( OT ) Bush Refuses to Condemn Proponents of Torture
 

Bush Refuses to Condemn Proponents of Torture


President Bush has publicly deplored the treatment of Iraqi prisoners at Abu
Ghraib, having apologized for the fiasco. Yet, just days after his apology,
the White House is refusing to condemn its right-wing allies who are making
light of the situation and defending torture.

For instance, conservative radio host and White House supporter Rush
Limbaugh this week called the torture "decent punishment," said soldiers
were simply "having a good time, and also said "I don't see the big deal
here"1. White House spokesman Scott McClellan refused to answer when asked
how the President felt about those comments2. Additionally, when McClellan
was asked whether Vice President Cheney would continue appearing on
Limbaugh's show (as he did in March), McClellan again refused to comment3.

Similarly, Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK), who President Bush has repeatedly
praised as an ally, said that he was "more outraged by the outrage" than by
the abuse4. Inhofe also said that all the prisoners are "murderers,
terrorists and insurgents"5 despite the fact that the Red Cross notes that
between 70% and 90% of the Iraqi detainees were "arrested by mistake"6. The
White House again has refused to rebut these comments, in stark contrast to
other Republicans like Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) who said such comments are
"undercutting us in terms of our international standing"7.


Sources:
1.. Media Matters for America.
2.. Press Briefing by Scott McClellan, 05/06/2004.
3.. Press Gaggle with Scott McClellan, 05/11/2004.
4.. President Bush Calls on Congress to Act on Clear Skies Legislation,
09/16/2003.
5.. Senator 'Outraged at Outrage' in Iraq Prison Case, Reuters,
05/11/2004.
6.. Up to 90% of Iraqi detainees arrested by mistake, Red Cross says,
Chicago Sun-Times, 05/11/2004.
7.. Iraq prison debate takes partisan turn, Houston Chronicle, 05/11/2004.

( OT ) Bush Refuses to Condemn Proponents of Torture
 

Jim wrote:

Bush Refuses to Condemn Proponents of Torture


President Bush has publicly deplored the treatment of Iraqi prisoners at Abu
Ghraib, having apologized for the fiasco. Yet, just days after his apology,
the White House is refusing to condemn its right-wing allies who are making
light of the situation and defending torture.



There are more legs to this torture tale than anyone first imagined.
Apparently Rummy is a bit more deeply involved in the process than he
has let on to date.

It's too bad it had to be something like this, but if it helps bring
down Bush, hey...

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jim wrote:

Bush Refuses to Condemn Proponents of Torture


President Bush has publicly deplored the treatment of Iraqi prisoners at
Abu
Ghraib, having apologized for the fiasco. Yet, just days after his
apology,
the White House is refusing to condemn its right-wing allies who are
making
light of the situation and defending torture.



There are more legs to this torture tale than anyone first imagined.
Apparently Rummy is a bit more deeply involved in the process than he
has let on to date.

It's too bad it had to be something like this, but if it helps bring
down Bush, hey...

The legs are worn off and it won't be able to walk at all in less than a
week.

( OT ) Bush Refuses to Condemn Proponents of Torture
 

Bert Robbins wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Jim wrote:


Bush Refuses to Condemn Proponents of Torture


President Bush has publicly deplored the treatment of Iraqi prisoners at

Abu

Ghraib, having apologized for the fiasco. Yet, just days after his

apology,

the White House is refusing to condemn its right-wing allies who are

making

light of the situation and defending torture.



There are more legs to this torture tale than anyone first imagined.
Apparently Rummy is a bit more deeply involved in the process than he
has let on to date.

It's too bad it had to be something like this, but if it helps bring
down Bush, hey...


The legs are worn off and it won't be able to walk at all in less than a
week.




In your dreams, perhaps. The Iraqi prisoner torture story will be around
for a while, until replaced by the next Bush mis-administration scandal.

Me, I'm kind of hoping for a nice oil price collusion scandal involving
the Bush-****ters, the big oil companies and our wonderful friends in
Saudi Arabia.

But I'll take whatever comes down the pike for the Bush-****ters, as
long as it helps bury the idiot, election wise

( OT ) Bush Refuses to Condemn Proponents of Torture
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Jim wrote:


Bush Refuses to Condemn Proponents of Torture


President Bush has publicly deplored the treatment of Iraqi prisoners
at

Abu

Ghraib, having apologized for the fiasco. Yet, just days after his

apology,

the White House is refusing to condemn its right-wing allies who are

making

light of the situation and defending torture.



There are more legs to this torture tale than anyone first imagined.
Apparently Rummy is a bit more deeply involved in the process than he
has let on to date.

It's too bad it had to be something like this, but if it helps bring
down Bush, hey...


The legs are worn off and it won't be able to walk at all in less than a
week.




In your dreams, perhaps. The Iraqi prisoner torture story will be around
for a while, until replaced by the next Bush mis-administration scandal.

Why has the murder of Nick Berg not been met with as much print and air
time? What's the matter the death of an American at the hands of terrorists
is overshadowed by some poor slobs that got strip searched?

Me, I'm kind of hoping for a nice oil price collusion scandal involving
the Bush-****ters, the big oil companies and our wonderful friends in
Saudi Arabia.

The price of oil was artifically low and the fact that nobody in the US has
stopped driving to protest the high price of oil will keep it at or above
two dollars a gallon. The next problem will be that the government will try
to increase their take by raising the taxes and that's when the public will
scream. Inflation will kick in in a couple of months due to the increased
cost of plastics and transportaiton of goods.

But I'll take whatever comes down the pike for the Bush-****ters, as
long as it helps bury the idiot, election wise

I notice you aren't saying it is a good thing for Kerry. I can't wait until
Kerry make the great Faux Pas and goes down in flames. Then the fun begins
when the Democrats try to substitute a candidate just like they did in New
Jersey.

( OT ) Bush Refuses to Condemn Proponents of Torture
 

On Sun, 16 May 2004 21:37:35 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


Me, I'm kind of hoping for a nice oil price collusion scandal involving
the Bush-****ters, the big oil companies and our wonderful friends in
Saudi Arabia.

Something like this:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0419-01.htm

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index....5950726730.xml

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There are more legs to this torture tale than anyone first imagined.
Apparently Rummy is a bit more deeply involved in the process than he
has let on to date.

It's too bad it had to be something like this, but if it helps bring
down Bush, hey...

That's ridiculous, Harry. How could you possibly say that? That rivals NOYB's
"make them f*** a pig" post. You guys in a contest to see who can say the most
outrageously inappropriate things?

A statement that "it really doesn't matter what happens to the country as long
as Bush completes his self destruction" is just as bad as the neocons saying
that no matter *what* GWB does, it will be the right thing and good for
America.

I'm delighted to see Bush's approval rating sink into the low 40's this week,
(Rasmussen), but sad to see the events and unresolved issues that are bringing
him down to that level. When Bush goes down the toilet, he takes a lot of the
country and even a lot of the free world with him. That's extremely
regrettable, not something that should simply be considered acceptable
collateral damage.

Sadder yet, as disgusted as all but the R party diehards and the Limbaugh
dittoheads are becoming with Bush- your party has put up the weakest candidate
since George McGovern.

Not all the independents in this country are as liberal as I am. Many of them
will decide that the predictable screwing we'll take from four more years of
Bush beats the unknown screwing we'd take from Kerry. Once again, I'll be
reduced to voting *against* Bush because you Democrats can't field a decent
candidate.

Bush's current problems are bad news for him and the Republicans, but worse
news for the country. Putting in a slick, professional gladhander like Kerry
will stop
the damage being done by the radical right- but I fear we'll be trading one
tribe of special interest thieves for another.

Get your buds at the DNC to convice Kerry to pull out for personal or health
reasons.
(Maybe one of his old war scratches will start acting up.) Not too soon,
though- (Let the Bush team spend another $100mm trashing Kerry and making
themselves look hateful and silly in the process first). Convince McCain to
switch parties and you'll walk away with this thing. Barring that, nominate a
leader with intelligence, compassionate ethics, and integrity- we sorely need a
new president in this country and that's the kind of person we need.

If you guys will put up a reasonable candidate, you won't have to say that it
somehow doesn't matter what terrible crap lands on our country as long as it
unseats George Bush. Things won't have to get any worse than they are right
now, and GWB will be getting a gift certificate from Bekins for Christmas.

Best of all possible worlds? The country solves some of our current problems
and the Bush *still* gets pruned come fall. :-)

Looks like we disagree, again.

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On Mon, 17 May 2004 04:09:55 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:

Convince McCain
to switch parties and you'll walk away with this thing. Barring that,
nominate a leader with intelligence, compassionate ethics, and integrity-
we sorely need a new president in this country and that's the kind of
person we need.

If you guys will put up a reasonable candidate...

I'm not sure there are any reasonable candidates, or I should say,
reasonable candidates don't survive the primary system. While I have
considerable respect for McCain, you'll remember Bush defeated him
easily four years ago. I don't have any answers, but would suggest that
the cream doesn't rise to the top. 250 million people, if these are our
two best, something is wrong somewhere.

( OT ) Bush Refuses to Condemn Proponents of Torture
 

thunder wrote:

On Sun, 16 May 2004 21:37:35 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:



Me, I'm kind of hoping for a nice oil price collusion scandal involving
the Bush-****ters, the big oil companies and our wonderful friends in
Saudi Arabia.


Something like this:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0419-01.htm

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index....5950726730.xml


Yeah, that'll do...

( OT ) Bush Refuses to Condemn Proponents of Torture
 

Gould 0738 wrote:

There are more legs to this torture tale than anyone first imagined.
Apparently Rummy is a bit more deeply involved in the process than he
has let on to date.

It's too bad it had to be something like this, but if it helps bring
down Bush, hey...


That's ridiculous, Harry. How could you possibly say that? That rivals NOYB's
"make them f*** a pig" post. You guys in a contest to see who can say the most
outrageously inappropriate things?

A statement that "it really doesn't matter what happens to the country as long
as Bush completes his self destruction" is just as bad as the neocons saying
that no matter *what* GWB does, it will be the right thing and good for
America.

Bush's policies are bringing Bush down. The buck stops on Bush's desk,
as does respnsibility for the prison torture. He knew about it months
ago, as did Rummy, and there is no a story circulating that the torture
was directly tied to a Rummy policy.

I'm delighted to see Bush's approval rating sink into the low 40's this week,
(Rasmussen), but sad to see the events and unresolved issues that are bringing
him down to that level. When Bush goes down the toilet, he takes a lot of the
country and even a lot of the free world with him. That's extremely
regrettable, not something that should simply be considered acceptable
collateral damage.

It is too bad. Perhaps there is a lesson in this, eh?\


Sadder yet, as disgusted as all but the R party diehards and the Limbaugh
dittoheads are becoming with Bush- your party has put up the weakest candidate
since George McGovern.

I hadn't noticed that.





Get your buds at the DNC to convice Kerry to pull out for personal or health
reasons.


Oh, puh-lease.



(Maybe one of his old war scratches will start acting up.) Not too soon,
though- (Let the Bush team spend another $100mm trashing Kerry and making
themselves look hateful and silly in the process first). Convince McCain to
switch parties and you'll walk away with this thing.


McCain is an interesting fellow, too conservative for my taste, though,
and on the opposite side of too many issues. But I do like him
personally. But he caved in the face of Bush's lying attacks about him
in the 2000 primaries, and I wonder if he is tough enough these days to
take on the Repubican juggernaut that has invested so heavily in the
smirking chimp.