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*JimH* July 2nd 05 03:06 AM


"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:11:24 GMT, Don White
wrote:

HarryKrause wrote:
John H wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:00:53 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:


wrote:

John H wrote:


We left Deale at 6:30, with the boat running perfectly after a
$1000 (rough
estimate) repair bill!

OldFart brought a bunch of lures and we dropped lines just south of
#83A in
about 32 feet of water. Two rods had umbrellas, one with white
sassy shads, the
other with green. Both of them were loaded with clear Storm Shads
with the
hooks. The other two rods were loaded with a spoon and a bucktail
in tandem.

During the first hour we caught a dink or two, and I showed OldFart
how to lose
one after a good takedown. He then proceeded to show me how to lose
an even
bigger one!

About 8:30, all hell broke loose. Three rods went down in about 30
seconds. He
pulled in a double, with a blue (about 20") and a nice striper
(25") one the
same line. I also had a double, two stripers, one about 22" and the
other about
17". The small one went back, but before we could get both of
OldFart's fish
into the cooler, another rod went down. This was another striper,
about 22" or
so. Wow! Three keepers and a blue almost simultaneously!

I marked the spot and we spent another couple hours doing figure
eights centered
thereon, but caught only a dink and another one that may have made
18" if we
smashed its head a little flatter. Finally, after about another
hour, we caught
our last striper, an 18"er, which got us our limit.

On the way in we saw a bunch of breakers in Herring Bay, and OF
managed to pull
in a 12" striper casting into the baitfish. I managed to snag a
cow-nosed ray in
one of its wings. Cost me a nice lure.

A great day with great company!
--
John H


Yeah, sure. I find it odd that you don't think Harry can find a fish
in
all of the bay, but you just slay them every time you go out!!!


Herring leaves his house at 5 am or earlier to clear Deale at 6:30 (I
know where Herring lives), trolls with another guy for hours in sight
of the entrance of Deale's harbor, and catches a handful of
non-keepers, and in siz hours catches four keepers, and injures a
beautiful ray.

That's not slaying them. And towing those heavy metal rigs around at
2 miles an hour on a hot as hell day isn't fishing, it's boredom.

But it doesn't matter.



But...the story is a true one, Harry!

I leave my house about 5:40, so you must not have me totally stalked!
Why should
I go for a long boat ride to catch fish, Harry? Would I be better
saying I ran
down to Solomon's Island and caught my four keepers? Sounds rather
stupid to me.




I don't have to stalk you to know how long it takes to get to Deale from
Franconia. Remember, we had an office a couple of blocks from where you
live. It's about 40 miles from your house to Deale, and you have to
contend with construction and the usual traffic on the Woodrow Wilson
Bridge and speed limits. And once you get to Deale, you still have to
get your stuff aboard and clear the Deale jettie. If you leave your
house at 5:40, you aren't clearing Deale at 6:30.

Oh...of those four keepers, how many did you catch?



That does seem like quite a distance to his marina. If I didn't mind
driving that distance on open highway with a 110 kph speed limit, I
could boat out of beautiful Mahone Bay.
http://www.mahonebay.com/visitor_index.html
note: both the large bay and the town are called Mahone Bay


It *is* more of a drive than I like, but Deale is the closest town to the
DC
beltway on the Chesapeake Bay. I allow myself 45 minutes, but usually get
there
in about 35. Of course, hitting the wrong light or two can change that by
five
to ten minutes.

If I were not into fishing at all, just pleasure boating, I'd just keep
the boat
on the Potomac, fifteen minutes away.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


It was a 45 minute drive to our last marina...and that was with no
construction or Cedar Point (amusement park) traffic.

The Sunday night drive home (after spending the weekend boating and spending
the nights on the boat) was usually worse as all the weekend boaters seemed
to leave at the same time.



John H July 2nd 05 03:22 AM

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 21:59:24 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

John H wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 16:22:14 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:


HarryKrause wrote:

John H wrote:


On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:00:53 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:



wrote:


John H wrote:



We left Deale at 6:30, with the boat running perfectly after a
$1000 (rough
estimate) repair bill!

OldFart brought a bunch of lures and we dropped lines just south of
#83A in
about 32 feet of water. Two rods had umbrellas, one with white
sassy shads, the
other with green. Both of them were loaded with clear Storm Shads
with the
hooks. The other two rods were loaded with a spoon and a bucktail
in tandem.

During the first hour we caught a dink or two, and I showed OldFart
how to lose
one after a good takedown. He then proceeded to show me how to lose
an even
bigger one!

About 8:30, all hell broke loose. Three rods went down in about 30
seconds. He
pulled in a double, with a blue (about 20") and a nice striper
(25") one the
same line. I also had a double, two stripers, one about 22" and the
other about
17". The small one went back, but before we could get both of
OldFart's fish
into the cooler, another rod went down. This was another striper,
about 22" or
so. Wow! Three keepers and a blue almost simultaneously!

I marked the spot and we spent another couple hours doing figure
eights centered
thereon, but caught only a dink and another one that may have made
18" if we
smashed its head a little flatter. Finally, after about another
hour, we caught
our last striper, an 18"er, which got us our limit.

On the way in we saw a bunch of breakers in Herring Bay, and OF
managed to pull
in a 12" striper casting into the baitfish. I managed to snag a
cow-nosed ray in
one of its wings. Cost me a nice lure.

A great day with great company!
--
John H


Yeah, sure. I find it odd that you don't think Harry can find a fish in
all of the bay, but you just slay them every time you go out!!!


Herring leaves his house at 5 am or earlier to clear Deale at 6:30 (I
know where Herring lives), trolls with another guy for hours in sight
of the entrance of Deale's harbor, and catches a handful of
non-keepers, and in siz hours catches four keepers, and injures a
beautiful ray.

That's not slaying them. And towing those heavy metal rigs around at
2 miles an hour on a hot as hell day isn't fishing, it's boredom.

But it doesn't matter.



But...the story is a true one, Harry!

I leave my house about 5:40, so you must not have me totally stalked!
Why should
I go for a long boat ride to catch fish, Harry? Would I be better
saying I ran
down to Solomon's Island and caught my four keepers? Sounds rather
stupid to me.




I don't have to stalk you to know how long it takes to get to Deale from
Franconia. Remember, we had an office a couple of blocks from where you
live. It's about 40 miles from your house to Deale, and you have to
contend with construction and the usual traffic on the Woodrow Wilson
Bridge and speed limits. And once you get to Deale, you still have to
get your stuff aboard and clear the Deale jettie. If you leave your
house at 5:40, you aren't clearing Deale at 6:30.

Oh...of those four keepers, how many did you catch?



That would be Deale jetties...



Oh, I just noticed. Now I see where you're coming from. No, we did not clear the
Deale jetty at 6:30. We left the *marina* at 6:30. It actually takes about 10
minutes travel down Rockhold Creek to clear the jetty and be able to get on
plane.

I suppose I should have said, "We left the *marina* at 6:30..."

Wow, now you can tell everyone you caught me in a 'lie'. Cool, Harry!

You've got it bad, Harry!



I don't believe you get from your house to the marina in Deale and onto
your boat ready to go in 50 minutes, either, not during morning rush.
There's almost always a jam between Telegraph and Route 1, and sometimes
the bridge itself is backed up. Not that it makes the slightest
different to me how long it takes you to get there.

You ought to consider trailering from Deale down to Solomons. The
fishing usually is much better south of the Gas Docks to Point Lookout
and across the Bay. For all the time and effort you put into fishing, to
catch one keep in six or more hours seems a small reward.


At 5:45, I've never run into a backup between Telegraph and Route 1. At 7:30,
yes, it slows considerably.

Apparently, as you keep mentioning it, is makes a great deal of difference to
you. Why, I don't know. In any case, you should try it.

As to trailering from Deale to Solomons, what would be the point? If we can
catch our limit of fish closer to Deale, why go all the way to Solomons, by
either road or water? Makes no sense. If I just wanted to burn gas, I'd go to
St. Michaels for lunch, go through Eastern Bay and the Narrows, and come back to
Deale under the Bay Bridge, with maybe a stop in Annapolis for a soft shell crab
sandwich. Then I'd just tell everyone I'd caught a bunch of fish!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H July 2nd 05 03:24 AM

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:06:22 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:11:24 GMT, Don White
wrote:

HarryKrause wrote:
John H wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:00:53 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:


wrote:

John H wrote:


We left Deale at 6:30, with the boat running perfectly after a
$1000 (rough
estimate) repair bill!

OldFart brought a bunch of lures and we dropped lines just south of
#83A in
about 32 feet of water. Two rods had umbrellas, one with white
sassy shads, the
other with green. Both of them were loaded with clear Storm Shads
with the
hooks. The other two rods were loaded with a spoon and a bucktail
in tandem.

During the first hour we caught a dink or two, and I showed OldFart
how to lose
one after a good takedown. He then proceeded to show me how to lose
an even
bigger one!

About 8:30, all hell broke loose. Three rods went down in about 30
seconds. He
pulled in a double, with a blue (about 20") and a nice striper
(25") one the
same line. I also had a double, two stripers, one about 22" and the
other about
17". The small one went back, but before we could get both of
OldFart's fish
into the cooler, another rod went down. This was another striper,
about 22" or
so. Wow! Three keepers and a blue almost simultaneously!

I marked the spot and we spent another couple hours doing figure
eights centered
thereon, but caught only a dink and another one that may have made
18" if we
smashed its head a little flatter. Finally, after about another
hour, we caught
our last striper, an 18"er, which got us our limit.

On the way in we saw a bunch of breakers in Herring Bay, and OF
managed to pull
in a 12" striper casting into the baitfish. I managed to snag a
cow-nosed ray in
one of its wings. Cost me a nice lure.

A great day with great company!
--
John H


Yeah, sure. I find it odd that you don't think Harry can find a fish
in
all of the bay, but you just slay them every time you go out!!!


Herring leaves his house at 5 am or earlier to clear Deale at 6:30 (I
know where Herring lives), trolls with another guy for hours in sight
of the entrance of Deale's harbor, and catches a handful of
non-keepers, and in siz hours catches four keepers, and injures a
beautiful ray.

That's not slaying them. And towing those heavy metal rigs around at
2 miles an hour on a hot as hell day isn't fishing, it's boredom.

But it doesn't matter.



But...the story is a true one, Harry!

I leave my house about 5:40, so you must not have me totally stalked!
Why should
I go for a long boat ride to catch fish, Harry? Would I be better
saying I ran
down to Solomon's Island and caught my four keepers? Sounds rather
stupid to me.




I don't have to stalk you to know how long it takes to get to Deale from
Franconia. Remember, we had an office a couple of blocks from where you
live. It's about 40 miles from your house to Deale, and you have to
contend with construction and the usual traffic on the Woodrow Wilson
Bridge and speed limits. And once you get to Deale, you still have to
get your stuff aboard and clear the Deale jettie. If you leave your
house at 5:40, you aren't clearing Deale at 6:30.

Oh...of those four keepers, how many did you catch?



That does seem like quite a distance to his marina. If I didn't mind
driving that distance on open highway with a 110 kph speed limit, I
could boat out of beautiful Mahone Bay.
http://www.mahonebay.com/visitor_index.html
note: both the large bay and the town are called Mahone Bay


It *is* more of a drive than I like, but Deale is the closest town to the
DC
beltway on the Chesapeake Bay. I allow myself 45 minutes, but usually get
there
in about 35. Of course, hitting the wrong light or two can change that by
five
to ten minutes.

If I were not into fishing at all, just pleasure boating, I'd just keep
the boat
on the Potomac, fifteen minutes away.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


It was a 45 minute drive to our last marina...and that was with no
construction or Cedar Point (amusement park) traffic.

The Sunday night drive home (after spending the weekend boating and spending
the nights on the boat) was usually worse as all the weekend boaters seemed
to leave at the same time.


Unless the wife wants to go 'play', I seldom go out on weekends. Too many
crazies, including the charter boat captains who have the right of way due to
size!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

*JimH* July 2nd 05 03:38 AM


"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:06:22 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:11:24 GMT, Don White
wrote:

HarryKrause wrote:
John H wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:00:53 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:


wrote:

John H wrote:


We left Deale at 6:30, with the boat running perfectly after a
$1000 (rough
estimate) repair bill!

OldFart brought a bunch of lures and we dropped lines just south
of
#83A in
about 32 feet of water. Two rods had umbrellas, one with white
sassy shads, the
other with green. Both of them were loaded with clear Storm Shads
with the
hooks. The other two rods were loaded with a spoon and a bucktail
in tandem.

During the first hour we caught a dink or two, and I showed
OldFart
how to lose
one after a good takedown. He then proceeded to show me how to
lose
an even
bigger one!

About 8:30, all hell broke loose. Three rods went down in about 30
seconds. He
pulled in a double, with a blue (about 20") and a nice striper
(25") one the
same line. I also had a double, two stripers, one about 22" and
the
other about
17". The small one went back, but before we could get both of
OldFart's fish
into the cooler, another rod went down. This was another striper,
about 22" or
so. Wow! Three keepers and a blue almost simultaneously!

I marked the spot and we spent another couple hours doing figure
eights centered
thereon, but caught only a dink and another one that may have made
18" if we
smashed its head a little flatter. Finally, after about another
hour, we caught
our last striper, an 18"er, which got us our limit.

On the way in we saw a bunch of breakers in Herring Bay, and OF
managed to pull
in a 12" striper casting into the baitfish. I managed to snag a
cow-nosed ray in
one of its wings. Cost me a nice lure.

A great day with great company!
--
John H


Yeah, sure. I find it odd that you don't think Harry can find a
fish
in
all of the bay, but you just slay them every time you go out!!!


Herring leaves his house at 5 am or earlier to clear Deale at 6:30
(I
know where Herring lives), trolls with another guy for hours in
sight
of the entrance of Deale's harbor, and catches a handful of
non-keepers, and in siz hours catches four keepers, and injures a
beautiful ray.

That's not slaying them. And towing those heavy metal rigs around at
2 miles an hour on a hot as hell day isn't fishing, it's boredom.

But it doesn't matter.



But...the story is a true one, Harry!

I leave my house about 5:40, so you must not have me totally stalked!
Why should
I go for a long boat ride to catch fish, Harry? Would I be better
saying I ran
down to Solomon's Island and caught my four keepers? Sounds rather
stupid to me.




I don't have to stalk you to know how long it takes to get to Deale
from
Franconia. Remember, we had an office a couple of blocks from where
you
live. It's about 40 miles from your house to Deale, and you have to
contend with construction and the usual traffic on the Woodrow Wilson
Bridge and speed limits. And once you get to Deale, you still have to
get your stuff aboard and clear the Deale jettie. If you leave your
house at 5:40, you aren't clearing Deale at 6:30.

Oh...of those four keepers, how many did you catch?



That does seem like quite a distance to his marina. If I didn't mind
driving that distance on open highway with a 110 kph speed limit, I
could boat out of beautiful Mahone Bay.
http://www.mahonebay.com/visitor_index.html
note: both the large bay and the town are called Mahone Bay

It *is* more of a drive than I like, but Deale is the closest town to
the
DC
beltway on the Chesapeake Bay. I allow myself 45 minutes, but usually
get
there
in about 35. Of course, hitting the wrong light or two can change that
by
five
to ten minutes.

If I were not into fishing at all, just pleasure boating, I'd just keep
the boat
on the Potomac, fifteen minutes away.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


It was a 45 minute drive to our last marina...and that was with no
construction or Cedar Point (amusement park) traffic.

The Sunday night drive home (after spending the weekend boating and
spending
the nights on the boat) was usually worse as all the weekend boaters
seemed
to leave at the same time.


Unless the wife wants to go 'play', I seldom go out on weekends. Too many
crazies, including the charter boat captains who have the right of way due
to
size!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."



Our boating was different than yours.

We spent the weekends on our boat and our kids grew up doing that with us.
We would spend the day swimming off the boat and/or cruise to other marinas,
but always find a spot to anchor, moor or dock for the night.

We would also spend one or two straight weeks on the boat, spending time at
various ports such as Leamington, Metro Beach, Turkey Point, Presque Isle
and Algonac.



*JimH* July 2nd 05 03:47 AM


"*JimH*" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:06:22 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:11:24 GMT, Don White
wrote:

HarryKrause wrote:
John H wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:00:53 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:


wrote:

John H wrote:


We left Deale at 6:30, with the boat running perfectly after a
$1000 (rough
estimate) repair bill!

OldFart brought a bunch of lures and we dropped lines just south
of
#83A in
about 32 feet of water. Two rods had umbrellas, one with white
sassy shads, the
other with green. Both of them were loaded with clear Storm Shads
with the
hooks. The other two rods were loaded with a spoon and a bucktail
in tandem.

During the first hour we caught a dink or two, and I showed
OldFart
how to lose
one after a good takedown. He then proceeded to show me how to
lose
an even
bigger one!

About 8:30, all hell broke loose. Three rods went down in about
30
seconds. He
pulled in a double, with a blue (about 20") and a nice striper
(25") one the
same line. I also had a double, two stripers, one about 22" and
the
other about
17". The small one went back, but before we could get both of
OldFart's fish
into the cooler, another rod went down. This was another striper,
about 22" or
so. Wow! Three keepers and a blue almost simultaneously!

I marked the spot and we spent another couple hours doing figure
eights centered
thereon, but caught only a dink and another one that may have
made
18" if we
smashed its head a little flatter. Finally, after about another
hour, we caught
our last striper, an 18"er, which got us our limit.

On the way in we saw a bunch of breakers in Herring Bay, and OF
managed to pull
in a 12" striper casting into the baitfish. I managed to snag a
cow-nosed ray in
one of its wings. Cost me a nice lure.

A great day with great company!
--
John H


Yeah, sure. I find it odd that you don't think Harry can find a
fish
in
all of the bay, but you just slay them every time you go out!!!


Herring leaves his house at 5 am or earlier to clear Deale at 6:30
(I
know where Herring lives), trolls with another guy for hours in
sight
of the entrance of Deale's harbor, and catches a handful of
non-keepers, and in siz hours catches four keepers, and injures a
beautiful ray.

That's not slaying them. And towing those heavy metal rigs around
at
2 miles an hour on a hot as hell day isn't fishing, it's boredom.

But it doesn't matter.



But...the story is a true one, Harry!

I leave my house about 5:40, so you must not have me totally
stalked!
Why should
I go for a long boat ride to catch fish, Harry? Would I be better
saying I ran
down to Solomon's Island and caught my four keepers? Sounds rather
stupid to me.




I don't have to stalk you to know how long it takes to get to Deale
from
Franconia. Remember, we had an office a couple of blocks from where
you
live. It's about 40 miles from your house to Deale, and you have to
contend with construction and the usual traffic on the Woodrow Wilson
Bridge and speed limits. And once you get to Deale, you still have to
get your stuff aboard and clear the Deale jettie. If you leave your
house at 5:40, you aren't clearing Deale at 6:30.

Oh...of those four keepers, how many did you catch?



That does seem like quite a distance to his marina. If I didn't mind
driving that distance on open highway with a 110 kph speed limit, I
could boat out of beautiful Mahone Bay.
http://www.mahonebay.com/visitor_index.html
note: both the large bay and the town are called Mahone Bay

It *is* more of a drive than I like, but Deale is the closest town to
the
DC
beltway on the Chesapeake Bay. I allow myself 45 minutes, but usually
get
there
in about 35. Of course, hitting the wrong light or two can change that
by
five
to ten minutes.

If I were not into fishing at all, just pleasure boating, I'd just keep
the boat
on the Potomac, fifteen minutes away.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

It was a 45 minute drive to our last marina...and that was with no
construction or Cedar Point (amusement park) traffic.

The Sunday night drive home (after spending the weekend boating and
spending
the nights on the boat) was usually worse as all the weekend boaters
seemed
to leave at the same time.


Unless the wife wants to go 'play', I seldom go out on weekends. Too many
crazies, including the charter boat captains who have the right of way
due to
size!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."



Our boating was different than yours.

We spent the weekends on our boat and our kids grew up doing that with us.
We would spend the day swimming off the boat and/or cruise to other
marinas, but always find a spot to anchor, moor or dock for the night.

We would also spend one or two straight weeks on the boat, spending time
at various ports such as Leamington, Metro Beach, Turkey Point, Presque
Isle and Algonac.


Add Cedar Point Marina (at least 3 days there for the kids), Kelley's Island
(including the north end - anchored, Seaway or the Unique Marker during the
week) and Put-In-Bay (mooring buoys or Crews Nest) to the list also.

Insert big smile



NOYB July 2nd 05 03:49 AM


"John H" wrote in message
...
We left Deale at 6:30, with the boat running perfectly after a $1000
(rough
estimate) repair bill!

OldFart brought a bunch of lures and we dropped lines just south of #83A
in
about 32 feet of water. Two rods had umbrellas, one with white sassy
shads, the
other with green. Both of them were loaded with clear Storm Shads with the
hooks. The other two rods were loaded with a spoon and a bucktail in
tandem.

During the first hour we caught a dink or two, and I showed OldFart how to
lose
one after a good takedown. He then proceeded to show me how to lose an
even
bigger one!

About 8:30, all hell broke loose. Three rods went down in about 30
seconds. He
pulled in a double, with a blue (about 20") and a nice striper (25") one
the
same line. I also had a double, two stripers, one about 22" and the other
about
17". The small one went back, but before we could get both of OldFart's
fish
into the cooler, another rod went down. This was another striper, about
22" or
so. Wow! Three keepers and a blue almost simultaneously!


Keepers? We use fish that size for bait down here. If you were snook
fishing, none of those fish would even make the slot limit. ;-)



Tim July 2nd 05 12:44 PM

Looks like you had a blast John....



John H wrote:
We left Deale at 6:30, with the boat running perfectly after a $1000 (rough
estimate) repair bill!

OldFart brought a bunch of lures and we dropped lines just south of #83A in
about 32 feet of water. Two rods had umbrellas, one with white sassy shads, the
other with green. Both of them were loaded with clear Storm Shads with the
hooks. The other two rods were loaded with a spoon and a bucktail in tandem.

During the first hour we caught a dink or two, and I showed OldFart how to lose
one after a good takedown. He then proceeded to show me how to lose an even
bigger one!

About 8:30, all hell broke loose. Three rods went down in about 30 seconds. He
pulled in a double, with a blue (about 20") and a nice striper (25") one the
same line. I also had a double, two stripers, one about 22" and the other about
17". The small one went back, but before we could get both of OldFart's fish
into the cooler, another rod went down. This was another striper, about 22" or
so. Wow! Three keepers and a blue almost simultaneously!

I marked the spot and we spent another couple hours doing figure eights centered
thereon, but caught only a dink and another one that may have made 18" if we
smashed its head a little flatter. Finally, after about another hour, we caught
our last striper, an 18"er, which got us our limit.

On the way in we saw a bunch of breakers in Herring Bay, and OF managed to pull
in a 12" striper casting into the baitfish. I managed to snag a cow-nosed ray in
one of its wings. Cost me a nice lure.

A great day with great company!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."



John H July 2nd 05 01:10 PM

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:21:56 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

John H wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:06:22 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:11:24 GMT, Don White
wrote:


HarryKrause wrote:

John H wrote:


On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:00:53 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:



wrote:


John H wrote:



We left Deale at 6:30, with the boat running perfectly after a
$1000 (rough
estimate) repair bill!

OldFart brought a bunch of lures and we dropped lines just south of
#83A in
about 32 feet of water. Two rods had umbrellas, one with white
sassy shads, the
other with green. Both of them were loaded with clear Storm Shads
with the
hooks. The other two rods were loaded with a spoon and a bucktail
in tandem.

During the first hour we caught a dink or two, and I showed OldFart
how to lose
one after a good takedown. He then proceeded to show me how to lose
an even
bigger one!

About 8:30, all hell broke loose. Three rods went down in about 30
seconds. He
pulled in a double, with a blue (about 20") and a nice striper
(25") one the
same line. I also had a double, two stripers, one about 22" and the
other about
17". The small one went back, but before we could get both of
OldFart's fish
into the cooler, another rod went down. This was another striper,
about 22" or
so. Wow! Three keepers and a blue almost simultaneously!

I marked the spot and we spent another couple hours doing figure
eights centered
thereon, but caught only a dink and another one that may have made
18" if we
smashed its head a little flatter. Finally, after about another
hour, we caught
our last striper, an 18"er, which got us our limit.

On the way in we saw a bunch of breakers in Herring Bay, and OF
managed to pull
in a 12" striper casting into the baitfish. I managed to snag a
cow-nosed ray in
one of its wings. Cost me a nice lure.

A great day with great company!
--
John H


Yeah, sure. I find it odd that you don't think Harry can find a fish
in
all of the bay, but you just slay them every time you go out!!!


Herring leaves his house at 5 am or earlier to clear Deale at 6:30 (I
know where Herring lives), trolls with another guy for hours in sight
of the entrance of Deale's harbor, and catches a handful of
non-keepers, and in siz hours catches four keepers, and injures a
beautiful ray.

That's not slaying them. And towing those heavy metal rigs around at
2 miles an hour on a hot as hell day isn't fishing, it's boredom.

But it doesn't matter.



But...the story is a true one, Harry!

I leave my house about 5:40, so you must not have me totally stalked!
Why should
I go for a long boat ride to catch fish, Harry? Would I be better
saying I ran
down to Solomon's Island and caught my four keepers? Sounds rather
stupid to me.




I don't have to stalk you to know how long it takes to get to Deale from
Franconia. Remember, we had an office a couple of blocks from where you
live. It's about 40 miles from your house to Deale, and you have to
contend with construction and the usual traffic on the Woodrow Wilson
Bridge and speed limits. And once you get to Deale, you still have to
get your stuff aboard and clear the Deale jettie. If you leave your
house at 5:40, you aren't clearing Deale at 6:30.

Oh...of those four keepers, how many did you catch?



That does seem like quite a distance to his marina. If I didn't mind
driving that distance on open highway with a 110 kph speed limit, I
could boat out of beautiful Mahone Bay.
http://www.mahonebay.com/visitor_index.html
note: both the large bay and the town are called Mahone Bay

It *is* more of a drive than I like, but Deale is the closest town to the
DC
beltway on the Chesapeake Bay. I allow myself 45 minutes, but usually get
there
in about 35. Of course, hitting the wrong light or two can change that by
five
to ten minutes.

If I were not into fishing at all, just pleasure boating, I'd just keep
the boat
on the Potomac, fifteen minutes away.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

It was a 45 minute drive to our last marina...and that was with no
construction or Cedar Point (amusement park) traffic.

The Sunday night drive home (after spending the weekend boating and spending
the nights on the boat) was usually worse as all the weekend boaters seemed
to leave at the same time.



Unless the wife wants to go 'play', I seldom go out on weekends. Too many
crazies, including the charter boat captains who have the right of way due to
size!



Baloney. The only place that's crowded on weekends on the western shore
is Annapolis.


Harold, Harold...read before writing. I said nothing about crowding.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H July 2nd 05 02:59 PM

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:00:13 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:21:56 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:


John H wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:06:22 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
om...


On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:11:24 GMT, Don White
wrote:



HarryKrause wrote:


John H wrote:



On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:00:53 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:




wrote:



John H wrote:




We left Deale at 6:30, with the boat running perfectly after a
$1000 (rough
estimate) repair bill!

OldFart brought a bunch of lures and we dropped lines just south of
#83A in
about 32 feet of water. Two rods had umbrellas, one with white
sassy shads, the
other with green. Both of them were loaded with clear Storm Shads
with the
hooks. The other two rods were loaded with a spoon and a bucktail
in tandem.

During the first hour we caught a dink or two, and I showed OldFart
how to lose
one after a good takedown. He then proceeded to show me how to lose
an even
bigger one!

About 8:30, all hell broke loose. Three rods went down in about 30
seconds. He
pulled in a double, with a blue (about 20") and a nice striper
(25") one the
same line. I also had a double, two stripers, one about 22" and the
other about
17". The small one went back, but before we could get both of
OldFart's fish
into the cooler, another rod went down. This was another striper,
about 22" or
so. Wow! Three keepers and a blue almost simultaneously!

I marked the spot and we spent another couple hours doing figure
eights centered
thereon, but caught only a dink and another one that may have made
18" if we
smashed its head a little flatter. Finally, after about another
hour, we caught
our last striper, an 18"er, which got us our limit.

On the way in we saw a bunch of breakers in Herring Bay, and OF
managed to pull
in a 12" striper casting into the baitfish. I managed to snag a
cow-nosed ray in
one of its wings. Cost me a nice lure.

A great day with great company!
--
John H


Yeah, sure. I find it odd that you don't think Harry can find a fish
in
all of the bay, but you just slay them every time you go out!!!


Herring leaves his house at 5 am or earlier to clear Deale at 6:30 (I
know where Herring lives), trolls with another guy for hours in sight
of the entrance of Deale's harbor, and catches a handful of
non-keepers, and in siz hours catches four keepers, and injures a
beautiful ray.

That's not slaying them. And towing those heavy metal rigs around at
2 miles an hour on a hot as hell day isn't fishing, it's boredom.

But it doesn't matter.



But...the story is a true one, Harry!

I leave my house about 5:40, so you must not have me totally stalked!
Why should
I go for a long boat ride to catch fish, Harry? Would I be better
saying I ran
down to Solomon's Island and caught my four keepers? Sounds rather
stupid to me.




I don't have to stalk you to know how long it takes to get to Deale from
Franconia. Remember, we had an office a couple of blocks from where you
live. It's about 40 miles from your house to Deale, and you have to
contend with construction and the usual traffic on the Woodrow Wilson
Bridge and speed limits. And once you get to Deale, you still have to
get your stuff aboard and clear the Deale jettie. If you leave your
house at 5:40, you aren't clearing Deale at 6:30.

Oh...of those four keepers, how many did you catch?



That does seem like quite a distance to his marina. If I didn't mind
driving that distance on open highway with a 110 kph speed limit, I
could boat out of beautiful Mahone Bay.
http://www.mahonebay.com/visitor_index.html
note: both the large bay and the town are called Mahone Bay

It *is* more of a drive than I like, but Deale is the closest town to the
DC
beltway on the Chesapeake Bay. I allow myself 45 minutes, but usually get
there
in about 35. Of course, hitting the wrong light or two can change that by
five
to ten minutes.

If I were not into fishing at all, just pleasure boating, I'd just keep
the boat
on the Potomac, fifteen minutes away.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

It was a 45 minute drive to our last marina...and that was with no
construction or Cedar Point (amusement park) traffic.

The Sunday night drive home (after spending the weekend boating and spending
the nights on the boat) was usually worse as all the weekend boaters seemed
to leave at the same time.



Unless the wife wants to go 'play', I seldom go out on weekends. Too many
crazies, including the charter boat captains who have the right of way due to
size!


Baloney. The only place that's crowded on weekends on the western shore
is Annapolis.



Harold, Harold...read before writing. I said nothing about crowding.



"Too many"

Why are you worried about charter boat captains? Go where they aren't,
which is mostly everywhere. They're not a problem, and sometimes they
toss a lot of chum in the water, which can help everyone's fishing.


If you go where they aren't, how does their chum help you?

You should have spent some time down at the gas docks when you could
have. A hundred boats at least on the weekend, room for everyone, and
everyone hauling them in.


Been to the Gas Docks several times, Harry, on weekdays. Never had to put up
with 'a hundred boats at least'. The limit is still the limit, however, so why
waste the time and gas?

There are many things I'd rather do than duke it out with a hundred boats all
fighting for room around the gas dock pilings.

http://chesapeakebayphotos.com/index...ing&FrameID=01

But, if that's your bag, go for it!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H July 2nd 05 03:13 PM

On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:07:36 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 09:00:13 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 06:21:56 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:


John H wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 22:06:22 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:



"John H" wrote in message
...


On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:11:24 GMT, Don White
wrote:



HarryKrause wrote:


John H wrote:



On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 09:00:53 -0400, HarryKrause
wrote:




wrote:



John H wrote:




We left Deale at 6:30, with the boat running perfectly after a
$1000 (rough
estimate) repair bill!

OldFart brought a bunch of lures and we dropped lines just south of
#83A in
about 32 feet of water. Two rods had umbrellas, one with white
sassy shads, the
other with green. Both of them were loaded with clear Storm Shads
with the
hooks. The other two rods were loaded with a spoon and a bucktail
in tandem.

During the first hour we caught a dink or two, and I showed OldFart
how to lose
one after a good takedown. He then proceeded to show me how to lose
an even
bigger one!

About 8:30, all hell broke loose. Three rods went down in about 30
seconds. He
pulled in a double, with a blue (about 20") and a nice striper
(25") one the
same line. I also had a double, two stripers, one about 22" and the
other about
17". The small one went back, but before we could get both of
OldFart's fish
into the cooler, another rod went down. This was another striper,
about 22" or
so. Wow! Three keepers and a blue almost simultaneously!

I marked the spot and we spent another couple hours doing figure
eights centered
thereon, but caught only a dink and another one that may have made
18" if we
smashed its head a little flatter. Finally, after about another
hour, we caught
our last striper, an 18"er, which got us our limit.

On the way in we saw a bunch of breakers in Herring Bay, and OF
managed to pull
in a 12" striper casting into the baitfish. I managed to snag a
cow-nosed ray in
one of its wings. Cost me a nice lure.

A great day with great company!
--
John H

Yeah, sure. I find it odd that you don't think Harry can find a fish
in
all of the bay, but you just slay them every time you go out!!!

Herring leaves his house at 5 am or earlier to clear Deale at 6:30 (I
know where Herring lives), trolls with another guy for hours in sight
of the entrance of Deale's harbor, and catches a handful of
non-keepers, and in siz hours catches four keepers, and injures a
beautiful ray.

That's not slaying them. And towing those heavy metal rigs around at
2 miles an hour on a hot as hell day isn't fishing, it's boredom.

But it doesn't matter.


But...the story is a true one, Harry!

I leave my house about 5:40, so you must not have me totally stalked!
Why should
I go for a long boat ride to catch fish, Harry? Would I be better
saying I ran
down to Solomon's Island and caught my four keepers? Sounds rather
stupid to me.



I don't have to stalk you to know how long it takes to get to Deale from
Franconia. Remember, we had an office a couple of blocks from where you
live. It's about 40 miles from your house to Deale, and you have to
contend with construction and the usual traffic on the Woodrow Wilson
Bridge and speed limits. And once you get to Deale, you still have to
get your stuff aboard and clear the Deale jettie. If you leave your
house at 5:40, you aren't clearing Deale at 6:30.

Oh...of those four keepers, how many did you catch?


That does seem like quite a distance to his marina. If I didn't mind
driving that distance on open highway with a 110 kph speed limit, I
could boat out of beautiful Mahone Bay.
http://www.mahonebay.com/visitor_index.html
note: both the large bay and the town are called Mahone Bay
It *is* more of a drive than I like, but Deale is the closest town to the
DC
beltway on the Chesapeake Bay. I allow myself 45 minutes, but usually get
there
in about 35. Of course, hitting the wrong light or two can change that by
five
to ten minutes.

If I were not into fishing at all, just pleasure boating, I'd just keep
the boat
on the Potomac, fifteen minutes away.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."
It was a 45 minute drive to our last marina...and that was with no
construction or Cedar Point (amusement park) traffic.

The Sunday night drive home (after spending the weekend boating and spending
the nights on the boat) was usually worse as all the weekend boaters seemed
to leave at the same time.


Unless the wife wants to go 'play', I seldom go out on weekends. Too many
crazies, including the charter boat captains who have the right of way due to
size!

Baloney. The only place that's crowded on weekends on the western shore
is Annapolis.

Harold, Harold...read before writing. I said nothing about crowding.

"Too many"

Why are you worried about charter boat captains? Go where they aren't,
which is mostly everywhere. They're not a problem, and sometimes they
toss a lot of chum in the water, which can help everyone's fishing.


If you go where they aren't, how does their chum help you?
You should have spent some time down at the gas docks when you could
have. A hundred boats at least on the weekend, room for everyone, and
everyone hauling them in.


Been to the Gas Docks several times, Harry, on weekdays. Never had to put up
with 'a hundred boats at least'. The limit is still the limit, however, so why
waste the time and gas?

There are many things I'd rather do than duke it out with a hundred boats all
fighting for room around the gas dock pilings.

http://chesapeakebayphotos.com/index...ing&FrameID=01

But, if that's your bag, go for it!



The gas docks have been closed to fishermen for three seasons, John.

Right! So I haven't been in over three seasons.You said I should have spent some
time there when I could have. I did. What's the big deal? Jigging the rips is
much more fun.

I forgot...you're interested in bag limits because you fish for the
table. I like to catch and release lots of fish. I rarely keep any.


I don't believe in injuring fish just to do so. Yes, I know, circle hooks don't
do as much damage as regular hooks, but they still do damage. Handling the fish
out of the water does damage.

I firmly believe you like to catch and release lots of fish. When, and if, you
ever do it, please let us know.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


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