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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
... WASHINGTON - The United States is bracing for possible terrorist attacks before the November presidential election, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said yesterday. I wonder which irrelevant election question Rove believes would be addressed by an attack: "Do you feel safer?", or "Who do you think will do a better job of fighting terrorism?". The media have already twisted the meaning of the attack in Spain, right? Hardly anyone would get the point of another one here, especially after the spin had been brushed on nice & thick. Example - St Louis arch is found to be the subject of a bombing plot: "Maaah daddy was schedulated to be in that beautiful city to give a speech at one of them management seminaries. This here's an attack on mah family. Condy here tells me the evildoers was located in Liverpool. I'm sending our fighting boys to that city immediately. But not my girls, of course." |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message "Harry Krause" wrote in message You two should take your act on the road! It could be as successful as DNC Radio! |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RICE: 'TOO GOOD TO PASS UP' WASHINGTON - The United States is bracing for possible terrorist attacks before the November presidential election, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said yesterday. Why is it you lefties, hate women, no respect. It was always Dr. Kissenger, not Henry, or Hank. But to you, it is Condi, Condoleezza, etc. Never Dr. Condoleezza Rice, or Dr. Rice. Bill |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message k.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RICE: 'TOO GOOD TO PASS UP' WASHINGTON - The United States is bracing for possible terrorist attacks before the November presidential election, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said yesterday. Why is it you lefties, hate women, no respect. It was always Dr. Kissenger, not Henry, or Hank. But to you, it is Condi, Condoleezza, etc. Never Dr. Condoleezza Rice, or Dr. Rice. Bill It is not just women, I recall slick willie doing the same sort of thing in the debates against Bush Sr. ....calling him Mr. Bush, not President.....it's the left's (not so) subtle method of demeaning their opponents.....one step short of name calling. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RICE: 'TOO GOOD TO PASS UP' WASHINGTON - The United States is bracing for possible terrorist attacks before the November presidential election, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said yesterday. Why is it you lefties, hate women, no respect. It was always Dr. Kissenger, not Henry, or Hank. But to you, it is Condi, Condoleezza, etc. Never Dr. Condoleezza Rice, or Dr. Rice. Bill I never used Kissinger's "Dr" title when discussing him. Matter of fact, I seriously doubt 99% of other people did, either, unless he was being introduced at a speech. And by the way, your president calls Dr Rice "Condi". |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message k.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RICE: 'TOO GOOD TO PASS UP' WASHINGTON - The United States is bracing for possible terrorist attacks before the November presidential election, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said yesterday. Why is it you lefties, hate women, no respect. It was always Dr. Kissenger, not Henry, or Hank. But to you, it is Condi, Condoleezza, etc. Never Dr. Condoleezza Rice, or Dr. Rice. Bill I never used Kissinger's "Dr" title when discussing him. Matter of fact, I seriously doubt 99% of other people did, either, unless he was being introduced at a speech. And by the way, your president calls Dr Rice "Condi". You probably said "Kissenger". But every news source called him Dr. Kissenger, Kissenger. Not Hank, or Henry. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message k.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message k.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RICE: 'TOO GOOD TO PASS UP' WASHINGTON - The United States is bracing for possible terrorist attacks before the November presidential election, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said yesterday. Why is it you lefties, hate women, no respect. It was always Dr. Kissenger, not Henry, or Hank. But to you, it is Condi, Condoleezza, etc. Never Dr. Condoleezza Rice, or Dr. Rice. Bill I never used Kissinger's "Dr" title when discussing him. Matter of fact, I seriously doubt 99% of other people did, either, unless he was being introduced at a speech. And by the way, your president calls Dr Rice "Condi". You probably said "Kissenger". But every news source called him Dr. Kissenger, Kissenger. Not Hank, or Henry. 1) News sources strive for smooth language. They most certainly did NOT use his title for every mention of his name. 2) News sources today do NOT use Rice's title most of the time either. You know that. 3) It's "Kissinger", not "Kissenger". |
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Calif Bill wrote:
You probably said "Kissenger". But every news source called him Dr. Kissenger, Kissenger. Not Hank, or Henry. Well, I certainly wouldn't call him Henry, I have a dog named that. But both Dr. Rice and Dr. Kissinger deserve to have their titles noted & acknowledged... how often is a matter of judgement. Every time? Might be excessive and sound patronizing or sarcastic. 1/2 the time? Maybe, it's a judgment call. BTW I thought Kissinger was a dispicable traitor for his actions under Nixon... although as a practitioner of global power politics, he is a master. Now that he decided his moneybags lobbying contracts were more important than the truth about Sept 11th, I have a new reason to despise him. If we are waging a war against terror, isn't it *important* to get the facts on the most devastating terrorist attack on us? If Sept 11th justifies invading Afghanistan and Iraq, why is the Bush Administration stonewalling (and now hurling mud at the investigators)? DSK |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net... You probably said "Kissenger". But every news source called him Dr. Kissenger, Kissenger. Not Hank, or Henry. Hey Billy Bob....here's something weird. I have this book about Kissinger on the table. I forgot I had it. Now, granted it's written by Walter Isaacson, a total slacker who's a graduate of Harvard, and a former Assistant Managing Editor of Time, but even so, I've scanned the first 100 pages or so. I just can't seem to find the word "Dr." You really ought to lay off the bottle before you touch the keyboard. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RICE: 'TOO GOOD TO PASS UP' WASHINGTON - The United States is bracing for possible terrorist attacks before the November presidential election, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said yesterday. Why is it you lefties, hate women, no respect. It was always Dr. Kissenger, not Henry, or Hank. But to you, it is Condi, Condoleezza, etc. Never Dr. Condoleezza Rice, or Dr. Rice. Bill Bush, and his cronies all call her Condi. Does that mean that THEY don't respect women, and hate them? Have you ever thought that maybe she PREFERS that moniker? |
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Harry, in response to another post, you said "Doubtful. My wife is a
licensed psychotherapist. She deals with losers like you all day long." http://www.google.com/groups?q=my+wi...ls.com&rnum=55 Since a psychiatrist is the only mental health profession that is required to obtain a medical degree from a school of medicine or or osteopathy. While some psychiatrists will use psychotherapy in their practice, no psychiatrists would ever call themselves a licensed psychotherapist. It appears that your wife profession is as imaginary as your Lobster Boat. According to Mental Health Channel, a psychotherapist interacts with patients to initiate change in the patient's thoughts, feelings, and behavior through adaptation. Psychotherapists provide treatment in individual and group settings. A licensed psychotherapist obtains a master's degree or doctorate in a chosen mental health field, undergoes a supervised clinical residency, and is licensed, certified, or registered by a government or psychological agency to which they are accountable. Licensed professionals who practice psychotherapy include the following: a.. Psychiatrists b.. Registered psychiatric nurses c.. Clinical social workers d.. Marriage therapists e.. Family therapists f.. Clinical psychologists Drug and alcohol counselors, ordained priests, ministers, and rabbis may practice psychotherapy without a license. In some states, a person with a master's degree in education or psychology may also practice psychotherapy without a license. Types of Psychotherapy Psychotherapists use the following techniques to treat various psychological conditions and situations: a.. Behavioral therapy (e.g., cognitive behavioral therapy, motivational enhancement therapy, controlled exposure with response prevention) b.. Biofeedback c.. Interactive group therapy (e.g., family therapy) d.. Meditation e.. Relaxation training f.. Self-help groups g.. Psychodynamic therapy It looks like your wife is as imaginary as your lobster boat. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... basskisser wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RICE: 'TOO GOOD TO PASS UP' WASHINGTON - The United States is bracing for possible terrorist attacks before the November presidential election, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said yesterday. Why is it you lefties, hate women, no respect. It was always Dr. Kissenger, not Henry, or Hank. But to you, it is Condi, Condoleezza, etc. Never Dr. Condoleezza Rice, or Dr. Rice. Bill Bush, and his cronies all call her Condi. Does that mean that THEY don't respect women, and hate them? Have you ever thought that maybe she PREFERS that moniker? Poor Calif Bill is confused, as usual. It is the custom to refer to medical practitioners who are doctors as "doctor," but not the custom to refer to those who have doctorates as "doctor," unless you're in an academic arena, or introducing an expert witness, or otherwise referring to that person in some special, qualified way. Ms. Rice is appropriate, Mr. Kissinger is appropriate, as is Dr. Rice or Dr. Kissinger. Interestlingly, both enjoyed or suffered popularization of their names, and Kissinger was assigned some unusual nicknames. Most of us called him Dr. Strangelove, after the movie character who was patterned after Henry himself. My wife is a doctor, and she's also a candidate for a doctorate. Her close colleagues have already nicknamed her "Doctor Doctor." At her insistence, most of her patients call her by her first name. She's not interested in maintaining that particular barrier. Incidentally, I have great respect for Ms. Rice's intellect and accomplishments, and I feel sad she sold her soul to the Republican devil, and apparently has no misgivings about her now-deceitful existence. But I feel sorriest for Colin Powell, an intellectually honest man who must be going through a hellish soul-searching every day because of the duplicity and stupidity of his boss. |
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PS - I wonder what a licensed psychotherapist would say if their spouse
called their clients "losers". "John Smith" wrote in message news:J%ahc.166348$gA5.1953603@attbi_s03... Harry, in response to another post, you said "Doubtful. My wife is a licensed psychotherapist. She deals with losers like you all day long." http://www.google.com/groups?q=my+wi...ls.com&rnum=55 Since a psychiatrist is the only mental health profession that is required to obtain a medical degree from a school of medicine or or osteopathy. While some psychiatrists will use psychotherapy in their practice, no psychiatrists would ever call themselves a licensed psychotherapist. It appears that your wife profession is as imaginary as your Lobster Boat. According to Mental Health Channel, a psychotherapist interacts with patients to initiate change in the patient's thoughts, feelings, and behavior through adaptation. Psychotherapists provide treatment in individual and group settings. A licensed psychotherapist obtains a master's degree or doctorate in a chosen mental health field, undergoes a supervised clinical residency, and is licensed, certified, or registered by a government or psychological agency to which they are accountable. Licensed professionals who practice psychotherapy include the following: a.. Psychiatrists b.. Registered psychiatric nurses c.. Clinical social workers d.. Marriage therapists e.. Family therapists f.. Clinical psychologists Drug and alcohol counselors, ordained priests, ministers, and rabbis may practice psychotherapy without a license. In some states, a person with a master's degree in education or psychology may also practice psychotherapy without a license. Types of Psychotherapy Psychotherapists use the following techniques to treat various psychological conditions and situations: a.. Behavioral therapy (e.g., cognitive behavioral therapy, motivational enhancement therapy, controlled exposure with response prevention) b.. Biofeedback c.. Interactive group therapy (e.g., family therapy) d.. Meditation e.. Relaxation training f.. Self-help groups g.. Psychodynamic therapy It looks like your wife is as imaginary as your lobster boat. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... basskisser wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RICE: 'TOO GOOD TO PASS UP' WASHINGTON - The United States is bracing for possible terrorist attacks before the November presidential election, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said yesterday. Why is it you lefties, hate women, no respect. It was always Dr. Kissenger, not Henry, or Hank. But to you, it is Condi, Condoleezza, etc. Never Dr. Condoleezza Rice, or Dr. Rice. Bill Bush, and his cronies all call her Condi. Does that mean that THEY don't respect women, and hate them? Have you ever thought that maybe she PREFERS that moniker? Poor Calif Bill is confused, as usual. It is the custom to refer to medical practitioners who are doctors as "doctor," but not the custom to refer to those who have doctorates as "doctor," unless you're in an academic arena, or introducing an expert witness, or otherwise referring to that person in some special, qualified way. Ms. Rice is appropriate, Mr. Kissinger is appropriate, as is Dr. Rice or Dr. Kissinger. Interestlingly, both enjoyed or suffered popularization of their names, and Kissinger was assigned some unusual nicknames. Most of us called him Dr. Strangelove, after the movie character who was patterned after Henry himself. My wife is a doctor, and she's also a candidate for a doctorate. Her close colleagues have already nicknamed her "Doctor Doctor." At her insistence, most of her patients call her by her first name. She's not interested in maintaining that particular barrier. Incidentally, I have great respect for Ms. Rice's intellect and accomplishments, and I feel sad she sold her soul to the Republican devil, and apparently has no misgivings about her now-deceitful existence. But I feel sorriest for Colin Powell, an intellectually honest man who must be going through a hellish soul-searching every day because of the duplicity and stupidity of his boss. |
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Who is more successful, Harry or his imaginary wife?
"jps" wrote in message ... In article J%ahc.166348$gA5.1953603@attbi_s03, says... Harry, in response to another post, you said "Doubtful. My wife is a licensed psychotherapist. She deals with losers like you all day long." http://www.google.com/groups?q=my+wi...ls.com&rnum=55 Since a psychiatrist is the only mental health profession that is required to obtain a medical degree from a school of medicine or or osteopathy. While some psychiatrists will use psychotherapy in their practice, no psychiatrists would ever call themselves a licensed psychotherapist. It appears that your wife profession is as imaginary as your Lobster Boat. I knew this attack was coming Harry. The right wing dweebs can't stand that a lefty could be more successful in business and in life. jps |
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It is so funny to watch you squirm around when you are caught in a lie. If
she doesn't want to be considered a doctor, why does she have the licenses on the wall? If she is performing her duties as a therapist, and is not performing her responsibility as a doctor, she doesn't need her licenses on the wall. If she likes to consider herself a therapist and not a doctor, why did you call her Doctor, Doctor? If her patients want to talk to a therapist why doesn't she allow them to talk to a therapist instead of a psychiatrists? It is obvious that you are sliding down the slippery sloop of deceit. "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.b4b17d0aa60c732655d187b9bf9f836c@108 2478843.nulluser.com... jps wrote: In article J%ahc.166348$gA5.1953603@attbi_s03, says... Harry, in response to another post, you said "Doubtful. My wife is a licensed psychotherapist. She deals with losers like you all day long." http://www.google.com/groups?q=my+wi...ls.com&rnum=55 Since a psychiatrist is the only mental health profession that is required to obtain a medical degree from a school of medicine or or osteopathy. While some psychiatrists will use psychotherapy in their practice, no psychiatrists would ever call themselves a licensed psychotherapist. It appears that your wife profession is as imaginary as your Lobster Boat. I knew this attack was coming Harry. The right wing dweebs can't stand that a lefty could be more successful in business and in life. jps It almost always is humorous when one of the badly educated right-wing losers here tries to make some universal truth out of something they cannot even begin to understand. In point of fact, my wife rarely refers to herself as anything more than a therapist. Her degrees and licenses are on the walls of her office, and speak for themselves. Often, my wife says, patients are uncomfortable in a therapy atmosphere in which the therapist has placed himself or herself on an academic pedestal. Psychiatric "rigidity" is mostly passe these days. In fact, many psychiatrists these days are not really engaged in therapy; they've become dispensers of meds. That's not the kind of practice my wife wants. She has a couple of licensed MSWs working for her. They're referred to as "therapists," too. Reality is almost always different from what right-wing numnutzs find on web pages as their substitute for education or real life experience. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.8c82e894fe21988fd92179b5623c2386@108 2482793.nulluser.com... John Smith wrote: If she is performing her duties as a therapist, and is not performing her responsibility as a doctor, she doesn't need her licenses on the wall. These are mutally exclusive to you, eh, dunderhead? Nope, not to me, you are the one who stated she didn't want to be put on a pedestal and did not want to be considered a doctor, she wanted to be considered a therapist. I know many doctors who liked to be called by their first name, but I have never heard of a doctor who wants to be considered a therapist or anything less than he has study for. Anyone who would believe that fantasy needs the help of a real doctor. Tell us about your lobster boat. |
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"John Smith" wrote in message
news:GWchc.166955$gA5.1956110@attbi_s03... It is so funny to watch you squirm around when you are caught in a lie. If she doesn't want to be considered a doctor, why does she have the licenses on the wall? If she is performing her duties as a therapist, and is not performing her responsibility as a doctor, she doesn't need her licenses on the wall. If she likes to consider herself a therapist and not a doctor, why did you call her Doctor, Doctor? If her patients want to talk to a therapist why doesn't she allow them to talk to a therapist instead of a psychiatrists? Sit quietly and look out the window for a few minutes, OK? Calm down and think. How long ago was it that there was a major stigma surrounding the idea of going to a psychiatrist? It's not gone yet for many people. It makes perfect sense for Harry's wife to call herself a therapist if she thinks her clients will be more relaxed with that title. 1....2....3....4...5.........I don't sense any wheels turning. Let's try using set theory to explain this, OK? Many psychiatrists provide therapy (seeing clients, in other words), while others do research. Some therapists are psychiatrists. Some are not. How's that? |
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"John Smith" wrote in message
news:Jndhc.167072$gA5.1956706@attbi_s03... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.8c82e894fe21988fd92179b5623c2386@108 2482793.nulluser.com... John Smith wrote: If she is performing her duties as a therapist, and is not performing her responsibility as a doctor, she doesn't need her licenses on the wall. These are mutally exclusive to you, eh, dunderhead? Nope, not to me, you are the one who stated she didn't want to be put on a pedestal and did not want to be considered a doctor, she wanted to be considered a therapist. I know many doctors who liked to be called by their first name, but I have never heard of a doctor who wants to be considered a therapist or anything less than he has study for. Anyone who would believe that fantasy needs the help of a real doctor. Interesting. I always address my excelent internist as Dr. Kerper. He always corrects me and says "It's Bob". His diploma from Yale is hanging right on the wall behind him the whole time. What's going on here? |
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Can you imagine a spouse who would call their spouse who was a doctor a
paramedic? Yes, in the past their was a major stigma for anyone to admit to have a mental health problem, but that stigma covered all mental health providers. Those who buy into the stigma do not feel any better having a mental health problem or having to ask for help, if the provider is a doctor or a therapist. If you want to believe Harry's imaginary world, feel free. Anyone who really wanted to verify if Harry's wife is a doctor would be able to do a search of doctors in Maryland and see if their is a female doctor by the name of Krause whose specialty is psychiatry. I would not bother because I know it is a lie. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:Jndhc.167072$gA5.1956706@attbi_s03... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.8c82e894fe21988fd92179b5623c2386@108 2482793.nulluser.com... John Smith wrote: If she is performing her duties as a therapist, and is not performing her responsibility as a doctor, she doesn't need her licenses on the wall. These are mutally exclusive to you, eh, dunderhead? Nope, not to me, you are the one who stated she didn't want to be put on a pedestal and did not want to be considered a doctor, she wanted to be considered a therapist. I know many doctors who liked to be called by their first name, but I have never heard of a doctor who wants to be considered a therapist or anything less than he has study for. Anyone who would believe that fantasy needs the help of a real doctor. Interesting. I always address my excelent internist as Dr. Kerper. He always corrects me and says "It's Bob". His diploma from Yale is hanging right on the wall behind him the whole time. What's going on here? |
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"John Smith" wrote in message
news:C0ehc.167300$gA5.1956639@attbi_s03... Can you imagine a spouse who would call their spouse who was a doctor a paramedic? Yes, in the past their was a major stigma for anyone to admit to have a mental health problem, but that stigma covered all mental health providers. Those who buy into the stigma do not feel any better having a mental health problem or having to ask for help, if the provider is a doctor or a therapist. If you want to believe Harry's imaginary world, feel free. Anyone who really wanted to verify if Harry's wife is a doctor would be able to do a search of doctors in Maryland and see if their is a female doctor by the name of Krause whose specialty is psychiatry. I would not bother because I know it is a lie. You know it's a lie....how? Your research methods fascinate me. |
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"John Smith" wrote in message news:C0ehc.167300$gA5.1956639@attbi_s03... Can you imagine a spouse who would call their spouse who was a doctor a paramedic? Yes, in the past their was a major stigma for anyone to admit to have a mental health problem, but that stigma covered all mental health providers. Those who buy into the stigma do not feel any better having a mental health problem or having to ask for help, if the provider is a doctor or a therapist. If you want to believe Harry's imaginary world, feel free. Anyone who really wanted to verify if Harry's wife is a doctor would be able to do a search of doctors in Maryland and see if their is a female doctor by the name of Krause whose specialty is psychiatry. I would not bother because I know it is a lie. The next claim will be his wife doesn't use his name for 'professional reasons' in reality, (if there is a wife), the reason would be to avoid embarrasment. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:Jndhc.167072$gA5.1956706@attbi_s03... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.8c82e894fe21988fd92179b5623c2386@108 2482793.nulluser.com... John Smith wrote: If she is performing her duties as a therapist, and is not performing her responsibility as a doctor, she doesn't need her licenses on the wall. These are mutally exclusive to you, eh, dunderhead? Nope, not to me, you are the one who stated she didn't want to be put on a pedestal and did not want to be considered a doctor, she wanted to be considered a therapist. I know many doctors who liked to be called by their first name, but I have never heard of a doctor who wants to be considered a therapist or anything less than he has study for. Anyone who would believe that fantasy needs the help of a real doctor. Interesting. I always address my excelent internist as Dr. Kerper. He always corrects me and says "It's Bob". His diploma from Yale is hanging right on the wall behind him the whole time. What's going on here? |
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I am beginning to wonder the same thing, is he so insecure about not being
able to find someone who would marry him, that he just made all of it up. He does have a history of fabricating tall tales. "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:C0ehc.167300$gA5.1956639@attbi_s03... Can you imagine a spouse who would call their spouse who was a doctor a paramedic? Yes, in the past their was a major stigma for anyone to admit to have a mental health problem, but that stigma covered all mental health providers. Those who buy into the stigma do not feel any better having a mental health problem or having to ask for help, if the provider is a doctor or a therapist. If you want to believe Harry's imaginary world, feel free. Anyone who really wanted to verify if Harry's wife is a doctor would be able to do a search of doctors in Maryland and see if their is a female doctor by the name of Krause whose specialty is psychiatry. I would not bother because I know it is a lie. The next claim will be his wife doesn't use his name for 'professional reasons' in reality, (if there is a wife), the reason would be to avoid embarrasment. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:Jndhc.167072$gA5.1956706@attbi_s03... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.8c82e894fe21988fd92179b5623c2386@108 2482793.nulluser.com... John Smith wrote: If she is performing her duties as a therapist, and is not performing her responsibility as a doctor, she doesn't need her licenses on the wall. These are mutally exclusive to you, eh, dunderhead? Nope, not to me, you are the one who stated she didn't want to be put on a pedestal and did not want to be considered a doctor, she wanted to be considered a therapist. I know many doctors who liked to be called by their first name, but I have never heard of a doctor who wants to be considered a therapist or anything less than he has study for. Anyone who would believe that fantasy needs the help of a real doctor. Interesting. I always address my excelent internist as Dr. Kerper. He always corrects me and says "It's Bob". His diploma from Yale is hanging right on the wall behind him the whole time. What's going on here? |
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Can you imagine anyone actually married to someone in the mental health
field, calling their spouses patients "losers". "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:C0ehc.167300$gA5.1956639@attbi_s03... Can you imagine a spouse who would call their spouse who was a doctor a paramedic? Yes, in the past their was a major stigma for anyone to admit to have a mental health problem, but that stigma covered all mental health providers. Those who buy into the stigma do not feel any better having a mental health problem or having to ask for help, if the provider is a doctor or a therapist. If you want to believe Harry's imaginary world, feel free. Anyone who really wanted to verify if Harry's wife is a doctor would be able to do a search of doctors in Maryland and see if their is a female doctor by the name of Krause whose specialty is psychiatry. I would not bother because I know it is a lie. The next claim will be his wife doesn't use his name for 'professional reasons' in reality, (if there is a wife), the reason would be to avoid embarrasment. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:Jndhc.167072$gA5.1956706@attbi_s03... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.8c82e894fe21988fd92179b5623c2386@108 2482793.nulluser.com... John Smith wrote: If she is performing her duties as a therapist, and is not performing her responsibility as a doctor, she doesn't need her licenses on the wall. These are mutally exclusive to you, eh, dunderhead? Nope, not to me, you are the one who stated she didn't want to be put on a pedestal and did not want to be considered a doctor, she wanted to be considered a therapist. I know many doctors who liked to be called by their first name, but I have never heard of a doctor who wants to be considered a therapist or anything less than he has study for. Anyone who would believe that fantasy needs the help of a real doctor. Interesting. I always address my excelent internist as Dr. Kerper. He always corrects me and says "It's Bob". His diploma from Yale is hanging right on the wall behind him the whole time. What's going on here? |
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Harry is a patient.......he hit the nail on the head
"John Smith" wrote in message news:szehc.35065$ru4.34382@attbi_s52... Can you imagine anyone actually married to someone in the mental health field, calling their spouses patients "losers". "P.Fritz" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:C0ehc.167300$gA5.1956639@attbi_s03... Can you imagine a spouse who would call their spouse who was a doctor a paramedic? Yes, in the past their was a major stigma for anyone to admit to have a mental health problem, but that stigma covered all mental health providers. Those who buy into the stigma do not feel any better having a mental health problem or having to ask for help, if the provider is a doctor or a therapist. If you want to believe Harry's imaginary world, feel free. Anyone who really wanted to verify if Harry's wife is a doctor would be able to do a search of doctors in Maryland and see if their is a female doctor by the name of Krause whose specialty is psychiatry. I would not bother because I know it is a lie. The next claim will be his wife doesn't use his name for 'professional reasons' in reality, (if there is a wife), the reason would be to avoid embarrasment. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:Jndhc.167072$gA5.1956706@attbi_s03... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.8c82e894fe21988fd92179b5623c2386@108 2482793.nulluser.com... John Smith wrote: If she is performing her duties as a therapist, and is not performing her responsibility as a doctor, she doesn't need her licenses on the wall. These are mutally exclusive to you, eh, dunderhead? Nope, not to me, you are the one who stated she didn't want to be put on a pedestal and did not want to be considered a doctor, she wanted to be considered a therapist. I know many doctors who liked to be called by their first name, but I have never heard of a doctor who wants to be considered a therapist or anything less than he has study for. Anyone who would believe that fantasy needs the help of a real doctor. Interesting. I always address my excelent internist as Dr. Kerper. He always corrects me and says "It's Bob". His diploma from Yale is hanging right on the wall behind him the whole time. What's going on here? |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:C0ehc.167300$gA5.1956639@attbi_s03... Can you imagine a spouse who would call their spouse who was a doctor a paramedic? Yes, in the past their was a major stigma for anyone to admit to have a mental health problem, but that stigma covered all mental health providers. Those who buy into the stigma do not feel any better having a mental health problem or having to ask for help, if the provider is a doctor or a therapist. If you want to believe Harry's imaginary world, feel free. Anyone who really wanted to verify if Harry's wife is a doctor would be able to do a search of doctors in Maryland and see if their is a female doctor by the name of Krause whose specialty is psychiatry. I would not bother because I know it is a lie. You know it's a lie....how? Your research methods fascinate me. If his wife was a psychiatrist, he would call her that. Being a psychotherapist does not require a Ph.D., and being a psychiatrist does require an MD. So at the most she has a doctorate in psychology. And reading all the other lies he states, I believe nada on the wife. |
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His alleged wife!
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:06:17 GMT, "John Smith" wrote: Harry, in response to another post, you said "Doubtful. My wife is a licensed psychotherapist. She deals with losers like you all day long." http://www.google.com/groups?q=my+wi...ls.com&rnum=55 Since a psychiatrist is the only mental health profession that is required to obtain a medical degree from a school of medicine or or osteopathy. While some psychiatrists will use psychotherapy in their practice, no psychiatrists would ever call themselves a licensed psychotherapist. It appears that your wife profession is as imaginary as your Lobster Boat. According to Mental Health Channel, a psychotherapist interacts with patients to initiate change in the patient's thoughts, feelings, and behavior through adaptation. Psychotherapists provide treatment in individual and group settings. A licensed psychotherapist obtains a master's degree or doctorate in a chosen mental health field, undergoes a supervised clinical residency, and is licensed, certified, or registered by a government or psychological agency to which they are accountable. Licensed professionals who practice psychotherapy include the following: a.. Psychiatrists b.. Registered psychiatric nurses c.. Clinical social workers d.. Marriage therapists e.. Family therapists f.. Clinical psychologists Drug and alcohol counselors, ordained priests, ministers, and rabbis may practice psychotherapy without a license. In some states, a person with a master's degree in education or psychology may also practice psychotherapy without a license. Types of Psychotherapy Psychotherapists use the following techniques to treat various psychological conditions and situations: a.. Behavioral therapy (e.g., cognitive behavioral therapy, motivational enhancement therapy, controlled exposure with response prevention) b.. Biofeedback c.. Interactive group therapy (e.g., family therapy) d.. Meditation e.. Relaxation training f.. Self-help groups g.. Psychodynamic therapy It looks like your wife is as imaginary as your lobster boat. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... basskisser wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... RICE: 'TOO GOOD TO PASS UP' WASHINGTON - The United States is bracing for possible terrorist attacks before the November presidential election, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said yesterday. Why is it you lefties, hate women, no respect. It was always Dr. Kissenger, not Henry, or Hank. But to you, it is Condi, Condoleezza, etc. Never Dr. Condoleezza Rice, or Dr. Rice. Bill Bush, and his cronies all call her Condi. Does that mean that THEY don't respect women, and hate them? Have you ever thought that maybe she PREFERS that moniker? Poor Calif Bill is confused, as usual. It is the custom to refer to medical practitioners who are doctors as "doctor," but not the custom to refer to those who have doctorates as "doctor," unless you're in an academic arena, or introducing an expert witness, or otherwise referring to that person in some special, qualified way. Ms. Rice is appropriate, Mr. Kissinger is appropriate, as is Dr. Rice or Dr. Kissinger. Interestlingly, both enjoyed or suffered popularization of their names, and Kissinger was assigned some unusual nicknames. Most of us called him Dr. Strangelove, after the movie character who was patterned after Henry himself. My wife is a doctor, and she's also a candidate for a doctorate. Her close colleagues have already nicknamed her "Doctor Doctor." At her insistence, most of her patients call her by her first name. She's not interested in maintaining that particular barrier. Incidentally, I have great respect for Ms. Rice's intellect and accomplishments, and I feel sad she sold her soul to the Republican devil, and apparently has no misgivings about her now-deceitful existence. But I feel sorriest for Colin Powell, an intellectually honest man who must be going through a hellish soul-searching every day because of the duplicity and stupidity of his boss. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message k.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:C0ehc.167300$gA5.1956639@attbi_s03... Can you imagine a spouse who would call their spouse who was a doctor a paramedic? Yes, in the past their was a major stigma for anyone to admit to have a mental health problem, but that stigma covered all mental health providers. Those who buy into the stigma do not feel any better having a mental health problem or having to ask for help, if the provider is a doctor or a therapist. If you want to believe Harry's imaginary world, feel free. Anyone who really wanted to verify if Harry's wife is a doctor would be able to do a search of doctors in Maryland and see if their is a female doctor by the name of Krause whose specialty is psychiatry. I would not bother because I know it is a lie. You know it's a lie....how? Your research methods fascinate me. If his wife was a psychiatrist, he would call her that. Being a psychotherapist does not require a Ph.D., and being a psychiatrist does require an MD. So at the most she has a doctorate in psychology. And reading all the other lies he states, I believe nada on the wife. I guess my internist's not an internist, because 99% of the time, I refer to him as a doctor, or just Bob. Incidentally, in the academic world, psychiatrists are referred to as psychotherapists, therapists, practitioners, and a host of other names. I guess it doesn't matter to people who know what they're talking about. |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:59:20 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:C0ehc.167300$gA5.1956639@attbi_s03... Can you imagine a spouse who would call their spouse who was a doctor a paramedic? Yes, in the past their was a major stigma for anyone to admit to have a mental health problem, but that stigma covered all mental health providers. Those who buy into the stigma do not feel any better having a mental health problem or having to ask for help, if the provider is a doctor or a therapist. If you want to believe Harry's imaginary world, feel free. Anyone who really wanted to verify if Harry's wife is a doctor would be able to do a search of doctors in Maryland and see if their is a female doctor by the name of Krause whose specialty is psychiatry. I would not bother because I know it is a lie. You know it's a lie....how? Your research methods fascinate me. If his wife was a psychiatrist, he would call her that. Being a psychotherapist does not require a Ph.D., and being a psychiatrist does require an MD. So at the most she has a doctorate in psychology. And reading all the other lies he states, I believe nada on the wife. *Alleged* wife! Be careful with your alleged facts! John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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Doug, you seem to know more than the people in the mental health profession:
Attacked are the differences between Psychologist and Psychiatrist. While you often have Psychologist who use the prefix Dr. to acknowledge their PHD, I don't believe you can find any Psychiatrist who would refer to themselves as a Psychologist, just as your internist would never refer to himself as a paramedic. The internet is full of info about Psychologist and Psychiatrist, can you show me one Psychiatrist who refers to themselves as a Psychologist? I know it hard to see your king cut down in his prime, but it is time to acknowledge that your king is not wearing any clothes. "Psychologists and Psychological Associates study the behavior, emotions, and thinking processes of humans to better understand their behavior. They are trained to assess, diagnose and treat mental disorders by using individual, child, family and group therapies. Psychologists may teach, conduct research, or serve as consultants or therapists. Psychological Associates generally work under the supervision of a Psychologist. Psychologists may specialize in a particular area. For example, clinical psychologists may work with physicians in counseling emotionally disturbed individuals, medical and surgical patients, and chronically ill patients. Counseling psychologists advise patients o*n how to cope with everyday issues and help to resolve personal problems. Examples of other areas of specialization include community psychology, developmental psychology and social psychology. Psychologists may also work with students in schools to evaluate academic skills, learning aptitudes, social skills, self-help skills, personality and emotional development. School psychologists determine eligibility for special service programs and work directly with students or families to help solve conflicts and problems related to learning and adjustment. They provide counseling, social skills training, behavior management, and other interventions to help families deal with difficult crises such as separation or loss. Psychologists also work in hospitals, correctional institutions, mental health clinics, private practices, public schools and universities, and with government agencies and tribal health organizations. " A psychiatrist is a physician who specializes in the diagnosis, treatment and prevention of mental illnesses and emotional problems. Because of extensive medical training, the psychiatrist understands the body's functions and the complex relationship between emotional illness and other medical illnesses. The psychiatrist is thus the mental health professional and physician best qualified to distinguish between physical and psychological causes of both mental and physical distress. "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message k.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:C0ehc.167300$gA5.1956639@attbi_s03... Can you imagine a spouse who would call their spouse who was a doctor a paramedic? Yes, in the past their was a major stigma for anyone to admit to have a mental health problem, but that stigma covered all mental health providers. Those who buy into the stigma do not feel any better having a mental health problem or having to ask for help, if the provider is a doctor or a therapist. If you want to believe Harry's imaginary world, feel free. Anyone who really wanted to verify if Harry's wife is a doctor would be able to do a search of doctors in Maryland and see if their is a female doctor by the name of Krause whose specialty is psychiatry. I would not bother because I know it is a lie. You know it's a lie....how? Your research methods fascinate me. If his wife was a psychiatrist, he would call her that. Being a psychotherapist does not require a Ph.D., and being a psychiatrist does require an MD. So at the most she has a doctorate in psychology. And reading all the other lies he states, I believe nada on the wife. I guess my internist's not an internist, because 99% of the time, I refer to him as a doctor, or just Bob. Incidentally, in the academic world, psychiatrists are referred to as psychotherapists, therapists, practitioners, and a host of other names. I guess it doesn't matter to people who know what they're talking about. |
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"John Smith" wrote in message news:Jndhc.167072$gA5.1956706@attbi_s03... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.8c82e894fe21988fd92179b5623c2386@108 2482793.nulluser.com... John Smith wrote: If she is performing her duties as a therapist, and is not performing her responsibility as a doctor, she doesn't need her licenses on the wall. These are mutally exclusive to you, eh, dunderhead? Nope, not to me, you are the one who stated she didn't want to be put on a pedestal and did not want to be considered a doctor, she wanted to be considered a therapist. I know many doctors who liked to be called by their first name, but I have never heard of a doctor who wants to be considered a therapist or anything less than he has study for. Anyone who would believe that fantasy needs the help of a real doctor. Tell us about your lobster boat. You nailed him John. His MO when cornered is resorting to insults, as he just did in his last response to you. LMAO!! This Harry clown is as funny as 'asskisser, but a bit more pathetic. |
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That is a bad reference to use here... I once had a computer tech working
for me that claimed to be a Paramedic.... Turned out he was a paramedic. "John Smith" wrote in message news:phghc.167900$gA5.1962298@attbi_s03... just as your internist would never refer to himself as a paramedic. |
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That is a bad reference, if you had a someone with a engineering degree in
Computer Science, and was designing systems and he called himself a computer tech, that would be a similar analogy. It is time to acknowledge that your king is not wearing any clothes, and the worst part he is old, obese and ugly. wrote in message ink.net... That is a bad reference to use here... I once had a computer tech working for me that claimed to be a Paramedic.... Turned out he was a paramedic. "John Smith" wrote in message news:phghc.167900$gA5.1962298@attbi_s03... just as your internist would never refer to himself as a paramedic. |
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No John
Fact is a person does have the ability to be skilled and trained in more than one field. Whether the fields are related or not isn't a matter of contention. "John Smith" wrote in message news:Yyghc.179606$JO3.103116@attbi_s04... That is a bad reference, if you had a someone with a engineering degree in Computer Science, and was designing systems and he called himself a computer tech, that would be a similar analogy. It is time to acknowledge that your king is not wearing any clothes, and the worst part he is old, obese and ugly. wrote in message ink.net... That is a bad reference to use here... I once had a computer tech working for me that claimed to be a Paramedic.... Turned out he was a paramedic. "John Smith" wrote in message news:phghc.167900$gA5.1962298@attbi_s03... just as your internist would never refer to himself as a paramedic. |
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In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:
I just can't seem to find the word "Dr." And if you laid off of the weed then you might have closed your above sentence with the appropriate punctuation mark. But being the intellectual and the educated person that you are, you knew that already didn't you? You really ought to lay off the bottle before you touch the keyboard. Pothead. |
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Funny, even the White House Web Site doesn't use Dr. when mentioning Henry
Kissinger in the Nixon Biography. http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/rn37.html Some of his most acclaimed achievements came in his quest for world stability. During visits in 1972 to Beijing and Moscow, he reduced tensions with China and the U.S.S.R. His summit meetings with Russian leader Leonid I. Brezhnev produced a treaty to limit strategic nuclear weapons. In January 1973, he announced an accord with North Viet Nam to end American involvement in Indochina. In 1974, his Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, negotiated disengagement agreements between Israel and its opponents, Egypt and Syria. Nor on this page: http://www.whitehouse.gov/fellows/ne...2003_main.html Continuing our affiliation with the American Academy of Achievement. The Fellows have been invited again to attend the International Achievement Summit to be held in Washington, DC in May 2003. Last year at this Summit, the Fellows met with Hamid Karzai, Henry Kissinger, Mikhail Gorbachev, Sam Donaldson, Bill Clinton, Chris Matthews, and many others. Nor did VP Cheney in this speach http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea.../20020826.html As former Secretary of State Kissinger recently stated: "The imminence of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, the huge dangers it involves, the rejection of a viable inspection system, and the demonstrated hostility of Saddam Hussein combine to produce an imperative for preemptive action." If the United States could have preempted 9/11, we would have, no question. Should we be able to prevent another, much more devastating attack, we will, no question. This nation will not live at the mercy of terrorists or terror regimes. (Applause.) Looks like the Dr. is not a common thing even amoung the Republicans "Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message .net... In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote: I just can't seem to find the word "Dr." And if you laid off of the weed then you might have closed your above sentence with the appropriate punctuation mark. But being the intellectual and the educated person that you are, you knew that already didn't you? You really ought to lay off the bottle before you touch the keyboard. Pothead. |
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message k.net... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:C0ehc.167300$gA5.1956639@attbi_s03... Can you imagine a spouse who would call their spouse who was a doctor a paramedic? Yes, in the past their was a major stigma for anyone to admit to have a mental health problem, but that stigma covered all mental health providers. Those who buy into the stigma do not feel any better having a mental health problem or having to ask for help, if the provider is a doctor or a therapist. If you want to believe Harry's imaginary world, feel free. Anyone who really wanted to verify if Harry's wife is a doctor would be able to do a search of doctors in Maryland and see if their is a female doctor by the name of Krause whose specialty is psychiatry. I would not bother because I know it is a lie. You know it's a lie....how? Your research methods fascinate me. If his wife was a psychiatrist, he would call her that. Being a psychotherapist does not require a Ph.D., and being a psychiatrist does require an MD. So at the most she has a doctorate in psychology. And reading all the other lies he states, I believe nada on the wife. I guess my internist's not an internist, because 99% of the time, I refer to him as a doctor, or just Bob. Incidentally, in the academic world, psychiatrists are referred to as psychotherapists, therapists, practitioners, and a host of other names. I guess it doesn't matter to people who know what they're talking about. Just FYI, and to further the actual knowledge base a little, the number of psychologists who actually have a therapy practice is diminishing. More and more, those psychologists who are "practicing" are doing it as designers and facilitators of psychological tests. Patients who seek help in a progressive hospital setting usually are treated by a treament team. In most cases, the psychiatrist-physician conducts an initial exam, then prescribes meds, and then meets occasionally with the patient but mostly with the treatment team. On that team typically is an LCSW who leads the therapy, psych nurses who also provide therapy, psych techs, who keep an eye on the patients and get them from once place another, occupational therapists and other consulting therapist who try to put Humpty Dumpty back together again, A private therapy setting is different. Usually, the psychiatrist, working with licensed folk, provides the therapy, and the latter usually work with family members, and family issues. But there really are no rules on how a practice should be run, other than the legal and ethical issues. |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:25:12 GMT, "John Smith" wrote:
That is a bad reference, if you had a someone with a engineering degree in Computer Science, and was designing systems and he called himself a computer tech, that would be a similar analogy. It is time to acknowledge that your king is not wearing any clothes, and the worst part he is old, obese and ugly. wrote in message link.net... That is a bad reference to use here... I once had a computer tech working for me that claimed to be a Paramedic.... Turned out he was a paramedic. "John Smith" wrote in message news:phghc.167900$gA5.1962298@attbi_s03... just as your internist would never refer to himself as a paramedic. John, I think we have another b'asskisser in our midst. You'd better quit feeding him. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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John H wrote:
His alleged wife! On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:06:17 GMT, "John Smith" wrote: I see you continue in your role as asswiper to the right. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message news:C0ehc.167300$gA5.1956639@attbi_s03... Can you imagine a spouse who would call their spouse who was a doctor a paramedic? Yes, in the past their was a major stigma for anyone to admit to have a mental health problem, but that stigma covered all mental health providers. Those who buy into the stigma do not feel any better having a mental health problem or having to ask for help, if the provider is a doctor or a therapist. If you want to believe Harry's imaginary world, feel free. Anyone who really wanted to verify if Harry's wife is a doctor would be able to do a search of doctors in Maryland and see if their is a female doctor by the name of Krause whose specialty is psychiatry. I would not bother because I know it is a lie. You know it's a lie....how? Your research methods fascinate me. If his wife was a psychiatrist, he would call her that. Being a psychotherapist does not require a Ph.D., and being a psychiatrist does require an MD. So at the most she has a doctorate in psychology. And reading all the other lies he states, I believe nada on the wife. I call my wife sweetie. Lies? Oh, you mean my consistent refusal to play ball with the right-wing trash. I got it. |
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I think you are onto something, both of them post are from Atlanta,
Basskisser uses Yahoo to make his posts and makes his posts via EarthLink in Atlanta. It would be hard to imagine two different people in Atlanta being that dumb. "John H" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:25:12 GMT, "John Smith" wrote: That is a bad reference, if you had a someone with a engineering degree in Computer Science, and was designing systems and he called himself a computer tech, that would be a similar analogy. It is time to acknowledge that your king is not wearing any clothes, and the worst part he is old, obese and ugly. wrote in message link.net... That is a bad reference to use here... I once had a computer tech working for me that claimed to be a Paramedic.... Turned out he was a paramedic. "John Smith" wrote in message news:phghc.167900$gA5.1962298@attbi_s03... just as your internist would never refer to himself as a paramedic. John, I think we have another b'asskisser in our midst. You'd better quit feeding him. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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