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P. Fritz wrote:

Noted is how doug ran from the draft question..........only
liebrals
in
congress have been calling for a draft.


Another idiotic, fact free statement from Fritz!!! Here's the truth,
Fritz, taking for account that you can comprehend anything:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.3598:


That comes up blank for me, at least in Netscape. Wanna summarize it?

It's a bill that calls for mandatory military *training* and *education*
for
all males aged 18-22. There is no provision in the bill to transfer a
trainee to active duty and ship him over seas...although there is a
provision to complete the training in a "national service program".

It's hardly a "draft".

http://tinyurl.com/c4x3f


Poor Kevin.....shoot and misses once again.

Which is why he never responded to Doug when Doug asked him to summarize it.

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P. Fritz wrote:

Noted is how doug ran from the draft question..........only liebrals
in
congress have been calling for a draft.


Another idiotic, fact free statement from Fritz!!! Here's the truth,
Fritz, taking for account that you can comprehend anything:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.3598:


That comes up blank for me, at least in Netscape. Wanna summarize it?

It's a bill that calls for mandatory military *training* and *education* for
all males aged 18-22. There is no provision in the bill to transfer a
trainee to active duty and ship him over seas...although there is a
provision to complete the training in a "national service program".

It's hardly a "draft".

I take it that you didn't comprehend THIS part:
SEC. 3. BASIC MILITARY TRAINING AND EDUCATION.

(a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG MEN- It is the obligation of every male
citizen of the United States, and every other male person residing in
the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 22 to receive
basic military training and education as a member of the armed forces
unless the citizen or person is exempted under the provisions of this
Act

Notice the "as a member of the armed forces" part? As a "member of the
armed forces", you do what you are told. You'd have no more right to
refuse to go war than the "members of the armed forces" do right now.

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Is that good enough for you, Doug?


No, it's not.

By the way, why do you suppose this sort of violence was not going on
before we arrived? Keep in mind that your first response will probably
be flung out the window, and go for the second response, to save us all
some time.

First response: because you're in idiot (I figured I had a freebie there
since you already told me you were throwing it out).

Second response: because bin Laden's goal (as described by his 1996
Fatwa) was to toss the U.S. out of the Middle East, sieze control of
Saudi Arabia, and use its oil to finance an Islamic state. The problems
with his plan arose when we voluntarily surrendered Saudi Arabia and
planted 170,000 troops in the 2nd most oil-rich country in the
region...which just so happens to be on the border of the #1 oil-rich
country that bin Laden and his fellow Salifis hoped to sieze.

Great! But, I thought we were supposed to give the Iraqi people a safer,
more civilized country.

We got them started, but it's up to them to build that themselves.

Your president said "Mission Accomplished". When do you think this goal
might be achieved?

When US oil imports from Iraq equal or exceed imports from Saudi Arabia.

Good, you're finally admitting that Bush lied when He said "Mission
Accomplished". Now you are saying what he MEANT was *some time, in
several years, it will be mission accomplished???

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P. Fritz wrote:

Noted is how doug ran from the draft question..........only liebrals
in
congress have been calling for a draft.


Another idiotic, fact free statement from Fritz!!! Here's the truth,
Fritz, taking for account that you can comprehend anything:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.3598:


That comes up blank for me, at least in Netscape. Wanna summarize it?

It's a bill that calls for mandatory military *training* and *education*
for
all males aged 18-22. There is no provision in the bill to transfer a
trainee to active duty and ship him over seas...although there is a
provision to complete the training in a "national service program".

It's hardly a "draft".

http://tinyurl.com/c4x3f


Poor Kevin.....shoot and misses once again.

Uh, sorry, idiot. Perhaps you didn't comprehend this part:
SEC. 3. BASIC MILITARY TRAINING AND EDUCATION.

(a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG MEN- It is the obligation of every male
citizen of the United States, and every other male person residing in
the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 22 to receive
basic military training and education as a member of the armed forces
unless the citizen or person is exempted under the provisions of this
Act

Notice "as a member of the armed forces".. Do you see that part,
dumbass? Do members of the armed forces get to say that they don't want
to go to war????

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P. Fritz wrote:

Noted is how doug ran from the draft question..........only
liebrals
in
congress have been calling for a draft.


Another idiotic, fact free statement from Fritz!!! Here's the truth,
Fritz, taking for account that you can comprehend anything:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.3598:


That comes up blank for me, at least in Netscape. Wanna summarize it?

It's a bill that calls for mandatory military *training* and *education*
for
all males aged 18-22. There is no provision in the bill to transfer a
trainee to active duty and ship him over seas...although there is a
provision to complete the training in a "national service program".

It's hardly a "draft".

http://tinyurl.com/c4x3f


Poor Kevin.....shoot and misses once again.

Which is why he never responded to Doug when Doug asked him to summarize it.

See below, idiot.

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P. Fritz wrote:

Noted is how doug ran from the draft question..........only
liebrals
in
congress have been calling for a draft.


Another idiotic, fact free statement from Fritz!!! Here's the truth,
Fritz, taking for account that you can comprehend anything:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.3598:


That comes up blank for me, at least in Netscape. Wanna summarize it?

It's a bill that calls for mandatory military *training* and *education*
for
all males aged 18-22. There is no provision in the bill to transfer a
trainee to active duty and ship him over seas...although there is a
provision to complete the training in a "national service program".

It's hardly a "draft".

I take it that you didn't comprehend THIS part:
SEC. 3. BASIC MILITARY TRAINING AND EDUCATION.

(a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG MEN- It is the obligation of every male
citizen of the United States, and every other male person residing in
the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 22 to receive
basic military training and education as a member of the armed forces
unless the citizen or person is exempted under the provisions of this
Act

Notice the "as a member of the armed forces" part? As a "member of the
armed forces", you do what you are told. You'd have no more right to
refuse to go war than the "members of the armed forces" do right now.

It calls for "training and education" and possible participation in a
"national service program". There is no provision for conscription into
active duty.

Regardless, you posted this as a red herring to attempt to show that the
Republicans are trying to create a draft. Besides the very simple fact that
this isn't a draft, the bill never passed. Since Republicans control the
House, if they supported the bill, it would have passed. Ergo, they don't
support the mandatory military training bill...nor do they support a draft.

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Is that good enough for you, Doug?


No, it's not.

By the way, why do you suppose this sort of violence was not going on
before we arrived? Keep in mind that your first response will
probably be flung out the window, and go for the second response, to
save us all some time.

First response: because you're in idiot (I figured I had a freebie
there since you already told me you were throwing it out).

Second response: because bin Laden's goal (as described by his 1996
Fatwa) was to toss the U.S. out of the Middle East, sieze control of
Saudi Arabia, and use its oil to finance an Islamic state. The
problems with his plan arose when we voluntarily surrendered Saudi
Arabia and planted 170,000 troops in the 2nd most oil-rich country in
the region...which just so happens to be on the border of the #1
oil-rich country that bin Laden and his fellow Salifis hoped to sieze.

Great! But, I thought we were supposed to give the Iraqi people a
safer, more civilized country.

We got them started, but it's up to them to build that themselves.

Your president said "Mission Accomplished". When do you think this goal
might be achieved?

When US oil imports from Iraq equal or exceed imports from Saudi Arabia.



This is wonderful. You've finally admitted that everything on your
president's list of reasons was nonsense.

I didn't "finally" admit it. I said that it was about oil three years
ago.

There's a difference between YOU saying it was the oil, and your president
NOT saying it. He insulted everyone in this country, including you, by
providing a bull**** list of reasons. Worse, you'd vote for him again.

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As far as physical handicaps, the
military contains just about every type of job that exists for civilians.
If you can work outside the military, you can work within it.

I guess that depends on the severity of the handicap, doesn't it? There
are all sorts of people who don't work in the civilian world due to
physical and/or mental handicaps.

Gee whiz - I guess it does, but we're not talking about extremes here, like
someone who spends their days strapped in a wheelchair with severe CP. We're
talking about things that someone can point to and say "It hurts if I lift
too much sometimes".

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Is that good enough for you, Doug?


No, it's not.

By the way, why do you suppose this sort of violence was not going
on before we arrived? Keep in mind that your first response will
probably be flung out the window, and go for the second response, to
save us all some time.

First response: because you're in idiot (I figured I had a freebie
there since you already told me you were throwing it out).

Second response: because bin Laden's goal (as described by his 1996
Fatwa) was to toss the U.S. out of the Middle East, sieze control of
Saudi Arabia, and use its oil to finance an Islamic state. The
problems with his plan arose when we voluntarily surrendered Saudi
Arabia and planted 170,000 troops in the 2nd most oil-rich country in
the region...which just so happens to be on the border of the #1
oil-rich country that bin Laden and his fellow Salifis hoped to
sieze.

Great! But, I thought we were supposed to give the Iraqi people a
safer, more civilized country.

We got them started, but it's up to them to build that themselves.

Your president said "Mission Accomplished". When do you think this goal
might be achieved?

When US oil imports from Iraq equal or exceed imports from Saudi
Arabia.



This is wonderful. You've finally admitted that everything on your
president's list of reasons was nonsense.

I didn't "finally" admit it. I said that it was about oil three years
ago.

There's a difference between YOU saying it was the oil, and your president
NOT saying it. He insulted everyone in this country, including you, by
providing a bull**** list of reasons. Worse, you'd vote for him again.

....and again after that.

I guess I'll just have to settle on voting for his brother.

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Is that good enough for you, Doug?


No, it's not.

By the way, why do you suppose this sort of violence was not going on
before we arrived? Keep in mind that your first response will
probably
be flung out the window, and go for the second response, to save us
all
some time.

First response: because you're in idiot (I figured I had a freebie
there
since you already told me you were throwing it out).

Second response: because bin Laden's goal (as described by his 1996
Fatwa) was to toss the U.S. out of the Middle East, sieze control of
Saudi Arabia, and use its oil to finance an Islamic state. The
problems
with his plan arose when we voluntarily surrendered Saudi Arabia and
planted 170,000 troops in the 2nd most oil-rich country in the
region...which just so happens to be on the border of the #1 oil-rich
country that bin Laden and his fellow Salifis hoped to sieze.

Great! But, I thought we were supposed to give the Iraqi people a
safer,
more civilized country.

We got them started, but it's up to them to build that themselves.

Your president said "Mission Accomplished". When do you think this goal
might be achieved?

When US oil imports from Iraq equal or exceed imports from Saudi Arabia.

Good, you're finally admitting that Bush lied when He said "Mission
Accomplished". Now you are saying what he MEANT was *some time, in
several years, it will be mission accomplished???


No. The mission was to remove Saddam so we could station our troops in his
country. And we have done just that.