Harry,
Winn Dixie tried to negotiate with their Union. They were not successful.

They are now bankrupt, and the Union workers are out of a job.


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:21:02 -0400, "Harry.Krause"

wrote:

Butch Davis wrote:
Yes, it has influenced me to do more boating as the waters are now less
crowded. For the past several years I would seldom go out on weekends
as the ramps were too busy and there were just too many boats zipping
around for my taste. The ramps remain busy on weekends but it's now
much more tolerable.

I guess some folks can just about afford the boats they buy or perhaps
their circumstances have changed.

If fuel goes to $6.00 or more I may do more boat pooling for fishing
outings. Otherwise I'm good to go.

Butch
wrote in message
ups.com...
General question:

Have this summer's higher prices for marine fuel changed the way in
which you use your boat or the frequency with which you use it?

If so, how?

If not, is there a price per gallon that you believe would influence
your boating activities or frequency? How high would that be?


Me: Slow boater with very fuel efficient boat, not making any changes
to usage. Price per gallon could double or triple without driving me
off the water, (but in a 150 engine hour year I will burn les than 400
gallons of fuel).

For many boaters, fuel is simply an incidental expense, but for others
(small fast boat with a big engine) it could represent a significant
percentage of total costs.


I had a delightful time at Safeway today, pumping 75 gallons of regular
into Yo Ho and $2.43 a gallon, less a six cent discount. About $180.
Thanks, Dubya.

Isn't Safeway unionized? What's your problem?

No prob with safeway...it's using gasoline as a loss-leader. Spend $50 on
groceries in one trip, and you get six cents off per gallon, and the price
without the deal is competitive with other stations.

Safeway tried to bust its unions in California a few years ago. It did not
succeed.

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:32:40 -0400, 51 st wrote:

Harry,
Winn Dixie tried to negotiate with their Union. They were not successful.

They are now bankrupt, and the Union workers are out of a job.

Cite please? I don't believe Winn Dixie was unionized.

Labor issues were far from the biggest problems at Winn Dixie.

"51 st" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Harry,
Winn Dixie tried to negotiate with their Union. They were not successful.

They are now bankrupt, and the Union workers are out of a job.


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:21:02 -0400, "Harry.Krause"

wrote:

Butch Davis wrote:
Yes, it has influenced me to do more boating as the waters are now
less crowded. For the past several years I would seldom go out on
weekends as the ramps were too busy and there were just too many boats
zipping around for my taste. The ramps remain busy on weekends but
it's now much more tolerable.

I guess some folks can just about afford the boats they buy or perhaps
their circumstances have changed.

If fuel goes to $6.00 or more I may do more boat pooling for fishing
outings. Otherwise I'm good to go.

Butch
wrote in message
ups.com...
General question:

Have this summer's higher prices for marine fuel changed the way in
which you use your boat or the frequency with which you use it?

If so, how?

If not, is there a price per gallon that you believe would influence
your boating activities or frequency? How high would that be?


Me: Slow boater with very fuel efficient boat, not making any changes
to usage. Price per gallon could double or triple without driving me
off the water, (but in a 150 engine hour year I will burn les than
400
gallons of fuel).

For many boaters, fuel is simply an incidental expense, but for
others
(small fast boat with a big engine) it could represent a significant
percentage of total costs.


I had a delightful time at Safeway today, pumping 75 gallons of regular
into Yo Ho and $2.43 a gallon, less a six cent discount. About $180.
Thanks, Dubya.

Isn't Safeway unionized? What's your problem?

No prob with safeway...it's using gasoline as a loss-leader. Spend $50 on
groceries in one trip, and you get six cents off per gallon, and the
price without the deal is competitive with other stations.

Safeway tried to bust its unions in California a few years ago. It did
not succeed.

Doug Kanter wrote:
Labor issues were far from the biggest problems at Winn Dixie.

"51 st" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...


You're being "smithered" here, Doug.

Doug,

WD did have many management problems, but even a well managed Supermarket
Chain can not be competitive if their labor costs are not competitive or if
their employees are not able to offset their increase salary with an
increase in productivity. If WD did have a strong management team, they
would have been able to hold on for awhile longer, but they would have
continued to lose marketshare as long as their cost structure was not
competitive.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Labor issues were far from the biggest problems at Winn Dixie.

"51 st" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Harry,
Winn Dixie tried to negotiate with their Union. They were not
successful.

They are now bankrupt, and the Union workers are out of a job.


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:21:02 -0400, "Harry.Krause"

wrote:

Butch Davis wrote:
Yes, it has influenced me to do more boating as the waters are now
less crowded. For the past several years I would seldom go out on
weekends as the ramps were too busy and there were just too many
boats zipping around for my taste. The ramps remain busy on weekends
but it's now much more tolerable.

I guess some folks can just about afford the boats they buy or
perhaps their circumstances have changed.

If fuel goes to $6.00 or more I may do more boat pooling for fishing
outings. Otherwise I'm good to go.

Butch
wrote in message
ups.com...
General question:

Have this summer's higher prices for marine fuel changed the way in
which you use your boat or the frequency with which you use it?

If so, how?

If not, is there a price per gallon that you believe would influence
your boating activities or frequency? How high would that be?


Me: Slow boater with very fuel efficient boat, not making any
changes
to usage. Price per gallon could double or triple without driving me
off the water, (but in a 150 engine hour year I will burn les than
400
gallons of fuel).

For many boaters, fuel is simply an incidental expense, but for
others
(small fast boat with a big engine) it could represent a significant
percentage of total costs.


I had a delightful time at Safeway today, pumping 75 gallons of
regular into Yo Ho and $2.43 a gallon, less a six cent discount. About
$180. Thanks, Dubya.

Isn't Safeway unionized? What's your problem?

No prob with safeway...it's using gasoline as a loss-leader. Spend $50
on groceries in one trip, and you get six cents off per gallon, and the
price without the deal is competitive with other stations.

Safeway tried to bust its unions in California a few years ago. It did
not succeed.

It's all part of a big mess, including failure to update many stores.
They'll get past it, though.

"52 nd Name" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Doug,

WD did have many management problems, but even a well managed Supermarket
Chain can not be competitive if their labor costs are not competitive or
if their employees are not able to offset their increase salary with an
increase in productivity. If WD did have a strong management team, they
would have been able to hold on for awhile longer, but they would have
continued to lose marketshare as long as their cost structure was not
competitive.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Labor issues were far from the biggest problems at Winn Dixie.

"51 st" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Harry,
Winn Dixie tried to negotiate with their Union. They were not
successful.

They are now bankrupt, and the Union workers are out of a job.


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:21:02 -0400, "Harry.Krause"

wrote:

Butch Davis wrote:
Yes, it has influenced me to do more boating as the waters are now
less crowded. For the past several years I would seldom go out on
weekends as the ramps were too busy and there were just too many
boats zipping around for my taste. The ramps remain busy on
weekends but it's now much more tolerable.

I guess some folks can just about afford the boats they buy or
perhaps their circumstances have changed.

If fuel goes to $6.00 or more I may do more boat pooling for fishing
outings. Otherwise I'm good to go.

Butch
wrote in message
ups.com...
General question:

Have this summer's higher prices for marine fuel changed the way in
which you use your boat or the frequency with which you use it?

If so, how?

If not, is there a price per gallon that you believe would
influence
your boating activities or frequency? How high would that be?


Me: Slow boater with very fuel efficient boat, not making any
changes
to usage. Price per gallon could double or triple without driving
me
off the water, (but in a 150 engine hour year I will burn les than
400
gallons of fuel).

For many boaters, fuel is simply an incidental expense, but for
others
(small fast boat with a big engine) it could represent a
significant
percentage of total costs.


I had a delightful time at Safeway today, pumping 75 gallons of
regular into Yo Ho and $2.43 a gallon, less a six cent discount.
About $180. Thanks, Dubya.

Isn't Safeway unionized? What's your problem?

No prob with safeway...it's using gasoline as a loss-leader. Spend $50
on groceries in one trip, and you get six cents off per gallon, and the
price without the deal is competitive with other stations.

Safeway tried to bust its unions in California a few years ago. It did
not succeed.

Doug,
WD is closing stores as fast as they can. They will not get over this, they
will follow an organized plan of paying off their creditors by closing
stores and finally going belly up. They are on their last legs.

The only employees I knew who were worse than WD was A&P.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
It's all part of a big mess, including failure to update many stores.
They'll get past it, though.

"52 nd Name" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Doug,

WD did have many management problems, but even a well managed Supermarket
Chain can not be competitive if their labor costs are not competitive or
if their employees are not able to offset their increase salary with an
increase in productivity. If WD did have a strong management team, they
would have been able to hold on for awhile longer, but they would have
continued to lose marketshare as long as their cost structure was not
competitive.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Labor issues were far from the biggest problems at Winn Dixie.

"51 st" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Harry,
Winn Dixie tried to negotiate with their Union. They were not
successful.

They are now bankrupt, and the Union workers are out of a job.


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:21:02 -0400, "Harry.Krause"

wrote:

Butch Davis wrote:
Yes, it has influenced me to do more boating as the waters are now
less crowded. For the past several years I would seldom go out on
weekends as the ramps were too busy and there were just too many
boats zipping around for my taste. The ramps remain busy on
weekends but it's now much more tolerable.

I guess some folks can just about afford the boats they buy or
perhaps their circumstances have changed.

If fuel goes to $6.00 or more I may do more boat pooling for
fishing outings. Otherwise I'm good to go.

Butch
wrote in message
ups.com...
General question:

Have this summer's higher prices for marine fuel changed the way
in
which you use your boat or the frequency with which you use it?

If so, how?

If not, is there a price per gallon that you believe would
influence
your boating activities or frequency? How high would that be?


Me: Slow boater with very fuel efficient boat, not making any
changes
to usage. Price per gallon could double or triple without driving
me
off the water, (but in a 150 engine hour year I will burn les than
400
gallons of fuel).

For many boaters, fuel is simply an incidental expense, but for
others
(small fast boat with a big engine) it could represent a
significant
percentage of total costs.


I had a delightful time at Safeway today, pumping 75 gallons of
regular into Yo Ho and $2.43 a gallon, less a six cent discount.
About $180. Thanks, Dubya.

Isn't Safeway unionized? What's your problem?

No prob with safeway...it's using gasoline as a loss-leader. Spend $50
on groceries in one trip, and you get six cents off per gallon, and
the price without the deal is competitive with other stations.

Safeway tried to bust its unions in California a few years ago. It did
not succeed.

http://www.winndixie.com/locations/list.asp

Doug,
Thought you might like this.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
It's all part of a big mess, including failure to update many stores.
They'll get past it, though.

"52 nd Name" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Doug,

WD did have many management problems, but even a well managed Supermarket
Chain can not be competitive if their labor costs are not competitive or
if their employees are not able to offset their increase salary with an
increase in productivity. If WD did have a strong management team, they
would have been able to hold on for awhile longer, but they would have
continued to lose marketshare as long as their cost structure was not
competitive.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Labor issues were far from the biggest problems at Winn Dixie.

"51 st" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Harry,
Winn Dixie tried to negotiate with their Union. They were not
successful.

They are now bankrupt, and the Union workers are out of a job.


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:21:02 -0400, "Harry.Krause"

wrote:

Butch Davis wrote:
Yes, it has influenced me to do more boating as the waters are now
less crowded. For the past several years I would seldom go out on
weekends as the ramps were too busy and there were just too many
boats zipping around for my taste. The ramps remain busy on
weekends but it's now much more tolerable.

I guess some folks can just about afford the boats they buy or
perhaps their circumstances have changed.

If fuel goes to $6.00 or more I may do more boat pooling for
fishing outings. Otherwise I'm good to go.

Butch
wrote in message
ups.com...
General question:

Have this summer's higher prices for marine fuel changed the way
in
which you use your boat or the frequency with which you use it?

If so, how?

If not, is there a price per gallon that you believe would
influence
your boating activities or frequency? How high would that be?


Me: Slow boater with very fuel efficient boat, not making any
changes
to usage. Price per gallon could double or triple without driving
me
off the water, (but in a 150 engine hour year I will burn les than
400
gallons of fuel).

For many boaters, fuel is simply an incidental expense, but for
others
(small fast boat with a big engine) it could represent a
significant
percentage of total costs.


I had a delightful time at Safeway today, pumping 75 gallons of
regular into Yo Ho and $2.43 a gallon, less a six cent discount.
About $180. Thanks, Dubya.

Isn't Safeway unionized? What's your problem?

No prob with safeway...it's using gasoline as a loss-leader. Spend $50
on groceries in one trip, and you get six cents off per gallon, and
the price without the deal is competitive with other stations.

Safeway tried to bust its unions in California a few years ago. It did
not succeed.

52 nd Name wrote:
Doug,

WD did have many management problems, but even a well managed Supermarket
Chain can not be competitive if their labor costs are not competitive or if
their employees are not able to offset their increase salary with an
increase in productivity. If WD did have a strong management team, they
would have been able to hold on for awhile longer, but they would have
continued to lose marketshare as long as their cost structure was not
competitive.


All that may or may not be true, but, alas, your ignorance is showing,
Smithers, WD wasn't unionized.

51 st wrote:
Harry,
Winn Dixie tried to negotiate with their Union. They were not successful.

They are now bankrupt, and the Union workers are out of a job.

Bull****.