On 5/5/2004 10:07 AM, Harry Krause wrote:

basskisser wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message ...

I had a wonderful time as a kid with 12-14' Penn Yans and Wolverines
powered by 15/18 hp evinrudes, on the connecticut side of the sound.

Spent the first years of my life close to Penn Yan, NY., where the boats are made.


Ahh. My father gave me two Penn Yans to use during two successive
summers. I loved the boats. Both had hulls of wood strips covered with
some sort of canvas. The decks, seats and interiors were varnished wood.
Round chines, soft ride, really pretty, classic-looking little boats. He
was a Penn Yan dealer for many years, but dropped the boats in the late
1950s. Kept selling the canoes, though.

My family has a 8' 1942 Penn Yan on the stern of our Chris. Wonderful
rowing dingy.

Unfortunately, the guy in the slip across from ours stalled while
reversing, forgot to put her in neutral before restarting, lost control
(guess what brand of boat...), and smacked directly into our Penn Yan.
The dingy took the brunt of the hit (cracked the keel and broke a bunch
of ribs) and saved the Chris' transom.

Check out the "crunched" series at
http://home.comcast.net/~galmgren/chris-craft/

We're hoping that we can find someone to salvage it, since it's doubtful
we could find a replacement for a decent price.

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

Why jump into a "big" boat, if your a newbie, it is much larger investment,
much larger costs etc etc. What if you decide you do not like boating after
a year? At this point it is an experiment, you are only assuming you are
going to enjoy going out on the water with family and friends. Should you
jump into the biggest boat, you are risking more. Especially should your
boating waters be dangerous, it only adds more risks. It is like learning
anything, you start at grade 1 and move up, you do not simply jump into
college. Normal progression is the safest one. Marinas and boat dealers love
it either way, if you just jump into big boat, then they capitalize on
damage, fixing this, etc etc, if you decide to learn on something smaller
that you can handle, then they may get sales. Assuming you always buy from
the dealer. Remember, when your offshore, the wind and waves pick up, and
you turn that key to start that motor, what if it doesn't start? And the
wind is picking up, and the waves, and you do not know where to
troubleshoot. Maybe he should simply charter out.












"Garth Almgren" wrote in message
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On 5/5/2004 10:07 AM, Harry Krause wrote:

basskisser wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message
...

I had a wonderful time as a kid with 12-14' Penn Yans and Wolverines
powered by 15/18 hp evinrudes, on the connecticut side of the sound.

Spent the first years of my life close to Penn Yan, NY., where the boats
are made.


Ahh. My father gave me two Penn Yans to use during two successive
summers. I loved the boats. Both had hulls of wood strips covered with
some sort of canvas. The decks, seats and interiors were varnished wood.
Round chines, soft ride, really pretty, classic-looking little boats. He
was a Penn Yan dealer for many years, but dropped the boats in the late
1950s. Kept selling the canoes, though.

My family has a 8' 1942 Penn Yan on the stern of our Chris. Wonderful
rowing dingy.

Unfortunately, the guy in the slip across from ours stalled while
reversing, forgot to put her in neutral before restarting, lost control
(guess what brand of boat...), and smacked directly into our Penn Yan.
The dingy took the brunt of the hit (cracked the keel and broke a bunch
of ribs) and saved the Chris' transom.

Check out the "crunched" series at
http://home.comcast.net/~galmgren/chris-craft/

We're hoping that we can find someone to salvage it, since it's doubtful
we could find a replacement for a decent price.

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

" Tuuk" wrote in message
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Why jump into a "big" boat, if your a newbie, it is much larger
investment,
much larger costs etc etc. What if you decide you do not like boating
after
a year?

I own a 14' boat, which happens to be perfect for my needs. It's extremely
seaworthy for its size. But, a 14-16' boat is in NO way an accurate
indication of what it'll be like to operate, maintain and enjoy a slightly
larger boat, perhaps in the 19-25' range.


At this point it is an experiment, you are only assuming you are
going to enjoy going out on the water with family and friends.

Smaller boats tend to be less than comfortable. And, he won't have room for
MUCH family & friends.


Especially should your
boating waters be dangerous, it only adds more risks.

What??? The only way this is true is if you're saying that you risk less
financial loss if a small boat sinks, compared with a larger one. Other than
that, the statement makes absolutely no sense.

Especially should your
boating waters be dangerous, it only adds more risks.

What??? The only way this is true is if you're saying that you risk less
financial loss if a small boat sinks, compared with a larger one. Other than
that, the statement makes absolutely no sense.


Glad somebody else noticed that, too.

"If the water is dangerous, a small boat is better." NOT!

Hey Tuuk, do you have a boat or are you just hanging out for the politics?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Especially should your
boating waters be dangerous, it only adds more risks.

What??? The only way this is true is if you're saying that you risk less
financial loss if a small boat sinks, compared with a larger one. Other
than
that, the statement makes absolutely no sense.


Glad somebody else noticed that, too.

"If the water is dangerous, a small boat is better." NOT!

Hey Tuuk, do you have a boat or are you just hanging out for the politics?



I love my boat, in terms of its ability to keep me dry, and get me through
weather that would terrify some boaters. And, if I lift the motor, I can
pole or row my way through 6" of water when necessary. But frankly, it's
pretty damned uncomfortable. With an ice chest, fishing tackle, vests &
battery, it's got plenty of room for 2, or maybe 3, if the passengers are
people who understand where someone's trying to move to next.

I've looked at slightly larger Lunds, as well as Alumacraft and one other
similar brand whose name I forget, and decided that designers cannot work
miracles in boats under 18'.

Gould,, when you quote some one,, you use the "" "" right???

But why would you change the quote???

Hey,, I boat in some of the most dangerous waters in the world. Have my
whole life. Up north at the cottage I have a 15foot runabout, bow rider with
a 70hp Johnson with ski bar and we have a lot of fun with it, and I have a
larger boat, and both boats handle differently (because of their size) in
dangerous waters.

So Gould, in answer to your question,,

"""Hey Tuuk, do you have a boat or are you just hanging out for the
politics?"""

(notice I didn't change any of your words around? I did a cut and paste
within your quotation but didn't change any words, remove or add words, I
completely quoted you as you spoke)

In answer to your question,,,,,, yes,,,,,

And next time you quote someone, and use quotation marks, you should
accurately quote that person, or else why bother?

Your not too smart are you there Gould?? Your going to have to give the head
a shake over that one,, looks like your fitting in to your puppet master's
agenda.

I think you are liking the politics more than most, remember the caller
asked about size of a first boat, you seem to think that he can jump into
the largest one possible, I suggested he should start small, now how you
morons are spinning that around to every stupidity is only wasting time and
not helping the caller. And personally, I think your advice of just buying
the biggest boat possible to maintain comfort lacks intelligence, prudence
and good advice. Of course there is a probability of danger in anysize boat
but for a rookie or newbie as he describes himself, there is a much higher
probability that he will have problems should his first boat be one much
bigger than he could handle. Remember, he is asking a group of professionals
or life long boaters for their advice, dont confuse the caller with your
bull**** politics and let the boaters answer. Dont skew the answers either.
But do give your head a shake....As I said, I boat in some of the most
dangerous waters in the world, I see jet skiers, I see rookies, lots of
boaters, and we actually have separate laws in our area that boaters must
obey. It is a good thing also.






"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Especially should your
boating waters be dangerous, it only adds more risks.

What??? The only way this is true is if you're saying that you risk less
financial loss if a small boat sinks, compared with a larger one. Other
than
that, the statement makes absolutely no sense.


Glad somebody else noticed that, too.

"If the water is dangerous, a small boat is better." NOT!

Hey Tuuk, do you have a boat or are you just hanging out for the politics?

Tuuk, when you give your head I shake I'm sure there's a rattling sound.

I suggested the OP buy a baot that suits his needs, and spend time at the very
beginning learning to operate it.

How you twist that around to "buy the biggest boat possible" is a mystery.
Right up there with where elephants die.