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Which Used Ski Boat?
Do you want a ski boat or a wakeboard boat? The two are very different.
"Kevin" wrote in message ... Ok, I'm sure this has been covered a thousand times. I'm just looking for a starting point. I've been out of the ski boat space for a while now and ready to purchase one after selling our whaler.. Budget: $20,000.00 (going used, obviously) Application: Wakeboarding (intermediate), Skiing (expert), general lounging on the lake Hoping to find something 1999-2000ish with a tower, or something in the $18K range so we can afford the wakeboarding tower. Don't have an affinity for brands. Just looking for some suggested years and models, and what in general to look for. Thanks in advance. |
Which Used Ski Boat?
Even the tournament ski boats of 10 years ago when I knew something about
them had a massive wake at 20mph and tiny wake at 35, so I am questioning the specificity. Something that will work for both preferably, but if we have to make a choice, then wakeboarding. None of the young-uns appreciate my skiing ability, anyway. :) "Bill Cole" wrote in message ... Do you want a ski boat or a wakeboard boat? The two are very different. "Kevin" wrote in message ... Ok, I'm sure this has been covered a thousand times. I'm just looking for a starting point. I've been out of the ski boat space for a while now and ready to purchase one after selling our whaler.. Budget: $20,000.00 (going used, obviously) Application: Wakeboarding (intermediate), Skiing (expert), general lounging on the lake Hoping to find something 1999-2000ish with a tower, or something in the $18K range so we can afford the wakeboarding tower. Don't have an affinity for brands. Just looking for some suggested years and models, and what in general to look for. Thanks in advance. |
Which Used Ski Boat?
A bowrider's OK for skiing but won't produce the big wake that wakeboarders
want, even if you're loaded with people and gear. "Kevin" wrote in message ... on other "nice to have" would be a bow rider. not sure how much a compromise that is for skiing? "Kevin" wrote in message ... Ok, I'm sure this has been covered a thousand times. I'm just looking for a starting point. I've been out of the ski boat space for a while now and ready to purchase one after selling our whaler.. Budget: $20,000.00 (going used, obviously) Application: Wakeboarding (intermediate), Skiing (expert), general lounging on the lake Hoping to find something 1999-2000ish with a tower, or something in the $18K range so we can afford the wakeboarding tower. Don't have an affinity for brands. Just looking for some suggested years and models, and what in general to look for. Thanks in advance. |
Which Used Ski Boat?
Wakeboard boats use transom plates and water ballast to have the boat sit in
the water to create a rolling wake that allows the wakeboarder to get air. Visit http://www.boattraderonline.com/ and enter the details, they have a large database of wakeboard boats for sale under $20,000 Ski Nautique, Mastercraft, Supra, Malibu all make good wakeboard boats. Mastercraft uses a V-Drive on their wakeboard boats so the engine weight is in the rear, it opens up the cockpit and keep the transom low in the water. Moomba is a nice low costs wakeboard boat, but it is the Bayliner of wakeboard boats, so don't expect the same quality you will find in the others. "Kevin" wrote in message ... Even the tournament ski boats of 10 years ago when I knew something about them had a massive wake at 20mph and tiny wake at 35, so I am questioning the specificity. Something that will work for both preferably, but if we have to make a choice, then wakeboarding. None of the young-uns appreciate my skiing ability, anyway. :) "Bill Cole" wrote in message ... Do you want a ski boat or a wakeboard boat? The two are very different. "Kevin" wrote in message ... Ok, I'm sure this has been covered a thousand times. I'm just looking for a starting point. I've been out of the ski boat space for a while now and ready to purchase one after selling our whaler.. Budget: $20,000.00 (going used, obviously) Application: Wakeboarding (intermediate), Skiing (expert), general lounging on the lake Hoping to find something 1999-2000ish with a tower, or something in the $18K range so we can afford the wakeboarding tower. Don't have an affinity for brands. Just looking for some suggested years and models, and what in general to look for. Thanks in advance. |
Which Used Ski Boat?
Bill Andersen wrote:
A bowrider's OK for skiing but won't produce the big wake that wakeboarders want, even if you're loaded with people and gear. This sounds backwards to me - I've never seen a "wakeboard" boat that was NOT a bow rider. Most of the die hard skiers still prefer closed bow boats because they are generally a little lighter and have a smaller wake. Michael -- There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. -- Robert Heinlein |
Which Used Ski Boat?
"Kevin" wrote in message ... Even the tournament ski boats of 10 years ago when I knew something about them had a massive wake at 20mph and tiny wake at 35, so I am questioning the specificity. What seemed massive on ski(s) may seem tiny on a wakeboard. Also a little experience on a wakeboard may get you a couple MPH over 20 and the wake can lose size pretty quickly. Whatever you get, you need to add weight to get a good size wake. It's kind of hard to pin down what the best choice is, but the Sport Nautique is a pretty good start for setting up a wakeboard boat. |
Which Used Ski Boat?
there are many boats on the market today that are great dual purpose
boats that should meet your needs. Not to start any my boat is better than yours, but a great choice to look at for great slalom wakes and also good (not great, but good) wakeboarding wakes is the Malibu Response LX. For the $20K range, you should be able to pick up a '97, '98 RLX in decent shape. This boat is used on the pro tour for slaloming, so you know the wake is very good. But with the wedge and a fat sack or 2, it makes a very good slalom boat. The LX version means it is an open bow. "Bill Cole" wrote in message t... Wakeboard boats use transom plates and water ballast to have the boat sit in the water to create a rolling wake that allows the wakeboarder to get air. Visit http://www.boattraderonline.com/ and enter the details, they have a large database of wakeboard boats for sale under $20,000 Ski Nautique, Mastercraft, Supra, Malibu all make good wakeboard boats. Mastercraft uses a V-Drive on their wakeboard boats so the engine weight is in the rear, it opens up the cockpit and keep the transom low in the water. Moomba is a nice low costs wakeboard boat, but it is the Bayliner of wakeboard boats, so don't expect the same quality you will find in the others. "Kevin" wrote in message ... Even the tournament ski boats of 10 years ago when I knew something about them had a massive wake at 20mph and tiny wake at 35, so I am questioning the specificity. Something that will work for both preferably, but if we have to make a choice, then wakeboarding. None of the young-uns appreciate my skiing ability, anyway. :) "Bill Cole" wrote in message ... Do you want a ski boat or a wakeboard boat? The two are very different. "Kevin" wrote in message ... Ok, I'm sure this has been covered a thousand times. I'm just looking for a starting point. I've been out of the ski boat space for a while now and ready to purchase one after selling our whaler.. Budget: $20,000.00 (going used, obviously) Application: Wakeboarding (intermediate), Skiing (expert), general lounging on the lake Hoping to find something 1999-2000ish with a tower, or something in the $18K range so we can afford the wakeboarding tower. Don't have an affinity for brands. Just looking for some suggested years and models, and what in general to look for. Thanks in advance. |
Which Used Ski Boat?
Thanks Willy, that is some good straightforward advice. I was kind of going
down that path towards a v-drive. One boat available in my area that looks interesting is a MAXUM, but it's not one the common name brands, do they make a decent platform? "Willy Boehnke" wrote in message ... "Kevin" wrote in message ... Something that will work for both preferably, but if we have to make a choice, then wakeboarding. None of the young-uns appreciate my skiing ability, anyway. :) Since it is primarily for wakeboarding, I'd recommend getting the biggest/newest V-drive you can find in your $20,000 budget. I bought my 1995 MC Maristar 200 VRS early last year for $18,500. You should be able to find something bigger and/or newer in that range now. As mentioned previously, to get a big wake, you'll have to add weight to whatever you buy, so plan for it. If you need to add a tower to it, check out http://www.monstertower.com. If you like the MonsterTower and want to save $100, contact me. Willy Boehnke |
Which Used Ski Boat?
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:31:53 -0700, "Kevin"
wrote: .... One boat available in my area that looks interesting is a MAXUM, but it's not one the common name brands, do they make a decent platform? That is an inboard outboard; save your cash for a true V drive. |
Which Used Ski Boat?
Do yourself a favor and check out the Tige's with TAPS. No ballast tanks,
no flipping a plate under the boat. Just flip a switch on the throttle. You should be able to pick up something in that price range and year. A V-Drive makes for a better wake board boat but they are generally more money. I would not recommend a 20ft V-Drive. If it's a family recreation boat do get a bow rider. "Kevin" wrote in message ... Ok, I'm sure this has been covered a thousand times. I'm just looking for a starting point. I've been out of the ski boat space for a while now and ready to purchase one after selling our whaler.. Budget: $20,000.00 (going used, obviously) Application: Wakeboarding (intermediate), Skiing (expert), general lounging on the lake Hoping to find something 1999-2000ish with a tower, or something in the $18K range so we can afford the wakeboarding tower. Don't have an affinity for brands. Just looking for some suggested years and models, and what in general to look for. Thanks in advance. |
Which Used Ski Boat?
"Kevin" wrote in message ... Thanks Willy, that is some good straightforward advice. I was kind of going down that path towards a v-drive. One boat available in my area that looks interesting is a MAXUM, but it's not one the common name brands, do they make a decent platform? Maxum is an I/O. VERY hard to maintain wakeboard speed, and slalom wakes stinks. I see lots of people saying "V" drives????????? You said slalom expert use. and wakeboard intermediate use. That puts you in the Malibu Response LX class. Great slalom wake, and drop the wedge for the wakeboard. Tons of them on boattrader.com for under $20K http://www.boattraderonline.com/adse...chprocess.html |
Which Used Ski Boat?
Actually, the maxum is a v-drive -
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/0/50711350.htm but I've since learned it's a bayliner owned line, so that's out of the question. I think the slalom use will dwindle, I'm the only one in the family who is a serious skier, and, as with snowskiing to snowboarding, I'm transitioning my feet apart and giving up the old school sport. The thing to keep in mind is we're coming from a 19' boston whaler - too light, no straight tracking, and underpowered for slalom, too light for wakeboarding - so ANYTHING inboard will work better for both applications. One approach we're considering is buying something in the $16K range and then adding wakebaording goodies like the tower, plate and/or ballast. Thanks again everyone for the discussion, it's helping, keep it up! "Doug Meredith" wrote in message ... "Kevin" wrote in message ... Thanks Willy, that is some good straightforward advice. I was kind of going down that path towards a v-drive. One boat available in my area that looks interesting is a MAXUM, but it's not one the common name brands, do they make a decent platform? Maxum is an I/O. VERY hard to maintain wakeboard speed, and slalom wakes stinks. I see lots of people saying "V" drives????????? You said slalom expert use. and wakeboard intermediate use. That puts you in the Malibu Response LX class. Great slalom wake, and drop the wedge for the wakeboard. Tons of them on boattrader.com for under $20K http://www.boattraderonline.com/adse...chprocess.html |
Which Used Ski Boat?
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 17:25:42 -0700, "Kevin"
wrote: Actually, the maxum is a v-drive - http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/0/50711350.htm Sure looks like an outleg attached to the reversed motor. BICBW |
Which Used Ski Boat?
Partly that, also the fact that THERE WILL NOT BE ANYONE IN FRONT OF THE DRIVER !!! No kids acting up, no heads bobbing. Not to flame a category of boat or owner, but we got very nearly hit by ANOTHER goof ball driving around in a floating play yard this sunday. No, it wasn't on/in the course, Yes we WERE in the track that is recognised as a traffic lane. Ho Hum, watch for a thread about law suits against boat manufacturers for designs that allow passengers to block the view of the driver (-: Hmmm, not common in other vehicles. Well I didn't want to get hurt enough to sue anybody anyway. \R Michael Rothwell wrote: Bill Andersen wrote: A bowrider's OK for skiing but won't produce the big wake that wakeboarders want, even if you're loaded with people and gear. This sounds backwards to me - I've never seen a "wakeboard" boat that was NOT a bow rider. Most of the die hard skiers still prefer closed bow boats because they are generally a little lighter and have a smaller wake. Michael -- There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. -- Robert Heinlein |
Which Used Ski Boat?
Brunswick also owns mariner and mercury marine - companies within the
corporation with excellent heritages of their own, just like whaler, all fine products My understanding is that Maxum is a branded boat made by the bayliner company - not a seperate company in the corporation- there is a big difference. is this true or not? "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Actually, the maxum is a v-drive - http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/0/50711350.htm but I've since learned it's a bayliner owned line, so that's out of the question. That's a goofy position to take. "Bayliner" doesn't own "Maxum" any more than Chevrolet owns Buick, Pontiac, or Cadillac. Bayliner and Maxum are both trademarks of the Brunswick company. Bayliner is the more basic, no frills boat. If you are going to rule out Maxum because the company builds the less expensive Bayliner trademark, you will also want to be sure you don't look at Hatteras, Sea Ray, Boston Whaler, Meridian, Trophy, Baja, and a few others.....all of which are Brusnwick products and just as "owned by Bayliner" as the Maxum is. While you're at it, make sure you don't even begin to consider anything with a Mercruiser engine. Yup. "Owned by Bayliner" too. :-) |
Which Used Ski Boat?
Brunswick also owns mariner and mercury marine - companies within the
corporation with excellent heritages of their own, just like whaler, all fine products My understanding is that Maxum is a branded boat made by the bayliner company - not a seperate company in the corporation- there is a big difference. is this true or not? Depends on the definition of "is". Is the Maxum built by the same parent company that builds Bayliner? Yes, it is. Along with a lot of other brand names. Is the Maxum built identically to the Bayliner product and simply rebadged? No, it is not. Rough parallel: Ground beef and a medium grade steak. Came from the same cow, have the same nutritional value, but most people will pay slightly more for one than for the other because they see a difference in value. Maxum is more similar to Bayliner than it is to some of the other Brunswick labels, but take a close look at the two boats and you will see why the Maxum brings a little more money. There are boats on the market, (not bult by Brunswick), that are probably not any better than a Maxum. And that's why I remarked it might be silly to dismiss Maxum without even looking at it because some dock-walking expert advisor gave the standard knock against Bayliner and there is an association between the two boats. (Workmanship is fairly close to about the same among most popularly priced, mass-pro boats anymore. It's a production line assembly worker's job these days, not a shipwright's trade.You'll find the majority of differences in design, layup technique, and materials schedules.) "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Actually, the maxum is a v-drive - http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/0/50711350.htm but I've since learned it's a bayliner owned line, so that's out of the question. That's a goofy position to take. "Bayliner" doesn't own "Maxum" any more than Chevrolet owns Buick, Pontiac, or Cadillac. Bayliner and Maxum are both trademarks of the Brunswick company. Bayliner is the more basic, no frills boat. If you are going to rule out Maxum because the company builds the less expensive Bayliner trademark, you will also want to be sure you don't look at Hatteras, Sea Ray, Boston Whaler, Meridian, Trophy, Baja, and a few others.....all of which are Brusnwick products and just as "owned by Bayliner" as the Maxum is. While you're at it, make sure you don't even begin to consider anything with a Mercruiser engine. Yup. "Owned by Bayliner" too. :-) |
Which Used Ski Boat?
I would dismiss Maxim because it meets no of the criteria the man is looking
for, it is neither a ski boat or a wakeboard boat. It is a runabout, which is nice for pulling water toys, but it won't give you a flat wake for skiing or a rolling wake for wakeboarding. "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Brunswick also owns mariner and mercury marine - companies within the corporation with excellent heritages of their own, just like whaler, all fine products My understanding is that Maxum is a branded boat made by the bayliner company - not a seperate company in the corporation- there is a big difference. is this true or not? Depends on the definition of "is". Is the Maxum built by the same parent company that builds Bayliner? Yes, it is. Along with a lot of other brand names. Is the Maxum built identically to the Bayliner product and simply rebadged? No, it is not. Rough parallel: Ground beef and a medium grade steak. Came from the same cow, have the same nutritional value, but most people will pay slightly more for one than for the other because they see a difference in value. Maxum is more similar to Bayliner than it is to some of the other Brunswick labels, but take a close look at the two boats and you will see why the Maxum brings a little more money. There are boats on the market, (not bult by Brunswick), that are probably not any better than a Maxum. And that's why I remarked it might be silly to dismiss Maxum without even looking at it because some dock-walking expert advisor gave the standard knock against Bayliner and there is an association between the two boats. (Workmanship is fairly close to about the same among most popularly priced, mass-pro boats anymore. It's a production line assembly worker's job these days, not a shipwright's trade.You'll find the majority of differences in design, layup technique, and materials schedules.) "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Actually, the maxum is a v-drive - http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/5/0/50711350.htm but I've since learned it's a bayliner owned line, so that's out of the question. That's a goofy position to take. "Bayliner" doesn't own "Maxum" any more than Chevrolet owns Buick, Pontiac, or Cadillac. Bayliner and Maxum are both trademarks of the Brunswick company. Bayliner is the more basic, no frills boat. If you are going to rule out Maxum because the company builds the less expensive Bayliner trademark, you will also want to be sure you don't look at Hatteras, Sea Ray, Boston Whaler, Meridian, Trophy, Baja, and a few others.....all of which are Brusnwick products and just as "owned by Bayliner" as the Maxum is. While you're at it, make sure you don't even begin to consider anything with a Mercruiser engine. Yup. "Owned by Bayliner" too. :-) |
Which Used Ski Boat?
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Which Used Ski Boat?
I did some consulting for US Marine near Seattle. The same people who
design Bayliner also design Maxum. The same factories and workers are used, and I believe the same molds, etc are used. The same molds are not used. For example; compare the 18-foot Maxum with the 18-foot Bayliner Maxum: LOA is 17'6" beam is 7' hull draft is 18" deadrise is 19 degrees weight is 2000 pounds. The Maxum is built with an interior fiberglass liner, consistent with the "three piece" construction technique used by many builders. (hull, interior liner, deck). Comparable 18-foot Bayliner: LOA is 18' 0" Beam is 7'6" Deadrise is 17 degrees Weight is 1878 pounds Hull draft is 14" Clearly *not* the same mold. Rather than an interior fiberglass liner, the Bayliner uses "XL composite panels" with a "lifetime limited guarantee against rot in hull, deck, and upholstery components." Some of the weight difference may be due to the difference in standard engines. The Bayliner has a 90HP outboard as the standard engine, while the Maxum is standard with a 3- liter stern drive. Once again, not the same mold at all. |
Which Used Ski Boat?
I would dismiss Maxim because it meets no of the criteria the man is looking
for, it is neither a ski boat or a wakeboard boat. As anybody should dismiss a boat that they believe is not designed to perform in the specific manner they are looking for. That's different than refusing to consider a boat because it's built by Brunswick. |
Which Used Ski Boat?
alright enough already, comparing a maxum to a whaler is not a valid
comparison, but maxum is not a low-end re-badged bayliner... sorry for my bigotry against bayliners.. Back to the point - are Tige's any good? There is a Pre bowrider with Taps wake system available in my price range locally. It looks good - is Tige considered peers with correct craft and master craft? "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... I did some consulting for US Marine near Seattle. The same people who design Bayliner also design Maxum. The same factories and workers are used, and I believe the same molds, etc are used. The same molds are not used. For example; compare the 18-foot Maxum with the 18-foot Bayliner Maxum: LOA is 17'6" beam is 7' hull draft is 18" deadrise is 19 degrees weight is 2000 pounds. The Maxum is built with an interior fiberglass liner, consistent with the "three piece" construction technique used by many builders. (hull, interior liner, deck). Comparable 18-foot Bayliner: LOA is 18' 0" Beam is 7'6" Deadrise is 17 degrees Weight is 1878 pounds Hull draft is 14" Clearly *not* the same mold. Rather than an interior fiberglass liner, the Bayliner uses "XL composite panels" with a "lifetime limited guarantee against rot in hull, deck, and upholstery components." Some of the weight difference may be due to the difference in standard engines. The Bayliner has a 90HP outboard as the standard engine, while the Maxum is standard with a 3- liter stern drive. Once again, not the same mold at all. |
Which Used Ski Boat?
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