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( OT ) Democratic club's ad suggests shooting Rumsfeld Kerrycampaign, c
John H wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:21:56 GMT, wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:00:37 -0400, "Don" wrote: The receipt of a Purple Heart does not signify a serious wound. A shrapnel wound could be a scratch or a lost leg. Both could earn a Purple Heart. If Kerry was not hospitalized, the wound could not have been very serious. Serious wounds often end up in Walter Reed. John H John Once again you speak of what you do not know. From AR 600-8-22: a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded- (1) In any action against an enemy of the United States. (2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged. (3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party. (4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces. (5) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force (6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by the Secretaries of the separate armed services concerned if persons from more than one service are wounded in the attack. (7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations while serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force. While clearly an individual decoration, the Purple Heart differs from all other decorations in that an individual is not "recommended" for the decoration; rather he or she is entitled to it upon meeting specific criteria. (1) A Purple Heart is authorized for the first wound suffered under conditions indicated above, but for each subsequent award an Oak Leaf Cluster will be awarded to be worn on the medal or ribbon. Not more than one award will be made for more than one wound or injury received at the same instant or from the same missile, force, explosion, or agent. (2) A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an outside force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions listed above. A physical lesion is not required, however, the wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been made a matter of official record. (3) When contemplating an award of this decoration, the key issue that commanders must take into consideration is the degree to which the enemy caused the injury. The fact that the proposed recipient was participating in direct or indirect combat operations is a necessary prerequisite, but is not sole justification for award. (4) Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly justify award of the Purple Heart are as follows: (a) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile created by enemy action. (b) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap. (c) Injury caused by enemy released chemical, biological, or nuclear agent. (d) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy fire. (e) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy generated explosions. And what part of the regulation did I wrongly state? Note that a wound is an injury (severity is not indicated), and that a physical lesion is *not* required. Medical treatment is required, as is documentation. This can consist of a bandage and an annotation in medical records. When it comes to Purple Hearts, I *do* know of which I speak. I would venture to say I have had much more experience in that regard than you have had. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! Splinters? |
( OT ) Democratic club's ad suggests shooting Rumsfeld Kerry campaign, c
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "DSK" wrote in message . .. Al Gore assassinated his own character due to his many failings in life. Wasn't he kicked out, I mean asked to leave, law school and divinity school for lack of performance. And, let's not fogtet that Al claims he invented the Internet. It's wise to check Urban Ledgends at Snipes,com before making a post that shows what an ass you are. See http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm C&P in full for your embaressment Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet. Status: False. Origins: No, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The derisive "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs are misleading distortions of something he said (taken out of context) during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part): During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible for helping to create the environment (in an economic and legislative sense) that fostered the development of the Internet. Al Gore might not know nearly as much about the Internet and other technologies as his image would have us believe, and he certainly has been guilty of stretching (if not outright breaking) the truth before, but to believe that Gore seriously thought he could take credit for the "invention" of the Internet - in the sense offered by the media - is just silly. (To those who say the words "create" and "invent" mean the same thing: If they mean the same thing, then why have the media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he "invented" the Internet when he never used that word? The answer is that the words don't mean the same thing, but by substituting one word for the other, commentators can make Gore's claim sound [more] ridiculous.) However, validating even the lesser claim Gore intended to make is problematic. Any statement about the "creation" or "beginning" of the Internet is difficult to evaluate, because the Internet is not a homogenous entity (it's a collection of computers, networks, protocols, standards, and application programs), nor did it all spring into being at once (the components that comprise the Internet were developed in various places at different times and are continuously being modified, improved, and expanded). Despite a spirited defense of Gore's claim by Vint Cerf (often referred to as the "father of the Internet") in which he stated "that as a Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it," many of the components of today's Internet came into being well before Gore's first term in Congress began in 1977, and it's hard to find any specific action of Gore's (such as his sponsoring a Congressional bill or championing a particular piece of legislation) that one could claim helped bring the Internet into being, much less validate Gore's statement of having taken the "initiative in creating the Internet." It's true that Gore was popularizing the term "information superhighway" in the early 1990s (when few people outside academia or the computer/defense industries had heard of the Internet) and has introduced a few bills dealing with education and the Internet, but even though Congressman, Senator, and Vice-President Gore may always have been interested in and well-informed about information technology issues, that's a far cry from having taken an active, vital leadership role in bringing about those technologies. Even if Al Gore had never entered the political arena, we'd probably still be reading web pages via the Internet today. Last updated: 27 September 2000 |
( OT ) Democratic club's ad suggests shooting Rumsfeld Kerry campaign, c
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Don" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message . .. On 19 Apr 2004 04:16:26 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: "Joe" wrote in message . .. "basskisser" wrote in message gle.com... "Bill" wrote in message Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple Hearts and how he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have the guts to look for yourself. 1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol. 2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat. 3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh. Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in the hospital for each of his injuries? You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious or not. (Breaking resolution again...) Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category. Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and rotated back to the world. So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from reality. Kerry's wounds were just serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts which would allow him to get rotated home early. It appears that Kerry knew how the system worked and worked the system to his advantage. Kerry's CO was probably hoping that he would get his Purple Hearts quickly and go back stateside so that a real warrior could take his place and not cry every time he got a booboo. And you were exposed to enemy fire where, Bertie? How many times do I have to repeat myself? I was never exposed to enemy fire. What authority grants you the stature to comment on foriegn policy when you have never worked in a job of that type? |
( OT ) Democratic club's ad suggests shooting Rumsfeld Kerry campaign, c
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H wrote: On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:21:56 GMT, wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:00:37 -0400, "Don" wrote: The receipt of a Purple Heart does not signify a serious wound. A shrapnel wound could be a scratch or a lost leg. Both could earn a Purple Heart. If Kerry was not hospitalized, the wound could not have been very serious. Serious wounds often end up in Walter Reed. John H John Once again you speak of what you do not know. From AR 600-8-22: a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded- (1) In any action against an enemy of the United States. (2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged. (3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party. (4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces. (5) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force (6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States, recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by the Secretaries of the separate armed services concerned if persons from more than one service are wounded in the attack. (7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations while serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force. While clearly an individual decoration, the Purple Heart differs from all other decorations in that an individual is not "recommended" for the decoration; rather he or she is entitled to it upon meeting specific criteria. (1) A Purple Heart is authorized for the first wound suffered under conditions indicated above, but for each subsequent award an Oak Leaf Cluster will be awarded to be worn on the medal or ribbon. Not more than one award will be made for more than one wound or injury received at the same instant or from the same missile, force, explosion, or agent. (2) A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an outside force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions listed above. A physical lesion is not required, however, the wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been made a matter of official record. (3) When contemplating an award of this decoration, the key issue that commanders must take into consideration is the degree to which the enemy caused the injury. The fact that the proposed recipient was participating in direct or indirect combat operations is a necessary prerequisite, but is not sole justification for award. (4) Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly justify award of the Purple Heart are as follows: (a) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile created by enemy action. (b) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap. (c) Injury caused by enemy released chemical, biological, or nuclear agent. (d) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy fire. (e) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy generated explosions. And what part of the regulation did I wrongly state? Note that a wound is an injury (severity is not indicated), and that a physical lesion is *not* required. Medical treatment is required, as is documentation. This can consist of a bandage and an annotation in medical records. When it comes to Purple Hearts, I *do* know of which I speak. I would venture to say I have had much more experience in that regard than you have had. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! Splinters? Isn't that what Kerry's Purple Hearts were for? |
( OT ) Democratic club's ad suggests shooting Rumsfeld Kerry campaign, c
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Don" wrote in message . .. "John H" wrote in message m... On 19 Apr 2004 04:16:26 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message oogle.com... "Bill" wrote in message Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple Hearts and how he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have the guts to look for yourself. 1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol. 2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat. 3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh. Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in the hospital for each of his injuries? You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious or not. (Breaking resolution again...) Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category. Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and rotated back to the world. So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from reality. Kerry's wounds were just serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts which would allow him to get rotated home early. It appears that Kerry knew how the system worked and worked the system to his advantage. Kerry's CO was probably hoping that he would get his Purple Hearts quickly and go back stateside so that a real warrior could take his place and not cry every time he got a booboo. And you were exposed to enemy fire where, Bertie? How many times do I have to repeat myself? I was never exposed to enemy fire. What authority grants you the stature to comment on foriegn policy when you have never worked in a job of that type? Oh, but I have...in SE Asia, as an employee of the US government. It definitely was a foreign policy job. What was your position title, job classification and what pay level? |
( OT ) Democratic club's ad suggests shooting Rumsfeld Kerrycampaign, c
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Don" wrote in message . .. "John H" wrote in message news:6d98809egp6qaar0tkdvts6eag8qbrd82v@4ax. com... On 19 Apr 2004 04:16:26 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: "Joe" wrote in message et... "basskisser" wrote in message news:3c74f111.0404150857.4dbb9bd9@posting .google.com... "Bill" wrote in message Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple Hearts and how he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have the guts to look for yourself. 1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol. 2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat. 3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh. Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in the hospital for each of his injuries? You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious or not. (Breaking resolution again...) Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category. Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and rotated back to the world. So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from reality. Kerry's wounds were just serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts which would allow him to get rotated home early. It appears that Kerry knew how the system worked and worked the system to his advantage. Kerry's CO was probably hoping that he would get his Purple Hearts quickly and go back stateside so that a real warrior could take his place and not cry every time he got a booboo. And you were exposed to enemy fire where, Bertie? How many times do I have to repeat myself? I was never exposed to enemy fire. What authority grants you the stature to comment on foriegn policy when you have never worked in a job of that type? Oh, but I have...in SE Asia, as an employee of the US government. It definitely was a foreign policy job. What was your position title, job classification and what pay level? I don't think the job is open any longer, Bertie. |
( OT ) Democratic club's ad suggests shooting Rumsfeld Kerry campaign, c
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Bert Robbins wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Oh, but I have...in SE Asia, as an employee of the US government. It definitely was a foreign policy job. What was your position title, job classification and what pay level? I don't think the job is open any longer, Bertie. Meaning that the job was not real, never existed and you have been found to be telling another lie. |
( OT ) Democratic club's ad suggests shooting Rumsfeld Kerry campaign, c
"John H" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:00:37 -0400, "Don" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On 19 Apr 2004 04:16:26 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: "Joe" wrote in message .. . "basskisser" wrote in message om... "Bill" wrote in message Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple Hearts and how he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have the guts to look for yourself. 1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol. 2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat. 3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh. Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in the hospital for each of his injuries? You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious or not. (Breaking resolution again...) Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category. Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and rotated back to the world. So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from reality. It was Dec. 2, 1968, and Lt. j.g. John Kerry was on a special nighttime covert mission in Vietnam. He had been ordered into a Viet Cong-infested peninsula north of Cam Ranh Bay to disrupt a smuggling operation. His vessel was a Boston Whaler, a boat that could float after taking 1,000 rounds of automatic weapons fire. Much of the evening was spent apprehending fishermen in a curfew zone. At approximately 2 a.m., however, they proceeded up an inlet with wild jungle on both sides of the boat. As they approached a bay, Kerry's whaler fired flares into the air. To their horror, not far from them, were a startled group of Viet Cong smugglers trafficking in contraband. "We opened fire," Kerry told me in a Jan. 30, 2003, interview. "The light from the flares started to fade, the air was full of explosions. My M-16 jammed, and as I bent down to grab another gun, a stinging piece of heat socked into my arm and just seemed to burn like hell. By this time one of the sailors had started the engine and we ran by the beach strafing it. Then it was quiet." The receipt of a Purple Heart does not signify a serious wound. A shrapnel wound could be a scratch or a lost leg. Both could earn a Purple Heart. If Kerry was not hospitalized, the wound could not have been very serious. Serious wounds often end up in Walter Reed. Tomorrow, 20 APR 2004, will be the 29th anniversary of my having spent 6 weeks in a hospital in traction, 3 months in a wheelchair and 4 more months on crutches, while serving in the Army on foreign soil. Would that have qualified, in your opinion, as a serious injury? |
( OT ) Democratic club's ad suggests shooting Rumsfeld Kerry campaign, c
"John H" wrote
When it comes to Purple Hearts, I *do* know of which I speak. I would venture to say I have had much more experience in that regard than you have had. You're sounding like the black knight on Monty Python that had his arms and legs cut off and still talked like a badass. LOL ARTHUR: You fight with the strength of many men, Sir Knight. I am Arthur, King of the Britons. I seek the finest and the bravest knights in the land to join me in my court at Camelot. You have proved yourself worthy. Will you join me? You make me sad. So be it. Come, Patsy. BLACK KNIGHT: None shall pass. ARTHUR: What? BLACK KNIGHT: None shall pass. ARTHUR: I have no quarrel with you, good Sir Knight, but I must cross this bridge. BLACK KNIGHT: Then you shall die. ARTHUR: I command you, as King of the Britons, to stand aside! BLACK KNIGHT: I move for no man. ARTHUR: So be it! ARTHUR and BLACK KNIGHT: Aaah!, hiyaah!, etc. [ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off] ARTHUR: Now stand aside, worthy adversary. BLACK KNIGHT: 'Tis but a scratch. ARTHUR: A scratch? Your arm's off! BLACK KNIGHT: No, it isn't. ARTHUR: Well, what's that, then? BLACK KNIGHT: I've had worse. ARTHUR: You liar! BLACK KNIGHT: Come on, you pansy! [clang] Huyah! [clang] Hiyaah! [clang] Aaaaaaaah! [ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off] ARTHUR: Victory is mine! We thank Thee Lord, that in Thy mer-- BLACK KNIGHT: Hah! Come on, then. ARTHUR: What? BLACK KNIGHT: Have at you! ARTHUR: Eh. You are indeed brave, Sir Knight, but the fight is mine. BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, had enough, eh? ARTHUR: Look, you stupid *******. You've got no arms left. BLACK KNIGHT: Yes, I have. ARTHUR: Look! BLACK KNIGHT: Just a flesh wound. ARTHUR: Look, stop that. BLACK KNIGHT: Chicken! [kick] Chickennn! ARTHUR: Look, I'll have your leg. [kick] Right! [whop] [ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right leg off] BLACK KNIGHT: Right. I'll do you for that! ARTHUR: You'll what? BLACK KNIGHT: Come here! ARTHUR: What are you going to do, bleed on me? BLACK KNIGHT: I'm invincible! ARTHUR: You're a looney. BLACK KNIGHT: The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you! Come on, then. [whop] [ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's last leg off] BLACK KNIGHT: Oh? All right, we'll call it a draw. ARTHUR: Come, Patsy. BLACK KNIGHT: Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow *******s! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off! |
( OT ) Democratic club's ad suggests shooting Rumsfeld Kerry campaign, c
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message ... "Don" wrote in message ... "John H" wrote in message ... On 19 Apr 2004 04:16:26 -0700, (basskisser) wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message om... "Bill" wrote in message Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple Hearts and how he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have the guts to look for yourself. 1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol. 2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat. 3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh. Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in the hospital for each of his injuries? You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious or not. (Breaking resolution again...) Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category. Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and rotated back to the world. So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from reality. Kerry's wounds were just serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts which would allow him to get rotated home early. It appears that Kerry knew how the system worked and worked the system to his advantage. LOL Translation: Kerry actually went to war while *my guy* went AWOL. whaaaaaaa..... Kerry's CO was probably hoping that he would get his Purple Hearts quickly and go back stateside so that a real warrior could take his place and not cry every time he got a booboo. Get some new material, please, even if you have to buy it. |
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