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"basskisser" wrote in message

I see that you, among other things, ....are also homophobic, huh?

What did Bill say to make you think he is fearful of homosexuals?

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Bert Robbins wrote:
A tour of duty in Vietname was not accomplished while on a ship at sea

Oh really? Is going AWOL in Alabama considered "combat duty" under your
criteria?


thunder wrote:
As I said, Kerry's first tour was aboard the USS Gridley. Apparently, I
am not the only one who believes his Gridley service qualifies. I just
Googled Kerry "first tour" and came back with 4,400 hits.

Not necessarily proof. You can google "George W. Bush Jr." and +
bestiality, and come up with several hundred hits, but that doesn't
prove he has had sex with animals.

THere are a large number of people who are not interested in facts.
Since the character assassination of Al Gore worked so well, the fascist
cretins are trying it again... and to their discredit, a large number of
otherwise respectable Republicans are willing to go along with the game
if it offers them a chance of winning.

DSK

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On 19 Apr 2004 04:16:26 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Bill" wrote in message
Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple Hearts and
how
he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have the guts
to
look for yourself.

1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol.
2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat.
3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh.

Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in the
hospital for each of his injuries?

You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How
many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take
it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be
an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious
or not.

(Breaking resolution again...)
Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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"John H" wrote in message
...
On 19 Apr 2004 04:16:26 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Bill" wrote in message
Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple
Hearts and
how
he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have the
guts
to
look for yourself.

1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol.
2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat.
3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh.

Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in the
hospital for each of his injuries?

You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How
many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take
it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be
an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious
or not.

(Breaking resolution again...)
Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category.

Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and rotated
back to the world.
So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from reality.

It was Dec. 2, 1968, and Lt. j.g. John Kerry was on a special nighttime
covert mission in Vietnam. He had been ordered into a Viet Cong-infested
peninsula north of Cam Ranh Bay to disrupt a smuggling operation. His vessel
was a Boston Whaler, a boat that could float after taking 1,000 rounds of
automatic weapons fire. Much of the evening was spent apprehending fishermen
in a curfew zone. At approximately 2 a.m., however, they proceeded up an
inlet with wild jungle on both sides of the boat. As they approached a bay,
Kerry's whaler fired flares into the air. To their horror, not far from
them, were a startled group of Viet Cong smugglers trafficking in
contraband.
"We opened fire," Kerry told me in a Jan. 30, 2003, interview. "The light
from the flares started to fade, the air was full of explosions. My M-16
jammed, and as I bent down to grab another gun, a stinging piece of heat
socked into my arm and just seemed to burn like hell. By this time one of
the sailors had started the engine and we ran by the beach strafing it. Then
it was quiet."

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:00:37 -0400, "Don" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On 19 Apr 2004 04:16:26 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
.. .
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Bill" wrote in message
Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple
Hearts and
how
he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have the
guts
to
look for yourself.

1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol.
2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat.
3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh.

Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in the
hospital for each of his injuries?

You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How
many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take
it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be
an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious
or not.

(Breaking resolution again...)
Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category.

Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and rotated
back to the world.
So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from reality.

It was Dec. 2, 1968, and Lt. j.g. John Kerry was on a special nighttime
covert mission in Vietnam. He had been ordered into a Viet Cong-infested
peninsula north of Cam Ranh Bay to disrupt a smuggling operation. His vessel
was a Boston Whaler, a boat that could float after taking 1,000 rounds of
automatic weapons fire. Much of the evening was spent apprehending fishermen
in a curfew zone. At approximately 2 a.m., however, they proceeded up an
inlet with wild jungle on both sides of the boat. As they approached a bay,
Kerry's whaler fired flares into the air. To their horror, not far from
them, were a startled group of Viet Cong smugglers trafficking in
contraband.
"We opened fire," Kerry told me in a Jan. 30, 2003, interview. "The light
from the flares started to fade, the air was full of explosions. My M-16
jammed, and as I bent down to grab another gun, a stinging piece of heat
socked into my arm and just seemed to burn like hell. By this time one of
the sailors had started the engine and we ran by the beach strafing it. Then
it was quiet."


The receipt of a Purple Heart does not signify a serious wound. A shrapnel wound
could be a scratch or a lost leg. Both could earn a Purple Heart. If Kerry was
not hospitalized, the wound could not have been very serious. Serious wounds
often end up in Walter Reed.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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"John H" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:00:37 -0400, "Don"
wrote:
The receipt of a Purple Heart does not signify a serious wound. A shrapnel
wound
could be a scratch or a lost leg. Both could earn a Purple Heart. If Kerry
was
not hospitalized, the wound could not have been very serious. Serious
wounds
often end up in Walter Reed.

John H


John
Once again you speak of what you do not know.

From AR 600-8-22:

a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United
States to any member of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the
United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity
with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or
killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded-

(1) In any action against an enemy of the United States.

(2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which
the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged.

(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict
against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a
belligerent party.

(4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces.

(5) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force

(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack
against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States,
recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by the
Secretaries of the separate armed services concerned if persons from more
than one service are wounded in the attack.

(7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations while serving
outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.

While clearly an individual decoration, the Purple Heart differs from all
other decorations in that an individual is not "recommended" for the
decoration; rather he or she is entitled to it upon meeting specific
criteria.

(1) A Purple Heart is authorized for the first wound suffered under
conditions indicated above, but for each subsequent award an Oak Leaf
Cluster will be awarded to be worn on the medal or ribbon. Not more than one
award will be made for more than one wound or injury received at the same
instant or from the same missile, force, explosion, or agent.

(2) A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an outside
force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions listed above. A
physical lesion is not required, however, the wound for which the award is
made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of
medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been
made a matter of official record.

(3) When contemplating an award of this decoration, the key issue that
commanders must take into consideration is the degree to which the enemy
caused the injury. The fact that the proposed recipient was participating in
direct or indirect combat operations is a necessary prerequisite, but is not
sole justification for award.

(4) Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly justify award of the
Purple Heart are as follows:
(a) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile
created by enemy action.
(b) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap.
(c) Injury caused by enemy released chemical, biological, or nuclear
agent.
(d) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy
fire.
(e) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy generated
explosions.

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"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On 19 Apr 2004 04:16:26 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Bill" wrote in message
Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple
Hearts and
how
he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have
the
guts
to
look for yourself.

1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol.
2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat.
3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh.

Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in
the
hospital for each of his injuries?

You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How
many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take
it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be
an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious
or not.

(Breaking resolution again...)
Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category.

Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and rotated
back to the world.
So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from reality.

Kerry's wounds were just serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts which
would allow him to get rotated home early. It appears that Kerry knew how
the system worked and worked the system to his advantage. Kerry's CO was
probably hoping that he would get his Purple Hearts quickly and go back
stateside so that a real warrior could take his place and not cry every time
he got a booboo.

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"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Bert Robbins wrote:
A tour of duty in Vietname was not accomplished while on a ship at sea

Oh really? Is going AWOL in Alabama considered "combat duty" under your
criteria?


thunder wrote:
As I said, Kerry's first tour was aboard the USS Gridley. Apparently, I
am not the only one who believes his Gridley service qualifies. I just
Googled Kerry "first tour" and came back with 4,400 hits.

Not necessarily proof. You can google "George W. Bush Jr." and +
bestiality, and come up with several hundred hits, but that doesn't
prove he has had sex with animals.

THere are a large number of people who are not interested in facts.
Since the character assassination of Al Gore worked so well, the fascist
cretins are trying it again... and to their discredit, a large number of
otherwise respectable Republicans are willing to go along with the game
if it offers them a chance of winning.

Al Gore assassinated his own character due to his many failings in life.
Wasn't he kicked out, I mean asked to leave, law school and divinity school
for lack of performance. And, let's not fogtet that Al claims he invented
the Internet.

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Bert Robbins wrote:

"Don" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
. ..

On 19 Apr 2004 04:16:26 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:


"Joe" wrote in message

. ..

"basskisser" wrote in message
gle.com...

"Bill" wrote in message

Oh yea Asskisser and Harry you need to look at Kerry's Purple

Hearts and

how

he got them.. Just a little fact finding mission.or do you have

the

guts

to

look for yourself.

1. Gunshot wound,left arm, in a firefight on river patrol.
2. Shrapnel wound, right arm, bomb near patrol boat.
3. Shrapnel wound, left thigh.

Wow! Those sound like some serious wounds. How long did he spend in

the

hospital for each of his injuries?

You don't consider shrapnel wounds, and gunshot wounds serious? How
many times, and what types of combat injuries did YOU receive? I take
it you must have some, because above, you've qualified yourself to be
an expert, and subsequently deem gunshot and shrapnel wounds serious
or not.

(Breaking resolution again...)
Some wounds are serious, some aren't. His fall in the latter category.

Well, they were serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts and rotated
back to the world.
So in essence, your opinion seems to be politically skewed from reality.


Kerry's wounds were just serious enough to get him a few Purple Hearts which
would allow him to get rotated home early. It appears that Kerry knew how
the system worked and worked the system to his advantage. Kerry's CO was
probably hoping that he would get his Purple Hearts quickly and go back
stateside so that a real warrior could take his place and not cry every time
he got a booboo.







And you were exposed to enemy fire where, Bertie?

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:21:56 GMT, wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:00:37 -0400, "Don"
wrote:
The receipt of a Purple Heart does not signify a serious wound. A shrapnel
wound
could be a scratch or a lost leg. Both could earn a Purple Heart. If Kerry
was
not hospitalized, the wound could not have been very serious. Serious
wounds
often end up in Walter Reed.

John H


John
Once again you speak of what you do not know.

From AR 600-8-22:

a. The Purple Heart is awarded in the name of the President of the United
States to any member of an Armed Force or any civilian national of the
United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity
with one of the U.S. Armed Services after 5 April 1917, has been wounded or
killed, or who has died or may hereafter die after being wounded-

(1) In any action against an enemy of the United States.

(2) In any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in which
the Armed Forces of the United States are or have been engaged.

(3) While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict
against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a
belligerent party.

(4) As a result of an act of any such enemy of opposing armed forces.

(5) As the result of an act of any hostile foreign force

(6) After 28 March 1973, as a result of an international terrorist attack
against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the United States,
recognized as such an attack by the Secretary of the Army, or jointly by the
Secretaries of the separate armed services concerned if persons from more
than one service are wounded in the attack.

(7) After 28 March 1973, as a result of military operations while serving
outside the territory of the United States as part of a peacekeeping force.

While clearly an individual decoration, the Purple Heart differs from all
other decorations in that an individual is not "recommended" for the
decoration; rather he or she is entitled to it upon meeting specific
criteria.

(1) A Purple Heart is authorized for the first wound suffered under
conditions indicated above, but for each subsequent award an Oak Leaf
Cluster will be awarded to be worn on the medal or ribbon. Not more than one
award will be made for more than one wound or injury received at the same
instant or from the same missile, force, explosion, or agent.

(2) A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an outside
force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions listed above. A
physical lesion is not required, however, the wound for which the award is
made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of
medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been
made a matter of official record.

(3) When contemplating an award of this decoration, the key issue that
commanders must take into consideration is the degree to which the enemy
caused the injury. The fact that the proposed recipient was participating in
direct or indirect combat operations is a necessary prerequisite, but is not
sole justification for award.

(4) Examples of enemy-related injuries which clearly justify award of the
Purple Heart are as follows:
(a) Injury caused by enemy bullet, shrapnel, or other projectile
created by enemy action.
(b) Injury caused by enemy placed mine or trap.
(c) Injury caused by enemy released chemical, biological, or nuclear
agent.
(d) Injury caused by vehicle or aircraft accident resulting from enemy
fire.
(e) Concussion injuries caused as a result of enemy generated
explosions.


And what part of the regulation did I wrongly state? Note that a wound is an
injury (severity is not indicated), and that a physical lesion is *not*
required. Medical treatment is required, as is documentation. This can consist
of a bandage and an annotation in medical records.

When it comes to Purple Hearts, I *do* know of which I speak. I would venture to
say I have had much more experience in that regard than you have had.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!