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On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, "
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Thanks for the info on reliability.

The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer
in my area.

Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to
establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying
from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite
you if you need warranty service.

I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis
Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in
Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours
away.

This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than
the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in
San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices
pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's
markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems.

Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Jolon, now that was bad.


But the bar had good Mexican Pizza.
Never saw a bar in Jolon when I was around there, in the 71-73 time frame.
Guys were volunteering for Nam to get out of Jolon. :-)




Use to pig hunt at Hunter-Ligget during the 80's. Was a pizza parlor / bar
then just outside the gates. Last time I was there, was closed. My buddies
in the Army reserve use to do summer camp there in the 70's. They enjoyed
it, as they were engineers, and had a water treatment plant. They used the
dozer to make a swimming hole and a trench to hold the daily 500#'s of ice
and the beer.

On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:16:29 GMT, "Bill McKee"
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On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, "
wrote:

Thanks for the info on reliability.

The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one dealer
in my area.

Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to
establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc. Buying
from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite
you if you need warranty service.

I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis
Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in
Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2 hours
away.

This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than
the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in
San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher prices
pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's
markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems.

Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Jolon, now that was bad.


But the bar had good Mexican Pizza.
Never saw a bar in Jolon when I was around there, in the 71-73 time frame.
Guys were volunteering for Nam to get out of Jolon. :-)




Use to pig hunt at Hunter-Ligget during the 80's. Was a pizza parlor / bar
then just outside the gates. Last time I was there, was closed. My buddies
in the Army reserve use to do summer camp there in the 70's. They enjoyed
it, as they were engineers, and had a water treatment plant. They used the
dozer to make a swimming hole and a trench to hold the daily 500#'s of ice
and the beer.


Was it Reserve engineers or National Guard? I spent many a summer working with a
National Guard engineer battalion there, but never with any Reserves. There was
a little nudist beach (Pirate's Cove?) close to San Luis Obispo that we'd run to
for some sunshine.

The Guard unit had some Combat Engineer Vehicles that we'd take out to the range
and play with. They're built on an M-60 tank chassis, with a boom, winch, dozer
blade, and a 165mm main gun. Made a lot of noise, but not very accurate.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On 20 Jun 2005 19:54:08 -0700, "
wrote:

When did you spend time in Paso Robles?

Paso has grown very quickly in the past ten years. The wine industry
has mostly taken over from ranching and dry farming. There has been
national press describing the Paso Robles area as the next Napa. (not
that that is a good thing) Paso is about to surpass SLO town as the
biggest city in the county.

I live in Mudhole, aka, Atascadero.

John H wrote:


Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

I worked with engineer units as an advisor in the '76 to '78 time frame. Used to
spend a good part of the summer at Camp Roberts (or Hunter-Ligget). Actually, I
think Camp Roberts was across the road, but not sure of the relationship any
more. I would go with them on their summer camp and help with training planning
and conduct.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

You likely would not recognize much of the area with the development
that has taken place. Paso Robles still gets over 100 degrees in the
summer and into the low 30s in the winter. Some things haven't
changed...
The downtown are has been revitalized with a lot of tourist based
business, IE, upscale resturants and boutiques, etc. The earthquake in
2003 took out several of the old buildings, but rebuilding is
progressing nicely. They still haven't figured out how to plug the
smelly spring that started up in the parking lot of the city hall. They
have diverted the water down to the Salinas river, so the sulphur stink
has been removed from the downtown area, unless the wind is from the
east. If you drive through on 101 you would think that Paso Robles has
a bad sewer plant.

There are something like 70 wineries in the area now.

http://www.pasowine.com

has a bunch of info if you are interested.

Thanks again for the info on the DF140.



John H wrote:
On 20 Jun 2005 19:54:08 -0700, "
wrote:

When did you spend time in Paso Robles?

Paso has grown very quickly in the past ten years. The wine industry
has mostly taken over from ranching and dry farming. There has been
national press describing the Paso Robles area as the next Napa. (not
that that is a good thing) Paso is about to surpass SLO town as the
biggest city in the county.

I live in Mudhole, aka, Atascadero.

John H wrote:


Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

I worked with engineer units as an advisor in the '76 to '78 time frame. Used to
spend a good part of the summer at Camp Roberts (or Hunter-Ligget). Actually, I
think Camp Roberts was across the road, but not sure of the relationship any
more. I would go with them on their summer camp and help with training planning
and conduct.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

I have read about the Suzuki/Johnson 140.

Johnson was bought by Bombardier a few years ago. They issued this
following announcement on April 27, 2005.

http://www.johnson.com/docs/320001/0_794_US.htm

The key phrase in that document is "BRP will no longer offer the
Johnson 40-225 hp four-stroke engines in the North American market". I
expect that will have an impact on service and support, even if the
motors are Suzukis.
It would be interesting to know if Bombardier was planning to take some
of their 4-stroke Rotax 912 technology and apply it to the outboard
motor market. Those motors are very popular in the aviation market and
have established an excellent reputation for reliability. If they
wanted to, they could design a very light and powerful motor with ease.

The other problem is that the nearest dealer is 130 miles away.

You are correct regarding the output emissions regulations in
California. There are two stroke engine that meet the EPA 2006 regs.
California will be moving to the EPA 2008 regs in the near future. It
remains to be seen if the existing motors will be "grandfathered". It
didn't happen before and I doubt it will this time.

I am very skeptical about the long term success of running a 2-stroke
on an extremely lean mixture. The manufacturers have done extensive
field testing on the backs of the early buyers of these designs. They
may have figured out the real world problems and resolved them. I don't
want to find out at my expense that they haven't quite resolved them
all.

One issue I have is the lack of dealers that are within a reasonable
distance of where I live. Another issue is that the outboard business
has had a lot of turnover in recent years with OMC going under, etc.
Suzuki and Honda are worldwide companies that sell a lot of things
other than outboards. Suzuki cars aren't as nice as Hondas, but they
are as reliable, by most accounts. Suzuki isn't likely to go away
anytime soon, as far as I can tell.

Was stationed at Camp Roberts 63. I was in the 59th Engineer Company
(Combat/Seperate) attached to the 194th Armored Bde which had a tank Bn at
Roberts. This was a Regular Army outfit

Spent seven months there and TDY to Hunter Ligget to run experiments. Our
unit was tested for endurance wearing a gas mask for several days and nights
at a time. Yes, we slept in them. We did get to remove them for meals
only. We all were required to wear sanitary pads with little bulb
thermometers up our U NO whats. Guys with white coats and clip boards would
take our temps from time to time by plugging into a lead attached to our
shirt collars.

We were required to do things like build timber trestle bridges under these
conditions. Several men per day would pass out after the first couple of
days. At least there was plenty of medical attention available.

I spent seven months in that unit. Out of over 35 years of active duty that
was the only assignment I absolutely hated.

Butch
"John H" wrote in message
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On 20 Jun 2005 19:54:08 -0700, "
wrote:

When did you spend time in Paso Robles?

Paso has grown very quickly in the past ten years. The wine industry
has mostly taken over from ranching and dry farming. There has been
national press describing the Paso Robles area as the next Napa. (not
that that is a good thing) Paso is about to surpass SLO town as the
biggest city in the county.

I live in Mudhole, aka, Atascadero.

John H wrote:


Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

I worked with engineer units as an advisor in the '76 to '78 time frame.
Used to
spend a good part of the summer at Camp Roberts (or Hunter-Ligget).
Actually, I
think Camp Roberts was across the road, but not sure of the relationship
any
more. I would go with them on their summer camp and help with training
planning
and conduct.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, "
wrote:

Thanks for the info on reliability.

The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one
dealer
in my area.

Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to
establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc.
Buying
from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite
you if you need warranty service.

I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis
Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in
Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2
hours
away.

This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than
the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in
San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher
prices
pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's
markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems.

Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Jolon, now that was bad.


But the bar had good Mexican Pizza.
Never saw a bar in Jolon when I was around there, in the 71-73 time
frame.
Guys were volunteering for Nam to get out of Jolon. :-)




Use to pig hunt at Hunter-Ligget during the 80's. Was a pizza parlor /
bar
then just outside the gates. Last time I was there, was closed. My
buddies
in the Army reserve use to do summer camp there in the 70's. They enjoyed
it, as they were engineers, and had a water treatment plant. They used
the
dozer to make a swimming hole and a trench to hold the daily 500#'s of ice
and the beer.


Was it Reserve engineers or National Guard? I spent many a summer working
with a
National Guard engineer battalion there, but never with any Reserves.
There was
a little nudist beach (Pirate's Cove?) close to San Luis Obispo that we'd
run to
for some sunshine.

The Guard unit had some Combat Engineer Vehicles that we'd take out to the
range
and play with. They're built on an M-60 tank chassis, with a boom, winch,
dozer
blade, and a 165mm main gun. Made a lot of noise, but not very accurate.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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"John H" wrote in message
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On 20 Jun 2005 15:17:59 -0700, "
wrote:

Thanks for the info on reliability.

The problem with Suzuki motors and pricing is that there is one
dealer
in my area.

Many people advise paying a higher price to a local dealer so as to
establish a good working relationship for warranty issues, etc.
Buying
from a remote dealer may get a better price. It can come back to bite
you if you need warranty service.

I live near San Luis Obispo. The nearest dealer is Port San Luis
Marine. They are 1/2 hour from my house. The next closest are in
Fresno, Clovis, Oxnard, and Santa Cruz. All of which are 2-3 1/2
hours
away.

This part of the world is vacationland, so everything costs more than
the urban areas. For a good laugh look up the cost of real estate in
San Luis Obispo county, then the major employers. We pay higher
prices
pretty much everything except the local produce at the farmer's
markets. Outboard motors are no different, it seems.

Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Jolon, now that was bad.


But the bar had good Mexican Pizza.
Never saw a bar in Jolon when I was around there, in the 71-73 time
frame.
Guys were volunteering for Nam to get out of Jolon. :-)




Use to pig hunt at Hunter-Ligget during the 80's. Was a pizza parlor /
bar
then just outside the gates. Last time I was there, was closed. My
buddies
in the Army reserve use to do summer camp there in the 70's. They enjoyed
it, as they were engineers, and had a water treatment plant. They used
the
dozer to make a swimming hole and a trench to hold the daily 500#'s of ice
and the beer.


Was it Reserve engineers or National Guard? I spent many a summer working
with a
National Guard engineer battalion there, but never with any Reserves.
There was
a little nudist beach (Pirate's Cove?) close to San Luis Obispo that we'd
run to
for some sunshine.

The Guard unit had some Combat Engineer Vehicles that we'd take out to the
range
and play with. They're built on an M-60 tank chassis, with a boom, winch,
dozer
blade, and a 165mm main gun. Made a lot of noise, but not very accurate.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Was the 60's and I think they were Army, not National Guard.

Check into www.allcoastfishing.com private boaters tech forum and see if
there is anybody that knows of a good price. Most are LA based.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On 20 Jun 2005 20:20:57 -0700, "
wrote:

Thanks for the info. I think the price is pretty high, too. There
isn't any competition around here, so to a certain extent I am stuck.


Well, to reconsider.... the more boating in an area the lower the
prices... NOYB is in the Mecca of boating and I would reasonably
expect him to strike a better deal than I could. Similarly, if the
Suzuki is significantly cheaper in your area than any other brand
under your consideration..... that is probably a good deal...

I need a few other things done to the boat. It was never finished by
the builder. There are a couple pictures at

http://community.webshots.com/script...6297&r an=124


The link implies that I must be the "owner" of the album before it can
be viewed...

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On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:13:45 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote:

Was stationed at Camp Roberts 63. I was in the 59th Engineer Company
(Combat/Seperate) attached to the 194th Armored Bde which had a tank Bn at
Roberts. This was a Regular Army outfit

Spent seven months there and TDY to Hunter Ligget to run experiments. Our
unit was tested for endurance wearing a gas mask for several days and nights
at a time. Yes, we slept in them. We did get to remove them for meals
only. We all were required to wear sanitary pads with little bulb
thermometers up our U NO whats. Guys with white coats and clip boards would
take our temps from time to time by plugging into a lead attached to our
shirt collars.

We were required to do things like build timber trestle bridges under these
conditions. Several men per day would pass out after the first couple of
days. At least there was plenty of medical attention available.

I spent seven months in that unit. Out of over 35 years of active duty that
was the only assignment I absolutely hated.

Butch
"John H" wrote in message
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On 20 Jun 2005 19:54:08 -0700, "
wrote:

When did you spend time in Paso Robles?

Paso has grown very quickly in the past ten years. The wine industry
has mostly taken over from ranching and dry farming. There has been
national press describing the Paso Robles area as the next Napa. (not
that that is a good thing) Paso is about to surpass SLO town as the
biggest city in the county.

I live in Mudhole, aka, Atascadero.

John H wrote:


Could be worse. You could live in Paso Robles. That would be bad!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

I worked with engineer units as an advisor in the '76 to '78 time frame.
Used to
spend a good part of the summer at Camp Roberts (or Hunter-Ligget).
Actually, I
think Camp Roberts was across the road, but not sure of the relationship
any
more. I would go with them on their summer camp and help with training
planning
and conduct.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Even an hour in a protective mask at Roberts would be a bitch. My commendation
on putting up with such ****! That had to be rough.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."