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On Tue, 18 May 2004 05:16:12 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


So the Charles Manson prosecutor has an opinion. Just not the same as the
majority of the Supreme court. As the court stated, you can not change
the rules in the middle of the election. You would have been happy if the
rules had been changed to give Gore the election? Saying any double votes
counted for the Democrat candidate, and any non-vote also counted for the
Democrat?

First, that's not what the Courts stated. Second, while since Iraq, I am
definitely anti-Bush, at the time of the election, I had no strong
feelings for either candidate. In fact, I was more intent on the process
than the outcome. I was quite proud of my country, as it's citizens
struggled to count every vote. Some made jokes about the dimpled or
pregnant chads, but I saw citizens struggling to count every vote knowing
the Presidency of this country depended on in. They were wrong. There
were only nine votes that mattered.

Oh, and Bugliosi isn't the only lawyer of the opinion the Supreme Court
short-circuited the process.

http://www.the-rule-of-law.com/archi...statement.html

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net...
Actually the last elected POTUS is still President of the USA. Just because
the AGore people tried to change the rules after the election, and did not
succeed, does not make Bush appointed.

Are you people really stupid enough to believe that, if Bush didn't
have his little brother as governor of Florida, and that if Kathleen
Harris didn't interfere with the process, that Bush would have still
won?

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Calif Bill wrote:
So the Charles Manson prosecutor has an opinion. Just not the same as the
majority of the Supreme court. As the court stated, you can not change the
rules in the middle of the election.

???

Please show where they said that. There was nothing at all about
changing the rules. The law applied was the "equal protection" clause of
the 14th amendment. Quite frankly I don't see how it makes any sense at all.


... You would have been happy if the rules
had been changed to give Gore the election? Saying any double votes counted
for the Democrat candidate, and any non-vote also counted for the Democrat?

???

Where do you get this? There was no rule changing. There was only an
effort to count all the votes. This effort was thrown out by the Supreme
Court. Is counting the votes "changing the rules?"

DSK

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
Actually the last elected POTUS is still President of the USA. Just
because
the AGore people tried to change the rules after the election, and did
not
succeed, does not make Bush appointed.

Are you people really stupid enough to believe that, if Bush didn't
have his little brother as governor of Florida, and that if Kathleen
Harris didn't interfere with the process, that Bush would have still
won?

Yup. The recounts by the newspapers gave Bush an even bigger margin.

The last elected POTUS is back!
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
So the Charles Manson prosecutor has an opinion. Just not the same as
the
majority of the Supreme court. As the court stated, you can not change
the
rules in the middle of the election.

???

Please show where they said that. There was nothing at all about
changing the rules. The law applied was the "equal protection" clause of
the 14th amendment. Quite frankly I don't see how it makes any sense at
all.


... You would have been happy if the rules
had been changed to give Gore the election? Saying any double votes
counted
for the Democrat candidate, and any non-vote also counted for the
Democrat?

???

Where do you get this? There was no rule changing. There was only an
effort to count all the votes. This effort was thrown out by the Supreme
Court. Is counting the votes "changing the rules?"

DSK


Look up the rules in recounts of votes in Florida. Gores people wanted to
change the rules, to allow a selective recount.

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Calif Bill wrote:
Look up the rules in recounts of votes in Florida. Gores people wanted to
change the rules, to allow a selective recount.

Sorry, this still doesn't make sense. AFAIK neither side wanted a
"selective recount" only to either complete the recount, or failing
that, allow the votes recounted before the deadline to stand (is what
the law prescribed).

The Florida Supremem Court moved first to stop the recount; then ruled
that the recount could go ahead but had to be complete by the deadline
or all recounted votes would not stand; the Supreme Court stopped the
recount again. Can you point to any references about which rules the
Dems wanted to change?

In any event, how do you feel about the Republicans throwing away
Democrat absentee ballots wholesale? Happened in a few counties. How
about dropping registered voters from the rolls because they were 1-
Democrats and 2- had the same last name as a felon? That happened in a
bunch of places around the state, with the complicity of Gov. Bush and
Kathleen Harris. I guess since your side "won" you think it's OK?

The 2000 election, *especially* in Florida, was a tremendous defeat for
democracy in America.

DSK

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The felon names, were supposed to be checked by the local election board.
Some did, some did not. The biggest screw up was in the Democrat controlled
areas with demo controlled election boards. The Dem's wanted to throw out
absentee ballots from the military as they did not have date stamps on the
envelopes. APO's may not date stamp. And I happen to be a registered
Democrat, and have been appalled by the choices of candidates we have had
for the last few elections. John Kerry? An ultra limousine liberal, that
has not shown any leadership in 17 years in the Senate. Bill Clinton, known
as a coke head and crook in Arkansas. Friends in Arkansas were happy to get
rid of him in the state house. Unfortunately we had to deal with her and
him on a national stage. At least Bush follows in the footsteps of one of
the great presidents. Abe Lincoln. Failed in several businesses, mental
breakdown, etc.
Bill

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
Look up the rules in recounts of votes in Florida. Gores people wanted
to
change the rules, to allow a selective recount.

Sorry, this still doesn't make sense. AFAIK neither side wanted a
"selective recount" only to either complete the recount, or failing
that, allow the votes recounted before the deadline to stand (is what
the law prescribed).

The Florida Supremem Court moved first to stop the recount; then ruled
that the recount could go ahead but had to be complete by the deadline
or all recounted votes would not stand; the Supreme Court stopped the
recount again. Can you point to any references about which rules the
Dems wanted to change?

In any event, how do you feel about the Republicans throwing away
Democrat absentee ballots wholesale? Happened in a few counties. How
about dropping registered voters from the rolls because they were 1-
Democrats and 2- had the same last name as a felon? That happened in a
bunch of places around the state, with the complicity of Gov. Bush and
Kathleen Harris. I guess since your side "won" you think it's OK?

The 2000 election, *especially* in Florida, was a tremendous defeat for
democracy in America.

DSK

The last elected POTUS is back!
 

Calif Bill wrote:
The felon names, were supposed to be checked by the local election board.
Some did, some did not.

My understanding was that this bit of chicanery was finessed from the
top, including Jeb Bush and Kathleen Harris. Local election boards are
supposed to be either non partisan or balanced among all parties (the
surest way to ensure screw-ups). The funny thing to me is that our
"liberal biased media" did not show any interest in the story at all, it
came from the BBC.


... The biggest screw up was in the Democrat controlled
areas with demo controlled election boards. The Dem's wanted to throw out
absentee ballots from the military as they did not have date stamps on the
envelopes. APO's may not date stamp.

I heard about this, but not that it was a Democrat problem. Anyway there
were several counties where Republican volunteers were given access to
the absentee ballot files, they did not throw away actual ballots but
instead threw away all requests for absentee ballots from registered
Democrats. This obviously included a lot of military personnel. The
funny thing here is that one of the supervisors claimed it was "fair"
because the Democrats could have done the same thing...

... And I happen to be a registered
Democrat, and have been appalled by the choices of candidates we have had
for the last few elections. John Kerry? An ultra limousine liberal, that
has not shown any leadership in 17 years in the Senate. Bill Clinton, known
as a coke head and crook in Arkansas. Friends in Arkansas were happy to get
rid of him in the state house.

Umm, right. You often make sense talking boats, but in talking politics
you sound like a ditto head. Why is "liberal" a dirty word to a
registered Democrat? Kerry has an OK record in the Senate if you
actually look at facts, as opposed to getting your info from Bush's
smear campaign which you seem to.



... At least Bush follows in the footsteps of one of
the great presidents. Abe Lincoln. Failed in several businesses, mental
breakdown, etc.

Lincoln never had a mental breakdown, but his wife did.

And George Bush Jr did not "fail in several businesses" he either used
his political connections or quasi-legal skullduggery to screw his
investors and turn a buck for himself.

I suppose you would recommned that your own retirement fund invest
heavily in Harken Energy, or maybe Enron, and be pleased with the result.

DSK

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
Actually the last elected POTUS is still President of the USA. Just
because
the AGore people tried to change the rules after the election, and did
not
succeed, does not make Bush appointed.

Are you people really stupid enough to believe that, if Bush didn't
have his little brother as governor of Florida, and that if Kathleen
Harris didn't interfere with the process, that Bush would have still
won?

Yup. The recounts by the newspapers gave Bush an even bigger margin.



Don't you love the revisionist history from the wacko's K. Harris didn't
try to interfer, she was trying to do her job.....certifying the election in
the time period prescribed by Fla. law. the Fla. Supreme court was the ones
doing the interferring. Bush won every recount except when blank ballots
counted in Gore's favor

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Why should I be a left wing liberal just because I am a Democrat. Was Harry
S. Truman a lefty? Frigg'n Johnson and his escalation of Viet Nam caused a
draft notice to be mailed to me. And his wife was a major stockholder in
Sea Land. He was nearly bankrupt when he took over as President. When he
left office, he was worth $4 million when a million was worth a lot. In
California, as the political pundits say. We get a lot more liberal,
spendthrift legislature than we vote for. Most of Calif is Moderates, but
with gerrymandering,we have safe districts for the pols, a majority of very
liberal districts. Barbara Boxer had part of her district 1 mile wide and
30 miles long, to get the right demographics. Why we are a bankrupt state.
A state that raised spending 39% in 4 years, when inflation and population
growth justified 9% growth. I have to accept this because I am Democrat?
Talk about a lemming, look in your mirror!
Bill

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
The felon names, were supposed to be checked by the local election
board.
Some did, some did not.

My understanding was that this bit of chicanery was finessed from the
top, including Jeb Bush and Kathleen Harris. Local election boards are
supposed to be either non partisan or balanced among all parties (the
surest way to ensure screw-ups). The funny thing to me is that our
"liberal biased media" did not show any interest in the story at all, it
came from the BBC.


... The biggest screw up was in the Democrat controlled
areas with demo controlled election boards. The Dem's wanted to throw
out
absentee ballots from the military as they did not have date stamps on
the
envelopes. APO's may not date stamp.

I heard about this, but not that it was a Democrat problem. Anyway there
were several counties where Republican volunteers were given access to
the absentee ballot files, they did not throw away actual ballots but
instead threw away all requests for absentee ballots from registered
Democrats. This obviously included a lot of military personnel. The
funny thing here is that one of the supervisors claimed it was "fair"
because the Democrats could have done the same thing...

... And I happen to be a registered
Democrat, and have been appalled by the choices of candidates we have
had
for the last few elections. John Kerry? An ultra limousine liberal,
that
has not shown any leadership in 17 years in the Senate. Bill Clinton,
known
as a coke head and crook in Arkansas. Friends in Arkansas were happy to
get
rid of him in the state house.

Umm, right. You often make sense talking boats, but in talking politics
you sound like a ditto head. Why is "liberal" a dirty word to a
registered Democrat? Kerry has an OK record in the Senate if you
actually look at facts, as opposed to getting your info from Bush's
smear campaign which you seem to.



... At least Bush follows in the footsteps of one of
the great presidents. Abe Lincoln. Failed in several businesses,
mental
breakdown, etc.

Lincoln never had a mental breakdown, but his wife did.

And George Bush Jr did not "fail in several businesses" he either used
his political connections or quasi-legal skullduggery to screw his
investors and turn a buck for himself.

I suppose you would recommned that your own retirement fund invest
heavily in Harken Energy, or maybe Enron, and be pleased with the result.

DSK