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San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html

P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"John H." wrote in message
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On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

poor kevin.......still with a death grip on the title of "King of the NG
idiots"

"The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.
In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's reputation
for embracing the peace movement"

It is pretty hard to interpret this in any other way.


--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"John H." wrote in message
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On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

It didn't say gays and lesbians were necessarily big participants in the
peace movement, silly. It said the military treats gays and lesbians badly,
which is true. Since the city's got a large and politically astute gay
population.......do you need any more of an explanation?

Alrighty, then! We'll gladly take her here in Stockton! I hope she likes
green water! And we pretty much run the Valley for the locals as a whole,
not any particular group such as gays, the handicapped, Samoan southpaws,
the transgendered, the illegals, the... (did I miss anyone!?) So far, the
Valley is not officially a nuclear free zone nor a haven for illegals.
(yeah, right!) Our local leaders are not quite so stupid and liberal as SF
leaders. Yet.
--
Dale Gillespie

My Homepage: www.FishWisher.com
My RV Site: http://groups.msn.com/CoachpotatosRV..._whatsnew.msnw

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:30:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

It didn't say gays and lesbians were necessarily big participants in the
peace movement, silly. It said the military treats gays and lesbians badly,
which is true. Since the city's got a large and politically astute gay
population.......do you need any more of an explanation?


The peace movement is a big deal in SF. Gays and lesbians are a big deal in SF.
I'll bet there's a big overlap. If they are treated so badly, why do they
persist in wanting to join the military?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:42:41 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:


P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html

I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.
If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

It didn't say gays and lesbians were necessarily big participants in the
peace movement, silly. It said the military treats gays and lesbians badly,
which is true. Since the city's got a large and politically astute gay
population.......do you need any more of an explanation?




These derelicts typically are financial losers for cities. There was a
move to do the same thing with the carrier Saratoga in Jacksonville
after it was decided to mothball the ship. No matter how the supporters
of the idea spun it, they couldn't come up with a plan that was
financially feasible without taxpayer subsidy.

It's a waste of money.

And a waste of valuable waterfront.

I wonder why the SF folks didn't realize that and just say so?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:02:09 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

--
Let's pray the United States survives the rest of Bush's term.

Let's don't and see what happens!

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:37:58 -0400, "P. Fritz"
wrote:

San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.


I personally invite the USS Iowa to berth alongside the USS North
Carolina in the Cape Fear River in Wilmington, NC. In the 50's, we
school children collected money to save BB-55.

I feel the same protective spirit towards BB-61.

--


Thumbs up!!!

We have an old sub (USS Cod, WWII, http://www.usscod.org/ ) and an old ore
carrier (SS William Mather
http://wgmather.nhlink.net/ed/guide/..._overview.html ) in Cleveland
docks for tours.

For a community to turn down a tired yet highly decorated warship (as an in
the water museum) is a real shame, especially considering the reasons they
offered. Iowa earned nine battle stars for World War II service and two
for Korean service.

Screw San Francisco.

History of the USS Iowa he

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/...a/bb61-ia.html

"John H." wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:30:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H." wrote in message
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On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

It didn't say gays and lesbians were necessarily big participants in the
peace movement, silly. It said the military treats gays and lesbians
badly,
which is true. Since the city's got a large and politically astute gay
population.......do you need any more of an explanation?


The peace movement is a big deal in SF. Gays and lesbians are a big deal
in SF.
I'll bet there's a big overlap. If they are treated so badly, why do they
persist in wanting to join the military?

Probably for the same reason you did. Why do you assume their patriotic
feelings are any different? And, just like the straight population, some
join because assuming you don't dead, there are some financial benefits
after you escape.

"P. Fritz" wrote in message

San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

I hope they - and everyone else - remember their disdain for things military
the next time a Richter 9.5 comes strolling down Market. Tell the
Engineering Battalions, the Army Medical folks, the National Guard, and - oh
yes - FEMA (and their funds), that SF will take care of itself, thank you
very much, and you nasty warmonger types can just go on leave somewhere.

John H. wrote:

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

--
John H.

It's simple, but then again, so are you. It's called EQUALITY,
something conservatives don't want, and don't know about.

P. Fritz wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

poor kevin.......still with a death grip on the title of "King of the NG
idiots"

"The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.
In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's reputation
for embracing the peace movement"

It is pretty hard to interpret this in any other way.


Then, I'll ask again. Why, if this article is true, would S.F. have the
Pampanito and the Jeremiah O'Brian in full view, at Fisherman's
Wharf?????

P. Fritz wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship, officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

poor kevin.......still with a death grip on the title of "King of the NG
idiots"


Here, this shows what an idiot you are.:
http://www.maritime.org/pamphome.htm for the Pampanito
http://www.ssjeremiahobrien.org/ For the Jeremia O'Brien.

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P. Fritz wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to
berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and
turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship,
officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also
now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

poor kevin.......still with a death grip on the title of "King of the NG
idiots"

"The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.
In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement"

It is pretty hard to interpret this in any other way.


Then, I'll ask again. Why, if this article is true, would S.F. have the
Pampanito and the Jeremiah O'Brian in full view, at Fisherman's
Wharf?????


Different Board of Sups!

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:42:41 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
...
On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:

P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to
berth the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and
turn it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship,
officials in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html
I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also
now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.
If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.
It didn't say gays and lesbians were necessarily big participants in
the peace movement, silly. It said the military treats gays and
lesbians badly, which is true. Since the city's got a large and
politically astute gay population.......do you need any more of an
explanation?


These derelicts typically are financial losers for cities. There was a
move to do the same thing with the carrier Saratoga in Jacksonville
after it was decided to mothball the ship. No matter how the supporters
of the idea spun it, they couldn't come up with a plan that was
financially feasible without taxpayer subsidy.

It's a waste of money.

And a waste of valuable waterfront.

I wonder why the SF folks didn't realize that and just say so?


Dunno, don't have any details of the SF situation regarding the ship.

There are far better ways to use the SF waterfront.

--
Let's pray the United States survives the rest of Bush's term.

Yes, build more condos. More Pier 39's. More resting places for the excess
furbags (sealions).

Amazing how little freeboard the BB's had. I fish next to it at times. Is
in the Moth Ball fleet anchoring area near Martinez.
Bill

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:37:58 -0400, "P. Fritz"
wrote:

San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.


I personally invite the USS Iowa to berth alongside the USS North
Carolina in the Cape Fear River in Wilmington, NC. In the 50's, we
school children collected money to save BB-55.

I feel the same protective spirit towards BB-61.

--

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P. Fritz wrote:
"John H." wrote in message
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On 14 Jul 2005 13:04:43 -0700, wrote:



P. Fritz wrote:
San Francisco city leaders don't want the USS Iowa in the city.

The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to
berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and
turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.

In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war
in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement.

But while San Francisco officials don't want the battleship,
officials
in
Stockton would welcome the Iowa.

The San Joaquin County city supports a bill that would authorize
transferring the Iowa from the Navy to the Port of Stockton.

http://www.nbc11.com/news/4718679/detail.html


I say horse****! The USS Pampanito, a submarine, is there, and also
now
I believe that the Jeremiah O'Brian is there, too.

If gays and lesbians are such proponents of the peace movement, why
do
they
persist in their demands for access to the military? Maybe some
knowledgeable
liberal could answer that for me.

poor kevin.......still with a death grip on the title of "King of the
NG
idiots"

"The Board of Supervisors voted 8-3 on Tuesday against a plan to berth
the
World War II era battleship on the city's historic waterfront and turn
it
into a museum and tourist attraction.
In turning away the Iowa, supervisors cited opposition to the war in
Iraq,
the treatment of gay and lesbians in the service and the city's
reputation
for embracing the peace movement"

It is pretty hard to interpret this in any other way.


Then, I'll ask again. Why, if this article is true, would S.F. have the
Pampanito and the Jeremiah O'Brian in full view, at Fisherman's
Wharf?????


Different Board of Sups!

And kevin wonders why he still holds the title of "King of the NG idiots"