Perhaps. But I just don't think that this was a proper thing for Chuck to
post. It could lead to some terrible things for the person he is talking
about (if it ever got back to him) and has no business here as it is nothing
but gossip.

I am not going to send the link to anyone. I just wanted to let Chuck know
that his post was not appropriate.




"Mr. R. Name" wrote in message
...
JimH,
I think you are getting carried away here.


"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

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*JimH* wrote:
I would think that the person you are talking about would love to get a
copy
of this post and thread to his lawyer.

Shame on you for spreading rumors about someone without any basis of
fact
Chuck.


Great idea. If you know who it is, why not send him one?
If you don't, then it would appear that there isn't sufficient
information in the post to identify anyone, right?

In fact, the only people who would know who the post referred to would
be people who had seen the specific photograph and who happen to know
the individual it appears to depict. That photo exists without my
comment upon it- and as I said I do hope that if the guy is married
it's to the woman on the foredeck. That goes for any man shirtless man
photographed on a boat with a shapely young woman in a bathing suit.

So sue me. :-)

I'm so glad to see that you subscribe to a standard opposed to making
statements about people without any basis in fact.



Are you saying you would like for me to send a copy of your post via
email to the dozen or so greater Seattle boat dealers who do not sell
Bayliners, or are you saying that you made a mistake in posting this?

I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the dealers,
but asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not
want to be sent?

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
I would think that the person you are talking about would love to get a
copy
of this post and thread to his lawyer.

Shame on you for spreading rumors about someone without any basis of
fact
Chuck.


Great idea. If you know who it is, why not send him one?
If you don't, then it would appear that there isn't sufficient
information in the post to identify anyone, right?

In fact, the only people who would know who the post referred to would
be people who had seen the specific photograph and who happen to know
the individual it appears to depict. That photo exists without my
comment upon it- and as I said I do hope that if the guy is married
it's to the woman on the foredeck. That goes for any man shirtless man
photographed on a boat with a shapely young woman in a bathing suit.

So sue me. :-)

I'm so glad to see that you subscribe to a standard opposed to making
statements about people without any basis in fact.



Are you saying you would like for me to send a copy of your post via email
to the dozen or so greater Seattle boat dealers who do not sell Bayliners,
or are you saying that you made a mistake in posting this?

I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the dealers,
but asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not
want to be sent?

Chuck is involved with publishing, so I suspect he knows better than you do
what he can get away with. If you want to debate this, find someone who
matches your qualifications in this area. How about the sponge next to your
kitchen sink?

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
I would think that the person you are talking about would love to get a
copy
of this post and thread to his lawyer.

Shame on you for spreading rumors about someone without any basis of fact
Chuck.


Great idea. If you know who it is, why not send him one?
If you don't, then it would appear that there isn't sufficient
information in the post to identify anyone, right?

In fact, the only people who would know who the post referred to would
be people who had seen the specific photograph and who happen to know
the individual it appears to depict. That photo exists without my
comment upon it- and as I said I do hope that if the guy is married
it's to the woman on the foredeck. That goes for any man shirtless man
photographed on a boat with a shapely young woman in a bathing suit.

So sue me. :-)

I'm so glad to see that you subscribe to a standard opposed to making
statements about people without any basis in fact.



Are you saying you would like for me to send a copy of your post via email
to the dozen or so greater Seattle boat dealers who do not sell Bayliners,
or are you saying that you made a mistake in posting this?

I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the dealers, but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not want to
be sent?


Fire away, JimH.

I stated that the party on the cover is either an individual associated
with a non-Bayliner dealership or a dead ringer for that person- and it
is.

I stated that if it is the individual it appears to be, there is a good
chance he did not know he was being photographed in a competitor's
boat. I stated that if the gentleman did not know he was being
photogrpahed, I certainly hope that if he is married it is to the woman
in the bathing suit on the foredeck.

Let's see- first you hope I get sued for slander and you now suggest
that my comments be sent to every non-Bayliner dealer in the area? Are
you OK today? No fever, or anything, I hope?

Question: Who has been damaged by the observation and my comments in
this thread? What is the party's name? What boat dealership or product
line is he associated with? What remarks were made that would reflect
in any way on persons or firms not depicted in the photo?

Just because you consider me a major asshole, that doesn't mean that a
post carefully crafted to *avoid* specfically identifying the person by
name has done anybody any harm. People who see the cover shot and know
the individual it appears to feature may draw the same amused
conclusion as I have- others will wonder who it is, just as you are
doing, and if they don't know who it is- or appears to be- they won't
hear the name from me.

wrote in message
ups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
I would think that the person you are talking about would love to get
a
copy
of this post and thread to his lawyer.

Shame on you for spreading rumors about someone without any basis of
fact
Chuck.


Great idea. If you know who it is, why not send him one?
If you don't, then it would appear that there isn't sufficient
information in the post to identify anyone, right?

In fact, the only people who would know who the post referred to would
be people who had seen the specific photograph and who happen to know
the individual it appears to depict. That photo exists without my
comment upon it- and as I said I do hope that if the guy is married
it's to the woman on the foredeck. That goes for any man shirtless man
photographed on a boat with a shapely young woman in a bathing suit.

So sue me. :-)

I'm so glad to see that you subscribe to a standard opposed to making
statements about people without any basis in fact.



Are you saying you would like for me to send a copy of your post via
email
to the dozen or so greater Seattle boat dealers who do not sell
Bayliners,
or are you saying that you made a mistake in posting this?

I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not want
to
be sent?


Fire away, JimH.

I stated that the party on the cover is either an individual associated
with a non-Bayliner dealership or a dead ringer for that person- and it
is.

I stated that if it is the individual it appears to be, there is a good
chance he did not know he was being photographed in a competitor's
boat. I stated that if the gentleman did not know he was being
photogrpahed, I certainly hope that if he is married it is to the woman
in the bathing suit on the foredeck.

Let's see- first you hope I get sued for slander

Where did I say that Chuck? A lie and an exaggeration.


..............and you now suggest
that my comments be sent to every non-Bayliner dealer in the area?

Nope, all I asked is if you would approve of it being sent and being proud
of what you said. Again, more lies and exaggerations on your part...but not
surprising.

Are
you OK today? No fever, or anything, I hope?


I am fine. I am not the one starting girlie gossips about a boat dealership
owner/executive I know and work with. I am also not in the boating business
nor do I do rely on relationships with boat dealership owners in the Seattle
area with my business.



Question: Who has been damaged by the observation and my comments in
this thread? What is the party's name? What boat dealership or product
line is he associated with? What remarks were made that would reflect
in any way on persons or firms not depicted in the photo?

Just because you consider me a major asshole, that doesn't mean that a
post carefully crafted to *avoid* specfically identifying the person by
name has done anybody any harm. People who see the cover shot and know
the individual it appears to feature may draw the same amused
conclusion as I have- others will wonder who it is, just as you are
doing, and if they don't know who it is- or appears to be- they won't
hear the name from me.


I repeat my original question Chuck, a question you never answered:

"I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the dealers, but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not want to
be sent?"

Seems like a simple enough question for you to answer.

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
I would think that the person you are talking about would love to get
a
copy
of this post and thread to his lawyer.

Shame on you for spreading rumors about someone without any basis of
fact
Chuck.


Great idea. If you know who it is, why not send him one?
If you don't, then it would appear that there isn't sufficient
information in the post to identify anyone, right?

In fact, the only people who would know who the post referred to would
be people who had seen the specific photograph and who happen to know
the individual it appears to depict. That photo exists without my
comment upon it- and as I said I do hope that if the guy is married
it's to the woman on the foredeck. That goes for any man shirtless man
photographed on a boat with a shapely young woman in a bathing suit.

So sue me. :-)

I'm so glad to see that you subscribe to a standard opposed to making
statements about people without any basis in fact.



Are you saying you would like for me to send a copy of your post via
email
to the dozen or so greater Seattle boat dealers who do not sell
Bayliners,
or are you saying that you made a mistake in posting this?

I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not want
to
be sent?


Fire away, JimH.

I stated that the party on the cover is either an individual associated
with a non-Bayliner dealership or a dead ringer for that person- and it
is.

I stated that if it is the individual it appears to be, there is a good
chance he did not know he was being photographed in a competitor's
boat. I stated that if the gentleman did not know he was being
photogrpahed, I certainly hope that if he is married it is to the woman
in the bathing suit on the foredeck.

Let's see- first you hope I get sued for slander

Where did I say that Chuck? A lie and an exaggeration.


..............and you now suggest
that my comments be sent to every non-Bayliner dealer in the area?

Nope, all I asked is if you would approve of it being sent and being proud
of what you said. Again, more lies and exaggerations on your part...but not
surprising.

Are
you OK today? No fever, or anything, I hope?


I am fine. I am not the one starting girlie gossips about a boat dealership
owner/executive I know and work with. I am also not in the boating business
nor do I do rely on relationships with boat dealership owners in the Seattle
area with my business.



Question: Who has been damaged by the observation and my comments in
this thread? What is the party's name? What boat dealership or product
line is he associated with? What remarks were made that would reflect
in any way on persons or firms not depicted in the photo?

Just because you consider me a major asshole, that doesn't mean that a
post carefully crafted to *avoid* specfically identifying the person by
name has done anybody any harm. People who see the cover shot and know
the individual it appears to feature may draw the same amused
conclusion as I have- others will wonder who it is, just as you are
doing, and if they don't know who it is- or appears to be- they won't
hear the name from me.


I repeat my original question Chuck, a question you never answered:

"I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the dealers, but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not want to
be sent?"

Seems like a simple enough question for you to answer.


I thought "fire away" would have been plain enough for you.

There is nothing in any portion of this thread that identifies a
specific individual or business. If I had said "Joe Blow of Joe Blow
Watercraft appears to be on the cover of a competing magazine piloting
a brand of boat he doesn't sell, and as far as I know he's screwing
around on his wife,"
you'd have an issue. But I didn't, you don't, and there's nothing to
apologize for because I have not damaged anybody. The post reports a
funny situation, without identifying the individual invovled any more
specifically than the fact that he is not a Bayliner dealer. As the
original post states, there's also a chance it could just be a dead
ringer for the individual in question, (which would almost make it even
funnier). There's nothing to retract.

If the answer still seem obscure, let me know.

wrote in message
ps.com...


*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
I would think that the person you are talking about would love to
get
a
copy
of this post and thread to his lawyer.

Shame on you for spreading rumors about someone without any basis
of
fact
Chuck.


Great idea. If you know who it is, why not send him one?
If you don't, then it would appear that there isn't sufficient
information in the post to identify anyone, right?

In fact, the only people who would know who the post referred to
would
be people who had seen the specific photograph and who happen to
know
the individual it appears to depict. That photo exists without my
comment upon it- and as I said I do hope that if the guy is married
it's to the woman on the foredeck. That goes for any man shirtless
man
photographed on a boat with a shapely young woman in a bathing suit.

So sue me. :-)

I'm so glad to see that you subscribe to a standard opposed to
making
statements about people without any basis in fact.



Are you saying you would like for me to send a copy of your post via
email
to the dozen or so greater Seattle boat dealers who do not sell
Bayliners,
or are you saying that you made a mistake in posting this?

I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the
dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not
want
to
be sent?


Fire away, JimH.

I stated that the party on the cover is either an individual associated
with a non-Bayliner dealership or a dead ringer for that person- and it
is.

I stated that if it is the individual it appears to be, there is a good
chance he did not know he was being photographed in a competitor's
boat. I stated that if the gentleman did not know he was being
photogrpahed, I certainly hope that if he is married it is to the woman
in the bathing suit on the foredeck.

Let's see- first you hope I get sued for slander

Where did I say that Chuck? A lie and an exaggeration.


..............and you now suggest
that my comments be sent to every non-Bayliner dealer in the area?

Nope, all I asked is if you would approve of it being sent and being
proud
of what you said. Again, more lies and exaggerations on your part...but
not
surprising.

Are
you OK today? No fever, or anything, I hope?


I am fine. I am not the one starting girlie gossips about a boat
dealership
owner/executive I know and work with. I am also not in the boating
business
nor do I do rely on relationships with boat dealership owners in the
Seattle
area with my business.



Question: Who has been damaged by the observation and my comments in
this thread? What is the party's name? What boat dealership or product
line is he associated with? What remarks were made that would reflect
in any way on persons or firms not depicted in the photo?

Just because you consider me a major asshole, that doesn't mean that a
post carefully crafted to *avoid* specfically identifying the person by
name has done anybody any harm. People who see the cover shot and know
the individual it appears to feature may draw the same amused
conclusion as I have- others will wonder who it is, just as you are
doing, and if they don't know who it is- or appears to be- they won't
hear the name from me.


I repeat my original question Chuck, a question you never answered:

"I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not want
to
be sent?"

Seems like a simple enough question for you to answer.


I thought "fire away" would have been plain enough for you.

There is nothing in any portion of this thread that identifies a
specific individual or business. If I had said "Joe Blow of Joe Blow
Watercraft appears to be on the cover of a competing magazine piloting
a brand of boat he doesn't sell, and as far as I know he's screwing
around on his wife,"
you'd have an issue. But I didn't, you don't, and there's nothing to
apologize for because I have not damaged anybody. The post reports a
funny situation, without identifying the individual invovled any more
specifically than the fact that he is not a Bayliner dealer. As the
original post states, there's also a chance it could just be a dead
ringer for the individual in question, (which would almost make it even
funnier). There's nothing to retract.

If the answer still seem obscure, let me know.


I figured that a spin such as the one you posted would be your final answer.
Fair enough.

Facts: The publication in question is regional (as you stated). However
you chose to make it an international story by posting it to this
NG......and you posted your name (and reputation) to it by posting it
here.....bad call Chuck. Real bad call.

But at least we now know where you stand on spreading rumors about folks
that you work with that could ruin their life.

What a guy you are!

*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ps.com...


*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...


*JimH* wrote:
I would think that the person you are talking about would love to
get
a
copy
of this post and thread to his lawyer.

Shame on you for spreading rumors about someone without any basis
of
fact
Chuck.


Great idea. If you know who it is, why not send him one?
If you don't, then it would appear that there isn't sufficient
information in the post to identify anyone, right?

In fact, the only people who would know who the post referred to
would
be people who had seen the specific photograph and who happen to
know
the individual it appears to depict. That photo exists without my
comment upon it- and as I said I do hope that if the guy is married
it's to the woman on the foredeck. That goes for any man shirtless
man
photographed on a boat with a shapely young woman in a bathing suit.

So sue me. :-)

I'm so glad to see that you subscribe to a standard opposed to
making
statements about people without any basis in fact.



Are you saying you would like for me to send a copy of your post via
email
to the dozen or so greater Seattle boat dealers who do not sell
Bayliners,
or are you saying that you made a mistake in posting this?

I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the
dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not
want
to
be sent?


Fire away, JimH.

I stated that the party on the cover is either an individual associated
with a non-Bayliner dealership or a dead ringer for that person- and it
is.

I stated that if it is the individual it appears to be, there is a good
chance he did not know he was being photographed in a competitor's
boat. I stated that if the gentleman did not know he was being
photogrpahed, I certainly hope that if he is married it is to the woman
in the bathing suit on the foredeck.

Let's see- first you hope I get sued for slander

Where did I say that Chuck? A lie and an exaggeration.


..............and you now suggest
that my comments be sent to every non-Bayliner dealer in the area?

Nope, all I asked is if you would approve of it being sent and being
proud
of what you said. Again, more lies and exaggerations on your part...but
not
surprising.

Are
you OK today? No fever, or anything, I hope?


I am fine. I am not the one starting girlie gossips about a boat
dealership
owner/executive I know and work with. I am also not in the boating
business
nor do I do rely on relationships with boat dealership owners in the
Seattle
area with my business.



Question: Who has been damaged by the observation and my comments in
this thread? What is the party's name? What boat dealership or product
line is he associated with? What remarks were made that would reflect
in any way on persons or firms not depicted in the photo?

Just because you consider me a major asshole, that doesn't mean that a
post carefully crafted to *avoid* specfically identifying the person by
name has done anybody any harm. People who see the cover shot and know
the individual it appears to feature may draw the same amused
conclusion as I have- others will wonder who it is, just as you are
doing, and if they don't know who it is- or appears to be- they won't
hear the name from me.


I repeat my original question Chuck, a question you never answered:

"I am not saying that I would send the link of your post to the dealers,
but
asking if you think there was anything you posted that you would not want
to
be sent?"

Seems like a simple enough question for you to answer.


I thought "fire away" would have been plain enough for you.

There is nothing in any portion of this thread that identifies a
specific individual or business. If I had said "Joe Blow of Joe Blow
Watercraft appears to be on the cover of a competing magazine piloting
a brand of boat he doesn't sell, and as far as I know he's screwing
around on his wife,"
you'd have an issue. But I didn't, you don't, and there's nothing to
apologize for because I have not damaged anybody. The post reports a
funny situation, without identifying the individual invovled any more
specifically than the fact that he is not a Bayliner dealer. As the
original post states, there's also a chance it could just be a dead
ringer for the individual in question, (which would almost make it even
funnier). There's nothing to retract.

If the answer still seem obscure, let me know.


I figured that a spin such as the one you posted would be your final answer.
Fair enough.

Facts: The publication in question is regional (as you stated). However
you chose to make it an international story by posting it to this
NG......and you posted your name (and reputation) to it by posting it
here.....bad call Chuck. Real bad call.

But at least we now know where you stand on spreading rumors about folks
that you work with that could ruin their life.

What a guy you are!


Round and round we go.

Please provide a straight answer here. Who is the "rumor" about? In
order to "ruin a life" one would have to know which life to ruin,
correct?

Once past that: What is the nature of the "rumor" itself? What is my
alleged working relationship with this individual, and how does my
comment that he (or a dead ringer) appears on a magazine cover "ruin
his life".

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:49:45 -0400, *JimH* wrote:

Perhaps. But I just don't think that this was a proper thing for Chuck to
post. It could lead to some terrible things for the person he is talking
about (if it ever got back to him) and has no business here as it is
nothing but gossip.

Uh, Jim, what are the chances it is *not* going to get back to him? If
any terrible things happen, I suspect it is because the photo is on the
*cover* of a boating magazine, not because of Chuck's post in this little
newsgroup.

I am not going to send the link to anyone. I just wanted to
let Chuck
know that his post was not appropriate.