"Genius? Not!" wrote in message
m...

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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It's a bill that calls for mandatory military *training* and *education*
for all males aged 18-22. There is no provision in the bill to transfer
a trainee to active duty and ship him over seas...although there is a
provision to complete the training in a "national service program".

It's hardly a "draft".

http://tinyurl.com/c4x3f


It should be defeated on its face. Mandatory "military" training indeed,
and only for males? B.S.

We need a draft.


Harry,
Why do we need a draft?


To increase the likelihood that the children of our elected representatives
are represented among the dead.

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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Genius? Not! wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
It's a bill that calls for mandatory military *training* and
*education* for all males aged 18-22. There is no provision in the
bill to transfer a trainee to active duty and ship him over
seas...although there is a provision to complete the training in a
"national service program".

It's hardly a "draft".

http://tinyurl.com/c4x3f

It should be defeated on its face. Mandatory "military" training indeed,
and only for males? B.S.

We need a draft.


Harry,
Why do we need a draft?


TO end the war against Iraq and to chill any further attempts by Bush for
military aggression.

The kind of draft I have in mind would require the registration without
except of EVERY citizen between the ages of 18 and 30, and a lottery would
be held among the registrants to fulfill military requirements.
NO exemptions except for serious physical or emotional-mental
disabilities. No special status for college students. No deferments for
any reason.

That will, the sons and daughters of wealthy Republicans will be drafted,
along with the sons and daughters of the poor. The rich will not want
their children fighting in a war of aggression, and will not allow Bush to
start any more wars not provably crucial to our national survival.

An all-encompassing draft is the great equalizer, in that it allows the
sons and daughters of the rich to come home in body bags, too. That tends
to put a chill on military expansionism for political purposes.

That's what I thought that statement was about. I'm a latecomer to these
discussions and have to do some guessing about what's been said before my
attention was piqued. By the way, I know it's off topic, but this thread
was interesting to follow from the start. There's more to you guys than
just boats; pretty cool.

I'll admit right up front that I don't want my son drafted or trained or
educated for anyone for any reason other than our country has been invaded
by a foreign army; in which case I'll take up arms with all my fellow
countrymen including my children. I'm kind of partial to keeping my son
alive.

"Genius? Not!" wrote in message
...

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
Genius? Not! wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
It's a bill that calls for mandatory military *training* and
*education* for all males aged 18-22. There is no provision in the
bill to transfer a trainee to active duty and ship him over
seas...although there is a provision to complete the training in a
"national service program".

It's hardly a "draft".

http://tinyurl.com/c4x3f

It should be defeated on its face. Mandatory "military" training
indeed, and only for males? B.S.

We need a draft.


Harry,
Why do we need a draft?


TO end the war against Iraq and to chill any further attempts by Bush for
military aggression.

The kind of draft I have in mind would require the registration without
except of EVERY citizen between the ages of 18 and 30, and a lottery
would be held among the registrants to fulfill military requirements.
NO exemptions except for serious physical or emotional-mental
disabilities. No special status for college students. No deferments for
any reason.

That will, the sons and daughters of wealthy Republicans will be drafted,
along with the sons and daughters of the poor. The rich will not want
their children fighting in a war of aggression, and will not allow Bush
to start any more wars not provably crucial to our national survival.

An all-encompassing draft is the great equalizer, in that it allows the
sons and daughters of the rich to come home in body bags, too. That tends
to put a chill on military expansionism for political purposes.

That's what I thought that statement was about. I'm a latecomer to these
discussions and have to do some guessing about what's been said before my
attention was piqued. By the way, I know it's off topic, but this thread
was interesting to follow from the start. There's more to you guys than
just boats; pretty cool.

I'll admit right up front that I don't want my son drafted or trained or
educated for anyone for any reason other than our country has been invaded
by a foreign army; in which case I'll take up arms with all my fellow
countrymen including my children. I'm kind of partial to keeping my son
alive.


Yeah....sons have more value as yard slaves when they're alive. And, I don't
know about your son, but without mine, I'd be deprived of some of the
stupidest, long & drawn out arguments imaginable. Even worse than what goes
on here sometimes. :-)

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
Genius? Not! wrote:

I'll admit right up front that I don't want my son drafted or trained or
educated for anyone for any reason other than our country has been
invaded by a foreign army; in which case I'll take up arms with all my
fellow countrymen including my children. I'm kind of partial to keeping
my son alive.


Well, a true universal draft would put the screws to a military
expansionist like Bush. I'd go a bit beyond you and add draftees if it
were clear a real war was coming soon. I wouldn't want until we were
invaded.

But to invade a country as uninvolved in 9-11 as Iraq was, and on trumped
up reasons? No. If there were a universal draft, the parents would NOT let
someone like Bush send their kids overseas to die.

I'd like to see Bush read the names of the dead each day on TV, without
being permitted to say ANYTHING else. No condolences, no apologies, no
bull****. Just "Today's dead...", and then read the names.

HarryKrause wrote:
Genius? Not! wrote:

I'll admit right up front that I don't want my son drafted or trained
or educated for anyone for any reason other than our country has been
invaded by a foreign army; in which case I'll take up arms with all my
fellow countrymen including my children. I'm kind of partial to
keeping my son alive.



Well, a true universal draft would put the screws to a military
expansionist like Bush. I'd go a bit beyond you and add draftees if it
were clear a real war was coming soon. I wouldn't want until we were
invaded.

But to invade a country as uninvolved in 9-11 as Iraq was, and on
trumped up reasons? No. If there were a universal draft, the parents
would NOT let someone like Bush send their kids overseas to die.

It seems that once young impressionable people sign on that dotted
line...their lives are worthless. They are just cannon fodder to be used
up & spit out by the establishment.

Doug Kanter wrote:
"Genius? Not!" wrote in message
...

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...

Genius? Not! wrote:

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...

It's a bill that calls for mandatory military *training* and
*education* for all males aged 18-22. There is no provision in the
bill to transfer a trainee to active duty and ship him over
seas...although there is a provision to complete the training in a
"national service program".

It's hardly a "draft".

http://tinyurl.com/c4x3f

It should be defeated on its face. Mandatory "military" training
indeed, and only for males? B.S.

We need a draft.


Harry,
Why do we need a draft?


TO end the war against Iraq and to chill any further attempts by Bush for
military aggression.

The kind of draft I have in mind would require the registration without
except of EVERY citizen between the ages of 18 and 30, and a lottery
would be held among the registrants to fulfill military requirements.
NO exemptions except for serious physical or emotional-mental
disabilities. No special status for college students. No deferments for
any reason.

That will, the sons and daughters of wealthy Republicans will be drafted,
along with the sons and daughters of the poor. The rich will not want
their children fighting in a war of aggression, and will not allow Bush
to start any more wars not provably crucial to our national survival.

An all-encompassing draft is the great equalizer, in that it allows the
sons and daughters of the rich to come home in body bags, too. That tends
to put a chill on military expansionism for political purposes.

That's what I thought that statement was about. I'm a latecomer to these
discussions and have to do some guessing about what's been said before my
attention was piqued. By the way, I know it's off topic, but this thread
was interesting to follow from the start. There's more to you guys than
just boats; pretty cool.

I'll admit right up front that I don't want my son drafted or trained or
educated for anyone for any reason other than our country has been invaded
by a foreign army; in which case I'll take up arms with all my fellow
countrymen including my children. I'm kind of partial to keeping my son
alive.



Yeah....sons have more value as yard slaves when they're alive. And, I don't
know about your son, but without mine, I'd be deprived of some of the
stupidest, long & drawn out arguments imaginable. Even worse than what goes
on here sometimes. :-)


Please..in your worst nightmares, don't compare your son to the likes of
JimH, Bert, Smithers, Fritz etc. He may act up now and again...but
there's hope for him once he's in his twenties and been on his own for a
while. It's called maturing..your son will do it but the process had
passed by the other characters mentioned above.

"Don White" wrote in message
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Yeah....sons have more value as yard slaves when they're alive. And, I
don't know about your son, but without mine, I'd be deprived of some of
the stupidest, long & drawn out arguments imaginable. Even worse than
what goes on here sometimes. :-)
Please..in your worst nightmares, don't compare your son to the likes of
JimH, Bert, Smithers, Fritz etc. He may act up now and again...but
there's hope for him once he's in his twenties and been on his own for a
while. It's called maturing..your son will do it but the process had
passed by the other characters mentioned above.

A friend keeps reminding me that my son knows everything at his age. :-) I'd
forgotten.

Example: He's learning guitar. I play bass. Last week, he asked if I knew
"Foxy Lady". I said I'd been humming it regularly since 1970, had never
played it, but I knew it revolved around a certain set of chords, plus
Hendrix' endless flourishes. My son says "Well....to your untrained ear, it
probably seems that way...." My friend had to run into the other room
because she was trying to keep from laughing a mouthful of coffee all over
the living room carpet. My son and I debated the song a bit and he went back
to the sheet music.

Two days later, he had his guitar lesson. He said the same thing to the
teacher, who straightened him out. My son's comment to me: "You might have
been right about those chords". Might have. :-)

Tonight will be interesting. The city of Rochester offers some great free
concerts at an outdoor venue. Tonights band is Little Feat. My son says
we're not going. I say we are. He says we're not. I say we are. No way to
settle it conversationally. So, I'm picking him up from his guitar lesson
and once he's in the car, I'm telling him I don't feel like cooking and
we're going out to eat. Not really true, not really false. There are lots of
food vendors at these concerts. So, in reality, it's out to dinner, with
background music. Lots of restaurants have music. In this case, it's live
music.

I'm assuming he won't jump to his death from a moving vehicle to avoid
seeing a band which, a month from now, he may admit that he liked. :-)

Doug Kanter wrote:

A friend keeps reminding me that my son knows everything at his age. :-) I'd
forgotten.

Example: He's learning guitar. I play bass. Last week, he asked if I knew
"Foxy Lady". I said I'd been humming it regularly since 1970, had never
played it, but I knew it revolved around a certain set of chords, plus
Hendrix' endless flourishes. My son says "Well....to your untrained ear, it
probably seems that way...." My friend had to run into the other room
because she was trying to keep from laughing a mouthful of coffee all over
the living room carpet. My son and I debated the song a bit and he went back
to the sheet music.

Two days later, he had his guitar lesson. He said the same thing to the
teacher, who straightened him out. My son's comment to me: "You might have
been right about those chords". Might have. :-)

Tonight will be interesting. The city of Rochester offers some great free
concerts at an outdoor venue. Tonights band is Little Feat. My son says
we're not going. I say we are. He says we're not. I say we are. No way to
settle it conversationally. So, I'm picking him up from his guitar lesson
and once he's in the car, I'm telling him I don't feel like cooking and
we're going out to eat. Not really true, not really false. There are lots of
food vendors at these concerts. So, in reality, it's out to dinner, with
background music. Lots of restaurants have music. In this case, it's live
music.

I'm assuming he won't jump to his death from a moving vehicle to avoid
seeing a band which, a month from now, he may admit that he liked. :-)



Funny how they get that way, always have to buck the old man. My
youngest just graduated from university and at 24 he will still go
opposite almost anything I say.
In the good 'ole days you could give them a whuppin to straighten them
out...now you just do your best and hope for the best.

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:

I'm assuming he won't jump to his death from a moving vehicle to avoid
seeing a band which, a month from now, he may admit that he liked. :-)

Funny how they get that way, always have to buck the old man. My youngest
just graduated from university and at 24 he will still go opposite almost
anything I say.
In the good 'ole days you could give them a whuppin to straighten them
out...now you just do your best and hope for the best.

I like the anecdote I heard:
In the beginning the young son saw his father as a hero.
In adolscence and twenties the son saw his father as an embarrassing fool.
As a parent the son said to his father, "You know, Dad, the older I get the
smarter you were!"

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:36:03 GMT, Don White wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

A friend keeps reminding me that my son knows everything at his age. :-) I'd
forgotten.

Example: He's learning guitar. I play bass. Last week, he asked if I knew
"Foxy Lady". I said I'd been humming it regularly since 1970, had never
played it, but I knew it revolved around a certain set of chords, plus
Hendrix' endless flourishes. My son says "Well....to your untrained ear, it
probably seems that way...." My friend had to run into the other room
because she was trying to keep from laughing a mouthful of coffee all over
the living room carpet. My son and I debated the song a bit and he went back
to the sheet music.

Two days later, he had his guitar lesson. He said the same thing to the
teacher, who straightened him out. My son's comment to me: "You might have
been right about those chords". Might have. :-)

Tonight will be interesting. The city of Rochester offers some great free
concerts at an outdoor venue. Tonights band is Little Feat. My son says
we're not going. I say we are. He says we're not. I say we are. No way to
settle it conversationally. So, I'm picking him up from his guitar lesson
and once he's in the car, I'm telling him I don't feel like cooking and
we're going out to eat. Not really true, not really false. There are lots of
food vendors at these concerts. So, in reality, it's out to dinner, with
background music. Lots of restaurants have music. In this case, it's live
music.

I'm assuming he won't jump to his death from a moving vehicle to avoid
seeing a band which, a month from now, he may admit that he liked. :-)



Funny how they get that way, always have to buck the old man. My
youngest just graduated from university and at 24 he will still go
opposite almost anything I say.
In the good 'ole days you could give them a whuppin to straighten them
out...now you just do your best and hope for the best.

When I was teaching 8th graders, I would tell the parents, on parent orientation
night, that adolescence was a genetic defect. For kids it was a rough time. For
parents it was worse. I further explained that I'd raised to daughters and that
I had some good news.

It only lasted until the kids were about 26 years old!

You've only got two years to go. He'll grow out of it!

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD