb dolphin, and another hooking into a wahoo and
losing it to a broken hook.

At the end of the day, we had travelled close to 80 miles, with alot of it
trolling (and 2 strokes burn a lot of gas trolling)...and burned about 20
gallons of fuel. If I lived in Denmark, that'd be a $150 day. Small boat
or not, that's pretty damn expensive when you don't catch anything for the
dinner table.




Well, you went out too far. I fish that area at least twice a year. I
just head north a mile or so and pick up the reef about between one and
two miles offshore. The last time I was there, I caught two kingfish and
a grouper. Caught the kings freelining dead cigar minnows and caught
the grouper just off the bottom. I use a borrowed boat for this trips,
and the tank is always full in the boat, so I top it off when I return.
Five bucks usually does it.

You're too much into the "macho" part of fishing, and not enough into
the "fishing" part of fishing.

You're always good for a laugh, Harry!

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

John H. wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:54:05 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote:


Do they own any recreational boats?
Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do. The
rest of Europe, however, falls way behind.

http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/
One of my Norwegian friends has a nice 20' or so fishing boat with a Honda
outboard. What I did notice when I was in that country was a lot of small,
dory-type, fishing boats in the harbors, pulled up on the beach, tied to
moorings, et cetera, not unlike what you see in many parts of Maine.

When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat
much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18',
with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who took
me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years old ran
a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2 hp
Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts here.

In the part of Florida I like best, NE Florida, a 14' to 18' flat-bottomed
skiff is all you need for some of the best fishing in the world. NE
Florida's ICW is unmatched for easy fishing opportunities, and the smaller
the boat, the better the opportunities. You can also use these small boats
for near shore fishing in the ocean on decent days. Were I to move back to
that area full-time, I'd buy a simple Carolina Skiff and a 75 hp four
stroke outboard, and go fishing for $5 in gas money.
I just towed my 17' Whaler to the East Coast and launched out of Haulover
Park Marina. Bakers Haulover Inlet is a terrible inlet when there's a
strong outgoing current and an onshore breeze. Seas in the pass were
confused and stacked high (about 6 feet) in your face on Saturday. I
watched a 25+ Proline take one over the bow, but decided to give it a shot
with the engine trimmed out, and the bow high. We made it just fine, and
once we cleared the pass, seas dropped to 3-4...but still in our faces. We
managed to limp out to 6 miles trolling plastics at about 6 knots, and then
the skies cleared and the seas laid flat. We ran out to 21 miles dragging
dead baits and plastics, and only managed a couple of barracuda. There was
not a single bird working bait, and the weedlines were all broken up from
the early morning storms. We stopped at the near-shore reefs and got a
small grouper, and a very large remora (thought it was a cobia while in the
water). Nobody did well that day with the dolphin or wahoo. I only heard
of one boat catching a 10 lb dolphin, and another hooking into a wahoo and
losing it to a broken hook.

At the end of the day, we had travelled close to 80 miles, with alot of it
trolling (and 2 strokes burn a lot of gas trolling)...and burned about 20
gallons of fuel. If I lived in Denmark, that'd be a $150 day. Small boat
or not, that's pretty damn expensive when you don't catch anything for the
dinner table.



Well, you went out too far. I fish that area at least twice a year. I
just head north a mile or so and pick up the reef about between one and
two miles offshore. The last time I was there, I caught two kingfish and
a grouper. Caught the kings freelining dead cigar minnows and caught
the grouper just off the bottom. I use a borrowed boat for this trips,
and the tank is always full in the boat, so I top it off when I return.
Five bucks usually does it.

You're too much into the "macho" part of fishing, and not enough into
the "fishing" part of fishing.

You're always good for a laugh, Harry!



And, of course, you're good for nothing, or so I have heard.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:35 -0400, NOYB wrote:


Do they own any recreational boats?
Sweden and Denmark appear to own more boats per capita, than we do.
The
rest of Europe, however, falls way behind.

http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/key_mkt_facts/

One of my Norwegian friends has a nice 20' or so fishing boat with a
Honda outboard. What I did notice when I was in that country was a lot
of small, dory-type, fishing boats in the harbors, pulled up on the
beach, tied to moorings, et cetera, not unlike what you see in many
parts of Maine.

When I was a kid, hardly anyone we knew had a fishing/recreational boat
much larger than 20 or 21 feet. Most boats of that sort were 14' to 18',
with, by today's standards, modest horsepower outboards. The guy who
took me fishing several times a week when I was between 7 and 12 years
old ran a 14' dory with a 3 hp Evinrude and he later upgraded to a 5-1/2
hp Johnson. I daresay he could outfish any non-pro fisherman who posts
here.

In the part of Florida I like best, NE Florida, a 14' to 18'
flat-bottomed skiff is all you need for some of the best fishing in the
world. NE Florida's ICW is unmatched for easy fishing opportunities, and
the smaller the boat, the better the opportunities. You can also use
these small boats for near shore fishing in the ocean on decent days.
Were I to move back to that area full-time, I'd buy a simple Carolina
Skiff and a 75 hp four stroke outboard, and go fishing for $5 in gas
money.

I just towed my 17' Whaler to the East Coast and launched out of Haulover
Park Marina. Bakers Haulover Inlet is a terrible inlet when there's a
strong outgoing current and an onshore breeze. Seas in the pass were
confused and stacked high (about 6 feet) in your face on Saturday. I
watched a 25+ Proline take one over the bow, but decided to give it a
shot with the engine trimmed out, and the bow high. We made it just
fine, and once we cleared the pass, seas dropped to 3-4...but still in
our faces. We managed to limp out to 6 miles trolling plastics at about
6 knots, and then the skies cleared and the seas laid flat. We ran out
to 21 miles dragging dead baits and plastics, and only managed a couple
of barracuda. There was not a single bird working bait, and the
weedlines were all broken up from the early morning storms. We stopped
at the near-shore reefs and got a small grouper, and a very large remora
(thought it was a cobia while in the water). Nobody did well that day
with the dolphin or wahoo. I only heard of one boat catching a 10 lb
dolphin, and another hooking into a wahoo and losing it to a broken hook.

At the end of the day, we had travelled close to 80 miles, with alot of
it trolling (and 2 strokes burn a lot of gas trolling)...and burned about
20 gallons of fuel. If I lived in Denmark, that'd be a $150 day. Small
boat or not, that's pretty damn expensive when you don't catch anything
for the dinner table.




Well, you went out too far. I fish that area at least twice a year. I just
head north a mile or so and pick up the reef about between one and two
miles offshore. The last time I was there, I caught two kingfish and a
grouper.

I wasn't after those slimy, stinky kings. And I can catch grouper all day
long over on this coast. I wanted dolphin and/or wahoo for the grill.

Caught the kings freelining dead cigar minnows and caught the grouper just
off the bottom. I use a borrowed boat for this trips, and the tank is
always full in the boat, so I top it off when I return. Five bucks usually
does it.

You're too much into the "macho" part of fishing, and not enough into the
"fishing" part of fishing.

I do the "fishing" part of fishing all of the time. But I wanted to make a
run to the other side to troll the blue water. Over here, I'd have to go
150+ miles out to see the depths that I was in less than 10 miles off Miami.

This time of the year it gets boring soaking live or dead cut baits on
bottom structure weekend after weekend. I went to Miami to mix it up a
little.

In two weeks when snook season opens and the tarpon start their southern
migration, I'll be sight fishing snook and tarpon just off the beach.
That's when things get fun again.



"Men will go fishing their entire lives without knowing it is not fish
they are after." --- Henry David Thoreau. (but sometimes it is)