"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Spain Pulls Troops from Iraq, 10 U.S. Troops Killed
Sun Apr 18, 2004 06:20 PM ET

By Andrew Marshall

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Spain said Sunday it would withdraw its 1,400 troops
in Iraq as soon as possible, dealing a major blow to the U.S.-led
coalition as 10 U.S. soldiers were killed in fierce fighting against
guerrillas.


Socialist pussies! They are cowering in fear and the Muslims will soon be
using Spain as a launching pad for terrorist attacks in the rest of Europe.

Bert Robbins wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Spain Pulls Troops from Iraq, 10 U.S. Troops Killed
Sun Apr 18, 2004 06:20 PM ET

By Andrew Marshall

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Spain said Sunday it would withdraw its 1,400 troops
in Iraq as soon as possible, dealing a major blow to the U.S.-led
coalition as 10 U.S. soldiers were killed in fierce fighting against
guerrillas.



Socialist pussies! They are cowering in fear and the Muslims will soon be
using Spain as a launching pad for terrorist attacks in the rest of Europe.



Spain merely is the first.

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:35:09 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


Spain merely is the first.

Maybe:

http://www.herald-sun.com/nationworld/14-471063.html

Politically neutral, historical observation:

Spain is a special case.
The culture and language is a blend of
Roman and Moorish influences.
Their southern neighbors are muslims.

Spain has a tragic history that includes incidents where social, religious, and
cultural changes were forced upon the vanquished by the victors. The classic
example is the expulsion of 1492, when the successful military alliance of
Aragon and Castile drove the Muslim armies from
southern Spain. Following the war, Spain became a "Catholic" country. This was
not accomplished by missionaries proselytizing the community, but by declaring
gypsies, Jews, and Muslims enemies of the state. Tens of thousands
fled the country, forfeiting all property to
Ferdinand and Isabella. Untold thousands more were publicly executed, some by
crucifixion and others by immolation.
All those (except gypsies) who would not flee and who wanted to avoid execution
were allowed to renounce their religion
and embrace Catholicism. It was at this time that the all powerful "Spanish
Inquisition" began....a prototype for religious fascism and abused, dictatorial
powers.

As this is a non-partisan post, I'll allow anybody reading this thread to draw
whatever conclusion they might to choose to draw between Spanish history,
current events in Iraq, and Spain's announced withdrawl from the theater. I do
have a personal opinon, but offering it here would make this a partisan, rather
than a non-partisan message.

Americans look back ot our own history and many evoke heroic images of Iwo
Jima, San Juan Hill, The Alamo, and Lexington/Concord as we debate the pros and
cons of a war. Other nations most assuredly do the same.

Failure to appreciate the historial context from which any nation enters a war
is a failure to understand the enemy, (a most serious problem), or a failure to
understand an ally, (and that can have serious, unexpected consequences as
well). We cannot assume that our allies "adopt" American historical
perspectives when they rally to an American cause.

See Harry,,,, you terrorist buddies won. Just like your union membership
brotherhood buddies at the factories. You union slobs always held guns to
the owners heads and sometimes you won. Now because of your years of union
abuse,, the job migration is the result and we are losing jobs very
noticeably very quick.
Same as these terrorists,, they won if Spain pulls troops. How can you glory
in this Harry, how does this type of business make your day? This means more
lives lost, you know that Harry,, what you are rooting for results in more
net lives lost. You are actually a sick person for showing your opposition
for the coalition forces life saving mission and you certainly are sick for
showing your support for terrorism, but being a union member (not an
honorable one) this must come naturally. O ya,, your not an honorable union
member because of all the back stabbing you have done like buy offshore
motors, boats, products, etc, etc, which you have stated in the past, just
thought I would point it out as I know your not too smart to pick it up....
spoon feed you,,,, just like your accustomed to from your whole life. And
that is a true statement, do you know that you have never had to do an
honest days work in your whole life? Being on that union you keep stabbing
in the back,, assures you of never having to do an honest hard days work in
your life. The taxpayers have had to pick up your slack harry,,, you are
most dishonorable.

GYHAS,,,,,,,













"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Spain Pulls Troops from Iraq, 10 U.S. Troops Killed
Sun Apr 18, 2004 06:20 PM ET

By Andrew Marshall

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Spain said Sunday it would withdraw its 1,400 troops
in Iraq as soon as possible, dealing a major blow to the U.S.-led
coalition as 10 U.S. soldiers were killed in fierce fighting against
guerrillas.

President Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, said the
United States expected other countries with troops in Iraq to reassess
their position after Spain's decision.

"We know that there are others who are going to have to assess how they
see the risk," Rice told ABC television. "We have 34 countries with
forces on the ground. I think there are going to be some changes."

Spain, which has the sixth largest number of troops in the coalition,
announced its decision amid Iraq's bloodiest period since Saddam
Hussein's fall and as the U.S. combat death toll topped 500 since the
war to oust him began in March last year.

Spain's new Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said he issued
the pullout order because he did not expect a U.N. resolution to be
adopted "that conforms with the conditions we have set for our presence
in Iraq."

ZAPATERO PLEDGE

Zapatero's Socialists had pledged before winning a March general
election to withdraw Spain's troops unless the United Nations took
control of security arrangements in Iraq on June 30 when Washington
plans to hand over power to Iraqis.

"This morning...I gave (the defense minister) the order to do what was
necessary for the Spanish troops stationed in Iraq to come home in the
shortest possible time and in the greatest possible safety," Zapatero
said on Spanish television.

Spaniards, who largely opposed the U.S.-led war that ousted Saddam,
swept Jose Maria Aznar's pro-U.S. Popular Party from power in a poll
held in the shadow of suspected al Qaeda-linked train bombings in Madrid
that killed 191 people.

A purported al Qaeda video tape said the March 11 bombings were
retaliation for Spain's military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan.

White House spokesman Ken Lisaius said Washington wanted the Spanish
withdrawal to be made in a "coordinated, responsible and orderly manner"
but offered no comment on Madrid's decision.

The Spanish troops, part of a Polish-led multinational force responsible
for a swathe of central and southern Iraq, have come under sporadic
attack and several have been wounded.

At least 10 Spanish military personnel have been killed in Iraq since
last August.

Five of the 10 latest U.S. combat deaths were Marines who were killed in
bloody clashes against scores of heavily armed guerrillas near the
Syrian border, the U.S. military said.

HEAVY DEATH TOLL

Ninety-nine U.S. soldiers have been killed this month -- more than the
number of U.S. combat deaths in the three-week war that toppled Saddam.

The heaviest fighting at the weekend was in Qusayba on the Syrian border
where the U.S. military said 25 to 30 guerrillas had also been killed.

"A day-long series of firefights began...when a Marine patrol reported
they were under fire by enemy forces wielding machineguns and
rocket-propelled grenades," the 1st Marine Division said in a statement.

"Marines continued to bring coordinated fire against the enemy force of
approximately 120 to 150 fighters throughout the day and into the night."

The Marines said women and children had surrounded guerrilla mortar
positions during the fighting, apparently as human shields. "It is
unknown whether or not they were in those positions on their own free
will," the statement said.

General Richard Myers, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, told
CNN guerrillas in the Sunni bastion of Falluja, 50 km (32 miles) west of
Baghdad, had also used human shields.

U.S.-led forces, who have battled for months to stamp out Sunni
guerrilla attacks, have faced a new front this month because of a
Shi'ite uprising in southern Iraq led by rebel cleric Moqtada al-Sadr.

IRAQI ANGER

The number of civilians killed this month -- reported by doctors to be
in the hundreds -- has angered many Iraqis and triggered kidnappings of
foreign civilians from more than a dozen countries.

Talks are going on to bolster a shaky truce in Falluja and to prevent
violence in Najaf, a holy city to Iraq's Shi'ite majority, where Sadr is
holed up and protected by his militia.

Iraqis have warned that if U.S. troops enter Najaf it would further
inflame violence.

Sadr's spokesman Qays al-Khazali told a news conference the cleric's
Mehdi Army militia would halt military operations in and around Najaf
during commemorations Monday and Tuesday for the anniversary of the
Prophet Mohammad's death.

About 2,500 U.S. troops have been poised on the outskirts of Najaf for
several days, with orders to kill or capture Sadr.

U.S. officials demand that the cleric disarm his Mehdi Army and turn
himself in to stand trial in an Iraqi court for the murder last year of
a moderate Shi'ite cleric in Najaf.

Falluja, a bastion of Sunni guerrillas, enjoyed a second day of calm,
but five civilians were killed overnight as they fled U.S. shelling in
the nearby town of Karma, witnesses said.

U.S. Marines launched a crackdown in Falluja after the killing and
public mutilation of four American private security guards ambushed on
March 31.

Guerrillas have seized about 50 foreigners this month. Most have been
freed, but the captors of four Italians killed one and threatened to
kill the rest unless Italian troops leave Iraq.

A U.S. soldier has also been abducted and paraded in footage shown on
Arab satellite networks.

The climate of insecurity has prompted the U.S. military to indefinitely
close highways leading north, west and south of Baghdad in a new blow to
reconstruction and economic life.

Ohhhhh,,,, so you all now are receiving glory in the fact that some
countries pull out their people from Iraq,,,, Nice guys you are. End result
from that means more Iraqi lives lost. You morons are racists, you support
those who believe Iraqi lives hold less value than others. What you glory in
results in more net lives lost. Horrible thing for a human being to wish
for.
I guess coming from a union member's mentality,,,, it doesn't surprise me.
It is you and only you that you think of... Look at Harry for example,,,
union member of the brotherhood of slobs, he honored them his whole career,
benefited personally from them, and enormous benefit and he turns around and
stabs them in the back by purchasing his products for consumption offshore.
He bought his boat from non U.S. manufactures and his motor and he prides
himself in doing this. Nice guy you are harry,,,, I am sure you have lots of
friends,,,, (with knives sticking out of their backs),,,,,,,


No wonder you want Iraqis to die,,, more oil for you,,










"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:35:09 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


Spain merely is the first.

Maybe:

http://www.herald-sun.com/nationworld/14-471063.html

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Politically neutral, historical observation:

Spain is a special case.
The culture and language is a blend of
Roman and Moorish influences.
Their southern neighbors are muslims.

Spain has a tragic history that includes incidents where social,
religious, and
cultural changes were forced upon the vanquished by the victors. The
classic
example is the expulsion of 1492, when the successful military alliance of
Aragon and Castile drove the Muslim armies from
southern Spain. Following the war, Spain became a "Catholic" country. This
was
not accomplished by missionaries proselytizing the community, but by
declaring
gypsies, Jews, and Muslims enemies of the state. Tens of thousands
fled the country, forfeiting all property to
Ferdinand and Isabella. Untold thousands more were publicly executed, some
by
crucifixion and others by immolation.
All those (except gypsies) who would not flee and who wanted to avoid
execution
were allowed to renounce their religion
and embrace Catholicism. It was at this time that the all powerful
"Spanish
Inquisition" began....a prototype for religious fascism and abused,
dictatorial
powers.



You left out a little history. The Muslim armies conquered Spain a few
years before, imposing there religion on Spain. Same as they did in most of
the Muslim countries. "Convert or die". Is the reason the Mohammedism
(before 1950, what Muslim was known as) was/is the fastest spreading
religion in history. Seems as if we are coming ful circle. When will they
convert to muslim to prevent more terrorist attacks?

Anyone else want to chip in and help buy Tuuk a 3rd class seat to Iraq?

In article , gould0738
@aol.com says...
Politically neutral, historical observation:

Spain is a special case.
The culture and language is a blend of
Roman and Moorish influences.
Their southern neighbors are muslims.

....snip...

Failure to appreciate the historial context from which any nation enters a war
is a failure to understand the enemy, (a most serious problem), or a failure to
understand an ally, (and that can have serious, unexpected consequences as
well). We cannot assume that our allies "adopt" American historical
perspectives when they rally to an American cause.

How in G-d's name can we expect our fearless leader, hater of the
educated, to understand the context of Spain's history?

George is country. Yer either fer him er agin him.

jps

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Anyone else want to chip in and help buy Tuuk a 3rd class seat to Iraq?




I will send you a first class seat Don. And I don't need others to help me
pay for it. LOL!