John Kerry was insulting to my brother who did 2 tours in country as a
Seabee. Kerry came home and called the soldiers in VN: raping, stealing,
killing innocents soldiers. I would have been in VN, except I lucked out
and got assigned to a transport squadron. And I think Don is also a liar
about being an Airborne vet!

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:kuiic.14093$_L6.1064081@attbi_s53...
Bill, that is very insulting to John Kerry.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
news On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and
union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't serve in
the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He is
both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was smarter
than that.

As far as Don being a Ranger, who knows, but he does seem like he landed on
his head once too often.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
John Kerry was insulting to my brother who did 2 tours in country as a
Seabee. Kerry came home and called the soldiers in VN: raping, stealing,
killing innocents soldiers. I would have been in VN, except I lucked out
and got assigned to a transport squadron. And I think Don is also a liar
about being an Airborne vet!

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:kuiic.14093$_L6.1064081@attbi_s53...
Bill, that is very insulting to John Kerry.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
news On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and
union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and most
of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't serve in
the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He is
both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

You missed a punctuation. Or I did.
He accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and killing innocents.
Non-combatants.
Bill

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was smarter
than that.

As far as Don being a Ranger, who knows, but he does seem like he landed
on
his head once too often.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
John Kerry was insulting to my brother who did 2 tours in country as a
Seabee. Kerry came home and called the soldiers in VN: raping,
stealing,
killing innocents soldiers. I would have been in VN, except I lucked
out
and got assigned to a transport squadron. And I think Don is also a
liar
about being an Airborne vet!

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:kuiic.14093$_L6.1064081@attbi_s53...
Bill, that is very insulting to John Kerry.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
news On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and
union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and
most
of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't serve
in
the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He
is
both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

Jeez this boy is slow....

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was smarter
than that.

As far as Don being a Ranger, who knows, but he does seem like he landed
on
his head once too often.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...
John Kerry was insulting to my brother who did 2 tours in country as a
Seabee. Kerry came home and called the soldiers in VN: raping,
stealing,
killing innocents soldiers. I would have been in VN, except I lucked
out
and got assigned to a transport squadron. And I think Don is also a
liar
about being an Airborne vet!

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:kuiic.14093$_L6.1064081@attbi_s53...
Bill, that is very insulting to John Kerry.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:ICgic.12715$w96.1193378@attbi_s54...
you tell him Don, you got him on the run.


"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
news On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:22:08 -0400, "Don"

wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote
At least Bush served. More than a lot of politco's and
union
head's
sons
did.

As if that's a good thing.
The militaries take advantage of youthful naivete and
most
of
them
get
out
after their first term.
If you had *served* you would already know this.

Based upon the new Democrat philosophy if you didn't serve
in
the
military
you have no right to quesiton those that did.

I am not a Democrat and I will question whatever I choose.

So, did you serve in the
military?

Four years, 75th Ranger Bn.

Bull****. Rangers display more sense.

You're just jealous.





With the statements about raping, stealing, killing innocents. He
is
both
an idiot and sounds like a J. Kerry clone.

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was smarter
than that.

I think it's safe to say that due to tensions and emotions running high,
quite a few people made blanket judgements of certain groups in the late
1960s and early 1970s, like soldiers and cops. There's no reason to think
Kerry was different from everyone else in this regard. I know *I* had some
unsavory things to say about the police after witnessing what the Chicago
cops did in 1968. But, at the same time, my own interactions with them were
nothing but good, even though I had VERY long hair and looked like someone
the cops enjoyed beating on.

Footnote:
My WORST experience was when I was pulled over by a NY State trooper for
doing 90 in a 55 zone in my screaming yellow 1970 Cougar. For some reason,
he didn't ticket me. But, he harrassed me mercilessly for having an
automatic instead of a Hurst shifter. My BEST experience was while
hitchhiking from Syracuse to the Canadian border. Trooper pulled over. I
said "If this is how my trip's beginning, I'll just walk". I turned around
to get off the entrance ramp. He said "I'm offering you a ride". He asked if
I had any drugs on me. I said no. He said "OK"....get in. I asked him how
fast the car would go before feeling shaky. He showed me. We completed a 100
mile trip in about an hour and three minutes. Great fun. Turned out we had
the same philosophy professor - he was in night school. Discussed Sartre for
most of the trip. So much for stereotypes.

Doug,
You are correct, but Kerry should have know better, since he was a Viet Nam
vet. While there were a few loose cannons over there, the vast majority
were kids scared ****less, who wanted to come with everything attached.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and
killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was
smarter
than that.

I think it's safe to say that due to tensions and emotions running high,
quite a few people made blanket judgements of certain groups in the late
1960s and early 1970s, like soldiers and cops. There's no reason to think
Kerry was different from everyone else in this regard. I know *I* had some
unsavory things to say about the police after witnessing what the Chicago
cops did in 1968. But, at the same time, my own interactions with them
were
nothing but good, even though I had VERY long hair and looked like someone
the cops enjoyed beating on.

Footnote:
My WORST experience was when I was pulled over by a NY State trooper for
doing 90 in a 55 zone in my screaming yellow 1970 Cougar. For some reason,
he didn't ticket me. But, he harrassed me mercilessly for having an
automatic instead of a Hurst shifter. My BEST experience was while
hitchhiking from Syracuse to the Canadian border. Trooper pulled over. I
said "If this is how my trip's beginning, I'll just walk". I turned around
to get off the entrance ramp. He said "I'm offering you a ride". He asked
if
I had any drugs on me. I said no. He said "OK"....get in. I asked him how
fast the car would go before feeling shaky. He showed me. We completed a
100
mile trip in about an hour and three minutes. Great fun. Turned out we had
the same philosophy professor - he was in night school. Discussed Sartre
for
most of the trip. So much for stereotypes.

How do you know, with 100% accuracy, that he did NOT witness the things he
claimed? After all, there was the My Lai incident, right? Or, like people
who deny that the holocaust happened, do you not believe the reports of THAT
atrocity?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:MNBic.16007$cF6.641627@attbi_s04...
Doug,
You are correct, but Kerry should have know better, since he was a Viet
Nam
vet. While there were a few loose cannons over there, the vast majority
were kids scared ****less, who wanted to come with everything attached.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and
killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was
smarter
than that.

I think it's safe to say that due to tensions and emotions running high,
quite a few people made blanket judgements of certain groups in the late
1960s and early 1970s, like soldiers and cops. There's no reason to
think
Kerry was different from everyone else in this regard. I know *I* had
some
unsavory things to say about the police after witnessing what the
Chicago
cops did in 1968. But, at the same time, my own interactions with them
were
nothing but good, even though I had VERY long hair and looked like
someone
the cops enjoyed beating on.

Footnote:
My WORST experience was when I was pulled over by a NY State trooper for
doing 90 in a 55 zone in my screaming yellow 1970 Cougar. For some
reason,
he didn't ticket me. But, he harrassed me mercilessly for having an
automatic instead of a Hurst shifter. My BEST experience was while
hitchhiking from Syracuse to the Canadian border. Trooper pulled over. I
said "If this is how my trip's beginning, I'll just walk". I turned
around
to get off the entrance ramp. He said "I'm offering you a ride". He
asked
if
I had any drugs on me. I said no. He said "OK"....get in. I asked him
how
fast the car would go before feeling shaky. He showed me. We completed a
100
mile trip in about an hour and three minutes. Great fun. Turned out we
had
the same philosophy professor - he was in night school. Discussed Sartre
for
most of the trip. So much for stereotypes.

I can say with 100% accuracy that not all soldiers were baby killers,
rapists etc.

To say that the soldiers were ____________________ because of crimes
committed by a few, is a bad as saying all (insert ethnic group here) are
bums and drunks, because of the actions of a few.

Doug, I think you and Don have gone over the deep end, and your best left to
each other.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
How do you know, with 100% accuracy, that he did NOT witness the things he
claimed? After all, there was the My Lai incident, right? Or, like people
who deny that the holocaust happened, do you not believe the reports of
THAT
atrocity?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:MNBic.16007$cF6.641627@attbi_s04...
Doug,
You are correct, but Kerry should have know better, since he was a Viet
Nam
vet. While there were a few loose cannons over there, the vast majority
were kids scared ****less, who wanted to come with everything attached.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and
killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was
smarter
than that.

I think it's safe to say that due to tensions and emotions running
high,
quite a few people made blanket judgements of certain groups in the
late
1960s and early 1970s, like soldiers and cops. There's no reason to
think
Kerry was different from everyone else in this regard. I know *I* had
some
unsavory things to say about the police after witnessing what the
Chicago
cops did in 1968. But, at the same time, my own interactions with them
were
nothing but good, even though I had VERY long hair and looked like
someone
the cops enjoyed beating on.

Footnote:
My WORST experience was when I was pulled over by a NY State trooper
for
doing 90 in a 55 zone in my screaming yellow 1970 Cougar. For some
reason,
he didn't ticket me. But, he harrassed me mercilessly for having an
automatic instead of a Hurst shifter. My BEST experience was while
hitchhiking from Syracuse to the Canadian border. Trooper pulled over.
I
said "If this is how my trip's beginning, I'll just walk". I turned
around
to get off the entrance ramp. He said "I'm offering you a ride". He
asked
if
I had any drugs on me. I said no. He said "OK"....get in. I asked him
how
fast the car would go before feeling shaky. He showed me. We completed
a
100
mile trip in about an hour and three minutes. Great fun. Turned out we
had
the same philosophy professor - he was in night school. Discussed
Sartre
for
most of the trip. So much for stereotypes.

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:EFDic.24521$aQ6.1431970@attbi_s51...
I can say with 100% accuracy that not all soldiers were baby killers,
rapists etc.

In your alcohol-soaked reality, to you imagine having heard Kerry say 100%
of the soldiers in Vietnam committed atrocities?

On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:59:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

How do you know, with 100% accuracy, that he did NOT witness the things he
claimed? After all, there was the My Lai incident, right? Or, like people
who deny that the holocaust happened, do you not believe the reports of THAT
atrocity?

"John Smith" wrote in message
news:MNBic.16007$cF6.641627@attbi_s04...
Doug,
You are correct, but Kerry should have know better, since he was a Viet
Nam
vet. While there were a few loose cannons over there, the vast majority
were kids scared ****less, who wanted to come with everything attached.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"John Smith" wrote in message
news:4Pkic.11245$cF6.487216@attbi_s04...
Bill,
I did not know Kerry accused the soldiers of raping, stealing and
killing
innocent soldiers. I don't agree with Kerry, but I thought he was
smarter
than that.

I think it's safe to say that due to tensions and emotions running high,
quite a few people made blanket judgements of certain groups in the late
1960s and early 1970s, like soldiers and cops. There's no reason to
think
Kerry was different from everyone else in this regard. I know *I* had
some
unsavory things to say about the police after witnessing what the
Chicago
cops did in 1968. But, at the same time, my own interactions with them
were
nothing but good, even though I had VERY long hair and looked like
someone
the cops enjoyed beating on.

Footnote:
My WORST experience was when I was pulled over by a NY State trooper for
doing 90 in a 55 zone in my screaming yellow 1970 Cougar. For some
reason,
he didn't ticket me. But, he harrassed me mercilessly for having an
automatic instead of a Hurst shifter. My BEST experience was while
hitchhiking from Syracuse to the Canadian border. Trooper pulled over. I
said "If this is how my trip's beginning, I'll just walk". I turned
around
to get off the entrance ramp. He said "I'm offering you a ride". He
asked
if
I had any drugs on me. I said no. He said "OK"....get in. I asked him
how
fast the car would go before feeling shaky. He showed me. We completed a
100
mile trip in about an hour and three minutes. Great fun. Turned out we
had
the same philosophy professor - he was in night school. Discussed Sartre
for
most of the trip. So much for stereotypes.

Doug, if you witness a murder, are you not going to report it? He was an
officer! If he witnessed war crimes, he had two courses of action to take: stop
them and report them so appropriate action could be taken.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!