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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Spain Pulls Troops from Iraq, 10 U.S. Troops Killed Sun Apr 18, 2004 06:20 PM ET By Andrew Marshall BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Spain said Sunday it would withdraw its 1,400 troops in Iraq as soon as possible, dealing a major blow to the U.S.-led coalition as 10 U.S. soldiers were killed in fierce fighting against guerrillas. Socialist pussies! They are cowering in fear and the Muslims will soon be using Spain as a launching pad for terrorist attacks in the rest of Europe. |
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Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Spain Pulls Troops from Iraq, 10 U.S. Troops Killed Sun Apr 18, 2004 06:20 PM ET By Andrew Marshall BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Spain said Sunday it would withdraw its 1,400 troops in Iraq as soon as possible, dealing a major blow to the U.S.-led coalition as 10 U.S. soldiers were killed in fierce fighting against guerrillas. Socialist pussies! They are cowering in fear and the Muslims will soon be using Spain as a launching pad for terrorist attacks in the rest of Europe. Spain merely is the first. |
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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:35:09 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:
Spain merely is the first. Maybe: http://www.herald-sun.com/nationworld/14-471063.html |
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Politically neutral, historical observation:
Spain is a special case. The culture and language is a blend of Roman and Moorish influences. Their southern neighbors are muslims. Spain has a tragic history that includes incidents where social, religious, and cultural changes were forced upon the vanquished by the victors. The classic example is the expulsion of 1492, when the successful military alliance of Aragon and Castile drove the Muslim armies from southern Spain. Following the war, Spain became a "Catholic" country. This was not accomplished by missionaries proselytizing the community, but by declaring gypsies, Jews, and Muslims enemies of the state. Tens of thousands fled the country, forfeiting all property to Ferdinand and Isabella. Untold thousands more were publicly executed, some by crucifixion and others by immolation. All those (except gypsies) who would not flee and who wanted to avoid execution were allowed to renounce their religion and embrace Catholicism. It was at this time that the all powerful "Spanish Inquisition" began....a prototype for religious fascism and abused, dictatorial powers. As this is a non-partisan post, I'll allow anybody reading this thread to draw whatever conclusion they might to choose to draw between Spanish history, current events in Iraq, and Spain's announced withdrawl from the theater. I do have a personal opinon, but offering it here would make this a partisan, rather than a non-partisan message. Americans look back ot our own history and many evoke heroic images of Iwo Jima, San Juan Hill, The Alamo, and Lexington/Concord as we debate the pros and cons of a war. Other nations most assuredly do the same. Failure to appreciate the historial context from which any nation enters a war is a failure to understand the enemy, (a most serious problem), or a failure to understand an ally, (and that can have serious, unexpected consequences as well). We cannot assume that our allies "adopt" American historical perspectives when they rally to an American cause. |
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See Harry,,,, you terrorist buddies won. Just like your union membership
brotherhood buddies at the factories. You union slobs always held guns to the owners heads and sometimes you won. Now because of your years of union abuse,, the job migration is the result and we are losing jobs very noticeably very quick. Same as these terrorists,, they won if Spain pulls troops. How can you glory in this Harry, how does this type of business make your day? This means more lives lost, you know that Harry,, what you are rooting for results in more net lives lost. You are actually a sick person for showing your opposition for the coalition forces life saving mission and you certainly are sick for showing your support for terrorism, but being a union member (not an honorable one) this must come naturally. O ya,, your not an honorable union member because of all the back stabbing you have done like buy offshore motors, boats, products, etc, etc, which you have stated in the past, just thought I would point it out as I know your not too smart to pick it up.... spoon feed you,,,, just like your accustomed to from your whole life. And that is a true statement, do you know that you have never had to do an honest days work in your whole life? Being on that union you keep stabbing in the back,, assures you of never having to do an honest hard days work in your life. The taxpayers have had to pick up your slack harry,,, you are most dishonorable. GYHAS,,,,,,, "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Spain Pulls Troops from Iraq, 10 U.S. Troops Killed Sun Apr 18, 2004 06:20 PM ET By Andrew Marshall BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Spain said Sunday it would withdraw its 1,400 troops in Iraq as soon as possible, dealing a major blow to the U.S.-led coalition as 10 U.S. soldiers were killed in fierce fighting against guerrillas. President Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, said the United States expected other countries with troops in Iraq to reassess their position after Spain's decision. "We know that there are others who are going to have to assess how they see the risk," Rice told ABC television. "We have 34 countries with forces on the ground. I think there are going to be some changes." Spain, which has the sixth largest number of troops in the coalition, announced its decision amid Iraq's bloodiest period since Saddam Hussein's fall and as the U.S. combat death toll topped 500 since the war to oust him began in March last year. Spain's new Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said he issued the pullout order because he did not expect a U.N. resolution to be adopted "that conforms with the conditions we have set for our presence in Iraq." ZAPATERO PLEDGE Zapatero's Socialists had pledged before winning a March general election to withdraw Spain's troops unless the United Nations took control of security arrangements in Iraq on June 30 when Washington plans to hand over power to Iraqis. "This morning...I gave (the defense minister) the order to do what was necessary for the Spanish troops stationed in Iraq to come home in the shortest possible time and in the greatest possible safety," Zapatero said on Spanish television. Spaniards, who largely opposed the U.S.-led war that ousted Saddam, swept Jose Maria Aznar's pro-U.S. Popular Party from power in a poll held in the shadow of suspected al Qaeda-linked train bombings in Madrid that killed 191 people. A purported al Qaeda video tape said the March 11 bombings were retaliation for Spain's military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan. White House spokesman Ken Lisaius said Washington wanted the Spanish withdrawal to be made in a "coordinated, responsible and orderly manner" but offered no comment on Madrid's decision. The Spanish troops, part of a Polish-led multinational force responsible for a swathe of central and southern Iraq, have come under sporadic attack and several have been wounded. At least 10 Spanish military personnel have been killed in Iraq since last August. Five of the 10 latest U.S. combat deaths were Marines who were killed in bloody clashes against scores of heavily armed guerrillas near the Syrian border, the U.S. military said. HEAVY DEATH TOLL Ninety-nine U.S. soldiers have been killed this month -- more than the number of U.S. combat deaths in the three-week war that toppled Saddam. The heaviest fighting at the weekend was in Qusayba on the Syrian border where the U.S. military said 25 to 30 guerrillas had also been killed. "A day-long series of firefights began...when a Marine patrol reported they were under fire by enemy forces wielding machineguns and rocket-propelled grenades," the 1st Marine Division said in a statement. "Marines continued to bring coordinated fire against the enemy force of approximately 120 to 150 fighters throughout the day and into the night." The Marines said women and children had surrounded guerrilla mortar positions during the fighting, apparently as human shields. "It is unknown whether or not they were in those positions on their own free will," the statement said. General Richard Myers, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, told CNN guerrillas in the Sunni bastion of Falluja, 50 km (32 miles) west of Baghdad, had also used human shields. U.S.-led forces, who have battled for months to stamp out Sunni guerrilla attacks, have faced a new front this month because of a Shi'ite uprising in southern Iraq led by rebel cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. IRAQI ANGER The number of civilians killed this month -- reported by doctors to be in the hundreds -- has angered many Iraqis and triggered kidnappings of foreign civilians from more than a dozen countries. Talks are going on to bolster a shaky truce in Falluja and to prevent violence in Najaf, a holy city to Iraq's Shi'ite majority, where Sadr is holed up and protected by his militia. Iraqis have warned that if U.S. troops enter Najaf it would further inflame violence. Sadr's spokesman Qays al-Khazali told a news conference the cleric's Mehdi Army militia would halt military operations in and around Najaf during commemorations Monday and Tuesday for the anniversary of the Prophet Mohammad's death. About 2,500 U.S. troops have been poised on the outskirts of Najaf for several days, with orders to kill or capture Sadr. U.S. officials demand that the cleric disarm his Mehdi Army and turn himself in to stand trial in an Iraqi court for the murder last year of a moderate Shi'ite cleric in Najaf. Falluja, a bastion of Sunni guerrillas, enjoyed a second day of calm, but five civilians were killed overnight as they fled U.S. shelling in the nearby town of Karma, witnesses said. U.S. Marines launched a crackdown in Falluja after the killing and public mutilation of four American private security guards ambushed on March 31. Guerrillas have seized about 50 foreigners this month. Most have been freed, but the captors of four Italians killed one and threatened to kill the rest unless Italian troops leave Iraq. A U.S. soldier has also been abducted and paraded in footage shown on Arab satellite networks. The climate of insecurity has prompted the U.S. military to indefinitely close highways leading north, west and south of Baghdad in a new blow to reconstruction and economic life. |
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Ohhhhh,,,, so you all now are receiving glory in the fact that some
countries pull out their people from Iraq,,,, Nice guys you are. End result from that means more Iraqi lives lost. You morons are racists, you support those who believe Iraqi lives hold less value than others. What you glory in results in more net lives lost. Horrible thing for a human being to wish for. I guess coming from a union member's mentality,,,, it doesn't surprise me. It is you and only you that you think of... Look at Harry for example,,, union member of the brotherhood of slobs, he honored them his whole career, benefited personally from them, and enormous benefit and he turns around and stabs them in the back by purchasing his products for consumption offshore. He bought his boat from non U.S. manufactures and his motor and he prides himself in doing this. Nice guy you are harry,,,, I am sure you have lots of friends,,,, (with knives sticking out of their backs),,,,,,, No wonder you want Iraqis to die,,, more oil for you,, "thunder" wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:35:09 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: Spain merely is the first. Maybe: http://www.herald-sun.com/nationworld/14-471063.html |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Politically neutral, historical observation: Spain is a special case. The culture and language is a blend of Roman and Moorish influences. Their southern neighbors are muslims. Spain has a tragic history that includes incidents where social, religious, and cultural changes were forced upon the vanquished by the victors. The classic example is the expulsion of 1492, when the successful military alliance of Aragon and Castile drove the Muslim armies from southern Spain. Following the war, Spain became a "Catholic" country. This was not accomplished by missionaries proselytizing the community, but by declaring gypsies, Jews, and Muslims enemies of the state. Tens of thousands fled the country, forfeiting all property to Ferdinand and Isabella. Untold thousands more were publicly executed, some by crucifixion and others by immolation. All those (except gypsies) who would not flee and who wanted to avoid execution were allowed to renounce their religion and embrace Catholicism. It was at this time that the all powerful "Spanish Inquisition" began....a prototype for religious fascism and abused, dictatorial powers. You left out a little history. The Muslim armies conquered Spain a few years before, imposing there religion on Spain. Same as they did in most of the Muslim countries. "Convert or die". Is the reason the Mohammedism (before 1950, what Muslim was known as) was/is the fastest spreading religion in history. Seems as if we are coming ful circle. When will they convert to muslim to prevent more terrorist attacks? |
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@aol.com says... Politically neutral, historical observation: Spain is a special case. The culture and language is a blend of Roman and Moorish influences. Their southern neighbors are muslims. ....snip... Failure to appreciate the historial context from which any nation enters a war is a failure to understand the enemy, (a most serious problem), or a failure to understand an ally, (and that can have serious, unexpected consequences as well). We cannot assume that our allies "adopt" American historical perspectives when they rally to an American cause. How in G-d's name can we expect our fearless leader, hater of the educated, to understand the context of Spain's history? George is country. Yer either fer him er agin him. jps |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Anyone else want to chip in and help buy Tuuk a 3rd class seat to Iraq? I will send you a first class seat Don. And I don't need others to help me pay for it. LOL! |
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You left out a little history. The Muslim armies conquered Spain a few
years before, imposing there religion on Spain. So true, although there really wasn't a "Spain" as we know it today when the Moors invaded. Also left out the Spanish missions to the Western Hemisphere, etc etc. The Iberian Peninsula has indeed been the victim of forced religious, political, and philosophical conversions as well as the perpetrator. My point being; Spain may have greater reason to be wary of wars that are religious (or could be construed as religious) in nature. While the Alliance does not characterize the war as "religious," the rabble rousers on other side do. There is no doubt that Spaniards are far more familiar with Islamic culture and tradition than most residents of the United States, if for no other reasons than a long cultural history rich in Moorish influence and Northern Africa so incredibly close by. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Anyone else want to chip in and help buy Tuuk a 3rd class seat to Iraq? Whay are you afraid to go there yourself to protect your own freedom? |
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Spain Pulls Troops from Iraq, 10 U.S. Troops Killed Sun Apr 18, 2004 06:20 PM ET By Andrew Marshall BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Spain said Sunday it would withdraw its 1,400 troops in Iraq as soon as possible, dealing a major blow to the U.S.-led coalition as 10 U.S. soldiers were killed in fierce fighting against guerrillas. Socialist pussies! They are cowering in fear and the Muslims will soon be using Spain as a launching pad for terrorist attacks in the rest of Europe. Another day in rec.boats. I see 25 threads at a time with Google groups. Today 21 of the first 25 are all off-topic. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Anyone else want to chip in and help buy Tuuk a 3rd class seat to Iraq? Whay are you afraid to go there yourself to protect your own freedom? What a crock of crap. You're really working hard to buy into the Bush bull****, Bertie. Bought into it? I'm selling it? Are you interested in buying. I can get you a change of party affiliation card real quick! When do you think Prince Bandar will lower oil prices to help his buddy Bush? I think that the Saudi's are about to be in a world of hurt. We are on our way to getting completely out of the Kingdom and when we do, the radical wahabists might just have a good old fashioned muslim theocratic revolution. |
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Bert Robbins wrote in message ... Whay are you afraid to go there yourself to protect your own freedom? There's two or three war mongering Americans in this newsgroup that worry me more than Iqaq. I'd better stay home. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote in message ... Whay are you afraid to go there yourself to protect your own freedom? There's two or three war mongering Americans in this newsgroup that worry me more than Iqaq. I'd better stay home. They are men, where you are a pussy hiding behind your mama's skirt. You believe it is safe behind the skirt and you hope the bad terrorists will leave you alone if you keep your a low profile. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... You left out a little history. The Muslim armies conquered Spain a few years before, imposing there religion on Spain. So true, although there really wasn't a "Spain" as we know it today when the Moors invaded. Also left out the Spanish missions to the Western Hemisphere, etc etc. The Iberian Peninsula has indeed been the victim of forced religious, political, and philosophical conversions as well as the perpetrator. My point being; Spain may have greater reason to be wary of wars that are religious (or could be construed as religious) in nature. While the Alliance does not characterize the war as "religious," the rabble rousers on other side do. There is no doubt that Spaniards are far more familiar with Islamic culture and tradition than most residents of the United States, if for no other reasons than a long cultural history rich in Moorish influence and Northern Africa so incredibly close by. The Moors / Muslims conquered all the way into present day France. But Southern Provence was part of Catalan, present day Barcelona. up the coast around southern France to isle of Corsica. The French Croissant is the Moorish / Turkish cresent emblem. At least the Moors, relate to boats and waters. |
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Ya,,, you can stay home and hide under your covers,,, shivering like a
little animal,, and you admit that you have no courage or nuts to protect yourself then you badmouth a nation that is protecting the world, and the reason you are still a free country. It is because of America that Canada is still free and peaceful. "Don White" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote in message ... Whay are you afraid to go there yourself to protect your own freedom? There's two or three war mongering Americans in this newsgroup that worry me more than Iqaq. I'd better stay home. |
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Bert Robbins wrote in message ... They are men, where you are a pussy hiding behind your mama's skirt. You believe it is safe behind the skirt and you hope the bad terrorists will leave you alone if you keep your a low profile. Not at all.. I meant that I'm staying home to help protect the homefront against a certain small minority group of war mongers who might be looking for an excuse to invade, as was the case when the Fenians attacked in the 1860s. My great grandfather helped repel them at the border. What's your excuse Bertie? |
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In article , "Don White" wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote in message ... Whay are you afraid to go there yourself to protect your own freedom? There's two or three war mongering Americans in this newsgroup that worry me more than Iqaq. I'd better stay home. that's right stay home and keep your head shoved up your arse... |
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In article , "Don White" wrote:
Anyone else want to chip in and help buy Tuuk a 3rd class seat to Iraq? Why not to Canada instead? Canada ia little better than Iraq. |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:52:10 +0000, Don White wrote:
Not at all.. I meant that I'm staying home to help protect the homefront against a certain small minority group of war mongers who might be looking for an excuse to invade, as was the case when the Fenians attacked in the 1860s. My great grandfather helped repel them at the border. What's your excuse Bertie? I guess he wasn't at Ridgeway. The Fenians won that battle. ;-) |
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Henry Blackmoore wrote in message nk.net... that's right stay home and keep your head shoved up your arse... That's right Henry...that way I can keep a good eye on you! |
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Henry Blackmoore wrote in message news:Kqdhc.2240 Why not to Canada instead? Canada ia little better than Iraq. Duh! Tuuk lives in Canada, although you could treat him to a Maritimes vacation if you want. It might make him 'shake his head' in glee. |
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Henry ,, your not too smart are you? I mean ,,, lets look at what you
said,,,, "''''Canada ia little better than Iraq.'''''' I mean, ignoring the errors in grammar and ignoring errors in spelling and ignoring lack of intelligence, and ignoring the element of racism. So what are you trying to say? I mean how or what are you comparing? How is Canada a little better than a country that is still discovering mass graves from its leader, near 600,000 now. Come on there Harry,,, you know you deserve this one,,, you have earned it,,,, Give Your Head A Shake!!!!!! But please explain if you would,,, how is Canada a little better than Iraq? Go ahead,, over to you,, what say you?? "Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message ink.net... In article , "Don White" wrote: Anyone else want to chip in and help buy Tuuk a 3rd class seat to Iraq? Why not to Canada instead? Canada ia little better than Iraq. |
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Tuuk wrote in message ... Henry ,, your not too smart are you? I mean ,,, lets look at what you said,,,, "''''Canada ia little better than Iraq.'''''' I mean, ignoring the errors in grammar and ignoring errors in spelling and ignoring lack of intelligence, and ignoring the element of racism. So what are you trying to say? I mean how or what are you comparing? How is Canada a little better than a country that is still discovering mass graves from its leader, near 600,000 now. Come on there Harry,,, you know you deserve this one,,, you have earned it,,,, Give Your Head A Shake!!!!!! But please explain if you would,,, how is Canada a little better than Iraq? Go ahead,, over to you,, what say you?? Henry, Henry...Looks like 'you've been told' again. Don't get Tuuk on your case or you'll wish you were in Iraq. "Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message ink.net... In article , "Don White" wrote: Anyone else want to chip in and help buy Tuuk a 3rd class seat to Iraq? Why not to Canada instead? Canada ia little better than Iraq. |
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What happened,,, did I mistuuk you as Harry?? Lol,, Now them has to be fighting words,,,, Please except my most humblest apologies "Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message ink.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Henry ,, your not too smart are you? I mean ,,, lets look at what you said,,,, "''''Canada ia little better than Iraq.'''''' I mean, ignoring the errors in grammar and ignoring errors in spelling and ignoring lack of intelligence, and ignoring the element of racism. So what are you trying to say? I mean how or what are you comparing? How is Canada a little better than a country that is still discovering mass graves from its leader, near 600,000 now. Come on there Harry,,, you know you deserve this one,,, you have earned it,,,, Give Your Head A Shake!!!!!! But please explain if you would,,, how is Canada a little better than Iraq? Go ahead,, over to you,, what say you?? This may be hard for you to fathom but sometimes there are things called "typos". So the 's' got left out? Anyone with half-a-brain can figure that out. A typo isn't the same as a spelling error brainiac. Hey! We use "Tuuks" in the USA to wipe our asses (medicated asswipes). The United Nations voted Canaduh as the best place to live recently so surely that makes it a grand ol' place? Wow! I am still waiting to be impressed. Btw, my name is Henry not Harry. Should I "ignore" your "lack of intelligence"? "Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message link.net... In article , "Don White" wrote: Anyone else want to chip in and help buy Tuuk a 3rd class seat to Iraq? Why not to Canada instead? Canada ia little better than Iraq. |
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Tuuk wrote in message ... lol What happened,,, did I mistuuk you as Harry?? Lol,, Now them has to be fighting words,,,, Please except my most humblest apologies Isn't that sweet! You two gonna swap spit now and makeup |
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In article , " Tuuk" wrote:
lol What happened,,, did I mistuuk you as Harry?? Lol,, Now them has to be fighting words,,,, Please except my most humblest apologies It's hard not to like you Canadians..... "Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message link.net... In article , " Tuuk" wrote: Henry ,, your not too smart are you? I mean ,,, lets look at what you said,,,, "''''Canada ia little better than Iraq.'''''' I mean, ignoring the errors in grammar and ignoring errors in spelling and ignoring lack of intelligence, and ignoring the element of racism. So what are you trying to say? I mean how or what are you comparing? How is Canada a little better than a country that is still discovering mass graves from its leader, near 600,000 now. Come on there Harry,,, you know you deserve this one,,, you have earned it,,,, Give Your Head A Shake!!!!!! But please explain if you would,,, how is Canada a little better than Iraq? Go ahead,, over to you,, what say you?? This may be hard for you to fathom but sometimes there are things called "typos". So the 's' got left out? Anyone with half-a-brain can figure that out. A typo isn't the same as a spelling error brainiac. Hey! We use "Tuuks" in the USA to wipe our asses (medicated asswipes). The United Nations voted Canaduh as the best place to live recently so surely that makes it a grand ol' place? Wow! I am still waiting to be impressed. Btw, my name is Henry not Harry. Should I "ignore" your "lack of intelligence"? "Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message link.net... In article , "Don White" wrote: Anyone else want to chip in and help buy Tuuk a 3rd class seat to Iraq? Why not to Canada instead? Canada ia little better than Iraq. |
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In article , "Don White" wrote:
Tuuk wrote in message ... lol What happened,,, did I mistuuk you as Harry?? Lol,, Now them has to be fighting words,,,, Please except my most humblest apologies Isn't that sweet! You two gonna swap spit now and makeup You are my bitch err ahh never mind Donnie... |
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