"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...

YOU have no say at all in how I conduct my life and that galls you
something
fierce.

Sorry to have to tell you this, but despite your feelings to the
contrary, in any civilized society there are laws which you are
obligated to follow, irrespective of your anarchistic and nihilistic
nature. The reality of this would seem to "gall" you.

Aren't you the same guy who has said, at least 12 million times in the past,
that there are too many laws, and that personal responsibility, if taught
correctly, would obviate the need for more laws? Why is it, then, that a
place like NYC finally instituted a scooper law, and began busting people
who let their dogs crap right on the sidewalk and then left it there? We're
talking about dogs on a leash, with their owners watching.

You seem to enjoy using the law to support your arguments as long as the
laws in question have no effect on you.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:36:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

YOU have no say at all in how I conduct my life and that galls you
something
fierce.

Sorry to have to tell you this, but despite your feelings to the
contrary, in any civilized society there are laws which you are
obligated to follow, irrespective of your anarchistic and nihilistic
nature. The reality of this would seem to "gall" you.

Aren't you the same guy who has said, at least 12 million times

12 million and 1, but who's counting?

in the past,
that there are too many laws, and that personal responsibility, if taught
correctly, would obviate the need for more laws?

In theory that would be true. But you and I both know that there are
too many people in the world who do not rise to the occasion when it
comes to personal responsibility. That being said, I am of the mindset
where laws should be basic and based on moral grounds. Things like
killing, theft,and rape should be clearly defined. I have my biggest
problem with "social lifestyle" and "nuisance" laws, which attempt to
define acceptable behavior according to (supposedly) a majority of the
members of society, despite the overtly subjective value judgement of
the activity in question


Why is it, then, that a
place like NYC finally instituted a scooper law, and began busting people
who let their dogs crap right on the sidewalk and then left it there? We're
talking about dogs on a leash, with their owners watching.

I dispute the value of those laws. They make no sense in places like
where I live. It's supposed to be some big health threat to leave dog
poop on the curb or adjacent lawn, but any number of native wildlife
species have carte blanche access to do the same. Another example of
not seeing the forest for the trees. On the other hand, in a concrete
jungle, it probably makes better sense.


You seem to enjoy using the law to support your arguments as long as the
laws in question have no effect on you.

No, that's not it at all. I respect most laws as they are. I am not
the anarchist here. I am rarely on the wrong side of the law on these
issues. On those laws with which I am odds with, I have no problem
with lobbying for change.

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:36:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

YOU have no say at all in how I conduct my life and that galls you
something
fierce.

Sorry to have to tell you this, but despite your feelings to the
contrary, in any civilized society there are laws which you are
obligated to follow, irrespective of your anarchistic and nihilistic
nature. The reality of this would seem to "gall" you.

Aren't you the same guy who has said, at least 12 million times

12 million and 1, but who's counting?

in the past,
that there are too many laws, and that personal responsibility, if taught
correctly, would obviate the need for more laws?

In theory that would be true. But you and I both know that there are
too many people in the world who do not rise to the occasion when it
comes to personal responsibility. That being said, I am of the mindset
where laws should be basic and based on moral grounds. Things like
killing, theft,and rape should be clearly defined. I have my biggest
problem with "social lifestyle" and "nuisance" laws, which attempt to
define acceptable behavior according to (supposedly) a majority of the
members of society, despite the overtly subjective value judgement of
the activity in question


Why is it, then, that a
place like NYC finally instituted a scooper law, and began busting people
who let their dogs crap right on the sidewalk and then left it there?
We're
talking about dogs on a leash, with their owners watching.

I dispute the value of those laws. They make no sense in places like
where I live. It's supposed to be some big health threat to leave dog
poop on the curb or adjacent lawn, but any number of native wildlife
species have carte blanche access to do the same. Another example of
not seeing the forest for the trees. On the other hand, in a concrete
jungle, it probably makes better sense.


You seem to enjoy using the law to support your arguments as long as the
laws in question have no effect on you.

No, that's not it at all. I respect most laws as they are. I am not
the anarchist here. I am rarely on the wrong side of the law on these
issues. On those laws with which I am odds with, I have no problem
with lobbying for change.

Dave


It's safe to assume, then, that you throw empty beverage containers out of
your boat.

It's safe to assume, then, that you throw empty beverage containers out of
your boat.



With what evidence do you base this "assumption"?

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


It's safe to assume, then, that you throw empty beverage containers out
of
your boat.



With what evidence do you base this "assumption"?

Dave

You allow your dog to roam and claim to not know with 100% certainty that
it's crapping on someone else's garden. Most people who care so little about
their neighbors usually have a long list of things they think they can get
away with.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:42:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .


It's safe to assume, then, that you throw empty beverage containers out
of
your boat.



With what evidence do you base this "assumption"?

Dave

You allow your dog to roam and claim to not know with 100% certainty that
it's crapping on someone else's garden.

When did your hypothetical example of a careless neighbor suddenly
morph into a situation involving "my" dog? I know with 100% certainty
that my dog was not crapping on my neighbor's yard.

Most people who care so little about
their neighbors usually have a long list of things they think they can get
away with.

Like arbitrarily killing other people's pets who annoy us?

Maybe I should ask you if YOU throw your empty's overboard?


You're a regular Sigmund Freud.

In your mind anyway.

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote
In theory that would be true. But you and I both know that there are
too many people in the world who do not rise to the occasion when it
comes to personal responsibility.

Yeah, and one of them is you.
You would prefer a bureaucracy to enforce your rights for you because you
are too stupidcowardly to do it yourself.
Anarchy = chaos. LOL
Yeah right, keep telling yourself that moron.

"Don" wrote in message ...
"Dave Hall" wrote
In theory that would be true. But you and I both know that there are
too many people in the world who do not rise to the occasion when it
comes to personal responsibility.

Yeah, and one of them is you.
You would prefer a bureaucracy to enforce your rights for you because you
are too stupidcowardly to do it yourself.
Anarchy = chaos. LOL
Yeah right, keep telling yourself that moron.

Hmm, moron, huh? I think YOU are the one being moronic:

Entry Word: anarchy
Function: noun
Text: 1 absence of effective government or the resulting social
disorder complete anarchy followed the breakdown of communications
Synonyms chaos, lawlessness, mobocracy, ochlocracy

Entry Word: chaos
Function: noun
Text: 1
Synonyms CONFUSION 3, ataxia, ||ballup, clutter, disarray, disorder,
huddle, muddle, snarl, topsyturviness
2
Synonyms ANARCHY 1, lawlessness, mobocracy, ochlocracy
Related Word misrule, unruliness

Entry: anarchy
Function: noun
Definition: lawlessness
Synonyms: chaos, confusion, disorder, disorganization, disregard,
hostility, mob rule, nihilism, nongovernment, rebellion, revolution,
riot, turmoil
Antonyms: law and order, lawfulness, order, organization, rule
Concept: govt/political action
Source: Roget's Interactive Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.0)
Copyright © 2004 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

"basskisser" wrote

Hmm, moron, huh? I think YOU are the one being moronic:

Entry Word: anarchy
Text: 1 absence of effective government

Are YOU deliberately stupid?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...

YOU have no say at all in how I conduct my life and that galls you
something
fierce.

Sorry to have to tell you this, but despite your feelings to the
contrary, in any civilized society there are laws which you are
obligated to follow, irrespective of your anarchistic and nihilistic
nature. The reality of this would seem to "gall" you.

Aren't you the same guy who has said, at least 12 million times in the
past,
that there are too many laws, and that personal responsibility, if taught
correctly, would obviate the need for more laws? Why is it, then, that a
place like NYC finally instituted a scooper law, and began busting people
who let their dogs crap right on the sidewalk and then left it there?
We're
talking about dogs on a leash, with their owners watching.

You seem to enjoy using the law to support your arguments as long as the
laws in question have no effect on you.

Dave likes laws when they are in his favor, ie., they keep bad men from
hurting him, just like the bought media tells him every day.
The poor oaf hasn't the where with all to figure it out.
He was programed to be an idiot by the public school system and kept stupid
since by massive daily doses of media.
Nothing that a burning tire around the neck won't cure.