I've already signed on to the Bush plan. Effective last month, I no longer
send my FICA money to the Feds. I have created a private investment
account. When audited, I intend to call Mr. Bush as my first witness for
the defense.



"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
Little for Bush to Savor in Latest Social Security Polling
Still "no" to private investment accounts


by Lydia Saad

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- The news for President George W. Bush on Social Security
is not good. His approval ratings on Social Security are the worst they
have been all year, and more Americans have faith in the Democrats than in
the Republicans to deal with the issue. A majority of Americans continue
to oppose private investment accounts -- Bush's core idea for addressing
the Social Security system. And while a majority of Americans acknowledge
Bush has proposed a Social Security plan, fewer describe it as a clear
plan.

Decidedly Weak Approval on Social Security

According to the June 24-26, 2005, CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, only 31% of
Americans approve of Bush's handling of Social Security; 64% disapprove.
That amounts to a -33 net approval rating on Social Security, which is
lower than where he stood even a month ago, and is substantially lower
than results from earlier in the year.

Bush's declining ratings on Social Security are possibly part of a larger
pattern that is not directly related to his specific performance on the
issue. His dwindling support on Social Security parallels a decline in his
overall job approval rating, and is similar to the trend seen for his
handling of the economy and Iraq.

No to Private Investment Accounts

Still, the important fact remains that a majority of Americans seem
resistant to Bush's idea of establishing private investment accounts
within the Social Security system -- at least as Gallup describes that
idea. Fifty-three percent of Americans say they oppose a proposal that
would "allow workers to invest part of their Social Security taxes in the
stock market or in bonds, while the rest of those taxes would remain in
the Social Security system." Just 44% favor this. These results are nearly
identical to those measured in late April.

Party affiliation presents the biggest distinctions in support for private
accounts. About two-thirds of Republicans (69%) favor the idea, while
three-quarters of Democrats (74%) and a majority of independents (59%)
oppose it.

But the differences are almost as stark according to the age of
respondents. Adults under age 50 generally favor the idea while those 50
and older oppose it.

Not Even an "A" for Effort

Bush gets moderate credit from Americans for having proposed a plan for
addressing the Social Security system. Two-thirds (67%) acknowledge he has
a plan, compared with less than half (47%) who say the same of the
Democrats in Congress. However, only a quarter of Americans believe Bush
has proposed a clear plan, leaving a great deal of room for improvement on
this front.

Republicans might hope that Bush's Social Security initiative leaves
Democrats vulnerable to being seen as obstructing the issue -- opposing
Bush's plan without having one of their own. However, Americans still
choose the Democrats over the Republicans as the party they trust more to
deal with Social Security retirement benefits.

Survey Methods

These results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly selected
national sample of 1,009 adults, aged 18 and older, conducted June 24-26,
2005. For results based on this sample, one can say with 95% confidence
that the maximum error attributable to sampling and other random effects
is ±3 percentage points. In addition to sampling error, question wording
and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or
bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
--
If it is Bad for Bush,
It is Good for the United States.

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...

Fifty-three percent of Americans say they oppose a proposal that would
"allow workers to invest part of their Social Security taxes in the stock
market or in bonds, while the rest of those taxes would remain in the
Social Security system." Just 44% favor this. These results are nearly
identical to those measured in late April.


I wonder how these numbers compare to the percentages of people with at
least some money in the stock market or mutual funds?



Party affiliation presents the biggest distinctions in support for private
accounts. About two-thirds of Republicans (69%) favor the idea, while
three-quarters of Democrats (74%) and a majority of independents (59%)
oppose it.


No big surprise there. Dems want the government to take care of them...and
Republicans want to be responsible for themselves.

Every issue in politics seems to come down to who can create the most
effective scare tactic ads on any given subject.

New ideas are inherently easy to target...because people fear the unknown.




But the differences are almost as stark according to the age of
respondents. Adults under age 50 generally favor the idea while those 50
and older oppose it.

No surprise again. The over-50's will get their money either way. Us
under-50's will get screwed...and we know it.



Not Even an "A" for Effort

Bush gets moderate credit from Americans for having proposed a plan for
addressing the Social Security system. Two-thirds (67%) acknowledge he has
a plan, compared with less than half (47%) who say the same of the
Democrats in Congress.

So that means the majority trusts the status-quo...which is scary since even
the Dems have said that social security is in trouble. Just goes to show
how uninformed some people are. They think the problems will go away if
they just stick their heads n the sand and pretend that they don't exist.

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
I've already signed on to the Bush plan. Effective last month, I no
longer
send my FICA money to the Feds. I have created a private investment
account. When audited, I intend to call Mr. Bush as my first witness for
the defense.

No need to worry,

Democrats' own mood poll scares them
http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20050...5428-8801r.htm

With the party made up of buffons like harry and kevin, and led by
dean.....it is no surprise





"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
Little for Bush to Savor in Latest Social Security Polling
Still "no" to private investment accounts


by Lydia Saad

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- The news for President George W. Bush on Social
Security
is not good. His approval ratings on Social Security are the worst they
have been all year, and more Americans have faith in the Democrats than
in
the Republicans to deal with the issue. A majority of Americans continue
to oppose private investment accounts -- Bush's core idea for addressing
the Social Security system. And while a majority of Americans
acknowledge
Bush has proposed a Social Security plan, fewer describe it as a clear
plan.

Decidedly Weak Approval on Social Security

According to the June 24-26, 2005, CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, only 31%
of
Americans approve of Bush's handling of Social Security; 64% disapprove.
That amounts to a -33 net approval rating on Social Security, which is
lower than where he stood even a month ago, and is substantially lower
than results from earlier in the year.

Bush's declining ratings on Social Security are possibly part of a
larger
pattern that is not directly related to his specific performance on the
issue. His dwindling support on Social Security parallels a decline in
his
overall job approval rating, and is similar to the trend seen for his
handling of the economy and Iraq.

No to Private Investment Accounts

Still, the important fact remains that a majority of Americans seem
resistant to Bush's idea of establishing private investment accounts
within the Social Security system -- at least as Gallup describes that
idea. Fifty-three percent of Americans say they oppose a proposal that
would "allow workers to invest part of their Social Security taxes in
the
stock market or in bonds, while the rest of those taxes would remain in
the Social Security system." Just 44% favor this. These results are
nearly
identical to those measured in late April.

Party affiliation presents the biggest distinctions in support for
private
accounts. About two-thirds of Republicans (69%) favor the idea, while
three-quarters of Democrats (74%) and a majority of independents (59%)
oppose it.

But the differences are almost as stark according to the age of
respondents. Adults under age 50 generally favor the idea while those 50
and older oppose it.

Not Even an "A" for Effort

Bush gets moderate credit from Americans for having proposed a plan for
addressing the Social Security system. Two-thirds (67%) acknowledge he
has
a plan, compared with less than half (47%) who say the same of the
Democrats in Congress. However, only a quarter of Americans believe Bush
has proposed a clear plan, leaving a great deal of room for improvement
on
this front.

Republicans might hope that Bush's Social Security initiative leaves
Democrats vulnerable to being seen as obstructing the issue -- opposing
Bush's plan without having one of their own. However, Americans still
choose the Democrats over the Republicans as the party they trust more
to
deal with Social Security retirement benefits.

Survey Methods

These results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly selected
national sample of 1,009 adults, aged 18 and older, conducted June
24-26,
2005. For results based on this sample, one can say with 95% confidence
that the maximum error attributable to sampling and other random effects
is ±3 percentage points. In addition to sampling error, question wording
and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or
bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
--
If it is Bad for Bush,
It is Good for the United States.

I would have to agree with this poll. Both the Republicans and the
Dumacrats suck. The Republicans just suck less.


"P. Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
I've already signed on to the Bush plan. Effective last month, I no
longer
send my FICA money to the Feds. I have created a private investment
account. When audited, I intend to call Mr. Bush as my first witness for
the defense.

No need to worry,

Democrats' own mood poll scares them
http://washingtontimes.com/upi/20050...5428-8801r.htm

With the party made up of buffons like harry and kevin, and led by
dean.....it is no surprise





"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
Little for Bush to Savor in Latest Social Security Polling
Still "no" to private investment accounts


by Lydia Saad

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- The news for President George W. Bush on Social
Security
is not good. His approval ratings on Social Security are the worst they
have been all year, and more Americans have faith in the Democrats than
in
the Republicans to deal with the issue. A majority of Americans
continue
to oppose private investment accounts -- Bush's core idea for
addressing
the Social Security system. And while a majority of Americans
acknowledge
Bush has proposed a Social Security plan, fewer describe it as a clear
plan.

Decidedly Weak Approval on Social Security

According to the June 24-26, 2005, CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, only 31%
of
Americans approve of Bush's handling of Social Security; 64%
disapprove.
That amounts to a -33 net approval rating on Social Security, which is
lower than where he stood even a month ago, and is substantially lower
than results from earlier in the year.

Bush's declining ratings on Social Security are possibly part of a
larger
pattern that is not directly related to his specific performance on the
issue. His dwindling support on Social Security parallels a decline in
his
overall job approval rating, and is similar to the trend seen for his
handling of the economy and Iraq.

No to Private Investment Accounts

Still, the important fact remains that a majority of Americans seem
resistant to Bush's idea of establishing private investment accounts
within the Social Security system -- at least as Gallup describes that
idea. Fifty-three percent of Americans say they oppose a proposal that
would "allow workers to invest part of their Social Security taxes in
the
stock market or in bonds, while the rest of those taxes would remain in
the Social Security system." Just 44% favor this. These results are
nearly
identical to those measured in late April.

Party affiliation presents the biggest distinctions in support for
private
accounts. About two-thirds of Republicans (69%) favor the idea, while
three-quarters of Democrats (74%) and a majority of independents (59%)
oppose it.

But the differences are almost as stark according to the age of
respondents. Adults under age 50 generally favor the idea while those
50
and older oppose it.

Not Even an "A" for Effort

Bush gets moderate credit from Americans for having proposed a plan for
addressing the Social Security system. Two-thirds (67%) acknowledge he
has
a plan, compared with less than half (47%) who say the same of the
Democrats in Congress. However, only a quarter of Americans believe
Bush
has proposed a clear plan, leaving a great deal of room for improvement
on
this front.

Republicans might hope that Bush's Social Security initiative leaves
Democrats vulnerable to being seen as obstructing the issue -- opposing
Bush's plan without having one of their own. However, Americans still
choose the Democrats over the Republicans as the party they trust more
to
deal with Social Security retirement benefits.

Survey Methods

These results are based on telephone interviews with a randomly
selected
national sample of 1,009 adults, aged 18 and older, conducted June
24-26,
2005. For results based on this sample, one can say with 95% confidence
that the maximum error attributable to sampling and other random
effects
is ±3 percentage points. In addition to sampling error, question
wording
and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or
bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
--
If it is Bad for Bush,
It is Good for the United States.

NOYB wrote:
I've already signed on to the Bush plan. Effective last month, I no longer
send my FICA money to the Feds. I have created a private investment
account. When audited, I intend to call Mr. Bush as my first witness for
the defense.

That's a great idea, one of the few things I agree with you on. The
problem is that President Bush has a history of refusing to testify.

In fact, it's such a good idea that I've been doing it for years, except
to avoid trouble with the IRS, I've been diverting my own money into a
private investment account. The result is that we should have a
retirement income of about 6X what Social Security is going to pay us.

Work hard, get ahead, save up against a rainy day... it used to be
American family values.

DSK

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...


Fifty-three percent of Americans say they oppose a proposal that would
"allow workers to invest part of their Social Security taxes in the stock
market or in bonds, while the rest of those taxes would remain in the
Social Security system." Just 44% favor this. These results are nearly
identical to those measured in late April.



I wonder how these numbers compare to the percentages of people with at
least some money in the stock market or mutual funds?


I'm in favor of private accounts, and they'd be here already if Bush had
presented them properly. All that was needed was an expansion and
relaxation of IRA and 401k plans and contributions, funded by enabling a
dollar for dollar deduction off of income taxes due.

I agree. But we should get to keep some of the FICA that we currently pay
out if we're never going to get Social Security anyhow. That's all Bush is
proposing.

"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...


Fifty-three percent of Americans say they oppose a proposal that would
"allow workers to invest part of their Social Security taxes in the
stock market or in bonds, while the rest of those taxes would remain in
the Social Security system." Just 44% favor this. These results are
nearly identical to those measured in late April.



I wonder how these numbers compare to the percentages of people with at
least some money in the stock market or mutual funds?


I'm in favor of private accounts, and they'd be here already if Bush had
presented them properly. All that was needed was an expansion and
relaxation of IRA and 401k plans and contributions, funded by enabling a
dollar for dollar deduction off of income taxes due.

I agree. But we should get to keep some of the FICA that we currently pay
out if we're never going to get Social Security anyhow. That's all Bush
is proposing.

That will never happen. That plan would 1) take money out of the general
revenue 2) Only benifit the rich

The plan Bush proposed for the general public is what Congressional
employees are getting now. A poll should ask if they would like the same
plan government workers get. Most would vote for that plan. As soon as the
Bush plan is mentioned they say no because the Democrats are very good at
misleading their own.

"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
I've already signed on to the Bush plan. Effective last month, I no
longer send my FICA money to the Feds. I have created a private
investment account. When audited, I intend to call Mr. Bush as my first
witness for the defense.

That's a great idea, one of the few things I agree with you on. The
problem is that President Bush has a history of refusing to testify.

In fact, it's such a good idea that I've been doing it for years, except
to avoid trouble with the IRS, I've been diverting my own money into a
private investment account. The result is that we should have a retirement
income of about 6X what Social Security is going to pay us.


Me too. But if I had an additional 12.4% of money that the Feds steal every
year for social security, I'd have 10X what SS will pay me.



Work hard, get ahead, save up against a rainy day... it used to be
American family values.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
I've already signed on to the Bush plan. Effective last month, I no
longer send my FICA money to the Feds. I have created a private
investment account. When audited, I intend to call Mr. Bush as my first
witness for the defense.

That's a great idea, one of the few things I agree with you on. The
problem is that President Bush has a history of refusing to testify.


Most Presidents have a history of refusing to testify. The last one to
actually testify in court, lied.

Jeff Rigby wrote:
The plan Bush proposed for the general public is what Congressional
employees are getting now.

Except that it's not under Social Security.


... As soon as the
Bush plan is mentioned they say no because the Democrats are very good at
misleading their own.

Isn't it odd, Democrats are a minority but a majority are against Bush's
plan... so at least some Republicans must also be against it...

Oh yes, it's definitely the Democrats that are misleading everybody on
this issue... it was the Democrats who misrepresented whether Bush's
plan would increase the deficit, as Alan Greenspan told Congress...

no, that was President Bush, wasn't it... he said on TV that Greenspan
testified it would *not* increase the deficit...

It was the Democrats who mirepresented to everybody that Bush's plan
will make the Social Security Trust run dry sooner... no wait, that's
true, Bush plan *will* dring forward the date SST goes bust...

Well it doesn't matter... everybody knows that Democrats are horrible
America-hating terrorist-coddling fiscally irresponsible bad people.
Just keep shouting that loudly from every window!

DSK