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Stern drive oil usage: 2005 Merc Cruiser 3.0/A-1
Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake
for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
No it should go down. But since it is new I would keep an eye on the level
and see where it goes. If it continues to go down then you got a leak. Also the level will change some due to the rise and drop of gear oil temperature. "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:11:11 -0700, "Mr Wizzard" wrote:
Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! Mine did much the same after some outdrive work. Fill it and check it again after running. You'll probably see much less consumption. If it still drops a half inch in one day's running, look for an oil slick forming from a bad seal somewhere. Get it checked out then. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"Woodchuck" wrote in message .. . No it should go down. It should go down, or no it should "not" go down ? Book says if you need to add more than 2 Oz, you got a leak. So tomorrow I'll add oil to bring it back up to where it was, but I think that will be over 2 Oz (although not by much). But since it is new I would keep an eye on the level and see where it goes. If it continues to go down then you got a leak. Also the level will change some due to the rise and drop of gear oil temperature. "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
"shouldn't" sorry
"Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "Woodchuck" wrote in message .. . No it should go down. It should go down, or no it should "not" go down ? Book says if you need to add more than 2 Oz, you got a leak. So tomorrow I'll add oil to bring it back up to where it was, but I think that will be over 2 Oz (although not by much). But since it is new I would keep an eye on the level and see where it goes. If it continues to go down then you got a leak. Also the level will change some due to the rise and drop of gear oil temperature. "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
I have the exact same boat. after the second time out I had to add od oil to
the monitor/resivior, since then I havent had to add oil (about 15 hours ago). I think that when the dealer installs the drive they are not getting all the air out of the system. At least thats my assumption. How is the boat running otherwise. When your at idle does the engine sound like it wants to die due to too low of idle. Mine idles fine but has that too low of idle setting lope. Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
"seeray28" wrote in message ... I have the exact same boat. after the second time out I had to add od oil to the monitor/resivior, since then I havent had to add oil (about 15 hours ago). I think that when the dealer installs the drive they are not getting all the air out of the system. At least thats my assumption. How is the boat running otherwise. When your at idle does the engine sound like it wants to die due to too low of idle. Mine idles fine but has that too low of idle setting lope. Dude!, this is scary! - reading this is like listening to "me"! You describe EXACTALLY what I've noticed. Cool. So, yeah, it was after the secod time I noticed the oil go down some. The first time out really didn't count since it was like gor 10-15 minutes, and I think I got it up on a slow plane for like 15 seconds max, then came in. Runs GREAT. And yeah, it is a charactoristic for this 3.0 to have that "too low of an idle lope/wanting to die sound/feel" - even my neighbor kept mentioning this. But it never does die, I'll give it that. Being new to big boats (non-Zodiac boats), the guy I was with kept having me practice coming into the dock at 90 degrees and turning it to get it to so sideways and walk it in to the dock. Anyways, that was all idling maneouvers, and throughout that whole time it was loping and sounding like it wanted to die. but it never ever does. So quick Q, when you had to add oil, how much diid you have to add? Also, do me a favor, go out and check your trim gague. Turn the key on, (put in ear plugs for that blaring alarm), and run the drive unit all the way down then check to see exactally where the trim gague points. Mine is not pointing exactally on the full down position on the gague - its up 1/8 inch from the full down mark, and hte sender is set as far as it can be set to one side. no biggie. So tell me more - how many hours you got on yours so far ? This is so fun! (being able to talk to someone with he exact sam boat) that rocks! Thanks!! Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
You know, I never really noticed that my trim gauge is off, thanks now I see
that mine is the same as yours. In regards to the od oil I added maybe 20 cc to bring it up to the spot where the oil was the night I bought the boat ( slightly above the full line) since then that is where it has stayed. I have about 35 hours on mine so far , since I first got the boat I have noticed that the fuel consumption is actually getting better. Either the engine is starting to loosen up or I am getting better with the trim , all I know is that when we first got it, it would take 6 gallons to get to our favorite area on the river and back. Now we are down to 4 gallons.. Have you taken it up to its top speed yet (oh wait you cant till 20 ish hours) IT RIDES LIKE HELLin slight chop, but then again it is a 17.5 foot boat. . I think its funny that the book say WOT is 4800 and that the tach hits 4800 at wot no more no less. Ive never had a boat do that before. One thing I wish bayliner would have done is fill the area under the floor with some form of insulation. It does get kinda loud with the waves and ripples filtering thru the hull. ANother thing I found was that this boat really likes 3200 rpm. or 28mph. At that speed your actually moving and not a sitting duck, and the ride is so much smoother. One last thing, I talked to the mechanic the nite we got the boat, he stated that there was no anti-sieze compound on the spark plugs. I took out the plugs and put some one, I wuold suggest you do the same.. So have you gotten a rock stuck in your thermostat yet. Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... I have the exact same boat. after the second time out I had to add od oil to the monitor/resivior, since then I havent had to add oil (about 15 hours ago). I think that when the dealer installs the drive they are not getting all the air out of the system. At least thats my assumption. How is the boat running otherwise. When your at idle does the engine sound like it wants to die due to too low of idle. Mine idles fine but has that too low of idle setting lope. Dude!, this is scary! - reading this is like listening to "me"! You describe EXACTALLY what I've noticed. Cool. So, yeah, it was after the secod time I noticed the oil go down some. The first time out really didn't count since it was like gor 10-15 minutes, and I think I got it up on a slow plane for like 15 seconds max, then came in. Runs GREAT. And yeah, it is a charactoristic for this 3.0 to have that "too low of an idle lope/wanting to die sound/feel" - even my neighbor kept mentioning this. But it never does die, I'll give it that. Being new to big boats (non-Zodiac boats), the guy I was with kept having me practice coming into the dock at 90 degrees and turning it to get it to so sideways and walk it in to the dock. Anyways, that was all idling maneouvers, and throughout that whole time it was loping and sounding like it wanted to die. but it never ever does. So quick Q, when you had to add oil, how much diid you have to add? Also, do me a favor, go out and check your trim gague. Turn the key on, (put in ear plugs for that blaring alarm), and run the drive unit all the way down then check to see exactally where the trim gague points. Mine is not pointing exactally on the full down position on the gague - its up 1/8 inch from the full down mark, and hte sender is set as far as it can be set to one side. no biggie. So tell me more - how many hours you got on yours so far ? This is so fun! (being able to talk to someone with he exact sam boat) that rocks! Thanks!! Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
"seeray28" wrote in message ... You know, I never really noticed that my trim gauge is off, thanks now I see that mine is the same as yours. So yours is off a little bit too then ? In regards to the od oil I added maybe 20 cc to bring it up to the spot where the oil was the night I bought the boat ( slightly above the full line) since then that is where it has stayed. Same here. Just had it out for another 6 hours today, and it didn't move at ALL after adding that 20 cc . I have about 35 hours on mine so far , since I first got the boat I have noticed that the fuel consumption is actually getting better. Either the engine is starting to loosen up or I am getting better with the trim , all I know is that when we first got it, it would take 6 gallons to get to our favorite area on the river and back. Now we are down to 4 gallons.. Cool, cause I was worried about that. SAME thing - took me 1/4 tank to get out to that favorite sopt which didn't seem that far. Also, you will notice that the tank/gague is non linier near full - the first 1/4 tank goes fast, but takes a long long time to get down to 1/4 tank, and when it does get to 1/4 tank, you can peek in there on the right of the engine compartment, and it seems more like a 1/2 tank is left. Have you taken it up to its top speed yet (oh wait you cant till 20 ish hours) Ah, well, I think I "accidently" slipped and hit full throttle. it does 45 Mph, easy. IT RIDES LIKE HELLin slight chop, Man, no **** dude! - it beat the HELL out of me today with slight chop. That bothers me a little bit, but I'm new to fiberglass boats, so I don't know smooth from rought. However when I could stand going more that about 25 or 30, people were passing me up like nothing. but then again it is a 17.5 foot boat. Well, yeah, and maybe thats the downside of this boat. Price was good, but its no yacht. I think its funny that the book say WOT is 4800 and that the tach hits 4800 at wot no more no less. Ive never had a boat do that before. Is that good, or bad? (new to these boats) So not sure what you mean by "you never had a boat do that before " - you mean hit 4800 at WOT no matter what? But I gottta say, anything over 4000 for this motor just "seems" too fast. Just the general sound of it and all, just seems like its not happy over 4000. One thing I wish bayliner would have done is fill the area under the floor with some form of insulation. It does get kinda loud with the waves and ripples filtering thru the hull. Ah, BINGO! I said the SAME thing to by buddy today. (You are sopt-on on calling em on this boat) ANother thing I found was that this boat really likes 3200 rpm. or 28mph. At that speed your actually moving and not a sitting duck, and the ride is so much smoother. Dang dude, this is cool. That is my EXACT same observation! It has some natural sweep-spot or something, and it really likes EXACTALLY that 3200/28 Mph. Isn't that weird ? One last thing, I talked to the mechanic the nite we got the boat, he stated that there was no anti-sieze compound on the spark plugs. I took out the plugs and put some one, I wuold suggest you do the same.. Oh wow, thanks for the tip dude! I got tons of that anti-seeze out in the garage. When you took out the plugs, how'd they look ? So have you gotten a rock stuck in your thermostat yet. Ah, uh-oh... Is this a common problem? I did notice that it runs at a little over 175 (I'da thought a little cooler) Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... I have the exact same boat. after the second time out I had to add od oil to the monitor/resivior, since then I havent had to add oil (about 15 hours ago). I think that when the dealer installs the drive they are not getting all the air out of the system. At least thats my assumption. How is the boat running otherwise. When your at idle does the engine sound like it wants to die due to too low of idle. Mine idles fine but has that too low of idle setting lope. Dude!, this is scary! - reading this is like listening to "me"! You describe EXACTALLY what I've noticed. Cool. So, yeah, it was after the secod time I noticed the oil go down some. The first time out really didn't count since it was like gor 10-15 minutes, and I think I got it up on a slow plane for like 15 seconds max, then came in. Runs GREAT. And yeah, it is a charactoristic for this 3.0 to have that "too low of an idle lope/wanting to die sound/feel" - even my neighbor kept mentioning this. But it never does die, I'll give it that. Being new to big boats (non-Zodiac boats), the guy I was with kept having me practice coming into the dock at 90 degrees and turning it to get it to so sideways and walk it in to the dock. Anyways, that was all idling maneouvers, and throughout that whole time it was loping and sounding like it wanted to die. but it never ever does. So quick Q, when you had to add oil, how much diid you have to add? Also, do me a favor, go out and check your trim gague. Turn the key on, (put in ear plugs for that blaring alarm), and run the drive unit all the way down then check to see exactally where the trim gague points. Mine is not pointing exactally on the full down position on the gague - its up 1/8 inch from the full down mark, and hte sender is set as far as it can be set to one side. no biggie. So tell me more - how many hours you got on yours so far ? This is so fun! (being able to talk to someone with he exact sam boat) that rocks! Thanks!! Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
my trim gauge is off abit, but it does not hinder operation so Im not
worried about it I usually trim out till the boat starts bouncing and then go in till it just stops.. Fuel milage: I was worried about that as well. also you gotta take in mind that the fuel tank is a little goofy. since its shaped like two boxes staked on eachother with the top box half as big as the bottom, and the fuel sender is on the top, our gas gauge is going to be inaccurate. One of these days Im going to measure how much gas that top portion holds and mark that on the tank . Top speed Yeah accidents happen. The first nite my wife and I had ours out it accidently jumped to 4500 rpm.. Fibreglass boats or wood or steel or concrete or playdough or Leggo's This boat is rough at top speed. WOT: I have never had a boat that did exactly what it should, thats the part that amazes me. The book said 4800 rpm, Ill be damned the boat does 4800rpm. I guess thats a benefit of owning somthing new. Dont worry about the noise of the engine. If you look at this link you will see that its GONNA BE LOUD http://www.boattest.com/Yes-results-434.aspx Sweet spot: I think its wierd that at 3200rpm its totally happy, but at 3100 it bitches and fights but at 3300 It bounces and complains and you cant talk over it My plugs looked great, was thinking of running a compression check just for the hell of it but got lazy, besides my wife started to laugh at me and said " just cant leave well enough alone can ya" thats when I decided to wax it and not work on it Thermostat: I have owned about 10 boats over the years and worked on about 20 boats over the years. Never in all that time had I got/found a rock stuck in the t-stat. The night we picked up the boat, when the mechanic was giving us the " we are going to try to eliminate any liability " tour, he mentioned the temp gauge and said " if the temp gauge does not move off 120 then that means you have a rock stuck in the thermostat, try going full throttle to blow it out" . DAMMIT that rock has been in there for about 6 hours now. I already removed one and another just took its place. To hell with it, if it wants to come out it can come out on its own... so are you going to go out on the water today (7/4) I did last nite BIG FREAKING MISTAKE. got tossed around like a pinball. ; "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... You know, I never really noticed that my trim gauge is off, thanks now I see that mine is the same as yours. So yours is off a little bit too then ? In regards to the od oil I added maybe 20 cc to bring it up to the spot where the oil was the night I bought the boat ( slightly above the full line) since then that is where it has stayed. Same here. Just had it out for another 6 hours today, and it didn't move at ALL after adding that 20 cc . I have about 35 hours on mine so far , since I first got the boat I have noticed that the fuel consumption is actually getting better. Either the engine is starting to loosen up or I am getting better with the trim , all I know is that when we first got it, it would take 6 gallons to get to our favorite area on the river and back. Now we are down to 4 gallons.. Cool, cause I was worried about that. SAME thing - took me 1/4 tank to get out to that favorite sopt which didn't seem that far. Also, you will notice that the tank/gague is non linier near full - the first 1/4 tank goes fast, but takes a long long time to get down to 1/4 tank, and when it does get to 1/4 tank, you can peek in there on the right of the engine compartment, and it seems more like a 1/2 tank is left. Have you taken it up to its top speed yet (oh wait you cant till 20 ish hours) Ah, well, I think I "accidently" slipped and hit full throttle. it does 45 Mph, easy. IT RIDES LIKE HELLin slight chop, Man, no **** dude! - it beat the HELL out of me today with slight chop. That bothers me a little bit, but I'm new to fiberglass boats, so I don't know smooth from rought. However when I could stand going more that about 25 or 30, people were passing me up like nothing. but then again it is a 17.5 foot boat. Well, yeah, and maybe thats the downside of this boat. Price was good, but its no yacht. I think its funny that the book say WOT is 4800 and that the tach hits 4800 at wot no more no less. Ive never had a boat do that before. Is that good, or bad? (new to these boats) So not sure what you mean by "you never had a boat do that before " - you mean hit 4800 at WOT no matter what? But I gottta say, anything over 4000 for this motor just "seems" too fast. Just the general sound of it and all, just seems like its not happy over 4000. One thing I wish bayliner would have done is fill the area under the floor with some form of insulation. It does get kinda loud with the waves and ripples filtering thru the hull. Ah, BINGO! I said the SAME thing to by buddy today. (You are sopt-on on calling em on this boat) ANother thing I found was that this boat really likes 3200 rpm. or 28mph. At that speed your actually moving and not a sitting duck, and the ride is so much smoother. Dang dude, this is cool. That is my EXACT same observation! It has some natural sweep-spot or something, and it really likes EXACTALLY that 3200/28 Mph. Isn't that weird ? One last thing, I talked to the mechanic the nite we got the boat, he stated that there was no anti-sieze compound on the spark plugs. I took out the plugs and put some one, I wuold suggest you do the same.. Oh wow, thanks for the tip dude! I got tons of that anti-seeze out in the garage. When you took out the plugs, how'd they look ? So have you gotten a rock stuck in your thermostat yet. Ah, uh-oh... Is this a common problem? I did notice that it runs at a little over 175 (I'da thought a little cooler) Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... I have the exact same boat. after the second time out I had to add od oil to the monitor/resivior, since then I havent had to add oil (about 15 hours ago). I think that when the dealer installs the drive they are not getting all the air out of the system. At least thats my assumption. How is the boat running otherwise. When your at idle does the engine sound like it wants to die due to too low of idle. Mine idles fine but has that too low of idle setting lope. Dude!, this is scary! - reading this is like listening to "me"! You describe EXACTALLY what I've noticed. Cool. So, yeah, it was after the secod time I noticed the oil go down some. The first time out really didn't count since it was like gor 10-15 minutes, and I think I got it up on a slow plane for like 15 seconds max, then came in. Runs GREAT. And yeah, it is a charactoristic for this 3.0 to have that "too low of an idle lope/wanting to die sound/feel" - even my neighbor kept mentioning this. But it never does die, I'll give it that. Being new to big boats (non-Zodiac boats), the guy I was with kept having me practice coming into the dock at 90 degrees and turning it to get it to so sideways and walk it in to the dock. Anyways, that was all idling maneouvers, and throughout that whole time it was loping and sounding like it wanted to die. but it never ever does. So quick Q, when you had to add oil, how much diid you have to add? Also, do me a favor, go out and check your trim gague. Turn the key on, (put in ear plugs for that blaring alarm), and run the drive unit all the way down then check to see exactally where the trim gague points. Mine is not pointing exactally on the full down position on the gague - its up 1/8 inch from the full down mark, and hte sender is set as far as it can be set to one side. no biggie. So tell me more - how many hours you got on yours so far ? This is so fun! (being able to talk to someone with he exact sam boat) that rocks! Thanks!! Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
"seeray28" wrote in message ... my trim gauge is off abit, but it does not hinder operation so Im not worried about it I usually trim out till the boat starts bouncing and then go in till it just stops.. So it will "bounce" when trimmed out to far? Like an up/down bounce? (I always wondered how to find the right trim setting) Fuel milage: I was worried about that as well. also you gotta take in mind that the fuel tank is a little goofy. since its shaped like two boxes staked on eachother with the top box half as big as the bottom, and the fuel sender is on the top, our gas gauge is going to be inaccurate. One of these days Im going to measure how much gas that top portion holds and mark that on the tank . Spot on! - that tank shape accounts for that first 1/4 going so fast. Top speed Yeah accidents happen. The first nite my wife and I had ours out it accidently jumped to 4500 rpm.. Fibreglass boats or wood or steel or concrete or playdough or Leggo's This boat is rough at top speed. I wonder if this is normal? Or just the design of the boat. After all, it *is* and entry level boat that MSRP's uner $10K. WOT: I have never had a boat that did exactly what it should, thats the part that amazes me. The book said 4800 rpm, Ill be damned the boat does 4800rpm. I guess thats a benefit of owning somthing new. I gotcha. Cool. I've only been up to 4500 once/twice. (only 10 hours) Dont worry about the noise of the engine. If you look at this link you will see that its GONNA BE LOUD I wonder if one can line the inside of the engine cover with that foil coated fiberglass insulation that the older Bayliners have? http://www.boattest.com/Yes-results-434.aspx Thats some cool data! - thanks ! Sweet spot: I think its wierd that at 3200rpm its totally happy, but at 3100 it bitches and fights but at 3300 It bounces and complains and you cant talk over it Thats just the natual resonance of the vessel frame, and drive line. My plugs looked great, was thinking of running a compression check just for the hell of it but got lazy, besides my wife started to laugh at me and said " just cant leave well enough alone can ya" thats when I decided to wax it and not work on it Yup, waxing mine now. Although, and since I got a brand new compression gague, and since I plan on anti-seizing the plugs, I'll take a compression test for you and let you know what it is. Thermostat: I have owned about 10 boats over the years and worked on about 20 boats over the years. Never in all that time had I got/found a rock stuck in the t-stat. The night we picked up the boat, when the mechanic was giving us the " we are going to try to eliminate any liability " tour, he mentioned the temp gauge and said " if the temp gauge does not move off 120 then that means you have a rock stuck in the thermostat, try going full throttle to blow it out" . DAMMIT that rock has been in there for about 6 hours now. I already removed one and another just took its place. To hell with it, if it wants to come out it can come out on its own... Isn't there a screen on the pickup ? funny that small debris like that doesn't hurn the impeller or anything like that. so are you going to go out on the water today (7/4) I did last nite BIG FREAKING MISTAKE. got tossed around like a pinball. Is that what thats all about? I too went out yesturday, and I couldn't go over about 20 with all the chop, wish/wash stuff. Also, and on that rough idle "loping" and stuff.... Looking around on the web, it doesn't appear that this engine has much of a flywheel (other than starter ring gear). In a car, you either have a torque converter, or a full-on thick flywheel/pressure plate/clutch, both of which has a fair amount of weigh to give you the inerta to act as a good flywheel to smooth out the loping at idle. ; "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... You know, I never really noticed that my trim gauge is off, thanks now I see that mine is the same as yours. So yours is off a little bit too then ? In regards to the od oil I added maybe 20 cc to bring it up to the spot where the oil was the night I bought the boat ( slightly above the full line) since then that is where it has stayed. Same here. Just had it out for another 6 hours today, and it didn't move at ALL after adding that 20 cc . I have about 35 hours on mine so far , since I first got the boat I have noticed that the fuel consumption is actually getting better. Either the engine is starting to loosen up or I am getting better with the trim , all I know is that when we first got it, it would take 6 gallons to get to our favorite area on the river and back. Now we are down to 4 gallons.. Cool, cause I was worried about that. SAME thing - took me 1/4 tank to get out to that favorite sopt which didn't seem that far. Also, you will notice that the tank/gague is non linier near full - the first 1/4 tank goes fast, but takes a long long time to get down to 1/4 tank, and when it does get to 1/4 tank, you can peek in there on the right of the engine compartment, and it seems more like a 1/2 tank is left. Have you taken it up to its top speed yet (oh wait you cant till 20 ish hours) Ah, well, I think I "accidently" slipped and hit full throttle. it does 45 Mph, easy. IT RIDES LIKE HELLin slight chop, Man, no **** dude! - it beat the HELL out of me today with slight chop. That bothers me a little bit, but I'm new to fiberglass boats, so I don't know smooth from rought. However when I could stand going more that about 25 or 30, people were passing me up like nothing. but then again it is a 17.5 foot boat. Well, yeah, and maybe thats the downside of this boat. Price was good, but its no yacht. I think its funny that the book say WOT is 4800 and that the tach hits 4800 at wot no more no less. Ive never had a boat do that before. Is that good, or bad? (new to these boats) So not sure what you mean by "you never had a boat do that before " - you mean hit 4800 at WOT no matter what? But I gottta say, anything over 4000 for this motor just "seems" too fast. Just the general sound of it and all, just seems like its not happy over 4000. One thing I wish bayliner would have done is fill the area under the floor with some form of insulation. It does get kinda loud with the waves and ripples filtering thru the hull. Ah, BINGO! I said the SAME thing to by buddy today. (You are sopt-on on calling em on this boat) ANother thing I found was that this boat really likes 3200 rpm. or 28mph. At that speed your actually moving and not a sitting duck, and the ride is so much smoother. Dang dude, this is cool. That is my EXACT same observation! It has some natural sweep-spot or something, and it really likes EXACTALLY that 3200/28 Mph. Isn't that weird ? One last thing, I talked to the mechanic the nite we got the boat, he stated that there was no anti-sieze compound on the spark plugs. I took out the plugs and put some one, I wuold suggest you do the same.. Oh wow, thanks for the tip dude! I got tons of that anti-seeze out in the garage. When you took out the plugs, how'd they look ? So have you gotten a rock stuck in your thermostat yet. Ah, uh-oh... Is this a common problem? I did notice that it runs at a little over 175 (I'da thought a little cooler) Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... I have the exact same boat. after the second time out I had to add od oil to the monitor/resivior, since then I havent had to add oil (about 15 hours ago). I think that when the dealer installs the drive they are not getting all the air out of the system. At least thats my assumption. How is the boat running otherwise. When your at idle does the engine sound like it wants to die due to too low of idle. Mine idles fine but has that too low of idle setting lope. Dude!, this is scary! - reading this is like listening to "me"! You describe EXACTALLY what I've noticed. Cool. So, yeah, it was after the secod time I noticed the oil go down some. The first time out really didn't count since it was like gor 10-15 minutes, and I think I got it up on a slow plane for like 15 seconds max, then came in. Runs GREAT. And yeah, it is a charactoristic for this 3.0 to have that "too low of an idle lope/wanting to die sound/feel" - even my neighbor kept mentioning this. But it never does die, I'll give it that. Being new to big boats (non-Zodiac boats), the guy I was with kept having me practice coming into the dock at 90 degrees and turning it to get it to so sideways and walk it in to the dock. Anyways, that was all idling maneouvers, and throughout that whole time it was loping and sounding like it wanted to die. but it never ever does. So quick Q, when you had to add oil, how much diid you have to add? Also, do me a favor, go out and check your trim gague. Turn the key on, (put in ear plugs for that blaring alarm), and run the drive unit all the way down then check to see exactally where the trim gague points. Mine is not pointing exactally on the full down position on the gague - its up 1/8 inch from the full down mark, and hte sender is set as far as it can be set to one side. no biggie. So tell me more - how many hours you got on yours so far ? This is so fun! (being able to talk to someone with he exact sam boat) that rocks! Thanks!! Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
the bouncing is called Porpoising, the front of the boat bounces rythmicly
as you go forward like a porpoise. When it does that your prop is venilating, just trim back until it just stops. The rough ride is normal for a boat of this size, no matter what the material to make it is. come on its only 17ft., in the chop its going to ride like crap. So far the best thing I have found was to trim in a little to try to smooth out the ride. That and also put the cooler inbetween the front seats. (moving weight to the front of the boat will smooth out the ride a little) The engine noise: mmmmmmm Im thinking of some foam insulation. We need something that will stick to the fibreglass engine cover cuz I aint gonna drill holes to run screws in to hold it. Its gotta be thin because there is no room between the engine and cover. Its gotta be heat proof and gasoline proof. Or we could just turn up the stereo. ( did you have a stereo installed or are you going to do it yourself) I did mine myself, VERY NERVE WRACKING. I would really appreciate the compression check, then Ill run one as well and we can compare data (besides I would like to look at the plugs anyway) There is no screen for the water intake. it doesnt screw up the impeller. speaking of impellers and drive line, have you beached yours yet, if so would you look at your prop, at the base of the prop where it fits into the lower unit, is the paint on the prop chewed up. Mine is, it think its from sand getting in there because the lower unit got buried and I started it up. Flywheel, I thought we had a regular flywheel in/on ours. could you send a link about this engine. anything would be appreciated. With it being july 4 I was expecting it to be busy on the river, and boy was I right, It was insane. everybody who owned a boat or knew someone who had a boat was out. I think Ill just do like I used to do. STAY THE HELL OUT OF THERE untill next weekend when things calm down. Do you boat on a river or lake. Im in St Charles MO, (suburb of St louis) and we play on the mississippi. "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... my trim gauge is off abit, but it does not hinder operation so Im not worried about it I usually trim out till the boat starts bouncing and then go in till it just stops.. So it will "bounce" when trimmed out to far? Like an up/down bounce? (I always wondered how to find the right trim setting) Fuel milage: I was worried about that as well. also you gotta take in mind that the fuel tank is a little goofy. since its shaped like two boxes staked on eachother with the top box half as big as the bottom, and the fuel sender is on the top, our gas gauge is going to be inaccurate. One of these days Im going to measure how much gas that top portion holds and mark that on the tank . Spot on! - that tank shape accounts for that first 1/4 going so fast. Top speed Yeah accidents happen. The first nite my wife and I had ours out it accidently jumped to 4500 rpm.. Fibreglass boats or wood or steel or concrete or playdough or Leggo's This boat is rough at top speed. I wonder if this is normal? Or just the design of the boat. After all, it *is* and entry level boat that MSRP's uner $10K. WOT: I have never had a boat that did exactly what it should, thats the part that amazes me. The book said 4800 rpm, Ill be damned the boat does 4800rpm. I guess thats a benefit of owning somthing new. I gotcha. Cool. I've only been up to 4500 once/twice. (only 10 hours) Dont worry about the noise of the engine. If you look at this link you will see that its GONNA BE LOUD I wonder if one can line the inside of the engine cover with that foil coated fiberglass insulation that the older Bayliners have? http://www.boattest.com/Yes-results-434.aspx Thats some cool data! - thanks ! Sweet spot: I think its wierd that at 3200rpm its totally happy, but at 3100 it bitches and fights but at 3300 It bounces and complains and you cant talk over it Thats just the natual resonance of the vessel frame, and drive line. My plugs looked great, was thinking of running a compression check just for the hell of it but got lazy, besides my wife started to laugh at me and said " just cant leave well enough alone can ya" thats when I decided to wax it and not work on it Yup, waxing mine now. Although, and since I got a brand new compression gague, and since I plan on anti-seizing the plugs, I'll take a compression test for you and let you know what it is. Thermostat: I have owned about 10 boats over the years and worked on about 20 boats over the years. Never in all that time had I got/found a rock stuck in the t-stat. The night we picked up the boat, when the mechanic was giving us the " we are going to try to eliminate any liability " tour, he mentioned the temp gauge and said " if the temp gauge does not move off 120 then that means you have a rock stuck in the thermostat, try going full throttle to blow it out" . DAMMIT that rock has been in there for about 6 hours now. I already removed one and another just took its place. To hell with it, if it wants to come out it can come out on its own... Isn't there a screen on the pickup ? funny that small debris like that doesn't hurn the impeller or anything like that. so are you going to go out on the water today (7/4) I did last nite BIG FREAKING MISTAKE. got tossed around like a pinball. Is that what thats all about? I too went out yesturday, and I couldn't go over about 20 with all the chop, wish/wash stuff. Also, and on that rough idle "loping" and stuff.... Looking around on the web, it doesn't appear that this engine has much of a flywheel (other than starter ring gear). In a car, you either have a torque converter, or a full-on thick flywheel/pressure plate/clutch, both of which has a fair amount of weigh to give you the inerta to act as a good flywheel to smooth out the loping at idle. ; "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... You know, I never really noticed that my trim gauge is off, thanks now I see that mine is the same as yours. So yours is off a little bit too then ? In regards to the od oil I added maybe 20 cc to bring it up to the spot where the oil was the night I bought the boat ( slightly above the full line) since then that is where it has stayed. Same here. Just had it out for another 6 hours today, and it didn't move at ALL after adding that 20 cc . I have about 35 hours on mine so far , since I first got the boat I have noticed that the fuel consumption is actually getting better. Either the engine is starting to loosen up or I am getting better with the trim , all I know is that when we first got it, it would take 6 gallons to get to our favorite area on the river and back. Now we are down to 4 gallons.. Cool, cause I was worried about that. SAME thing - took me 1/4 tank to get out to that favorite sopt which didn't seem that far. Also, you will notice that the tank/gague is non linier near full - the first 1/4 tank goes fast, but takes a long long time to get down to 1/4 tank, and when it does get to 1/4 tank, you can peek in there on the right of the engine compartment, and it seems more like a 1/2 tank is left. Have you taken it up to its top speed yet (oh wait you cant till 20 ish hours) Ah, well, I think I "accidently" slipped and hit full throttle. it does 45 Mph, easy. IT RIDES LIKE HELLin slight chop, Man, no **** dude! - it beat the HELL out of me today with slight chop. That bothers me a little bit, but I'm new to fiberglass boats, so I don't know smooth from rought. However when I could stand going more that about 25 or 30, people were passing me up like nothing. but then again it is a 17.5 foot boat. Well, yeah, and maybe thats the downside of this boat. Price was good, but its no yacht. I think its funny that the book say WOT is 4800 and that the tach hits 4800 at wot no more no less. Ive never had a boat do that before. Is that good, or bad? (new to these boats) So not sure what you mean by "you never had a boat do that before " - you mean hit 4800 at WOT no matter what? But I gottta say, anything over 4000 for this motor just "seems" too fast. Just the general sound of it and all, just seems like its not happy over 4000. One thing I wish bayliner would have done is fill the area under the floor with some form of insulation. It does get kinda loud with the waves and ripples filtering thru the hull. Ah, BINGO! I said the SAME thing to by buddy today. (You are sopt-on on calling em on this boat) ANother thing I found was that this boat really likes 3200 rpm. or 28mph. At that speed your actually moving and not a sitting duck, and the ride is so much smoother. Dang dude, this is cool. That is my EXACT same observation! It has some natural sweep-spot or something, and it really likes EXACTALLY that 3200/28 Mph. Isn't that weird ? One last thing, I talked to the mechanic the nite we got the boat, he stated that there was no anti-sieze compound on the spark plugs. I took out the plugs and put some one, I wuold suggest you do the same.. Oh wow, thanks for the tip dude! I got tons of that anti-seeze out in the garage. When you took out the plugs, how'd they look ? So have you gotten a rock stuck in your thermostat yet. Ah, uh-oh... Is this a common problem? I did notice that it runs at a little over 175 (I'da thought a little cooler) Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... I have the exact same boat. after the second time out I had to add od oil to the monitor/resivior, since then I havent had to add oil (about 15 hours ago). I think that when the dealer installs the drive they are not getting all the air out of the system. At least thats my assumption. How is the boat running otherwise. When your at idle does the engine sound like it wants to die due to too low of idle. Mine idles fine but has that too low of idle setting lope. Dude!, this is scary! - reading this is like listening to "me"! You describe EXACTALLY what I've noticed. Cool. So, yeah, it was after the secod time I noticed the oil go down some. The first time out really didn't count since it was like gor 10-15 minutes, and I think I got it up on a slow plane for like 15 seconds max, then came in. Runs GREAT. And yeah, it is a charactoristic for this 3.0 to have that "too low of an idle lope/wanting to die sound/feel" - even my neighbor kept mentioning this. But it never does die, I'll give it that. Being new to big boats (non-Zodiac boats), the guy I was with kept having me practice coming into the dock at 90 degrees and turning it to get it to so sideways and walk it in to the dock. Anyways, that was all idling maneouvers, and throughout that whole time it was loping and sounding like it wanted to die. but it never ever does. So quick Q, when you had to add oil, how much diid you have to add? Also, do me a favor, go out and check your trim gague. Turn the key on, (put in ear plugs for that blaring alarm), and run the drive unit all the way down then check to see exactally where the trim gague points. Mine is not pointing exactally on the full down position on the gague - its up 1/8 inch from the full down mark, and hte sender is set as far as it can be set to one side. no biggie. So tell me more - how many hours you got on yours so far ? This is so fun! (being able to talk to someone with he exact sam boat) that rocks! Thanks!! Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
"seeray28" wrote in message ... The rough ride is normal for a boat of this size, no matter what the material to make it is. come on its only 17ft., in the chop its going to ride like crap. So far the best thing I have found was to trim in a little to try to smooth out the ride. That and also put the cooler inbetween the front seats. (moving weight to the front of the boat will smooth out the ride a little) I've done both, and yes, it does help. The engine noise: mmmmmmm Im thinking of some foam insulation. We need something that will stick to the fibreglass engine cover cuz I aint gonna drill holes to run screws in to hold it. Its gotta be thin because there is no room between the engine and cover. Its gotta be heat proof and gasoline proof. They make just the stuff for that - The bigger Bayliners have it. Its like self stick foil backed fiberglass insulation maybe like 1/2 inch thick, then also taped down with foil tape. As soon as I find the source for it, I'll let you know. Also seen them use this stuff on American Hot Rod. (GAWD I hate that fricken show..) All that wrangling, fighting, swearing, and ****, and Boyd Cottleton is a ROYAL f-ing A-hole. Surprized he landed that wife he got. Or we could just turn up the stereo. ( did you have a stereo installed or are you going to do it yourself) I did mine myself, VERY NERVE WRACKING. How so? I was JUST about to do this myself, and still looking at marine radio kits on the web. Looks easy. No ? What the drilling, sawing etc ? I would really appreciate the compression check, then Ill run one as well and we can compare data (besides I would like to look at the plugs anyway) Yup, will do. There is no screen for the water intake. it doesnt screw up the impeller. speaking of impellers and drive line, have you beached yours yet, if so would you look at your prop, at the base of the prop where it fits into the lower unit, is the paint on the prop chewed up. Mine is, it think its from sand getting in there because the lower unit got buried and I started it up. Flywheel, I thought we had a regular flywheel in/on ours. define "regular" flywheel. Remember, on a car (with auto tranny) its just a piece of sheet metal with a light ring gear welded to the edge, hardly enough inerta to act as a flywheel. Its the weight of the oil-filled torque converter that gives a regular pasenger car the flywheel inertia. And in a manual, its the heavy pressure plate, clutch and flywheel. On these boads to you neither. I'll see if I can dig up a pic of it on the web. could you send a link about this engine. anything would be appreciated. Also poke around on: http://mercstuff.com/ With it being july 4 I was expecting it to be busy on the river, and boy was I right, It was insane. everybody who owned a boat or knew someone who had a boat was out. I think Ill just do like I used to do. STAY THE HELL OUT OF THERE untill next weekend when things calm down. Do you boat on a river or lake. Lakes in the Pacific NorthWest. Lost of water up here! Im in St Charles MO, (suburb of St louis) and we play on the mississippi. Is that a big enough river to play on? How fast does that river run? Can you sit on one place with the engine off without being wisked away? (I've always wondered about boats on a "river", and just how that would work). "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... my trim gauge is off abit, but it does not hinder operation so Im not worried about it I usually trim out till the boat starts bouncing and then go in till it just stops.. So it will "bounce" when trimmed out to far? Like an up/down bounce? (I always wondered how to find the right trim setting) Fuel milage: I was worried about that as well. also you gotta take in mind that the fuel tank is a little goofy. since its shaped like two boxes staked on eachother with the top box half as big as the bottom, and the fuel sender is on the top, our gas gauge is going to be inaccurate. One of these days Im going to measure how much gas that top portion holds and mark that on the tank . Spot on! - that tank shape accounts for that first 1/4 going so fast. Top speed Yeah accidents happen. The first nite my wife and I had ours out it accidently jumped to 4500 rpm.. Fibreglass boats or wood or steel or concrete or playdough or Leggo's This boat is rough at top speed. I wonder if this is normal? Or just the design of the boat. After all, it *is* and entry level boat that MSRP's uner $10K. WOT: I have never had a boat that did exactly what it should, thats the part that amazes me. The book said 4800 rpm, Ill be damned the boat does 4800rpm. I guess thats a benefit of owning somthing new. I gotcha. Cool. I've only been up to 4500 once/twice. (only 10 hours) Dont worry about the noise of the engine. If you look at this link you will see that its GONNA BE LOUD I wonder if one can line the inside of the engine cover with that foil coated fiberglass insulation that the older Bayliners have? http://www.boattest.com/Yes-results-434.aspx Thats some cool data! - thanks ! Sweet spot: I think its wierd that at 3200rpm its totally happy, but at 3100 it bitches and fights but at 3300 It bounces and complains and you cant talk over it Thats just the natual resonance of the vessel frame, and drive line. My plugs looked great, was thinking of running a compression check just for the hell of it but got lazy, besides my wife started to laugh at me and said " just cant leave well enough alone can ya" thats when I decided to wax it and not work on it Yup, waxing mine now. Although, and since I got a brand new compression gague, and since I plan on anti-seizing the plugs, I'll take a compression test for you and let you know what it is. Thermostat: I have owned about 10 boats over the years and worked on about 20 boats over the years. Never in all that time had I got/found a rock stuck in the t-stat. The night we picked up the boat, when the mechanic was giving us the " we are going to try to eliminate any liability " tour, he mentioned the temp gauge and said " if the temp gauge does not move off 120 then that means you have a rock stuck in the thermostat, try going full throttle to blow it out" . DAMMIT that rock has been in there for about 6 hours now. I already removed one and another just took its place. To hell with it, if it wants to come out it can come out on its own... Isn't there a screen on the pickup ? funny that small debris like that doesn't hurn the impeller or anything like that. so are you going to go out on the water today (7/4) I did last nite BIG FREAKING MISTAKE. got tossed around like a pinball. Is that what thats all about? I too went out yesturday, and I couldn't go over about 20 with all the chop, wish/wash stuff. Also, and on that rough idle "loping" and stuff.... Looking around on the web, it doesn't appear that this engine has much of a flywheel (other than starter ring gear). In a car, you either have a torque converter, or a full-on thick flywheel/pressure plate/clutch, both of which has a fair amount of weigh to give you the inerta to act as a good flywheel to smooth out the loping at idle. ; "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... You know, I never really noticed that my trim gauge is off, thanks now I see that mine is the same as yours. So yours is off a little bit too then ? In regards to the od oil I added maybe 20 cc to bring it up to the spot where the oil was the night I bought the boat ( slightly above the full line) since then that is where it has stayed. Same here. Just had it out for another 6 hours today, and it didn't move at ALL after adding that 20 cc . I have about 35 hours on mine so far , since I first got the boat I have noticed that the fuel consumption is actually getting better. Either the engine is starting to loosen up or I am getting better with the trim , all I know is that when we first got it, it would take 6 gallons to get to our favorite area on the river and back. Now we are down to 4 gallons.. Cool, cause I was worried about that. SAME thing - took me 1/4 tank to get out to that favorite sopt which didn't seem that far. Also, you will notice that the tank/gague is non linier near full - the first 1/4 tank goes fast, but takes a long long time to get down to 1/4 tank, and when it does get to 1/4 tank, you can peek in there on the right of the engine compartment, and it seems more like a 1/2 tank is left. Have you taken it up to its top speed yet (oh wait you cant till 20 ish hours) Ah, well, I think I "accidently" slipped and hit full throttle. it does 45 Mph, easy. IT RIDES LIKE HELLin slight chop, Man, no **** dude! - it beat the HELL out of me today with slight chop. That bothers me a little bit, but I'm new to fiberglass boats, so I don't know smooth from rought. However when I could stand going more that about 25 or 30, people were passing me up like nothing. but then again it is a 17.5 foot boat. Well, yeah, and maybe thats the downside of this boat. Price was good, but its no yacht. I think its funny that the book say WOT is 4800 and that the tach hits 4800 at wot no more no less. Ive never had a boat do that before. Is that good, or bad? (new to these boats) So not sure what you mean by "you never had a boat do that before " - you mean hit 4800 at WOT no matter what? But I gottta say, anything over 4000 for this motor just "seems" too fast. Just the general sound of it and all, just seems like its not happy over 4000. One thing I wish bayliner would have done is fill the area under the floor with some form of insulation. It does get kinda loud with the waves and ripples filtering thru the hull. Ah, BINGO! I said the SAME thing to by buddy today. (You are sopt-on on calling em on this boat) ANother thing I found was that this boat really likes 3200 rpm. or 28mph. At that speed your actually moving and not a sitting duck, and the ride is so much smoother. Dang dude, this is cool. That is my EXACT same observation! It has some natural sweep-spot or something, and it really likes EXACTALLY that 3200/28 Mph. Isn't that weird ? One last thing, I talked to the mechanic the nite we got the boat, he stated that there was no anti-sieze compound on the spark plugs. I took out the plugs and put some one, I wuold suggest you do the same.. Oh wow, thanks for the tip dude! I got tons of that anti-seeze out in the garage. When you took out the plugs, how'd they look ? So have you gotten a rock stuck in your thermostat yet. Ah, uh-oh... Is this a common problem? I did notice that it runs at a little over 175 (I'da thought a little cooler) Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... I have the exact same boat. after the second time out I had to add od oil to the monitor/resivior, since then I havent had to add oil (about 15 hours ago). I think that when the dealer installs the drive they are not getting all the air out of the system. At least thats my assumption. How is the boat running otherwise. When your at idle does the engine sound like it wants to die due to too low of idle. Mine idles fine but has that too low of idle setting lope. Dude!, this is scary! - reading this is like listening to "me"! You describe EXACTALLY what I've noticed. Cool. So, yeah, it was after the secod time I noticed the oil go down some. The first time out really didn't count since it was like gor 10-15 minutes, and I think I got it up on a slow plane for like 15 seconds max, then came in. Runs GREAT. And yeah, it is a charactoristic for this 3.0 to have that "too low of an idle lope/wanting to die sound/feel" - even my neighbor kept mentioning this. But it never does die, I'll give it that. Being new to big boats (non-Zodiac boats), the guy I was with kept having me practice coming into the dock at 90 degrees and turning it to get it to so sideways and walk it in to the dock. Anyways, that was all idling maneouvers, and throughout that whole time it was loping and sounding like it wanted to die. but it never ever does. So quick Q, when you had to add oil, how much diid you have to add? Also, do me a favor, go out and check your trim gague. Turn the key on, (put in ear plugs for that blaring alarm), and run the drive unit all the way down then check to see exactally where the trim gague points. Mine is not pointing exactally on the full down position on the gague - its up 1/8 inch from the full down mark, and hte sender is set as far as it can be set to one side. no biggie. So tell me more - how many hours you got on yours so far ? This is so fun! (being able to talk to someone with he exact sam boat) that rocks! Thanks!! Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
"Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... The rough ride is normal for a boat of this size, no matter what the material to make it is. come on its only 17ft., in the chop its going to ride like crap. So far the best thing I have found was to trim in a little to try to smooth out the ride. That and also put the cooler inbetween the front seats. (moving weight to the front of the boat will smooth out the ride a little) I've done both, and yes, it does help. The engine noise: mmmmmmm Im thinking of some foam insulation. We need something that will stick to the fibreglass engine cover cuz I aint gonna drill holes to run screws in to hold it. Its gotta be thin because there is no room between the engine and cover. Its gotta be heat proof and gasoline proof. They make just the stuff for that - The bigger Bayliners have it. Its like self stick foil backed fiberglass insulation maybe like 1/2 inch thick, then also taped down with foil tape. As soon as I find the source for it, I'll let you know. Also seen them use this stuff on American Hot Rod. (GAWD I hate that fricken show..) All that wrangling, fighting, swearing, and ****, and Boyd Cottleton is a ROYAL f-ing A-hole. Surprized he landed that wife he got. Yeah he is a bit the jack O** I think I watched that show 2 times and monster garage about 5 times and said, gee Im paying how much a month for these wonderfull tv shows. If my cable co. got there heads out of there asses I would only have the hispeed internet and not cable and hispeed, unfortunatly you gotta have cable to get the hispeed Or we could just turn up the stereo. ( did you have a stereo installed or are you going to do it yourself) I did mine myself, VERY NERVE WRACKING. How so? I was JUST about to do this myself, and still looking at marine radio kits on the web. Looks easy. No ? What the drilling, sawing etc ? Ok, you gotta realize the following, I am 36 years old and have never purchased a car or boat Brand New. I hate payments therefore I have always bought old and abused stuff for me to make older and more abused, this is my very first Brand new anything . Just the thought of cutting a hole in the dashboard scared the hell out of me. Once I got the hole cut for the radio the wiring was simple. I put the speakers under the dashboards and ran the wires up under the front seats and put the antennea there as well. I gotta admit the installation looks good. I would really appreciate the compression check, then Ill run one as well and we can compare data (besides I would like to look at the plugs anyway) Yup, will do. I just did mine 175,180,180,175. at least its a balanced engine. the plugs looked fine I checked the gap, still .45 so I just reinstalled them There is no screen for the water intake. it doesnt screw up the impeller. speaking of impellers and drive line, have you beached yours yet, if so would you look at your prop, at the base of the prop where it fits into the lower unit, is the paint on the prop chewed up. Mine is, it think its from sand getting in there because the lower unit got buried and I started it up. Flywheel, I thought we had a regular flywheel in/on ours. define "regular" flywheel. Remember, on a car (with auto tranny) its just a piece of sheet metal with a light ring gear welded to the edge, hardly enough inerta to act as a flywheel. Its the weight of the oil-filled torque converter that gives a regular pasenger car the flywheel inertia. And in a manual, its the heavy pressure plate, clutch and flywheel. On these boads to you neither. I'll see if I can dig up a pic of it on the web. Good point, for some reason I was thinking its a manual shift flywheel. could you send a link about this engine. anything would be appreciated. Also poke around on: http://mercstuff.com/ With it being july 4 I was expecting it to be busy on the river, and boy was I right, It was insane. everybody who owned a boat or knew someone who had a boat was out. I think Ill just do like I used to do. STAY THE HELL OUT OF THERE untill next weekend when things calm down. Do you boat on a river or lake. Lakes in the Pacific NorthWest. Lost of water up here! Im in St Charles MO, (suburb of St louis) and we play on the mississippi. Is that a big enough river to play on? How fast does that river run? Can you sit on one place with the engine off without being wisked away? (I've always wondered about boats on a "river", and just how that would work). I boat on the Alton Pool its a 40 mile stretch beween the winfield lock and dam and the Alton lock and dam. the river at some points is about 3/4 mile wide. Sometimes it does get a little tight but if your smart and go upstream where there are limited sandbars it is a lot quieter ( and yes there are some sandbars up there, just not as many as downstream, thats why everyone goes downstream) Can you be whisked away, oh yeah,but my wife and I have discovered that floating along out of the boat with life jackets on is very relaxing. if you want to anchor in the river DONT anchor in the barge channel, thats a nice way to get your boat wrecked by a barge. Dont anchor by the hold down eyes on the back of the boat, thatll swamp ya for sure. and put out plenty of rope from the bow eye (7:1 works best or 75 feet of rope with a danforth anchor) and dont bother to use your cleats, just use your bow eye to tie the anchor to, the boat will track in a straight line off the bow eye and will swerve with the current if tied off with a cleat. As far as speed of the current it varies with the weather and the guy at the Winfield lock and dam. I personally think that if he is having a bad day he lets more water thru the dam to turn up the current just to screw with the boaters. "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... my trim gauge is off abit, but it does not hinder operation so Im not worried about it I usually trim out till the boat starts bouncing and then go in till it just stops.. So it will "bounce" when trimmed out to far? Like an up/down bounce? (I always wondered how to find the right trim setting) Fuel milage: I was worried about that as well. also you gotta take in mind that the fuel tank is a little goofy. since its shaped like two boxes staked on eachother with the top box half as big as the bottom, and the fuel sender is on the top, our gas gauge is going to be inaccurate. One of these days Im going to measure how much gas that top portion holds and mark that on the tank . Spot on! - that tank shape accounts for that first 1/4 going so fast. Top speed Yeah accidents happen. The first nite my wife and I had ours out it accidently jumped to 4500 rpm.. Fibreglass boats or wood or steel or concrete or playdough or Leggo's This boat is rough at top speed. I wonder if this is normal? Or just the design of the boat. After all, it *is* and entry level boat that MSRP's uner $10K. WOT: I have never had a boat that did exactly what it should, thats the part that amazes me. The book said 4800 rpm, Ill be damned the boat does 4800rpm. I guess thats a benefit of owning somthing new. I gotcha. Cool. I've only been up to 4500 once/twice. (only 10 hours) Dont worry about the noise of the engine. If you look at this link you will see that its GONNA BE LOUD I wonder if one can line the inside of the engine cover with that foil coated fiberglass insulation that the older Bayliners have? http://www.boattest.com/Yes-results-434.aspx Thats some cool data! - thanks ! Sweet spot: I think its wierd that at 3200rpm its totally happy, but at 3100 it bitches and fights but at 3300 It bounces and complains and you cant talk over it Thats just the natual resonance of the vessel frame, and drive line. My plugs looked great, was thinking of running a compression check just for the hell of it but got lazy, besides my wife started to laugh at me and said " just cant leave well enough alone can ya" thats when I decided to wax it and not work on it Yup, waxing mine now. Although, and since I got a brand new compression gague, and since I plan on anti-seizing the plugs, I'll take a compression test for you and let you know what it is. Thermostat: I have owned about 10 boats over the years and worked on about 20 boats over the years. Never in all that time had I got/found a rock stuck in the t-stat. The night we picked up the boat, when the mechanic was giving us the " we are going to try to eliminate any liability " tour, he mentioned the temp gauge and said " if the temp gauge does not move off 120 then that means you have a rock stuck in the thermostat, try going full throttle to blow it out" . DAMMIT that rock has been in there for about 6 hours now. I already removed one and another just took its place. To hell with it, if it wants to come out it can come out on its own... Isn't there a screen on the pickup ? funny that small debris like that doesn't hurn the impeller or anything like that. so are you going to go out on the water today (7/4) I did last nite BIG FREAKING MISTAKE. got tossed around like a pinball. Is that what thats all about? I too went out yesturday, and I couldn't go over about 20 with all the chop, wish/wash stuff. Also, and on that rough idle "loping" and stuff.... Looking around on the web, it doesn't appear that this engine has much of a flywheel (other than starter ring gear). In a car, you either have a torque converter, or a full-on thick flywheel/pressure plate/clutch, both of which has a fair amount of weigh to give you the inerta to act as a good flywheel to smooth out the loping at idle. ; "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... You know, I never really noticed that my trim gauge is off, thanks now I see that mine is the same as yours. So yours is off a little bit too then ? In regards to the od oil I added maybe 20 cc to bring it up to the spot where the oil was the night I bought the boat ( slightly above the full line) since then that is where it has stayed. Same here. Just had it out for another 6 hours today, and it didn't move at ALL after adding that 20 cc . I have about 35 hours on mine so far , since I first got the boat I have noticed that the fuel consumption is actually getting better. Either the engine is starting to loosen up or I am getting better with the trim , all I know is that when we first got it, it would take 6 gallons to get to our favorite area on the river and back. Now we are down to 4 gallons.. Cool, cause I was worried about that. SAME thing - took me 1/4 tank to get out to that favorite sopt which didn't seem that far. Also, you will notice that the tank/gague is non linier near full - the first 1/4 tank goes fast, but takes a long long time to get down to 1/4 tank, and when it does get to 1/4 tank, you can peek in there on the right of the engine compartment, and it seems more like a 1/2 tank is left. Have you taken it up to its top speed yet (oh wait you cant till 20 ish hours) Ah, well, I think I "accidently" slipped and hit full throttle. it does 45 Mph, easy. IT RIDES LIKE HELLin slight chop, Man, no **** dude! - it beat the HELL out of me today with slight chop. That bothers me a little bit, but I'm new to fiberglass boats, so I don't know smooth from rought. However when I could stand going more that about 25 or 30, people were passing me up like nothing. but then again it is a 17.5 foot boat. Well, yeah, and maybe thats the downside of this boat. Price was good, but its no yacht. I think its funny that the book say WOT is 4800 and that the tach hits 4800 at wot no more no less. Ive never had a boat do that before. Is that good, or bad? (new to these boats) So not sure what you mean by "you never had a boat do that before " - you mean hit 4800 at WOT no matter what? But I gottta say, anything over 4000 for this motor just "seems" too fast. Just the general sound of it and all, just seems like its not happy over 4000. One thing I wish bayliner would have done is fill the area under the floor with some form of insulation. It does get kinda loud with the waves and ripples filtering thru the hull. Ah, BINGO! I said the SAME thing to by buddy today. (You are sopt-on on calling em on this boat) ANother thing I found was that this boat really likes 3200 rpm. or 28mph. At that speed your actually moving and not a sitting duck, and the ride is so much smoother. Dang dude, this is cool. That is my EXACT same observation! It has some natural sweep-spot or something, and it really likes EXACTALLY that 3200/28 Mph. Isn't that weird ? One last thing, I talked to the mechanic the nite we got the boat, he stated that there was no anti-sieze compound on the spark plugs. I took out the plugs and put some one, I wuold suggest you do the same.. Oh wow, thanks for the tip dude! I got tons of that anti-seeze out in the garage. When you took out the plugs, how'd they look ? So have you gotten a rock stuck in your thermostat yet. Ah, uh-oh... Is this a common problem? I did notice that it runs at a little over 175 (I'da thought a little cooler) Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... I have the exact same boat. after the second time out I had to add od oil to the monitor/resivior, since then I havent had to add oil (about 15 hours ago). I think that when the dealer installs the drive they are not getting all the air out of the system. At least thats my assumption. How is the boat running otherwise. When your at idle does the engine sound like it wants to die due to too low of idle. Mine idles fine but has that too low of idle setting lope. Dude!, this is scary! - reading this is like listening to "me"! You describe EXACTALLY what I've noticed. Cool. So, yeah, it was after the secod time I noticed the oil go down some. The first time out really didn't count since it was like gor 10-15 minutes, and I think I got it up on a slow plane for like 15 seconds max, then came in. Runs GREAT. And yeah, it is a charactoristic for this 3.0 to have that "too low of an idle lope/wanting to die sound/feel" - even my neighbor kept mentioning this. But it never does die, I'll give it that. Being new to big boats (non-Zodiac boats), the guy I was with kept having me practice coming into the dock at 90 degrees and turning it to get it to so sideways and walk it in to the dock. Anyways, that was all idling maneouvers, and throughout that whole time it was loping and sounding like it wanted to die. but it never ever does. So quick Q, when you had to add oil, how much diid you have to add? Also, do me a favor, go out and check your trim gague. Turn the key on, (put in ear plugs for that blaring alarm), and run the drive unit all the way down then check to see exactally where the trim gague points. Mine is not pointing exactally on the full down position on the gague - its up 1/8 inch from the full down mark, and hte sender is set as far as it can be set to one side. no biggie. So tell me more - how many hours you got on yours so far ? This is so fun! (being able to talk to someone with he exact sam boat) that rocks! Thanks!! Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
I figured out how to take care of the gas tank/gauge issue if your
interested. I measured the depth of the tank with a tape measure. Without the top portion,the tank is right at 7 inches tall, I then divided 7 inches by 4 equalling 1.75 inches. starting at the bottom of the tank measure up 1.75 inches and make a mark with a magic marker. That is a 1/4 tank. measure again 1.75 inches from that mark now you have a 1/2 tank or 9 gallons left in the tank. Measure again from the 1/2 mark and now you have 3/4 tank. Measure again 1.75 and you have a full 18 gallons. When this boat was first produced it came with a 18 gallon fuel tank. In our boats they just added that top portion of the tank to get 21 gallons. If we use that as a reserve of 3 gallons then we should be ok "seeray28" wrote in message ... "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... The rough ride is normal for a boat of this size, no matter what the material to make it is. come on its only 17ft., in the chop its going to ride like crap. So far the best thing I have found was to trim in a little to try to smooth out the ride. That and also put the cooler inbetween the front seats. (moving weight to the front of the boat will smooth out the ride a little) I've done both, and yes, it does help. The engine noise: mmmmmmm Im thinking of some foam insulation. We need something that will stick to the fibreglass engine cover cuz I aint gonna drill holes to run screws in to hold it. Its gotta be thin because there is no room between the engine and cover. Its gotta be heat proof and gasoline proof. They make just the stuff for that - The bigger Bayliners have it. Its like self stick foil backed fiberglass insulation maybe like 1/2 inch thick, then also taped down with foil tape. As soon as I find the source for it, I'll let you know. Also seen them use this stuff on American Hot Rod. (GAWD I hate that fricken show..) All that wrangling, fighting, swearing, and ****, and Boyd Cottleton is a ROYAL f-ing A-hole. Surprized he landed that wife he got. Yeah he is a bit the jack O** I think I watched that show 2 times and monster garage about 5 times and said, gee Im paying how much a month for these wonderfull tv shows. If my cable co. got there heads out of there asses I would only have the hispeed internet and not cable and hispeed, unfortunatly you gotta have cable to get the hispeed Or we could just turn up the stereo. ( did you have a stereo installed or are you going to do it yourself) I did mine myself, VERY NERVE WRACKING. How so? I was JUST about to do this myself, and still looking at marine radio kits on the web. Looks easy. No ? What the drilling, sawing etc ? Ok, you gotta realize the following, I am 36 years old and have never purchased a car or boat Brand New. I hate payments therefore I have always bought old and abused stuff for me to make older and more abused, this is my very first Brand new anything . Just the thought of cutting a hole in the dashboard scared the hell out of me. Once I got the hole cut for the radio the wiring was simple. I put the speakers under the dashboards and ran the wires up under the front seats and put the antennea there as well. I gotta admit the installation looks good. I would really appreciate the compression check, then Ill run one as well and we can compare data (besides I would like to look at the plugs anyway) Yup, will do. I just did mine 175,180,180,175. at least its a balanced engine. the plugs looked fine I checked the gap, still .45 so I just reinstalled them There is no screen for the water intake. it doesnt screw up the impeller. speaking of impellers and drive line, have you beached yours yet, if so would you look at your prop, at the base of the prop where it fits into the lower unit, is the paint on the prop chewed up. Mine is, it think its from sand getting in there because the lower unit got buried and I started it up. Flywheel, I thought we had a regular flywheel in/on ours. define "regular" flywheel. Remember, on a car (with auto tranny) its just a piece of sheet metal with a light ring gear welded to the edge, hardly enough inerta to act as a flywheel. Its the weight of the oil-filled torque converter that gives a regular pasenger car the flywheel inertia. And in a manual, its the heavy pressure plate, clutch and flywheel. On these boads to you neither. I'll see if I can dig up a pic of it on the web. Good point, for some reason I was thinking its a manual shift flywheel. could you send a link about this engine. anything would be appreciated. Also poke around on: http://mercstuff.com/ With it being july 4 I was expecting it to be busy on the river, and boy was I right, It was insane. everybody who owned a boat or knew someone who had a boat was out. I think Ill just do like I used to do. STAY THE HELL OUT OF THERE untill next weekend when things calm down. Do you boat on a river or lake. Lakes in the Pacific NorthWest. Lost of water up here! Im in St Charles MO, (suburb of St louis) and we play on the mississippi. Is that a big enough river to play on? How fast does that river run? Can you sit on one place with the engine off without being wisked away? (I've always wondered about boats on a "river", and just how that would work). I boat on the Alton Pool its a 40 mile stretch beween the winfield lock and dam and the Alton lock and dam. the river at some points is about 3/4 mile wide. Sometimes it does get a little tight but if your smart and go upstream where there are limited sandbars it is a lot quieter ( and yes there are some sandbars up there, just not as many as downstream, thats why everyone goes downstream) Can you be whisked away, oh yeah,but my wife and I have discovered that floating along out of the boat with life jackets on is very relaxing. if you want to anchor in the river DONT anchor in the barge channel, thats a nice way to get your boat wrecked by a barge. Dont anchor by the hold down eyes on the back of the boat, thatll swamp ya for sure. and put out plenty of rope from the bow eye (7:1 works best or 75 feet of rope with a danforth anchor) and dont bother to use your cleats, just use your bow eye to tie the anchor to, the boat will track in a straight line off the bow eye and will swerve with the current if tied off with a cleat. As far as speed of the current it varies with the weather and the guy at the Winfield lock and dam. I personally think that if he is having a bad day he lets more water thru the dam to turn up the current just to screw with the boaters. "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... my trim gauge is off abit, but it does not hinder operation so Im not worried about it I usually trim out till the boat starts bouncing and then go in till it just stops.. So it will "bounce" when trimmed out to far? Like an up/down bounce? (I always wondered how to find the right trim setting) Fuel milage: I was worried about that as well. also you gotta take in mind that the fuel tank is a little goofy. since its shaped like two boxes staked on eachother with the top box half as big as the bottom, and the fuel sender is on the top, our gas gauge is going to be inaccurate. One of these days Im going to measure how much gas that top portion holds and mark that on the tank . Spot on! - that tank shape accounts for that first 1/4 going so fast. Top speed Yeah accidents happen. The first nite my wife and I had ours out it accidently jumped to 4500 rpm.. Fibreglass boats or wood or steel or concrete or playdough or Leggo's This boat is rough at top speed. I wonder if this is normal? Or just the design of the boat. After all, it *is* and entry level boat that MSRP's uner $10K. WOT: I have never had a boat that did exactly what it should, thats the part that amazes me. The book said 4800 rpm, Ill be damned the boat does 4800rpm. I guess thats a benefit of owning somthing new. I gotcha. Cool. I've only been up to 4500 once/twice. (only 10 hours) Dont worry about the noise of the engine. If you look at this link you will see that its GONNA BE LOUD I wonder if one can line the inside of the engine cover with that foil coated fiberglass insulation that the older Bayliners have? http://www.boattest.com/Yes-results-434.aspx Thats some cool data! - thanks ! Sweet spot: I think its wierd that at 3200rpm its totally happy, but at 3100 it bitches and fights but at 3300 It bounces and complains and you cant talk over it Thats just the natual resonance of the vessel frame, and drive line. My plugs looked great, was thinking of running a compression check just for the hell of it but got lazy, besides my wife started to laugh at me and said " just cant leave well enough alone can ya" thats when I decided to wax it and not work on it Yup, waxing mine now. Although, and since I got a brand new compression gague, and since I plan on anti-seizing the plugs, I'll take a compression test for you and let you know what it is. Thermostat: I have owned about 10 boats over the years and worked on about 20 boats over the years. Never in all that time had I got/found a rock stuck in the t-stat. The night we picked up the boat, when the mechanic was giving us the " we are going to try to eliminate any liability " tour, he mentioned the temp gauge and said " if the temp gauge does not move off 120 then that means you have a rock stuck in the thermostat, try going full throttle to blow it out" . DAMMIT that rock has been in there for about 6 hours now. I already removed one and another just took its place. To hell with it, if it wants to come out it can come out on its own... Isn't there a screen on the pickup ? funny that small debris like that doesn't hurn the impeller or anything like that. so are you going to go out on the water today (7/4) I did last nite BIG FREAKING MISTAKE. got tossed around like a pinball. Is that what thats all about? I too went out yesturday, and I couldn't go over about 20 with all the chop, wish/wash stuff. Also, and on that rough idle "loping" and stuff.... Looking around on the web, it doesn't appear that this engine has much of a flywheel (other than starter ring gear). In a car, you either have a torque converter, or a full-on thick flywheel/pressure plate/clutch, both of which has a fair amount of weigh to give you the inerta to act as a good flywheel to smooth out the loping at idle. ; "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... You know, I never really noticed that my trim gauge is off, thanks now I see that mine is the same as yours. So yours is off a little bit too then ? In regards to the od oil I added maybe 20 cc to bring it up to the spot where the oil was the night I bought the boat ( slightly above the full line) since then that is where it has stayed. Same here. Just had it out for another 6 hours today, and it didn't move at ALL after adding that 20 cc . I have about 35 hours on mine so far , since I first got the boat I have noticed that the fuel consumption is actually getting better. Either the engine is starting to loosen up or I am getting better with the trim , all I know is that when we first got it, it would take 6 gallons to get to our favorite area on the river and back. Now we are down to 4 gallons.. Cool, cause I was worried about that. SAME thing - took me 1/4 tank to get out to that favorite sopt which didn't seem that far. Also, you will notice that the tank/gague is non linier near full - the first 1/4 tank goes fast, but takes a long long time to get down to 1/4 tank, and when it does get to 1/4 tank, you can peek in there on the right of the engine compartment, and it seems more like a 1/2 tank is left. Have you taken it up to its top speed yet (oh wait you cant till 20 ish hours) Ah, well, I think I "accidently" slipped and hit full throttle. it does 45 Mph, easy. IT RIDES LIKE HELLin slight chop, Man, no **** dude! - it beat the HELL out of me today with slight chop. That bothers me a little bit, but I'm new to fiberglass boats, so I don't know smooth from rought. However when I could stand going more that about 25 or 30, people were passing me up like nothing. but then again it is a 17.5 foot boat. Well, yeah, and maybe thats the downside of this boat. Price was good, but its no yacht. I think its funny that the book say WOT is 4800 and that the tach hits 4800 at wot no more no less. Ive never had a boat do that before. Is that good, or bad? (new to these boats) So not sure what you mean by "you never had a boat do that before " - you mean hit 4800 at WOT no matter what? But I gottta say, anything over 4000 for this motor just "seems" too fast. Just the general sound of it and all, just seems like its not happy over 4000. One thing I wish bayliner would have done is fill the area under the floor with some form of insulation. It does get kinda loud with the waves and ripples filtering thru the hull. Ah, BINGO! I said the SAME thing to by buddy today. (You are sopt-on on calling em on this boat) ANother thing I found was that this boat really likes 3200 rpm. or 28mph. At that speed your actually moving and not a sitting duck, and the ride is so much smoother. Dang dude, this is cool. That is my EXACT same observation! It has some natural sweep-spot or something, and it really likes EXACTALLY that 3200/28 Mph. Isn't that weird ? One last thing, I talked to the mechanic the nite we got the boat, he stated that there was no anti-sieze compound on the spark plugs. I took out the plugs and put some one, I wuold suggest you do the same.. Oh wow, thanks for the tip dude! I got tons of that anti-seeze out in the garage. When you took out the plugs, how'd they look ? So have you gotten a rock stuck in your thermostat yet. Ah, uh-oh... Is this a common problem? I did notice that it runs at a little over 175 (I'da thought a little cooler) Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... "seeray28" wrote in message ... I have the exact same boat. after the second time out I had to add od oil to the monitor/resivior, since then I havent had to add oil (about 15 hours ago). I think that when the dealer installs the drive they are not getting all the air out of the system. At least thats my assumption. How is the boat running otherwise. When your at idle does the engine sound like it wants to die due to too low of idle. Mine idles fine but has that too low of idle setting lope. Dude!, this is scary! - reading this is like listening to "me"! You describe EXACTALLY what I've noticed. Cool. So, yeah, it was after the secod time I noticed the oil go down some. The first time out really didn't count since it was like gor 10-15 minutes, and I think I got it up on a slow plane for like 15 seconds max, then came in. Runs GREAT. And yeah, it is a charactoristic for this 3.0 to have that "too low of an idle lope/wanting to die sound/feel" - even my neighbor kept mentioning this. But it never does die, I'll give it that. Being new to big boats (non-Zodiac boats), the guy I was with kept having me practice coming into the dock at 90 degrees and turning it to get it to so sideways and walk it in to the dock. Anyways, that was all idling maneouvers, and throughout that whole time it was loping and sounding like it wanted to die. but it never ever does. So quick Q, when you had to add oil, how much diid you have to add? Also, do me a favor, go out and check your trim gague. Turn the key on, (put in ear plugs for that blaring alarm), and run the drive unit all the way down then check to see exactally where the trim gague points. Mine is not pointing exactally on the full down position on the gague - its up 1/8 inch from the full down mark, and hte sender is set as far as it can be set to one side. no biggie. So tell me more - how many hours you got on yours so far ? This is so fun! (being able to talk to someone with he exact sam boat) that rocks! Thanks!! Steve "Mr Wizzard" wrote in message ... Got my new 2005 Bayliner 17.5 Capi out on the BIG lake for the fist time the other night for about 6 hours or so, and I noticied that the little plastic "drive lube oil" resivour was down about 1/2 inch - is this normal ? I checked it just before I went out, and it was a tad bit over the top line of the operating range, now its right between the two lines. So where did this little bit of oil go? Its not much, I know, just wondering if its normal for a brand new boat be using any grear lube oil at all. (i.e., isn't this a closed system?) Or maybe that now since I gave it a good work-out out on the lake, that its just settled, or filled in all of the air pockets/voids in the outdrive? Thanks! |
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