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Help your president



The president had a hard time last night recalling his biggest mistake.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_ro...ies/index.html
Help him remember by voting here.
http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=45639

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Help the president????

Looks like you need help making a post?? I guess its easy to point out your
last mistake. But you do this all day long??? And you poke fun at the
president,,,,
I bet your shaking your head as we speak.......





"Jim" wrote in message
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Help your president



The president had a hard time last night recalling his biggest mistake.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_ro...ies/index.html
Help him remember by voting here.
http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=45639

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Jim wrote:

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Help your president



The president had a hard time last night recalling his biggest mistake.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_ro...ies/index.html
Help him remember by voting here.
http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=45639

Invading Iraq without a plan for the aftermath.

Telling the American people that Iraq definitely possessed WMD.

Failing to send U.S. troops into Tora Bora to capture Osama bin Laden in
November 2001.

Disparaging Army Gen. Eric K. Shinseki when he said more troops would be
needed in Iraq.

Focusing on missile defense while ignoring repeated warnings of an imminent
al Qaeda attack before 9/11.


What? No, "All of the above".
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"____m___~¿Ô___m____" wrote in message

....ignoring repeated warnings of an imminent
al Qaeda attack before 9/11.

What planet are you on? Would you enjoy a remedial reading course?

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Poll results

The Progress Report asked its readers (you may recall) to help President
Bush name his biggest national security mistake since taking office. 22,000
responses later, the results a

1. Invading Iraq without a plan for the aftermath, 34.09%
2. Focusing on missile defense while ignoring repeated warnings of an
imminent al Qaeda attack before 9/11, 32.55%
3. Telling the American people that Iraq definitely possessed WMD, 26.34%
4. Failing to send U.S. troops into Tora Bora to capture Osama bin Laden in
November 2001, 5%
5. Disparaging Army Gen. Eric K. Shinseki when he said more troops would be
needed in Iraq, 1.71%



"Jim" wrote in message
...
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Help your president



The president had a hard time last night recalling his biggest mistake.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_ro...ies/index.html
Help him remember by voting here.
http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=45639

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"Jim" wrote in message news:qVAgc.1828
Poll results

The Progress Report asked its readers (you may recall) to help President
Bush name his biggest national security mistake since taking office.
22,000
responses later, the results a

This "poll" shows nothing more than the power of repetitive media
pronouncements to influence public opinion.



1. Invading Iraq without a plan for the aftermath, 34.09%

Insisting that there was "no plan" is foolish and presumptuous. Of course
there was a plan. Neither does observing that the original plan has not
worked particularly well require a great degree of astutness.

2. Focusing on missile defense while ignoring repeated warnings of an
imminent al Qaeda attack before 9/11, 32.55%

There were no "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack before
9/11..."


3. Telling the American people that Iraq definitely possessed WMD, 26.34%

Iraq *did* possess B & C weapons, and *did* have a nuclear program aborning.


4. Failing to send U.S. troops into Tora Bora to capture Osama bin Laden
in
November 2001, 5%

This truly was a tactical mistake -- no way around that. Telling that only
5% recognize it as such.

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:57:41 -0400, John Gaquin
wrote:


"Jim" wrote in message news:qVAgc.1828
Poll results

The Progress Report asked its readers (you may recall) to help President
Bush name his biggest national security mistake since taking office.
22,000
responses later, the results a

This "poll" shows nothing more than the power of repetitive media
pronouncements to influence public opinion.

Did you respond?



1. Invading Iraq without a plan for the aftermath, 34.09%

Insisting that there was "no plan" is foolish and presumptuous. Of
course
there was a plan. Neither does observing that the original plan has not
worked particularly well require a great degree of astutness.

Yep as I recall the "plan?" was that our guys would be greated with food
and flowers -- Bushes wet dream

2. Focusing on missile defense while ignoring repeated warnings of an
imminent al Qaeda attack before 9/11, 32.55%

There were no "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack before
9/11..."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=513&ncid=716

Excerpt:
The CIA warned as early as 1995 that Islamic extremists were likely to
attack U.S. aviation,
Washington landmarks or Wall Street and by 1997 had identified Osama bin
Laden as an
emerging threat on U.S. soil, a senior intelligence official said
Thursday.

The report specifically warned that civil aviation, Washington landmarks
such as the White House
and Capitol and buildings on Wall Street were at the greatest risk of a
domestic terror attack
by Muslim extremists, the official said.


3. Telling the American people that Iraq definitely possessed WMD,
26.34%

Iraq *did* possess B & C weapons, and *did* have a nuclear program
aborning.

All past tense.


4. Failing to send U.S. troops into Tora Bora to capture Osama bin Laden
in
November 2001, 5%

This truly was a tactical mistake -- no way around that. Telling that
only
5% recognize it as such.

You forgot #5
5. Disparaging Army Gen. Eric K. Shinseki when he said more troops would be
needed in Iraq, 1.71%

So now he (bush) has extended to duty of 20,000 troops




--
Jim

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John Gaquin wrote:

"Jim" wrote in message news:qVAgc.1828

Poll results

The Progress Report asked its readers (you may recall) to help President
Bush name his biggest national security mistake since taking office.

22,000

responses later, the results a


This "poll" shows nothing more than the power of repetitive media
pronouncements to influence public opinion.

this poll and others show that the public finally is beginning to
realize Bush is full of crap, naive and liar.





1. Invading Iraq without a plan for the aftermath, 34.09%


Insisting that there was "no plan" is foolish and presumptuous. Of course
there was a plan. Neither does observing that the original plan has not
worked particularly well require a great degree of astutness.


What was that plan? Oh...our troops would be met with gifts of flowers
and virgins, or some nonsense.




2. Focusing on missile defense while ignoring repeated warnings of an
imminent al Qaeda attack before 9/11, 32.55%


There were no "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack before
9/11..."


Hehehe. Ignoring everything that has been revealed to date, eh? Wait,
there is more to come.

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"Jim" wrote in message

Yep as I recall the "plan?" was that our guys would be greated with food
and flowers -- Bushes wet dream

No, that's not, and never was, "the plan". That's a high-school level
attempt at clever snideness. And it doesn't work.



http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...on_go_ot/sept_
11_cia_warnings&cid=513&ncid=716

Excerpt:
The CIA warned as early as 1995

Two or three generic warnings, several years ago and some years apart, that
some or particular muslim terrorists might, at some time or other, want to
attack highly symbolic American targets, or hijack American airplanes, does
*not* constitute "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack...".
That level of prescience can be had at any working-man's breakfast coffee
shop.




3. Telling the American people that Iraq definitely possessed WMD,
26.34%

Iraq *did* possess B & C weapons, and *did* have a nuclear program
aborning.

All past tense.

So what? The last best intelligence is all anyone can go by. We know they
had them. We know they used them. These are documented facts, and they are
incontrovertible.


You forgot #5
5. Disparaging Army Gen. Eric K. Shinseki when he said more troops would
be needed in Iraq, 1.71%

I didn't forget, I ignored. Less than 2% thought it was a big mistake, and
I agree. Shinseki shouldn't have publicly dissed his boss, and W shouldn't
have publicly dealt with it.


So now he (bush) has extended to duty of 20,000 troops

Shinseki had a 50% chance of being right. No one really knew. Remember
Winston Churchill's quote.

last item. in future, please respond on the NG only.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c5us59


What was that plan? Oh...our troops would be met with gifts of flowers
and virgins, or some nonsense.


There were no "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack
before
9/11..."


Hehehe. Ignoring everything that has been revealed to date, eh? Wait,
there is more to come.


See my response to Jim, above.

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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message

Yep as I recall the "plan?" was that our guys would be greated with
food
and flowers -- Bushes wet dream

No, that's not, and never was, "the plan". That's a high-school level
attempt at clever snideness. And it doesn't work.

OK -- Since YOU seem to be privy to "THE PLAN" -- educate us as to Just what
it was/is please.




http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...on_go_ot/sept_
11_cia_warnings&cid=513&ncid=716

Excerpt:
The CIA warned as early as 1995

Two or three generic warnings, several years ago and some years apart,
that
some or particular muslim terrorists might, at some time or other, want to
attack highly symbolic American targets, or hijack American airplanes,
does
*not* constitute "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack...".
That level of prescience can be had at any working-man's breakfast coffee
shop.

Umnnnnn -- lots more than 2-3 -- sometimes more than that per day -- didn't
you watch Fr. Rice?




3. Telling the American people that Iraq definitely possessed WMD,
26.34%

Iraq *did* possess B & C weapons, and *did* have a nuclear program
aborning.

All past tense.

So what? The last best intelligence is all anyone can go by. We know
they
had them. We know they used them. These are documented facts, and they
are
incontrovertible.

We knew he had them because we sold them to him (wonder if the check was
good?) He was ordered to get rid of them, and all evidence to date indicates
that he did


You forgot #5
5. Disparaging Army Gen. Eric K. Shinseki when he said more troops would
be needed in Iraq, 1.71%

I didn't forget, I ignored. Less than 2% thought it was a big mistake,
and
I agree. Shinseki shouldn't have publicly dissed his boss, and W
shouldn't
have publicly dealt with it.


So now he (bush) has extended to duty of 20,000 troops

Shinseki had a 50% chance of being right. No one really knew. Remember
Winston Churchill's quote.

Shinseki was in the field risking his ass -- Bush was probably golfing or
fishing or something. Who has a better picture?

last item. in future, please respond on the NG only.

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John Gaquin wrote:

That's a high-school level
attempt at clever snideness. And it doesn't work.

Didn't work for you 4 days ago in this same thread.
You must have missed the second link in the original post.

Help him remember by voting here.
http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=45639

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"Jim" wrote in message news:cfEgc.2026

OK -- Since YOU seem to be privy to "THE PLAN" -- educate us as to Just
what
it was/is please.

I never said I was privy to any plan. I merely pointed out that the notion
that an army of 150,000 would have no plan for occupying captured territory
is ludicrous on its face, notwithstanding what you read in The Guardian.
The fact that a plan is not working is not prima facie evidence that no plan
exists.

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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message news:cfEgc.2026

OK -- Since YOU seem to be privy to "THE PLAN" -- educate us as to Just
what
it was/is please.

I never said I was privy to any plan. I merely pointed out that the
notion
that an army of 150,000 would have no plan for occupying captured
territory
is ludicrous on its face, notwithstanding what you read in The Guardian.
The fact that a plan is not working is not prima facie evidence that no
plan
exists.


So if I understand you, There was a plan nobody knows what it is, but it's
not working?

Yep -- sounds like Bush

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"Jim" wrote in message news:Q9Mgc.1907

So if I understand you, There was a plan nobody knows what it is, but it's
not working?


Not *quite* right. Take out your spin, and you have "There was a plan, but
it's
not working". They are improvising and adapting. This is not at all
unusual in combat. Most often it is the norm.

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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Jim" wrote in message news:Q9Mgc.1907

So if I understand you, There was a plan nobody knows what it is, but
it's
not working?


Not *quite* right. Take out your spin, and you have "There was a plan,
but
it's
not working". They are improvising and adapting. This is not at all
unusual in combat. Most often it is the norm.

" improvising and adapting" -- Isn't that what you do when there is no plan?

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You guys should put a poll together,,, ask if the net lives saved so far
justifies Bush's agenda? Ask if the figure 40,000 lives murdered each year
(on average) that has stopped is something that Bush might have thought
about.
Because you morons would have criticized Bush had he done nothing and the
40,000 lives lost every year (on average) in Iraq would have continued.
Do you morons believe that the Iraqi lives are not worth saving? Because you
seem to have a problem with this "unexpected""" benefit that seems to have
just happened without thought.....

GYHAS







"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c5us59


What was that plan? Oh...our troops would be met with gifts of flowers
and virgins, or some nonsense.


There were no "...repeated warnings of an imminent al Qaeda attack
before
9/11..."


Hehehe. Ignoring everything that has been revealed to date, eh? Wait,
there is more to come.


See my response to Jim, above.

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" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
You guys should put a poll together,,, ask if the net lives saved so far
justifies Bush's agenda? Ask if the figure 40,000 lives murdered each year
(on average) that has stopped is something that Bush might have thought
about.
Because you morons would have criticized Bush had he done nothing and the
40,000 lives lost every year (on average) in Iraq would have continued.
Do you morons believe that the Iraqi lives are not worth saving? Because
you
seem to have a problem with this "unexpected""" benefit that seems to have
just happened without thought.....

GYHAS


From an earlier post

8,875 to 10,725. The minimum and maximum estimates of the number of Iraqi
civilians killed in Iraq so far,

3,466. The total of American soldiers wounded in action in Iraq through
April 17, 2004,

793. Total coalition soldiers killed in Iraq since the war began,

600. The number of people killed during the current siege of Fallujah

110. The number of coalition soldiers killed in November 2003

92. The number of coalition soldiers (65 Americans and 27 Brits) killed in
March 2003

91. The number of coalition soldiers killed in April 2004,

Also which of your numbers are we to believe -- in one instance you say

"Ask if the figure 40,000 lives murdered each year (on average) that has
stopped is something that Bush might have thought about."

In another

"
"Do you know that the net lives saved so far is approximately 30,000 lives?"

And to answer your question -- NO, I DON"T think Bush thought about it. I
doubt Bush does much thinking at all.
"

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" Tuuk" wrote
You guys should put a poll together,,, ask if the net lives saved so far
justifies Bush's agenda? Ask if the figure 40,000 lives murdered each year
(on average) that has stopped is something that Bush might have thought
about.
Because you morons would have criticized Bush had he done nothing and the
40,000 lives lost every year (on average) in Iraq would have continued.
Do you morons believe that the Iraqi lives are not worth saving? Because
you
seem to have a problem with this "unexpected""" benefit that seems to have
just happened without thought.....

Are you talking about the lives lost due to the US embargo on Iraq?
If so, maybe you can tell us if the embargo is still enacted?

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Come on,,, get with the program








"Don" wrote in message
...
" Tuuk" wrote
You guys should put a poll together,,, ask if the net lives saved so far
justifies Bush's agenda? Ask if the figure 40,000 lives murdered each
year
(on average) that has stopped is something that Bush might have thought
about.
Because you morons would have criticized Bush had he done nothing and
the
40,000 lives lost every year (on average) in Iraq would have continued.
Do you morons believe that the Iraqi lives are not worth saving? Because
you
seem to have a problem with this "unexpected""" benefit that seems to
have
just happened without thought.....

Are you talking about the lives lost due to the US embargo on Iraq?
If so, maybe you can tell us if the embargo is still enacted?

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"Don" wrote
" Tuuk" wrote
You guys should put a poll together,,, ask if the net lives saved so
far
justifies Bush's agenda? Ask if the figure 40,000 lives murdered each
year
(on average) that has stopped is something that Bush might have
thought
about.
Because you morons would have criticized Bush had he done nothing and
the
40,000 lives lost every year (on average) in Iraq would have
continued.
Do you morons believe that the Iraqi lives are not worth saving?
Because
you
seem to have a problem with this "unexpected""" benefit that seems to
have
just happened without thought.....

Are you talking about the lives lost due to the US embargo on Iraq?
If so, maybe you can tell us if the embargo is still enacted?

" Tuuk" wrote
Come on,,, get with the program

So, you don't know the answer?

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Did you find it yet,,, or do I need to point it out to you?

should I hold your hand and walk you over to it? Just like they had to do on
Easter egg hunts for you? Just like they had to do with answer on quizzes in
school? Lemme know,, I do not mind helping you...... I cannot do everything
for you ,,, you know.







"Don" wrote in message
...
"Don" wrote
" Tuuk" wrote
You guys should put a poll together,,, ask if the net lives saved so
far
justifies Bush's agenda? Ask if the figure 40,000 lives murdered
each
year
(on average) that has stopped is something that Bush might have
thought
about.
Because you morons would have criticized Bush had he done nothing
and
the
40,000 lives lost every year (on average) in Iraq would have
continued.
Do you morons believe that the Iraqi lives are not worth saving?
Because
you
seem to have a problem with this "unexpected""" benefit that seems
to
have
just happened without thought.....

Are you talking about the lives lost due to the US embargo on Iraq?
If so, maybe you can tell us if the embargo is still enacted?

" Tuuk" wrote
Come on,,, get with the program

So, you don't know the answer?

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Are you capable of the answering the question?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
If you are capable of answering the question then please do so.
If you are not capable of answering the question then just admit it and move
on. Thanks.

" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
Did you find it yet,,, or do I need to point it out to you?

should I hold your hand and walk you over to it? Just like they had to do
on
Easter egg hunts for you? Just like they had to do with answer on quizzes
in
school? Lemme know,, I do not mind helping you...... I cannot do
everything
for you ,,, you know.







"Don" wrote in message
...
"Don" wrote
" Tuuk" wrote
You guys should put a poll together,,, ask if the net lives saved
so
far
justifies Bush's agenda? Ask if the figure 40,000 lives murdered
each
year
(on average) that has stopped is something that Bush might have
thought
about.
Because you morons would have criticized Bush had he done nothing
and
the
40,000 lives lost every year (on average) in Iraq would have
continued.
Do you morons believe that the Iraqi lives are not worth saving?
Because
you
seem to have a problem with this "unexpected""" benefit that seems
to
have
just happened without thought.....

Are you talking about the lives lost due to the US embargo on Iraq?
If so, maybe you can tell us if the embargo is still enacted?

" Tuuk" wrote
Come on,,, get with the program

So, you don't know the answer?

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Come on moron,,, I answered the question,,, I am not going to repeat,, I
answered it three times and now because my server has a retention problem
(exactly like yours) and the posts drop off every day,,,, I aint going to
repeat it,,, Grab a history book or read a newspaper beyond the headlines.








"Don" wrote in message
...
Are you capable of the answering the question?
A simple yes or no will suffice.
If you are capable of answering the question then please do so.
If you are not capable of answering the question then just admit it and
move
on. Thanks.

" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
Did you find it yet,,, or do I need to point it out to you?

should I hold your hand and walk you over to it? Just like they had to
do
on
Easter egg hunts for you? Just like they had to do with answer on
quizzes
in
school? Lemme know,, I do not mind helping you...... I cannot do
everything
for you ,,, you know.







"Don" wrote in message
...
"Don" wrote
" Tuuk" wrote
You guys should put a poll together,,, ask if the net lives
saved
so
far
justifies Bush's agenda? Ask if the figure 40,000 lives murdered
each
year
(on average) that has stopped is something that Bush might have
thought
about.
Because you morons would have criticized Bush had he done
nothing
and
the
40,000 lives lost every year (on average) in Iraq would have
continued.
Do you morons believe that the Iraqi lives are not worth saving?
Because
you
seem to have a problem with this "unexpected""" benefit that
seems
to
have
just happened without thought.....

Are you talking about the lives lost due to the US embargo on
Iraq?
If so, maybe you can tell us if the embargo is still enacted?

" Tuuk" wrote
Come on,,, get with the program

So, you don't know the answer?

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" Tuuk" wrote
Come on moron,,, I answered the question,,,

shred

OK.
You have continuously displayed the behavior of an undisciplined child and
now I will reward you accordingly.
You are hereby sent to the corner to contemplate your errant behavior for a
time such as I will decide.
When you have chosen to act as an adult you will be afforded access to my
monitor again.

*plink*

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Ok,, Ok,,, moron,,, I will cut and paste my last post,,, just for your
stupidity,,

2 estimates.

One that over 1 million people, Iraqis, Kuwaitis and Iranians,
were killed by Saddam or during wars that he started during his
roughly 20 year reign of terror. That would mean 50,000 per year.

Another estimate is based on mass graves that have
been uncovered (and widely publicized) containing between 300,000 and
400,000 plus other known atrocities such as Kuwaitis and Kurds, but
doesn't count the dead in the Iraq-Iran war. That comes to 600,000 -
800,000. Again, dividing by 20 means 30,000 to 40,000 per year.


Now how you morons can criticize Bush's agenda of saving lives,, accuse him
of stealing oil,, or not being elected is unknown to me. Even after hearing
16 school children, some in kindergarten were killed this morning by the
terrorists you are supporting. It boggles my mind that you would not be at
least supportive of the U.S. lead coalition objective of eradicating the
world of terrorism.
Is there something about mass graves popping up everywhere that appeals to
you? Does it make you feel more "quality human" ? Do you like to hear of
school children being killed? Why wouldn't you want that stopped? This
disease is spreading rapidly and I hope the U.S. brave soldiers will stop
it. I also support groups like Rotary, Kiwanis, Masons, who pledge to
eradicate the world of polio,,, you morons have something against that
also????

Give your heads a shake,,,,,,













"Don" wrote in message
...
" Tuuk" wrote
Come on moron,,, I answered the question,,,

shred

OK.
You have continuously displayed the behavior of an undisciplined child and
now I will reward you accordingly.
You are hereby sent to the corner to contemplate your errant behavior for
a
time such as I will decide.
When you have chosen to act as an adult you will be afforded access to my
monitor again.

*plink*