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I have begun the examination of the small leak when my boat has a normal
amount of water down underneath that the plug drians out.

Here is a view of the step down area with the ruined carpet from always
being wet:
http://home.comcast.net/~ree-yees/100_0406.jpg
The water is leaking out from around this board. It did have screws in it.

Here is another view from inside the cuddy:
http://home.comcast.net/~ree-yees/100_0407.jpg

Now here is the shoker of whats under that board, a big opening!
http://home.comcast.net/~ree-yees/100_0410.jpg
That is a TUBE your seeing to move water from the back of the boat to the
front I guess but this is obviously where my leak is coming from.

When I tip my boat forward and there is water underneath it must splash up
from here.

Here is a closeup of that area:
http://home.comcast.net/~ree-yees/100_0409.jpg

What do you guys recomend? Should I plug that pipe or should I sea up the
hole with something better than a board?

--Cameron

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Note when you pull the carpet back this is not a man made or busted hole it
is the way the craft was designed I guess. The metal is rounded and smooth
right here.

--C

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Here is two pictures with the carpet pulled up:
http://home.comcast.net/~ree-yees/001.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~ree-yees/002.jpg

You can see that all of it is fiberglass and is obviously made this way. Im
assuming its a overflow tub for the back area and maybe water is sloshing up
into this area?

What do you people think? Im going to leave the carpet out when I take her
out tomorrow and try to observe whats going on. Plugging the hole woudl
stop this problem but if Im taking on too much water then I woudl need this
over flow.

Also like I said before when I take out the drain plug after 2 hours of
boating there is only 5-10 seconds of water coming out. That is without
running the bilge pump the entire time.

Thanks!
Cameron

"Ree-Yees" wrote in message
...
Note when you pull the carpet back this is not a man made or busted hole
it
is the way the craft was designed I guess. The metal is rounded and
smooth
right here.

--C

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"Ree-Yees" wrote
What do you people think?

I think you may be approaching this from the wrong end. My guess is that
little well and tube are designed to do the opposite of what you're
describing. That is to say, when you get water in that low spot up front,
it's supposed to drain through the tube down into the bilge where it can be
pumped out. Otherwise, it has nowhere to go. (I'm assuming that when the
boat is in the water, the bow end of the tube is higher than the stern end.)
I'd check around in the bilge and see why there's so much water getting in
there that it's running forward when it's on the trailer. That doesn't seem
right.

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I can't tell much from your pictures. But I think I know what happened.
I have a 1998 Bayliner bowrider: where a cuddy has a V berth, I have two
seats with storage underneath. I also have a small storage space in the bow.
All three storage spaces drain into the water ski compartment. The waterski
compartment drains into the bilge. When my boat is on the trailer, the
lowest part is towards the forward end of the water ski compartment. When I
take any water on board, or get water inside while washing down, there is
always about 1" of water in there. I have to extend the jack stand to it's
limit to drain it.
I suspect your cuddy is very similar in design and that the drain is
blocked, obstructing a free flow of water to the bilge where it can be
drained or pumped overboard. I check mine periodically with a fish tape, the
kind used for pulling electrical wires through walls and ceilings. It
doesn't take much in the way of leaf particles, dirt and sand to block the
drain. It doesn't take much to clear them, either.
Hopefully, any wood in the bottom of the boat is still well covered with
fiberglass and protected from the water. At least part of the floor of the
cuddy must be damaged from years of water, but it may not be that difficult
to cut away the damaged part and replace it.

"Ree-Yees" wrote in message
...
I have begun the examination of the small leak when my boat has a normal
amount of water down underneath that the plug drians out.

Here is a view of the step down area with the ruined carpet from always
being wet:
http://home.comcast.net/~ree-yees/100_0406.jpg
The water is leaking out from around this board. It did have screws in
it.

Here is another view from inside the cuddy:
http://home.comcast.net/~ree-yees/100_0407.jpg

Now here is the shoker of whats under that board, a big opening!
http://home.comcast.net/~ree-yees/100_0410.jpg
That is a TUBE your seeing to move water from the back of the boat to the
front I guess but this is obviously where my leak is coming from.

When I tip my boat forward and there is water underneath it must splash up
from here.

Here is a closeup of that area:
http://home.comcast.net/~ree-yees/100_0409.jpg

What do you guys recomend? Should I plug that pipe or should I sea up the
hole with something better than a board?

--Cameron

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From your description, that "tube" sounds like a limber hole. It should not be
blocked up. It should be open to allow water to drain aft.

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"William G. Andersen" wrote
the drain is blocked, obstructing a free flow of water to the bilge

That's a distinct possibility. That tube looks pretty big in the photos. It
could hold a fair amount of water if the back end of it is stopped up: When
the boat is floating the water could be stored in the tube but when it's on
the trailer it could flow forward into the floor. Fishing something through
the tube to see if it's blocked sounds like a good move.

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Ive tried snaking a cable line down through there and I got it about 3 feet.
Im going to borrow someones drain snake today so I can get it further.
Where should I look for the other end of this tube?

If it is clogged what can I safely pour down it? Some fiberglass draino?
:-)

Thanks!
--Cameron
"Joe Blizzard" wrote in message
...
"William G. Andersen" wrote
the drain is blocked, obstructing a free flow of water to the bilge

That's a distinct possibility. That tube looks pretty big in the photos.
It
could hold a fair amount of water if the back end of it is stopped up:
When
the boat is floating the water could be stored in the tube but when it's
on
the trailer it could flow forward into the floor. Fishing something
through
the tube to see if it's blocked sounds like a good move.

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The drain in my boat looks like a length of PVC pipe from the aft end of the
ski locker to the forward end of the engine compartment. (My boat has a
sterndrive.) If you can't clear it from one end, try from the other. I don't
know about pouring cleaners in there. You might try blasting it with a
garden hose, but if you can't get a snake through I don't think water would
clear it.

"Ree-Yees" wrote in message
...
Ive tried snaking a cable line down through there and I got it about 3
feet.
Im going to borrow someones drain snake today so I can get it further.
Where should I look for the other end of this tube?

If it is clogged what can I safely pour down it? Some fiberglass draino?
:-)

Thanks!
--Cameron
"Joe Blizzard" wrote in message
...
"William G. Andersen" wrote
the drain is blocked, obstructing a free flow of water to the bilge

That's a distinct possibility. That tube looks pretty big in the photos.
It
could hold a fair amount of water if the back end of it is stopped up:
When
the boat is floating the water could be stored in the tube but when it's
on
the trailer it could flow forward into the floor. Fishing something
through
the tube to see if it's blocked sounds like a good move.

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You can use chemicals provided that you check for raw wood contact (frame).
If noe you can use it. Most likely you'll find leaves, dirt etc.Try to open
it from any end and flush it throughly. You can use some bleach 1:5 (not too
strong) solution or Tilex to kill mildew and rot. The water has to be able
to flow freely to the bilge. Use water hose to flush the dirt out.


"William G. Andersen" wrote in message
news:4i7nc.32851$6L3.21237@fed1read05...
The drain in my boat looks like a length of PVC pipe from the aft end of
the
ski locker to the forward end of the engine compartment. (My boat has a
sterndrive.) If you can't clear it from one end, try from the other. I
don't
know about pouring cleaners in there. You might try blasting it with a
garden hose, but if you can't get a snake through I don't think water
would
clear it.

"Ree-Yees" wrote in message
...
Ive tried snaking a cable line down through there and I got it about 3
feet.
Im going to borrow someones drain snake today so I can get it further.
Where should I look for the other end of this tube?

If it is clogged what can I safely pour down it? Some fiberglass
draino?
:-)

Thanks!
--Cameron
"Joe Blizzard" wrote in message
...
"William G. Andersen" wrote
the drain is blocked, obstructing a free flow of water to the bilge

That's a distinct possibility. That tube looks pretty big in the
photos.
It
could hold a fair amount of water if the back end of it is stopped up:
When
the boat is floating the water could be stored in the tube but when
it's
on
the trailer it could flow forward into the floor. Fishing something
through
the tube to see if it's blocked sounds like a good move.

Oh no, its more than a leak. Here are the pics!
 

"Ree-Yees" wrote in message news:2bWmc.4344


What do you guys recomend? Should I plug that pipe or should I sea up the
hole with something better than a board?


No, do NOT block that tube!

Boats leak, it's part of the definition of a boat. Regardless of where the
water enters the boat it needs to find its way out. This usually means that
the water has to flow to the compartment where the bilge pump is.

If your leak (assuming it is only one) is in the back portion of the boat
then plugging that tube would prevent the water from going forward. This
might help isolate where the leak is and could be a good diagnostic
approach, but leaving the tube plugged will eventually result in the entire
front cuddy area filling with water until it was high enough to spill over
the step into the back. If you don't have a leak up there now, you
eventually will get one.

That little well underneath the board looks like a standard design to me.
It was nice of them to give you easy access to that spot, in case you need
to clean out that tube. In fact, maybe that's the problem, clean that tube
out!

One thing that surprises me is how shallow your bilge space is. Any boat
that I have ever owned or operated has leaked, at least a small amount. The
bilge pump will never get all the water out, so there will always be some
that splashes around in the bottom.

While underway, the bow comes up and the low spot in the boat is typically
in the very back. It is a good idea to have a bilge pump located here so
that it can remove the maximum amount of water while underway.

When you are at rest, the bow will be lower and the low spot may be in a
different location. It is possible that the low spot is far enough forward
that water can accumulate and cause the bow to start sinking before the
water level ever reaches the transom bilge pump. For this reason you should
have a second bilge pump in the "at rest" low spot.

Ideally, you would eliminate the leak and not have a problem.
Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world so you had best be able to
deal with a small leak. If the problem is that the small amount of water
that the bilge pumps can't get is enough to spill over into the cabin sole
then you have three choices:

1) get better bilge pumps.
2) redistribute weight so that the stern is a bit lower than the cabin at
rest.
3) raise the cabin sole to provide more bilge space.

Option three might be easier than you think. You can buy these rubber tiles
called "dri deck" that are about 1/2 inch thick and are constructed so that
water can flow through and under them. You just buy a bunch of these and
then trim them to fit the entire cabin floor, then put your carpet over the
tiles. This will give you another 1/2 inch of bilge space, plus the carpet
will dry a lot faster if it does get wet.

Rod McInnis

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So I have found out that the tube coming out in the cuddy cabin is for
draining out water in the cabin that could accrue from rain, wet towels,
people, etc. The bilge pump will suck on this tube to suck the water out
when I turn it on.

What is happening is, when enough water is below the engine and I havn't
been running the bilge pump, if I slow down super fast to make the nose of
the boat go way down, some of that water will make its way up the tube and
come out into the cuddy cabins floor.

If I run the bilge pump for a few seconds before doing the slow down no
water will come out into the cuddy area.

If I run the bilge pump when the water does come out into the cuddy area it
sucks it right out.

So if I ran my bilge pump all the time I would never see this water, but
sometimes there would be no water for the bilge pump to suck out and it
would be running dry. Will this hurt the pump?

I have a plug for the cuddy pipe that I could plug it with and take it out
if rain got in there but I havn't tested it out yet.

--C

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So if I ran my bilge pump all the time I would never see this water, but
sometimes there would be no water for the bilge pump to suck out and it
would be running dry. Will this hurt the pump?


Yes.

You need an automatic switch for that bilge pump to turn it on and shut it off
depending on the water level.

Float switches can be a pain in the butt, and usually don't last very long.

I think my next pump switch willl be a:

www.waterwitchinc.com

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On Tue, 18 May 2004 08:43:17 -0500, "Ree-Yees"
wrote:

So I have found out that the tube coming out in the cuddy cabin is for
draining out water in the cabin that could accrue from rain, wet towels,
people, etc.

My boat has a similar device, sans the pump. It relies on gravity to
drain the cabin sole.

The bilge pump will suck on this tube to suck the water out
when I turn it on.

What is happening is, when enough water is below the engine and I havn't
been running the bilge pump, if I slow down super fast to make the nose of
the boat go way down, some of that water will make its way up the tube and
come out into the cuddy cabins floor.

Yup. That nasty thing called inertia.


If I run the bilge pump for a few seconds before doing the slow down no
water will come out into the cuddy area.

If I run the bilge pump when the water does come out into the cuddy area it
sucks it right out.

So if I ran my bilge pump all the time I would never see this water, but
sometimes there would be no water for the bilge pump to suck out and it
would be running dry. Will this hurt the pump?

Running a pump dry will hurt it eventually.


I have a plug for the cuddy pipe that I could plug it with and take it out
if rain got in there but I havn't tested it out yet.

That is your best bet. The drain in my boat has a threaded fitting
which the plug screws into. Since I never get water in the cabin area,
I never remove the plug.

Dave

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Also Sprach Gould 0738 :

You need an automatic switch for that bilge pump to turn it on and shut it off
depending on the water level.

Float switches can be a pain in the butt, and usually don't last very long.

I think my next pump switch willl be a:

www.waterwitchinc.com

I had a water witch, the orange model 257 shown on the website. It
sucked. It would turn on just fine, but quite often would not turn
off. If I cleaned it well with windex, it would work for a few weeks,
then start sticking on again. I got sick of climbing in the bilge to
polish a switch, so i went back to a Rule Super Switch with the Super
Switch Guard, it's been running fine for 3 years now. Only maintainence
has been checking under the guard for stray bits of fishing line once a
year. My pop has a Rule fully automatic pump, it starts every 15 minutes
or so, and if it detects load on the pump, it runs until the water is gone
and the load goes away. Has been pretty reliable for 5 years or so, but
kind of annoying to hear the pump spin up every 15 minutes.

Dan


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