wrote in message
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wrote:
*JimH* wrote:

Are you man enough to admit when *you* are wrong and slammed/flamed
someone
for no reason?


I love how you come and start insulting, and Fritz is right there with
his nose stuck up your ass. I find it odd that you chastise others for
name calling, and insulting, but then YOU do it, and also you don't
chastise your boyfriend Fritz for doing the same.

Oh no. Here I am once again called upon to defend the morally and
intellectually superior JimH against an unwarranted personal attack. No
rest for the weary....

Please be aware that JimH is graciously offering the rest of us the
benefit of his superior moral standards. He is capable of seeing things
in ways that those of more "pathetic" stature or more advanced age
cannot ever hope to appreciate. When JimH makes personal remarks, he is
surely motivated by a generous concern for the welfare of his fellow
human beings and is hoping that his criticisms will be considered
instructive commentary. I would be surprised to learn that improving
the morals, ethics, personalities, and intellects of others isn't one
of JimH's highest priorities. While he has never shared his line of
work with the NG, I think it rather obvious that he must be a highly
respected *judge* to whom other jurists flock for sage opinions.
Perhaps we'll soon see his name discussed in connection with a vacancy
on the Supreme Court. We are truly lucky to have JimH take so many
hours out of every busy day to instruct the rest of us in our
shortcomings and deficiencies.

It is only fitting that JimH have a few "disciples" at his command, so
while the actions and comments of others posting here might be
individually questionable, it all makes sense when one considers that
they have been enlisted in the crusade to improve the morals,
personalities, and intellects of mankind by the exalted JimH. One
blessed and baptized by the leader, these fellow-travelers should
likewise be exempt from any criticism. Remember, they are only hoping
to improve the rest of us to a point where we reach their own lofty
standards. That's a very noble mission.

Why torment JimH or his apostles so? It only distracts them from their
important work.


You are one sick puppy Chuck.

Yes, it is nice to see someone such as yourself saying away from personally
oriented insults, because you know JimH would never take the bait and I know
you would never make snide comments about JimH, because backhanded
compliments are beneath you.

"Who Me?"


From:
Subject: Link to some observations about a boat
Date: Friday, July 15, 2005 10:46 AM



Real Name wrote:
Gould,
It is statements such as this one that made me change my mind about you
trolling for a fight. You would never stoop to that level.

I'm flattered that you found time in the midst your own vast numbers of
positive, on-topic, not-personally oriented contributions to the NG to
even bother evaluating my motives.

And if I *were* trolling for a fight, JimH would be the last person I
would expect to take the bait.

Who would ever consider your comments to be "snide", only a fool would think
that. "Snide" comments are normally made by people who have failed at
simple jobs such as used car salesmen, or those people who have failed at
simple jobs such as used boat salesman and are struggling to make ends meet
writing fluff pieces for boating magazines.

I am sure you would never make snide comments.


wrote in message
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Real Name wrote:
Gould,
It is good to see you stay above the fray. Some people would try to be
snide and come across as a horses ass. I am glad you didn't.

As am I. My favorable remarks about JimH could only be considered
"snide" by those who believe that they're untrue.

JimH,
I have to come to Gould's defense here. He has gone out of his way to make
positive comments about you, and has come to your defense when those about
you are slinging mud. Gould is a wonderful person, only someone who has
failed at every venture he has been involved would find it necessary to make
snide remarks directed towards you, and then innocently say "Who Me"?


"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
ups.com...


wrote:
*JimH* wrote:

Are you man enough to admit when *you* are wrong and slammed/flamed
someone
for no reason?


I love how you come and start insulting, and Fritz is right there with
his nose stuck up your ass. I find it odd that you chastise others for
name calling, and insulting, but then YOU do it, and also you don't
chastise your boyfriend Fritz for doing the same.

Oh no. Here I am once again called upon to defend the morally and
intellectually superior JimH against an unwarranted personal attack. No
rest for the weary....

Please be aware that JimH is graciously offering the rest of us the
benefit of his superior moral standards. He is capable of seeing things
in ways that those of more "pathetic" stature or more advanced age
cannot ever hope to appreciate. When JimH makes personal remarks, he is
surely motivated by a generous concern for the welfare of his fellow
human beings and is hoping that his criticisms will be considered
instructive commentary. I would be surprised to learn that improving
the morals, ethics, personalities, and intellects of others isn't one
of JimH's highest priorities. While he has never shared his line of
work with the NG, I think it rather obvious that he must be a highly
respected *judge* to whom other jurists flock for sage opinions.
Perhaps we'll soon see his name discussed in connection with a vacancy
on the Supreme Court. We are truly lucky to have JimH take so many
hours out of every busy day to instruct the rest of us in our
shortcomings and deficiencies.

It is only fitting that JimH have a few "disciples" at his command, so
while the actions and comments of others posting here might be
individually questionable, it all makes sense when one considers that
they have been enlisted in the crusade to improve the morals,
personalities, and intellects of mankind by the exalted JimH. One
blessed and baptized by the leader, these fellow-travelers should
likewise be exempt from any criticism. Remember, they are only hoping
to improve the rest of us to a point where we reach their own lofty
standards. That's a very noble mission.

Why torment JimH or his apostles so? It only distracts them from their
important work.


You are one sick puppy Chuck.

Harry,
It is nice to see you care about my opinion.


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
Real Name wrote:
JimH,
I have to come to Gould's defense here. He has gone out of his way to
make positive comments about you, and has come to your defense when those
about you are slinging mud. Gould is a wonderful person, only someone
who has failed at every venture he has been involved would find it
necessary to make snide remarks directed towards you, and then innocently
say "Who Me"?


Ahh, the two co-captains of the Assholes United Soccer Team, neither of
whom have a boat, are setting up their weekend discourse.

How sweet.

See if you can work in the rest of the AU team.



--
Let's pray the United States survives the rest of Bush's term.

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
Real Name wrote:
JimH,
I have to come to Gould's defense here. He has gone out of his way to
make positive comments about you, and has come to your defense when
those about you are slinging mud. Gould is a wonderful person, only
someone who has failed at every venture he has been involved would find
it necessary to make snide remarks directed towards you, and then
innocently say "Who Me"?


Ahh, the two co-captains of the Assholes United Soccer Team, neither of
whom have a boat, are setting up their weekend discourse.

How sweet.

See if you can work in the rest of the AU team.


Yes, we are "boat-less" at the present time...and this after some 25 years
of boat ownership. sigh But you know the reason why we sold our 32
footer recently as I have posted it several time here. For that reason I
will not repeat the reason why.



Our kids grew up on our boats and on the lake (Lake Erie) since they were 6
month old babes. Both love the water and took to it instantly. Being able
to enjoy weekends, holidays and vacation together on the boat as a family
was absolutely priceless and provided them with memories they will never
forget.



We will buy a smaller boat when we buy our retirement house on the water in
a few years (or sooner). But that is not important at the moment.



Boat-less...indeed. But despite all this we remain *boaters*. Yes, one can
remain a boater without owning a boat. I would guess we spend more time on
the water and boating than you do. And you would never have seen a post
from me here during weekends, holiday or vacations when we owned a boat as
we were on it. You seem to post here 24x7 despite the fact that you claim
to own at least 4 boats. Absolutely amazing! Just how do you find the
time? ;-)



Despite all this the big questions to you Krause is: Why are you so
obsessed with the fact that I am boat-less for the moment and why does that
bother you so? Does boat ownership somehow make one more credible or more
important? You apparently think so.why am I not surprised?



Understand this Krause: I am comfortable with the fact that we do not own a
boat for the moment. My wife is comfortable with that fact. My kids are
comfortable with that fact. Despite that we are all happy and love each
other.



How can that be? I would rather be boat-less and happy than be the grumpy
old man you are. Unlike you I do not have to make up stories about owning a
phantom custom made 36 foot lobster boat. Unlike you I do not have to make
up stories about phantom fishing trips and being on the water. Unlike you I
do not post pictures of what I say is my wife that I lifted from the
internet. Unlike you I don't have to make up stories about my wife's
education. Unlike you I don't have to post pictures of my driveway and
brag about how long it is.



Yes, I don't have to make up stories about my life.....all things you do
right here....all things you have been caught in a lie doing so.



I am happy with my life, you obviously are not. You continue with the lies
about your fantasy life because you need some sort of validation from the
folks here..members of an obscure boating NG of all things.....a validation
that you need to show that are more than the grumpy old man eating cheese
doodles at his computer 24x7.



It must really suck to be you and to have to wake up each and every morning
to look in the mirror knowing you have to live another day as Harry Krause.



OUCH!!!

JimH,
I am not boatless, in the last 2 weeks I have spent 5 days on the boat.
That is 5 more than Harry.


..

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
Real Name wrote:
JimH,
I have to come to Gould's defense here. He has gone out of his way to
make positive comments about you, and has come to your defense when
those about you are slinging mud. Gould is a wonderful person, only
someone who has failed at every venture he has been involved would find
it necessary to make snide remarks directed towards you, and then
innocently say "Who Me"?


Ahh, the two co-captains of the Assholes United Soccer Team, neither of
whom have a boat, are setting up their weekend discourse.

How sweet.

See if you can work in the rest of the AU team.


Yes, we are "boat-less" at the present time...and this after some 25 years
of boat ownership. sigh But you know the reason why we sold our 32
footer recently as I have posted it several time here. For that reason I
will not repeat the reason why.



Our kids grew up on our boats and on the lake (Lake Erie) since they were
6 month old babes. Both love the water and took to it instantly. Being
able to enjoy weekends, holidays and vacation together on the boat as a
family was absolutely priceless and provided them with memories they will
never forget.



We will buy a smaller boat when we buy our retirement house on the water
in a few years (or sooner). But that is not important at the moment.



Boat-less...indeed. But despite all this we remain *boaters*. Yes, one
can remain a boater without owning a boat. I would guess we spend more
time on the water and boating than you do. And you would never have seen
a post from me here during weekends, holiday or vacations when we owned a
boat as we were on it. You seem to post here 24x7 despite the fact that
you claim to own at least 4 boats. Absolutely amazing! Just how do you
find the time? ;-)



Despite all this the big questions to you Krause is: Why are you so
obsessed with the fact that I am boat-less for the moment and why does
that bother you so? Does boat ownership somehow make one more credible or
more important? You apparently think so.why am I not surprised?



Understand this Krause: I am comfortable with the fact that we do not own
a boat for the moment. My wife is comfortable with that fact. My kids
are comfortable with that fact. Despite that we are all happy and love
each other.



How can that be? I would rather be boat-less and happy than be the
grumpy old man you are. Unlike you I do not have to make up stories about
owning a phantom custom made 36 foot lobster boat. Unlike you I do not
have to make up stories about phantom fishing trips and being on the
water. Unlike you I do not post pictures of what I say is my wife that I
lifted from the internet. Unlike you I don't have to make up stories
about my wife's education. Unlike you I don't have to post pictures of
my driveway and brag about how long it is.



Yes, I don't have to make up stories about my life.....all things you do
right here....all things you have been caught in a lie doing so.



I am happy with my life, you obviously are not. You continue with the
lies about your fantasy life because you need some sort of validation from
the folks here..members of an obscure boating NG of all things.....a
validation that you need to show that are more than the grumpy old man
eating cheese doodles at his computer 24x7.



It must really suck to be you and to have to wake up each and every
morning to look in the mirror knowing you have to live another day as
Harry Krause.



OUCH!!!

Not in his crazy mind filled with imaginary things.


"Real Name" wrote in message
...
JimH,
I am not boatless, in the last 2 weeks I have spent 5 days on the boat.
That is 5 more than Harry.


.

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
Real Name wrote:
JimH,
I have to come to Gould's defense here. He has gone out of his way to
make positive comments about you, and has come to your defense when
those about you are slinging mud. Gould is a wonderful person, only
someone who has failed at every venture he has been involved would
find it necessary to make snide remarks directed towards you, and then
innocently say "Who Me"?


Ahh, the two co-captains of the Assholes United Soccer Team, neither of
whom have a boat, are setting up their weekend discourse.

How sweet.

See if you can work in the rest of the AU team.


Yes, we are "boat-less" at the present time...and this after some 25
years of boat ownership. sigh But you know the reason why we sold
our 32 footer recently as I have posted it several time here. For that
reason I will not repeat the reason why.



Our kids grew up on our boats and on the lake (Lake Erie) since they were
6 month old babes. Both love the water and took to it instantly. Being
able to enjoy weekends, holidays and vacation together on the boat as a
family was absolutely priceless and provided them with memories they will
never forget.



We will buy a smaller boat when we buy our retirement house on the water
in a few years (or sooner). But that is not important at the moment.



Boat-less...indeed. But despite all this we remain *boaters*. Yes, one
can remain a boater without owning a boat. I would guess we spend more
time on the water and boating than you do. And you would never have seen
a post from me here during weekends, holiday or vacations when we owned a
boat as we were on it. You seem to post here 24x7 despite the fact that
you claim to own at least 4 boats. Absolutely amazing! Just how do you
find the time? ;-)



Despite all this the big questions to you Krause is: Why are you so
obsessed with the fact that I am boat-less for the moment and why does
that bother you so? Does boat ownership somehow make one more credible
or more important? You apparently think so.why am I not surprised?



Understand this Krause: I am comfortable with the fact that we do not
own a boat for the moment. My wife is comfortable with that fact. My
kids are comfortable with that fact. Despite that we are all happy and
love each other.



How can that be? I would rather be boat-less and happy than be the
grumpy old man you are. Unlike you I do not have to make up stories
about owning a phantom custom made 36 foot lobster boat. Unlike you I do
not have to make up stories about phantom fishing trips and being on the
water. Unlike you I do not post pictures of what I say is my wife that I
lifted from the internet. Unlike you I don't have to make up stories
about my wife's education. Unlike you I don't have to post pictures of
my driveway and brag about how long it is.



Yes, I don't have to make up stories about my life.....all things you do
right here....all things you have been caught in a lie doing so.



I am happy with my life, you obviously are not. You continue with the
lies about your fantasy life because you need some sort of validation
from the folks here..members of an obscure boating NG of all things.....a
validation that you need to show that are more than the grumpy old man
eating cheese doodles at his computer 24x7.



It must really suck to be you and to have to wake up each and every
morning to look in the mirror knowing you have to live another day as
Harry Krause.



OUCH!!!

When I used the word "we" in my reply to Krause, I was referring to my
family.

I know you have a boat.


"Real Name" wrote in message
...
JimH,
I am not boatless, in the last 2 weeks I have spent 5 days on the boat.
That is 5 more than Harry.


.

"*JimH*" wrote in message
...


"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
Real Name wrote:
JimH,
I have to come to Gould's defense here. He has gone out of his way to
make positive comments about you, and has come to your defense when
those about you are slinging mud. Gould is a wonderful person, only
someone who has failed at every venture he has been involved would
find it necessary to make snide remarks directed towards you, and then
innocently say "Who Me"?


Ahh, the two co-captains of the Assholes United Soccer Team, neither of
whom have a boat, are setting up their weekend discourse.

How sweet.

See if you can work in the rest of the AU team.


Yes, we are "boat-less" at the present time...and this after some 25
years of boat ownership. sigh But you know the reason why we sold
our 32 footer recently as I have posted it several time here. For that
reason I will not repeat the reason why.

Our kids grew up on our boats and on the lake (Lake Erie) since they were
6 month old babes. Both love the water and took to it instantly. Being
able to enjoy weekends, holidays and vacation together on the boat as a
family was absolutely priceless and provided them with memories they will
never forget.

We will buy a smaller boat when we buy our retirement house on the water
in a few years (or sooner). But that is not important at the moment.

Boat-less...indeed. But despite all this we remain *boaters*. Yes, one
can remain a boater without owning a boat. I would guess we spend more
time on the water and boating than you do. And you would never have seen
a post from me here during weekends, holiday or vacations when we owned a
boat as we were on it. You seem to post here 24x7 despite the fact that
you claim to own at least 4 boats. Absolutely amazing! Just how do you
find the time? ;-)

Despite all this the big questions to you Krause is: Why are you so
obsessed with the fact that I am boat-less for the moment and why does
that bother you so? Does boat ownership somehow make one more credible
or more important? You apparently think so.why am I not surprised?

Understand this Krause: I am comfortable with the fact that we do not
own a boat for the moment. My wife is comfortable with that fact. My
kids are comfortable with that fact. Despite that we are all happy and
love each other.

How can that be? I would rather be boat-less and happy than be the
grumpy old man you are. Unlike you I do not have to make up stories
about owning a phantom custom made 36 foot lobster boat. Unlike you I do
not have to make up stories about phantom fishing trips and being on the
water. Unlike you I do not post pictures of what I say is my wife that I
lifted from the internet. Unlike you I don't have to make up stories
about my wife's education. Unlike you I don't have to post pictures of
my driveway and brag about how long it is.

Yes, I don't have to make up stories about my life.....all things you do
right here....all things you have been caught in a lie doing so.

I am happy with my life, you obviously are not. You continue with the
lies about your fantasy life because you need some sort of validation
from the folks here..members of an obscure boating NG of all things.....a
validation that you need to show that are more than the grumpy old man
eating cheese doodles at his computer 24x7.

It must really suck to be you and to have to wake up each and every
morning to look in the mirror knowing you have to live another day as
Harry Krause.

OUCH!!!

Real Name wrote:
JimH,
I have to come to Gould's defense here. He has gone out of his way to make
positive comments about you, and has come to your defense when those about
you are slinging mud. Gould is a wonderful person, only someone who has
failed at every venture he has been involved would find it necessary to make
snide remarks directed towards you, and then innocently say "Who Me"?


It's because JimH has become the champion of childish insults, he's
taken that and the name calling crown from Fritz. But Fritz is a close
second, he follows Jim around like a puppy.

On 15 Jul 2005 07:19:00 -0700, "
wrote:



Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On 13 Jul 2005 22:51:56 -0700, "
wrote:


To view some comments on the Bayliner 242 Classic Cruiser:

My brother's marina has two of these on the same pier he's on. I like
the styling, although they seem a little slab sided to me. It's kind
of like putting the sixties style cabin on a box and making the front
end pointy if you get my drift.

My brother went out on one and he said they tend to bounce a lot -
they don't seem to have any real weight to them. Any thoughts on
that?

Live long and prosper,

Tom


This is one of the "walkthrough" items I do every month, and we don't
get underway in the boat or claim that we have. The dealer says the
boat will do over 30mph, and depending on sea state its easy to imagine
there could indeed be quite a bit of bouncing. Some of the
characteristics that make the boat trailerable, such as the light
displacement and short waterline, give it a short and shallow
"footprint". Peeling off some speed *should* reduce the bounce, but one
would need to take the boat out to determine whether bouncing is much
of a problem and how speed related it might be. Proper adjustment of
trim and tabs would also have an effect on the amount of bouncing
experienced.

The "slab sides" are part of the evolution of this model. When it was
introduced, there was less freeboard but there was an engine box in the
cockpit. Inceasing the freeboard made it possible to place the engine
under a hatch in the cockpit and free'd up a lot of additional space.
Just another one of the compromises that every boat on the market is
forced to deal with: more of this means less off- or too much of-
something else.

That's about what I figured.

Nice write up.

Later,

Tom

On 15 Jul 2005 12:16:40 -0700, wrote:



Real Name wrote:
JimH,
I have to come to Gould's defense here. He has gone out of his way to make
positive comments about you, and has come to your defense when those about
you are slinging mud. Gould is a wonderful person, only someone who has
failed at every venture he has been involved would find it necessary to make
snide remarks directed towards you, and then innocently say "Who Me"?


It's because JimH has become the champion of childish insults, he's
taken that and the name calling crown from Fritz. But Fritz is a close
second, he follows Jim around like a puppy.

Chuck is defending JimH because JimH insults you? What has Chuck got against
*you*?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:18:47 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

wrote:

Real Name wrote:
JimH,
I have to come to Gould's defense here. He has gone out of his way to make
positive comments about you, and has come to your defense when those about
you are slinging mud. Gould is a wonderful person, only someone who has
failed at every venture he has been involved would find it necessary to make
snide remarks directed towards you, and then innocently say "Who Me"?


It's because JimH has become the champion of childish insults, he's
taken that and the name calling crown from Fritz. But Fritz is a close
second, he follows Jim around like a puppy.


It's their team - they're all members of Assholes United.

Chuck says nice things about Jim, so you call him an asshole? What did Chuck do
to *you*?

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

HarryKrause wrote:


The Chuckster needs no apology from me or anyone else. He's a top-drawer
guy. You, on the other hand, are disruptive, worthless piece'o'crap.

I'm still waiting to see you back up those "charges" you made that I
"threatened" you and your poor wife.


I find it odd that JimH has the nerve to act up & criticize others here
after his outrageous behavior a couple of weeks ago. If he had a 'lick
of sense', he'd shut up and slink away with his tail between his legs.