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Attn: seeray28 (need to compare notes on 05 bayliner 175
Steve,
Take a look at this post I recently made, and let me know what you think. I like your opinion since you are usually good and verbose, and full of details. Anyways, can you idle your boat (out of gear) with it warmed up and take the cover off and stick your head down on that non-manifold side and see if you got this same clacking noise I got? - 'preciate comparing notes. Thanks! Here's what I recently posted: So I finally got about 20 hours (I think) on my new 2005 Bayliner 175 Capri, and within the forst 10 hours, I noticed a noise in the engine, and it seems pretty pronounced at idle. It like a rattling noise, but the best way to describe is that it sounds just like that rattling sound of a diesel engine. I stuck my head clean down in the engine compartment, and it seems like its coming from the cover on the left side below the head (where I think the lifters are at). This is a Merc 3.0L straight 4. I'd "like" to think that it is valve lash, but that "rattling", diesel-like sound has got me worried, because in my car engine days, this sounds just like piston slap/wrist pin type noise. And when I really wedge my head down in the engine compartment, it "almost" sounds like its loudest from the back of the engine near the flywheel/coupler, but I can't say that for sure. Is this normal? - can someone shed some light on the nature of this sound, and why it sounds so much like piston/wrist pin type noise, and not like the lifter noise of the old V-8's of years gone by? Could it be just the physical layout of the Merc 3.0L straight 4 and its valve train layout? And if it is valve lash, is it normal to need adjustment after 20-ish hours on a new motor?. And one last question, does anyone know for sure if the 2005 Merc 3.0L has solid lifters, or hydralic lifters ? Is this something that Olympic Boat centers is used to doing in the fist few hours of new Merc 3.0L's ? Thanks in advance! |
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Does it sound like a loose flywheel shield rattling? Does it sound like a
starter not disengaging? does it sound like a loose engine coupler? Does it sound like a loose flywheel? Does it sound like a loose or collapsed rear motor mount? Does it sound like an exhaust shutter which has lost it's rubber edge? Could they have forgotten to lubricate the gimbal bearing? Could the lower shift cable be out of adjustment? Could your stern drive be self destructing? While you are trying to figure out what's happening, the situation could be going from bad to worse, every time you start the engine.You certainly wouldn't risk using the boat and being stranded in the middle of nowhere with a broken motor. You shouldn't have to worry about this problem. Let the dealer fix it under warranty. Jim "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Steve, Take a look at this post I recently made, and let me know what you think. I like your opinion since you are usually good and verbose, and full of details. Anyways, can you idle your boat (out of gear) with it warmed up and take the cover off and stick your head down on that non-manifold side and see if you got this same clacking noise I got? - 'preciate comparing notes. Thanks! Here's what I recently posted: So I finally got about 20 hours (I think) on my new 2005 Bayliner 175 Capri, and within the forst 10 hours, I noticed a noise in the engine, and it seems pretty pronounced at idle. It like a rattling noise, but the best way to describe is that it sounds just like that rattling sound of a diesel engine. I stuck my head clean down in the engine compartment, and it seems like its coming from the cover on the left side below the head (where I think the lifters are at). This is a Merc 3.0L straight 4. I'd "like" to think that it is valve lash, but that "rattling", diesel-like sound has got me worried, because in my car engine days, this sounds just like piston slap/wrist pin type noise. And when I really wedge my head down in the engine compartment, it "almost" sounds like its loudest from the back of the engine near the flywheel/coupler, but I can't say that for sure. Is this normal? - can someone shed some light on the nature of this sound, and why it sounds so much like piston/wrist pin type noise, and not like the lifter noise of the old V-8's of years gone by? Could it be just the physical layout of the Merc 3.0L straight 4 and its valve train layout? And if it is valve lash, is it normal to need adjustment after 20-ish hours on a new motor?. And one last question, does anyone know for sure if the 2005 Merc 3.0L has solid lifters, or hydralic lifters ? Is this something that Olympic Boat centers is used to doing in the fist few hours of new Merc 3.0L's ? Thanks in advance! |
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"JIMinFL" wrote in message ink.net... Does it sound like a loose flywheel shield rattling? Does it sound like a starter not disengaging? does it sound like a loose engine coupler? Does it sound like a loose flywheel? Does it sound like a loose or collapsed rear motor mount? Does it sound like an exhaust shutter which has lost it's rubber edge? Could they have forgotten to lubricate the gimbal bearing? Could the lower shift cable be out of adjustment? Could your stern drive be self destructing? Neither - like I said, its a "clacking" sound, that if anything, sounds just like the clack-clack-clack that you'd hear from a diesel engine (worst case). Fear being somehting like piston slap/wrist pin. Best case (at minimual), valve lifter, valve train. While you are trying to figure out what's happening, the situation could be going from bad to worse, every time you start the engine.You certainly wouldn't risk using the boat and being stranded in the middle of nowhere with a broken motor. You shouldn't have to worry about this problem. Let the dealer fix it under warranty. Jim "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Steve, Take a look at this post I recently made, and let me know what you think. I like your opinion since you are usually good and verbose, and full of details. Anyways, can you idle your boat (out of gear) with it warmed up and take the cover off and stick your head down on that non-manifold side and see if you got this same clacking noise I got? - 'preciate comparing notes. Thanks! Here's what I recently posted: So I finally got about 20 hours (I think) on my new 2005 Bayliner 175 Capri, and within the forst 10 hours, I noticed a noise in the engine, and it seems pretty pronounced at idle. It like a rattling noise, but the best way to describe is that it sounds just like that rattling sound of a diesel engine. I stuck my head clean down in the engine compartment, and it seems like its coming from the cover on the left side below the head (where I think the lifters are at). This is a Merc 3.0L straight 4. I'd "like" to think that it is valve lash, but that "rattling", diesel-like sound has got me worried, because in my car engine days, this sounds just like piston slap/wrist pin type noise. And when I really wedge my head down in the engine compartment, it "almost" sounds like its loudest from the back of the engine near the flywheel/coupler, but I can't say that for sure. Is this normal? - can someone shed some light on the nature of this sound, and why it sounds so much like piston/wrist pin type noise, and not like the lifter noise of the old V-8's of years gone by? Could it be just the physical layout of the Merc 3.0L straight 4 and its valve train layout? And if it is valve lash, is it normal to need adjustment after 20-ish hours on a new motor?. And one last question, does anyone know for sure if the 2005 Merc 3.0L has solid lifters, or hydralic lifters ? Is this something that Olympic Boat centers is used to doing in the fist few hours of new Merc 3.0L's ? Thanks in advance! |
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Don't worry, you got a warranty! Just wait until something goes "pop" or
wait until the warranty is almost over and have them figure it out then, Might even be normal noises. "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Steve, Take a look at this post I recently made, and let me know what you think. I like your opinion since you are usually good and verbose, and full of details. Anyways, can you idle your boat (out of gear) with it warmed up and take the cover off and stick your head down on that non-manifold side and see if you got this same clacking noise I got? - 'preciate comparing notes. Thanks! Here's what I recently posted: So I finally got about 20 hours (I think) on my new 2005 Bayliner 175 Capri, and within the forst 10 hours, I noticed a noise in the engine, and it seems pretty pronounced at idle. It like a rattling noise, but the best way to describe is that it sounds just like that rattling sound of a diesel engine. I stuck my head clean down in the engine compartment, and it seems like its coming from the cover on the left side below the head (where I think the lifters are at). This is a Merc 3.0L straight 4. I'd "like" to think that it is valve lash, but that "rattling", diesel-like sound has got me worried, because in my car engine days, this sounds just like piston slap/wrist pin type noise. And when I really wedge my head down in the engine compartment, it "almost" sounds like its loudest from the back of the engine near the flywheel/coupler, but I can't say that for sure. Is this normal? - can someone shed some light on the nature of this sound, and why it sounds so much like piston/wrist pin type noise, and not like the lifter noise of the old V-8's of years gone by? Could it be just the physical layout of the Merc 3.0L straight 4 and its valve train layout? And if it is valve lash, is it normal to need adjustment after 20-ish hours on a new motor?. And one last question, does anyone know for sure if the 2005 Merc 3.0L has solid lifters, or hydralic lifters ? Is this something that Olympic Boat centers is used to doing in the fist few hours of new Merc 3.0L's ? Thanks in advance! |
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its too late in the evening for me to do tonite. Ill warm it up in the
driveway when I get home wed. and let you know I think I know what sound your talking about. I refer to it as the engine sounding like a model T. I dont think that it is piston slap. The iron duke engine has been around since the mid 60's and does not have an issue with slap. But it is a hydrolic lifter engine so the valve adjustment may be off a little. But all 8 lifters? I kinda doubt it. If it was the coupler??? First coupler either work or they dont. When they dont they make an exceptionally expensive noise and smoke. So I dont think thats it. Ill nose and ear around tomorrow Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Steve, Take a look at this post I recently made, and let me know what you think. I like your opinion since you are usually good and verbose, and full of details. Anyways, can you idle your boat (out of gear) with it warmed up and take the cover off and stick your head down on that non-manifold side and see if you got this same clacking noise I got? - 'preciate comparing notes. Thanks! Here's what I recently posted: So I finally got about 20 hours (I think) on my new 2005 Bayliner 175 Capri, and within the forst 10 hours, I noticed a noise in the engine, and it seems pretty pronounced at idle. It like a rattling noise, but the best way to describe is that it sounds just like that rattling sound of a diesel engine. I stuck my head clean down in the engine compartment, and it seems like its coming from the cover on the left side below the head (where I think the lifters are at). This is a Merc 3.0L straight 4. I'd "like" to think that it is valve lash, but that "rattling", diesel-like sound has got me worried, because in my car engine days, this sounds just like piston slap/wrist pin type noise. And when I really wedge my head down in the engine compartment, it "almost" sounds like its loudest from the back of the engine near the flywheel/coupler, but I can't say that for sure. Is this normal? - can someone shed some light on the nature of this sound, and why it sounds so much like piston/wrist pin type noise, and not like the lifter noise of the old V-8's of years gone by? Could it be just the physical layout of the Merc 3.0L straight 4 and its valve train layout? And if it is valve lash, is it normal to need adjustment after 20-ish hours on a new motor?. And one last question, does anyone know for sure if the 2005 Merc 3.0L has solid lifters, or hydralic lifters ? Is this something that Olympic Boat centers is used to doing in the fist few hours of new Merc 3.0L's ? Thanks in advance! |
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"seeray28" wrote in message ... its too late in the evening for me to do tonite. Ill warm it up in the driveway when I get home wed. and let you know I think I know what sound your talking about. I refer to it as the engine sounding like a model T. Bing-****in-O!!. er, ah, opps, sorry about that, but that's EXACTLY what it sounds like!. Gosh, why didn't I come up with that. But yea, I can't describe it any better than that. I dont think that it is piston slap. The iron duke engine has been around since the mid 60's and does not have an issue with slap. But it is a hydrolic lifter engine so the valve adjustment may be off a little. But all 8 lifters? I kinda doubt it. If it was the coupler??? First coupler either work or they dont. When they dont they make an exceptionally expensive noise and smoke. So I dont think thats it. Ill nose and ear around tomorrow Steve So here's an update, and sort of the conclusion. So taking Jim's (and others in this threads) advice, I did call the dealer to schedule an appointment. and the service guy at this Olympic Boat Center was really great - we talked in depth about this. He explained the whole history of the Iron Duke, and this clacking sound. He went on to say that this is normal for this engine, and in fact, he told me of another customer that just brought the same boat in a couple days ago for the same thing. This service manager himself said he went out in the pit to listen to it when they brought it in, and the customer (much like me) was worried about valve tappet adjustment, so they went and did the full valve adjustment, and he himself went back out in the pit to listen to it afterwords, and he said he couldn't tell the difference. He said there "might" have been a difference, but it was so minute, that you couldn't tell for sure if it made a difference. Basically, the dealer told me to go out and have fun, keep the oil changed and clean, and bring it in during the winter if I'm still worried about it, (and get it winterized). He says this proven platform is bulletproof, and you'd be hard pressed to hurt it. Worst case, if it scatters, you'd get a new motor under warranty. But wait!, there's more... As I "think" I heard Steve say before, the idle really was too low for my liking, so I bumped the idle screw maybe 1/8 turn (if even that), and that helped a LOT!. I haven't had it in the water since the new idle adjustment, but it seems MUCH better (and quieter), and I'll bet I didn't increase the idle but 75 Rpm's. Amazing. So I conclude this: Its a noisy valve train by the natural design of the ole "Iron Duke", and excessively low idle was making it clack itself to death since it always seemed like if was on the very edge of stalling. So thanks to all - not gonna worry about it any more, let it clack a bit at idle, and let er rip on the open lake and have fun! "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Steve, Take a look at this post I recently made, and let me know what you think. I like your opinion since you are usually good and verbose, and full of details. Anyways, can you idle your boat (out of gear) with it warmed up and take the cover off and stick your head down on that non-manifold side and see if you got this same clacking noise I got? - 'preciate comparing notes. Thanks! Here's what I recently posted: So I finally got about 20 hours (I think) on my new 2005 Bayliner 175 Capri, and within the forst 10 hours, I noticed a noise in the engine, and it seems pretty pronounced at idle. It like a rattling noise, but the best way to describe is that it sounds just like that rattling sound of a diesel engine. I stuck my head clean down in the engine compartment, and it seems like its coming from the cover on the left side below the head (where I think the lifters are at). This is a Merc 3.0L straight 4. I'd "like" to think that it is valve lash, but that "rattling", diesel-like sound has got me worried, because in my car engine days, this sounds just like piston slap/wrist pin type noise. And when I really wedge my head down in the engine compartment, it "almost" sounds like its loudest from the back of the engine near the flywheel/coupler, but I can't say that for sure. Is this normal? - can someone shed some light on the nature of this sound, and why it sounds so much like piston/wrist pin type noise, and not like the lifter noise of the old V-8's of years gone by? Could it be just the physical layout of the Merc 3.0L straight 4 and its valve train layout? And if it is valve lash, is it normal to need adjustment after 20-ish hours on a new motor?. And one last question, does anyone know for sure if the 2005 Merc 3.0L has solid lifters, or hydralic lifters ? Is this something that Olympic Boat centers is used to doing in the fist few hours of new Merc 3.0L's ? Thanks in advance! |
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Also, forgot to ask...
I found your posts when you first got your boat, and was "experimenting" with different props... So what was the final conclusion? - are you back to the original factory prop, or something else? Also, and so I know, what is the size of the factory prop? Thanks. "seeray28" wrote in message ... its too late in the evening for me to do tonite. Ill warm it up in the driveway when I get home wed. and let you know I think I know what sound your talking about. I refer to it as the engine sounding like a model T. I dont think that it is piston slap. The iron duke engine has been around since the mid 60's and does not have an issue with slap. But it is a hydrolic lifter engine so the valve adjustment may be off a little. But all 8 lifters? I kinda doubt it. If it was the coupler??? First coupler either work or they dont. When they dont they make an exceptionally expensive noise and smoke. So I dont think thats it. Ill nose and ear around tomorrow Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Steve, Take a look at this post I recently made, and let me know what you think. I like your opinion since you are usually good and verbose, and full of details. Anyways, can you idle your boat (out of gear) with it warmed up and take the cover off and stick your head down on that non-manifold side and see if you got this same clacking noise I got? - 'preciate comparing notes. Thanks! Here's what I recently posted: So I finally got about 20 hours (I think) on my new 2005 Bayliner 175 Capri, and within the forst 10 hours, I noticed a noise in the engine, and it seems pretty pronounced at idle. It like a rattling noise, but the best way to describe is that it sounds just like that rattling sound of a diesel engine. I stuck my head clean down in the engine compartment, and it seems like its coming from the cover on the left side below the head (where I think the lifters are at). This is a Merc 3.0L straight 4. I'd "like" to think that it is valve lash, but that "rattling", diesel-like sound has got me worried, because in my car engine days, this sounds just like piston slap/wrist pin type noise. And when I really wedge my head down in the engine compartment, it "almost" sounds like its loudest from the back of the engine near the flywheel/coupler, but I can't say that for sure. Is this normal? - can someone shed some light on the nature of this sound, and why it sounds so much like piston/wrist pin type noise, and not like the lifter noise of the old V-8's of years gone by? Could it be just the physical layout of the Merc 3.0L straight 4 and its valve train layout? And if it is valve lash, is it normal to need adjustment after 20-ish hours on a new motor?. And one last question, does anyone know for sure if the 2005 Merc 3.0L has solid lifters, or hydralic lifters ? Is this something that Olympic Boat centers is used to doing in the fist few hours of new Merc 3.0L's ? Thanks in advance! |
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Im back withthe original prop 13x21. I refuse to go with a stainless steel
prop, here on the river you stand a good chance of hitting a log or a body. I would rather the prop destroy itself rather than the outdrive "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Also, forgot to ask... I found your posts when you first got your boat, and was "experimenting" with different props... So what was the final conclusion? - are you back to the original factory prop, or something else? Also, and so I know, what is the size of the factory prop? Thanks. "seeray28" wrote in message ... its too late in the evening for me to do tonite. Ill warm it up in the driveway when I get home wed. and let you know I think I know what sound your talking about. I refer to it as the engine sounding like a model T. I dont think that it is piston slap. The iron duke engine has been around since the mid 60's and does not have an issue with slap. But it is a hydrolic lifter engine so the valve adjustment may be off a little. But all 8 lifters? I kinda doubt it. If it was the coupler??? First coupler either work or they dont. When they dont they make an exceptionally expensive noise and smoke. So I dont think thats it. Ill nose and ear around tomorrow Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Steve, Take a look at this post I recently made, and let me know what you think. I like your opinion since you are usually good and verbose, and full of details. Anyways, can you idle your boat (out of gear) with it warmed up and take the cover off and stick your head down on that non-manifold side and see if you got this same clacking noise I got? - 'preciate comparing notes. Thanks! Here's what I recently posted: So I finally got about 20 hours (I think) on my new 2005 Bayliner 175 Capri, and within the forst 10 hours, I noticed a noise in the engine, and it seems pretty pronounced at idle. It like a rattling noise, but the best way to describe is that it sounds just like that rattling sound of a diesel engine. I stuck my head clean down in the engine compartment, and it seems like its coming from the cover on the left side below the head (where I think the lifters are at). This is a Merc 3.0L straight 4. I'd "like" to think that it is valve lash, but that "rattling", diesel-like sound has got me worried, because in my car engine days, this sounds just like piston slap/wrist pin type noise. And when I really wedge my head down in the engine compartment, it "almost" sounds like its loudest from the back of the engine near the flywheel/coupler, but I can't say that for sure. Is this normal? - can someone shed some light on the nature of this sound, and why it sounds so much like piston/wrist pin type noise, and not like the lifter noise of the old V-8's of years gone by? Could it be just the physical layout of the Merc 3.0L straight 4 and its valve train layout? And if it is valve lash, is it normal to need adjustment after 20-ish hours on a new motor?. And one last question, does anyone know for sure if the 2005 Merc 3.0L has solid lifters, or hydralic lifters ? Is this something that Olympic Boat centers is used to doing in the fist few hours of new Merc 3.0L's ? Thanks in advance! |
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The sound you are hearing is the valve lifters. I just got done running the
engine for 20minutes at 175degrees. Its definitly coming from where the lifter covers are. But the engine runs good so I am not going to worry about it I am more concerned with the crappy idle and other scary things described here http://p076.ezboard.com/fbocwebfrm33...icID=313.topic I think once my warranty expires that is going to happen (read the thread) "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Also, forgot to ask... I found your posts when you first got your boat, and was "experimenting" with different props... So what was the final conclusion? - are you back to the original factory prop, or something else? Also, and so I know, what is the size of the factory prop? Thanks. "seeray28" wrote in message ... its too late in the evening for me to do tonite. Ill warm it up in the driveway when I get home wed. and let you know I think I know what sound your talking about. I refer to it as the engine sounding like a model T. I dont think that it is piston slap. The iron duke engine has been around since the mid 60's and does not have an issue with slap. But it is a hydrolic lifter engine so the valve adjustment may be off a little. But all 8 lifters? I kinda doubt it. If it was the coupler??? First coupler either work or they dont. When they dont they make an exceptionally expensive noise and smoke. So I dont think thats it. Ill nose and ear around tomorrow Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Steve, Take a look at this post I recently made, and let me know what you think. I like your opinion since you are usually good and verbose, and full of details. Anyways, can you idle your boat (out of gear) with it warmed up and take the cover off and stick your head down on that non-manifold side and see if you got this same clacking noise I got? - 'preciate comparing notes. Thanks! Here's what I recently posted: So I finally got about 20 hours (I think) on my new 2005 Bayliner 175 Capri, and within the forst 10 hours, I noticed a noise in the engine, and it seems pretty pronounced at idle. It like a rattling noise, but the best way to describe is that it sounds just like that rattling sound of a diesel engine. I stuck my head clean down in the engine compartment, and it seems like its coming from the cover on the left side below the head (where I think the lifters are at). This is a Merc 3.0L straight 4. I'd "like" to think that it is valve lash, but that "rattling", diesel-like sound has got me worried, because in my car engine days, this sounds just like piston slap/wrist pin type noise. And when I really wedge my head down in the engine compartment, it "almost" sounds like its loudest from the back of the engine near the flywheel/coupler, but I can't say that for sure. Is this normal? - can someone shed some light on the nature of this sound, and why it sounds so much like piston/wrist pin type noise, and not like the lifter noise of the old V-8's of years gone by? Could it be just the physical layout of the Merc 3.0L straight 4 and its valve train layout? And if it is valve lash, is it normal to need adjustment after 20-ish hours on a new motor?. And one last question, does anyone know for sure if the 2005 Merc 3.0L has solid lifters, or hydralic lifters ? Is this something that Olympic Boat centers is used to doing in the fist few hours of new Merc 3.0L's ? Thanks in advance! |
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On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 00:51:35 -0700, "Mr Wizzard" wrote:
Steve, Take a look at this post I recently made, and let me know what you think. I like your opinion since you are usually good and verbose, and full of details. Anyways, can you idle your boat (out of gear) with it warmed up and take the cover off and stick your head down on that non-manifold side and see if you got this same clacking noise I got? - 'preciate comparing notes. Thanks! Here's what I recently posted: So I finally got about 20 hours (I think) on my new 2005 Bayliner 175 Capri, and within the forst 10 hours, I noticed a noise in the engine, and it seems pretty pronounced at idle. It like a rattling noise, but the best way to describe is that it sounds just like that rattling sound of a diesel engine. I stuck my head clean down in the engine compartment, and it seems like its coming from the cover on the left side below the head (where I think the lifters are at). This is a Merc 3.0L straight 4. I'd "like" to think that it is valve lash, but that "rattling", diesel-like sound has got me worried, because in my car engine days, this sounds just like piston slap/wrist pin type noise. And when I really wedge my head down in the engine compartment, it "almost" sounds like its loudest from the back of the engine near the flywheel/coupler, but I can't say that for sure. Is this normal? - can someone shed some light on the nature of this sound, and why it sounds so much like piston/wrist pin type noise, and not like the lifter noise of the old V-8's of years gone by? Could it be just the physical layout of the Merc 3.0L straight 4 and its valve train layout? And if it is valve lash, is it normal to need adjustment after 20-ish hours on a new motor?. And one last question, does anyone know for sure if the 2005 Merc 3.0L has solid lifters, or hydralic lifters ? Is this something that Olympic Boat centers is used to doing in the fist few hours of new Merc 3.0L's ? Thanks in advance! Get a LONG screwdriver. Hold the handle against your ear and put the blade at various points on the engine. You'll soon find where the sound is coming from. The longer the screwdriver, the more places you can reach. This works almost like a stethoscope (sp?). -- John H. On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD |
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