John H wrote:

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:21:56 GMT, wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:00:37 -0400, "Don"

wrote:

The receipt of a Purple Heart does not signify a serious wound. A shrapnel

wound

could be a scratch or a lost leg. Both could earn a Purple Heart. If Kerry

was

not hospitalized, the wound could not have been very serious. Serious

wounds

often end up in Walter Reed.

John H


John
Once again you speak of what you do not know.


From AR 600-8-22:

a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United
States to any member of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the
United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity
with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or
killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded-

(1) In any action against an enemy of the United States.

(2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which
the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged.

(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict
against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a
belligerent party.

(4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces.

(5) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force

(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack
against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States,
recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by the
Secretaries of the separate armed services concerned if persons from more
than one service are wounded in the attack.

(7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations while serving
outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.

While clearly an individual decoration, the Purple Heart differs from all
other decorations in that an individual is not "recommended" for the
decoration; rather he or she is entitled to it upon meeting specific
criteria.

(1) A Purple Heart is authorized for the first wound suffered under
conditions indicated above, but for each subsequent award an Oak Leaf
Cluster will be awarded to be worn on the medal or ribbon. Not more than one
award will be made for more than one wound or injury received at the same
instant or from the same missile, force, explosion, or agent.

(2) A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an outside
force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions listed above. A
physical lesion is not required, however, the wound for which the award is
made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of
medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been
made a matter of official record.

(3) When contemplating an award of this decoration, the key issue that
commanders must take into consideration is the degree to which the enemy
caused the injury. The fact that the proposed recipient was participating in
direct or indirect combat operations is a necessary prerequisite, but is not
sole justification for award.

(4) Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly justify award of the
Purple Heart are as follows:
(a) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile
created by enemy action.
(b) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap.
(c) Injury caused by enemy released chemical, biological, or nuclear
agent.
(d) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy
fire.
(e) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy generated
explosions.



And what part of the regulation did I wrongly state? Note that a wound is an
injury (severity is not indicated), and that a physical lesion is *not*
required. Medical treatment is required, as is documentation. This can consist
of a bandage and an annotation in medical records.

When it comes to Purple Hearts, I *do* know of which I speak. I would venture to
say I have had much more experience in that regard than you have had.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


Splinters?

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Al Gore assassinated his own character due to his many failings in life.
Wasn't he kicked out, I mean asked to leave, law school and divinity
school
for lack of performance. And, let's not fogtet that Al claims he invented
the Internet.



It's wise to check Urban Ledgends at Snipes,com before making a post that
shows what an ass you are.

See
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm
C&P in full for your embaressment



Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.
Status: False.

Origins: No,
Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything
that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The derisive "Al Gore said he
'invented' the Internet" put-downs are misleading distortions of something
he said (taken out of context) during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on
CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what
distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential
nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part):


During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in
creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range
of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic
growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.
Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and self-serving), he was not
claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or
implemented it), but that he was responsible for helping to create the
environment (in an economic and legislative sense) that fostered the
development of the Internet. Al Gore might not know nearly as much about the
Internet and other technologies as his image would have us believe, and he
certainly has been guilty of stretching (if not outright breaking) the truth
before, but to believe that Gore seriously thought he could take credit for
the "invention" of the Internet - in the sense offered by the media - is
just silly. (To those who say the words "create" and "invent" mean the same
thing: If they mean the same thing, then why have the media overwhelmingly
and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he "invented" the Internet
when he never used that word? The answer is that the words don't mean the
same thing, but by substituting one word for the other, commentators can
make Gore's claim sound [more] ridiculous.)

However, validating even the lesser claim Gore intended to make is
problematic. Any statement about the "creation" or "beginning" of the
Internet is difficult to evaluate, because the Internet is not a homogenous
entity (it's a collection of computers, networks, protocols, standards, and
application programs), nor did it all spring into being at once (the
components that comprise the Internet were developed in various places at
different times and are continuously being modified, improved, and
expanded). Despite a spirited defense of Gore's claim by Vint Cerf (often
referred to as the "father of the Internet") in which he stated "that as a
Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as
well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it," many
of the components of today's Internet came into being well before Gore's
first term in Congress began in 1977, and it's hard to find any specific
action of Gore's (such as his sponsoring a Congressional bill or championing
a particular piece of legislation) that one could claim helped bring the
Internet into being, much less validate Gore's statement of having taken the
"initiative in creating the Internet."

It's true that Gore was popularizing the term "information superhighway" in
the early 1990s (when few people outside academia or the computer/defense
industries had heard of the Internet) and has introduced a few bills dealing
with education and the Internet, but even though Congressman, Senator, and
Vice-President Gore may always have been interested in and well-informed
about information technology issues, that's a far cry from having taken an
active, vital leadership role in bringing about those technologies. Even if
Al Gore had never entered the political arena, we'd probably still be
reading web pages via the Internet today.

Last updated: 27 September 2000

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Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple

Hearts and

how

he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have

the

guts

to

look for yourself.

1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol.
2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat.
3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh.

Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in

the

hospital for each of his injuries?

You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How
many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take
it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be
an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious
or not.

(Breaking resolution again...)
Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category.

Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and
rotated
back to the world.
So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from reality.


Kerry's wounds were just serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts
which
would allow him to get rotated home early. It appears that Kerry knew
how
the system worked and worked the system to his advantage. Kerry's CO was
probably hoping that he would get his Purple Hearts quickly and go back
stateside so that a real warrior could take his place and not cry every
time
he got a booboo.







And you were exposed to enemy fire where, Bertie?

How many times do I have to repeat myself? I was never exposed to enemy
fire.

What authority grants you the stature to comment on foriegn policy when you
have never worked in a job of that type?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H wrote:

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:21:56 GMT, wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:00:37 -0400, "Don"

wrote:

The receipt of a Purple Heart does not signify a serious wound. A
shrapnel

wound

could be a scratch or a lost leg. Both could earn a Purple Heart. If
Kerry

was

not hospitalized, the wound could not have been very serious. Serious

wounds

often end up in Walter Reed.

John H


John
Once again you speak of what you do not know.


From AR 600-8-22:

a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the
United
States to any member of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the
United States who, while serving under competent authority in any
capacity
with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded
or
killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded-

(1) In any action against an enemy of the United States.

(2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in
which
the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged.

(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed
conflict
against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a
belligerent party.

(4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces.

(5) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force

(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist
attack
against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United
States,
recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by
the
Secretaries of the separate armed services concerned if persons from
more
than one service are wounded in the attack.

(7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations while
serving
outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping
force.

While clearly an individual decoration, the Purple Heart differs from
all
other decorations in that an individual is not "recommended" for the
decoration; rather he or she is entitled to it upon meeting specific
criteria.

(1) A Purple Heart is authorized for the first wound suffered under
conditions indicated above, but for each subsequent award an Oak Leaf
Cluster will be awarded to be worn on the medal or ribbon. Not more than
one
award will be made for more than one wound or injury received at the
same
instant or from the same missile, force, explosion, or agent.

(2) A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an
outside
force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions listed
above. A
physical lesion is not required, however, the wound for which the award
is
made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of
medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have
been
made a matter of official record.

(3) When contemplating an award of this decoration, the key issue that
commanders must take into consideration is the degree to which the enemy
caused the injury. The fact that the proposed recipient was
participating in
direct or indirect combat operations is a necessary prerequisite, but is
not
sole justification for award.

(4) Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly justify award of
the
Purple Heart are as follows:
(a) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile
created by enemy action.
(b) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap.
(c) Injury caused by enemy released chemical, biological, or nuclear
agent.
(d) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from
enemy
fire.
(e) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy generated
explosions.



And what part of the regulation did I wrongly state? Note that a wound
is an
injury (severity is not indicated), and that a physical lesion is *not*
required. Medical treatment is required, as is documentation. This can
consist
of a bandage and an annotation in medical records.

When it comes to Purple Hearts, I *do* know of which I speak. I would
venture to
say I have had much more experience in that regard than you have had.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


Splinters?

Isn't that what Kerry's Purple Hearts were for?

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Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple

Hearts and


how


he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have

the


guts


to


look for yourself.

1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol.
2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat.
3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh.

Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in

the


hospital for each of his injuries?

You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How
many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I
take
it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to
be
an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious
or not.

(Breaking resolution again...)
Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter
category.

Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and

rotated

back to the world.
So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from
reality.


Kerry's wounds were just serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts

which

would allow him to get rotated home early. It appears that Kerry knew

how

the system worked and worked the system to his advantage. Kerry's CO
was
probably hoping that he would get his Purple Hearts quickly and go back
stateside so that a real warrior could take his place and not cry every

time

he got a booboo.







And you were exposed to enemy fire where, Bertie?


How many times do I have to repeat myself? I was never exposed to enemy
fire.

What authority grants you the stature to comment on foriegn policy when
you
have never worked in a job of that type?



Oh, but I have...in SE Asia, as an employee of the US government. It
definitely was a foreign policy job.

What was your position title, job classification and what pay level?

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Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple

Hearts and



how



he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have

the



guts



to



look for yourself.

1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol.
2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat.
3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh.

Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in

the



hospital for each of his injuries?

You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How
many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I

take

it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to

be

an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious
or not.

(Breaking resolution again...)
Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter

category.

Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and

rotated


back to the world.
So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from

reality.


Kerry's wounds were just serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts

which


would allow him to get rotated home early. It appears that Kerry knew

how


the system worked and worked the system to his advantage. Kerry's CO

was

probably hoping that he would get his Purple Hearts quickly and go back
stateside so that a real warrior could take his place and not cry every

time


he got a booboo.







And you were exposed to enemy fire where, Bertie?


How many times do I have to repeat myself? I was never exposed to enemy
fire.

What authority grants you the stature to comment on foriegn policy when

you

have never worked in a job of that type?




Oh, but I have...in SE Asia, as an employee of the US government. It
definitely was a foreign policy job.


What was your position title, job classification and what pay level?




I don't think the job is open any longer, Bertie.

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Oh, but I have...in SE Asia, as an employee of the US government. It
definitely was a foreign policy job.


What was your position title, job classification and what pay level?




I don't think the job is open any longer, Bertie.

Meaning that the job was not real, never existed and you have been found to
be telling another lie.

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On 19 Apr 2004 04:16:26 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

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"Bill" wrote in message
Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple
Hearts and
how
he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have
the
guts
to
look for yourself.

1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol.
2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat.
3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh.

Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in
the
hospital for each of his injuries?

You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How
many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take
it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be
an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious
or not.

(Breaking resolution again...)
Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category.

Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and rotated
back to the world.
So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from reality.

It was Dec. 2, 1968, and Lt. j.g. John Kerry was on a special nighttime
covert mission in Vietnam. He had been ordered into a Viet Cong-infested
peninsula north of Cam Ranh Bay to disrupt a smuggling operation. His
vessel
was a Boston Whaler, a boat that could float after taking 1,000 rounds of
automatic weapons fire. Much of the evening was spent apprehending
fishermen
in a curfew zone. At approximately 2 a.m., however, they proceeded up an
inlet with wild jungle on both sides of the boat. As they approached a
bay,
Kerry's whaler fired flares into the air. To their horror, not far from
them, were a startled group of Viet Cong smugglers trafficking in
contraband.
"We opened fire," Kerry told me in a Jan. 30, 2003, interview. "The light
from the flares started to fade, the air was full of explosions. My M-16
jammed, and as I bent down to grab another gun, a stinging piece of heat
socked into my arm and just seemed to burn like hell. By this time one of
the sailors had started the engine and we ran by the beach strafing it.
Then
it was quiet."


The receipt of a Purple Heart does not signify a serious wound. A shrapnel
wound
could be a scratch or a lost leg. Both could earn a Purple Heart. If Kerry
was
not hospitalized, the wound could not have been very serious. Serious
wounds
often end up in Walter Reed.

Tomorrow, 20 APR 2004, will be the 29th anniversary of my having spent 6
weeks in a hospital in traction, 3 months in a wheelchair and 4 more months
on crutches, while serving in the Army on foreign soil. Would that have
qualified, in your opinion, as a serious injury?

"John H" wrote
When it comes to Purple Hearts, I *do* know of which I speak. I would
venture to
say I have had much more experience in that regard than you have had.

You're sounding like the black knight on Monty Python that had his arms and
legs cut off and still talked like a badass. LOL

ARTHUR:
You fight with the strength of many men, Sir Knight.
I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
I seek the finest and the bravest knights in the land to join me in my court
at Camelot.
You have proved yourself worthy. Will you join me?
You make me sad. So be it. Come, Patsy.

BLACK KNIGHT:
None shall pass.

ARTHUR:
What?

BLACK KNIGHT:
None shall pass.

ARTHUR:
I have no quarrel with you, good Sir Knight, but I must cross this bridge.

BLACK KNIGHT:
Then you shall die.

ARTHUR:
I command you, as King of the Britons, to stand aside!

BLACK KNIGHT:
I move for no man.

ARTHUR:
So be it!

ARTHUR and BLACK KNIGHT:
Aaah!, hiyaah!, etc.
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off]

ARTHUR:
Now stand aside, worthy adversary.

BLACK KNIGHT:
'Tis but a scratch.

ARTHUR:
A scratch? Your arm's off!

BLACK KNIGHT:
No, it isn't.

ARTHUR:
Well, what's that, then?

BLACK KNIGHT:
I've had worse.

ARTHUR:
You liar!

BLACK KNIGHT:
Come on, you pansy!
[clang]
Huyah!
[clang]
Hiyaah!
[clang]
Aaaaaaaah!
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off]

ARTHUR:
Victory is mine!
We thank Thee Lord, that in Thy mer--

BLACK KNIGHT:
Hah!
Come on, then.

ARTHUR:
What?

BLACK KNIGHT:
Have at you!

ARTHUR:
Eh. You are indeed brave, Sir Knight, but the fight is mine.

BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh, had enough, eh?

ARTHUR:
Look, you stupid *******. You've got no arms left.

BLACK KNIGHT:
Yes, I have.

ARTHUR:
Look!

BLACK KNIGHT:
Just a flesh wound.

ARTHUR:
Look, stop that.

BLACK KNIGHT:
Chicken!
[kick]
Chickennn!
ARTHUR:
Look, I'll have your leg.
[kick]
Right!
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right leg off]

BLACK KNIGHT:
Right. I'll do you for that!

ARTHUR:
You'll what?

BLACK KNIGHT:
Come here!

ARTHUR:
What are you going to do, bleed on me?

BLACK KNIGHT:
I'm invincible!

ARTHUR:
You're a looney.

BLACK KNIGHT:
The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you! Come on, then.
[whop]
[ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's last leg off]

BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh? All right, we'll call it a draw.

ARTHUR:
Come, Patsy.

BLACK KNIGHT:
Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow *******s! Come back here and
take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off!

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Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple
Hearts and
how
he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have
the
guts
to
look for yourself.

1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol.
2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat.
3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh.

Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in
the
hospital for each of his injuries?

You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How
many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take
it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be
an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious
or not.

(Breaking resolution again...)
Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category.

Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and
rotated
back to the world.
So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from reality.

Kerry's wounds were just serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts
which
would allow him to get rotated home early. It appears that Kerry knew how
the system worked and worked the system to his advantage.

LOL
Translation: Kerry actually went to war while *my guy* went AWOL.
whaaaaaaa.....

Kerry's CO was
probably hoping that he would get his Purple Hearts quickly and go back
stateside so that a real warrior could take his place and not cry every
time
he got a booboo.

Get some new material, please, even if you have to buy it.