Most people with a decent head on their shoulders use "OT"... I'd recommend
filtering based on subject..... many folks who post political bandwidth
waste also are some of the most knowledgeable...

-j


"Ernie" wrote in message
.. .
Here is my solution to all those non-rec.boats messages - I add the
individuals to my delete filter list and they no longer bother me. The
messages are few, but they do deal with rec.boats.
It's too bad that I am adding some who contribute to this group, but it's
the only way I can keep this group straight.

If some of you have a better idea, I would like to hear from you

"Chris Newport" wrote in message
news:1347265.86acdFPb2h@callisto...
On Friday 21 May 2004 10:53 pm in rec.boats Harry Krause wrote:

I guess I missed all "Tigger's" contributions to this newsgroup...

You were probably too busy being a total asshole posting your foreign
(to most of us) politics here where it is not welcome.
You have the best politicians that money can buy - either live with it
or get elected and change it.

Clue No 1: rec.* is an international hierarchy. Local usian issues
belong elsewhere.

Everybody's gotta start somewhere.. that's one of the reasons *I* started
using this group.. ; )

-j


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
bb wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2004 14:16:49 GMT, wrote:


It is a lost cause... A few people here just use this as their own
playground, and the topic of cleaning up comes up every few months.


Actually, the topic is brought up more on a weekly basis.


In the end, the only comments you will receive are around "Well, YOU
seem to be posting off topic,


Oh, I see plenty of people who agree with the complaints about off
topic posts.


or What about YOU...."


Well, that's a valid question to the complainers. What have they done
to improve the group? How many on topic posts have they made before
complaining?



Very few if any. Most of the whiners want to suck down whatever
knowledge there may be here about boats, without donating anything they
know, assuming tney know anything worth knowing. Which is doubtful,
since they don't contribute, for the most part.

On Sat, 22 May 2004 12:01:29 -0400, "Jay" wrote:

Everybody's gotta start somewhere.. that's one of the reasons *I* started
using this group.. ; )

-j

Nothing wrong with that. Nobody was born knowing about boats, and
none of us know it all (I'm being humble here). There's lots of good
information available on rec.boats.

bb

Jay wrote:

Everybody's gotta start somewhere.. that's one of the reasons *I* started
using this group.. ; )

-j


"


Well, good. Stay in the water...it's just wet!

Subject: boats people, BOATS!!!
From: "Tiger"

snip

There, now it's an ON topic post.

Capt. Bill

"bb" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 14:16:49 GMT, wrote:

It is a lost cause... A few people here just use this as their own
playground, and the topic of cleaning up comes up every few months.

Actually, the topic is brought up more on a weekly basis.

In the end, the only comments you will receive are around "Well, YOU
seem to be posting off topic,

Oh, I see plenty of people who agree with the complaints about off
topic posts.

or What about YOU...."

Well, that's a valid question to the complainers. What have they done
to improve the group? How many on topic posts have they made before
complaining?

Well, I think it's kinda rude for these folks to jump up and tell the
majority of posters here to stfu. Heck, take a little personal
responsibility before trying to make everyone else change. Use a
filter. Have a little will power and not read the posts you find
offensive. It's not that hard to spot the off topic posts, or those
who consistently have nothing but vinegar to spew.

I suspect new ones come in, see the
mess, and leave.

That's how things work. All groups can't be all things to all people.
This group is what it is and it's not going to change because some
newby stumbles on in and doesn't like the dynamics of the group. If
it did change to satisfy the newby, the next newby to stumble on in
wouldn't like what they found and would want things to change to
satisfy their view of what rec.boats should be.

You make some valid points, but I disagree with the above statment. ALL
newbies come in here expecting topics on boating. NO one expects to find
half of the content to be political. I don't want to change this group,
just change those that think this is alt.politics. If I would be
successful, I can guarantee you no other Newby would come in here wanting to
change it back to politics, or anything other than boating for that mater.
If this group were about nothing but sailing, I wouldn't have said a thing.
Though it wouldn't have met my expectations, it would still be ON topic.

It is what it is. If you don't like what's here, and can't modify
your own behavior so you get something positive from it, it's best to
keep looking among the other 30,000 or so groups to choose from.

bb

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
bb wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2004 14:16:49 GMT, wrote:


It is a lost cause... A few people here just use this as their own
playground, and the topic of cleaning up comes up every few months.


Actually, the topic is brought up more on a weekly basis.


In the end, the only comments you will receive are around "Well, YOU
seem to be posting off topic,


Oh, I see plenty of people who agree with the complaints about off
topic posts.


or What about YOU...."


Well, that's a valid question to the complainers. What have they done
to improve the group? How many on topic posts have they made before
complaining?



Very few if any. Most of the whiners want to suck down whatever
knowledge there may be here about boats, without donating anything they
know, assuming tney know anything worth knowing. Which is doubtful,
since they don't contribute, for the most part.

Harry, ever stop to think that most of the newbie whiners are exactly
that... NEW at boating. Most of them CAN'T donate any useful knowledge
until they gain some by "sucking down" some of the posts here. In addition,
if a newbie would "donate" information and it wasn't 100% correct, guys like
you would jump down their throat telling them what a stupid idiot they are.

I haven't been here long, but I can tell you that I have donated to this
message board on a few occasions. I find it hard to "suck down" as much
knowledge as I had hoped though, because most of it is OT political garbage.

There is nothing new under the sun, so they say. The same is true for
wrecked boats. Every boating subject has been hashed and rehashed a dozen
times. Therefore, if you need info, do a google search on the subject wanted
on rec.boats and read the results, therefore avoiding the remarks of a few
incredibly ignorant people.
Gordon

"bb" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 12:01:29 -0400, "Jay" wrote:

Everybody's gotta start somewhere.. that's one of the reasons *I* started
using this group.. ; )

-j

Nothing wrong with that. Nobody was born knowing about boats, and
none of us know it all (I'm being humble here). There's lots of good
information available on rec.boats.

bb

Gordon wrote:

There is nothing new under the sun, so they say. The same is true for
wrecked boats. Every boating subject has been hashed and rehashed a dozen
times. Therefore, if you need info, do a google search on the subject wanted
on rec.boats and read the results, therefore avoiding the remarks of a few
incredibly ignorant people.
Gordon

"bb" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 22 May 2004 12:01:29 -0400, "Jay" wrote:


Everybody's gotta start somewhere.. that's one of the reasons *I* started
using this group.. ; )

-j

Nothing wrong with that. Nobody was born knowing about boats, and
none of us know it all (I'm being humble here). There's lots of good
information available on rec.boats.

bb





You're right, Gordon...I've been reading some of your recent
boating-oriented posts here and I found...well, I didn't find anything
of interest.

bb wrote in message . ..
On Sat, 22 May 2004 12:01:29 -0400, "Jay" wrote:

Everybody's gotta start somewhere.. that's one of the reasons *I* started
using this group.. ; )

-j

Nothing wrong with that. Nobody was born knowing about boats, and
none of us know it all (I'm being humble here).


Calif Bill THINKS he does! Just ask him!!