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Don White April 8th 04 03:21 PM

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Just when you thought it couldn't get worse...what with the folly in Iraq,
Janet's tit, gay marriages and legalized marijuana.
Now the 'Trailer Park Boys' may be invading your TV.

If you get the BBC America digital channel, keep an eye out. A local
production company is ready to corrupt impressionable American youth with
cussin', dirty talk, smoking, drinking & lots of gun play.
see *** http://www.cbc.ca/arts/features/trailerpark/ ***

Wait a minute.......I think Americans taught us all the above vices.........
probably won't play too well in Florida or Texas....the program will seem
too ordinary...too lifelike.



Tony BenBrahim April 8th 04 09:27 PM

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"Don White" wrote in
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Now the 'Trailer Park Boys' may be invading your TV.

probably won't play too well in Florida or Texas....the
program will seem too ordinary...too lifelike.


Hey careful with the stereotypes of Texas and Florida.
Unless you want Canucks to be judged by the Red Green Show.

Don White April 8th 04 10:40 PM

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Tony BenBrahim wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in
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Hey careful with the stereotypes of Texas and Florida.
Unless you want Canucks to be judged by the Red Green Show.


Point made. I'm just jabbing at a couple of belligerent posters who happen
to be from those states.



Henry Blackmoore April 9th 04 02:43 AM

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In article , "Don White" wrote:
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"Don White" wrote in
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Hey careful with the stereotypes of Texas and Florida.
Unless you want Canucks to be judged by the Red Green Show.


Point made. I'm just jabbing at a couple of belligerent posters who happen
to be from those states.


Belligerence? I kind of like that word but it is still too mild to describe
those of use who abhor things like gun-control, Democrats, United Nations,
socialist ideals, Hillary Clinton etc.. etc..

Surely you can do better?


Henry Blackmoore April 9th 04 02:45 AM

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In article , "Don White" wrote:

Just when you thought it couldn't get worse...what with the folly in Iraq,
Janet's tit, gay marriages and legalized marijuana.
Now the 'Trailer Park Boys' may be invading your TV.

If you get the BBC America digital channel, keep an eye out. A local
production company is ready to corrupt impressionable American youth with
cussin', dirty talk, smoking, drinking & lots of gun play.
see *** http://www.cbc.ca/arts/features/trailerpark/ ***

Wait a minute.......I think Americans taught us all the above vices.........
probably won't play too well in Florida or Texas....the program will seem
too ordinary...too lifelike.


It's all too obvious that you have never visited Florida or Texas.

NOYB April 9th 04 03:06 AM

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"Don White" wrote in message
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Tony BenBrahim wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in
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Hey careful with the stereotypes of Texas and Florida.
Unless you want Canucks to be judged by the Red Green Show.


Point made. I'm just jabbing at a couple of belligerent posters who happen
to be from those states.


I'm hardly "from" Florida. In fact, most Floridians aren't "from" Florida.
I *do* currently reside there however. I've lived in the Northeast, the
Midwest, and Florida...and like Florida the best. That's why I'm here.
Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?



Don White April 9th 04 03:32 AM

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Henry Blackmoore wrote in message
ink.net...

It's all too obvious that you have never visited Florida or Texas.



sigh!!...wrong again for the 300th time.



Don White April 9th 04 03:34 AM

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NOYB wrote in message
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Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc.
Close enough?



Henry Blackmoore April 9th 04 03:40 AM

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In article , "Don White" wrote:

Henry Blackmoore wrote in message
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It's all too obvious that you have never visited Florida or Texas.



sigh!!...wrong again for the 300th time.


See a lot of gun play did ya Donnie?

Where wuz ya visitin'? A ward or barrio?

Get real.



NOYB April 9th 04 04:07 AM

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"Don White" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote in message
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Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc.
Close enough?


No, no, and no. Naples is unique.



basskisser April 9th 04 12:06 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message . com...
"Don White" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote in message
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Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc.
Close enough?


No, no, and no. Naples is unique.


Yes, it certainly is, but not in a good way.

basskisser April 9th 04 04:54 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message . com...
"Don White" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote in message
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Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc.
Close enough?


No, no, and no. Naples is unique.


I've spent 15 years in the Tampa Bay area, and I've spent a LOT of
time in Naples. I was there for seven months, I worked as a super for
a company that built shopping centers. Naples is unique, say, from St.
Pete, because there is a LOT of swamp people. They are the equivelent
of hillbillies.

Henry Blackmoore April 10th 04 03:57 PM

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In article , (basskisser) wrote:
wrote in message
. com...
"Don White" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote in message
om...

snip
Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc.
Close enough?


No, no, and no. Naples is unique.


I've spent 15 years in the Tampa Bay area, and I've spent a LOT of
time in Naples. I was there for seven months, I worked as a super for
a company that built shopping centers. Naples is unique, say, from St.
Pete, because there is a LOT of swamp people. They are the equivelent
of hillbillies.


Do they put those holes in their pumpkins like you do?



NOYB April 11th 04 12:55 AM

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"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
"NOYB" wrote in message

. com...
"Don White" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote in message
om...

snip
Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc.
Close enough?


No, no, and no. Naples is unique.


I've spent 15 years in the Tampa Bay area, and I've spent a LOT of
time in Naples. I was there for seven months, I worked as a super for
a company that built shopping centers.


What shopping center did you help build?


Naples is unique, say, from St.
Pete, because there is a LOT of swamp people. They are the equivelent
of hillbillies.


Naples has one of the highest number of per capita millionaires (possible
the highest) in the country. Are you sure you've been to Naples?





NOYB April 11th 04 12:57 AM

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"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
ink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:
wrote in message
. com...
"Don White" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote in message
om...

snip
Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc.
Close enough?

No, no, and no. Naples is unique.


I've spent 15 years in the Tampa Bay area, and I've spent a LOT of
time in Naples. I was there for seven months, I worked as a super for
a company that built shopping centers. Naples is unique, say, from St.
Pete, because there is a LOT of swamp people. They are the equivelent
of hillbillies.


Do they put those holes in their pumpkins like you do?


bassie prefers relatives. Young ones.




NOYB April 11th 04 02:02 AM

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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Naples is unique, say, from St.
Pete, because there is a LOT of swamp people. They are the equivelent
of hillbillies.


As usual, your timing is impeccable. Just today, in the local paper:

Naples Daily News

To print this page, select File then Print from your browser
URL:
http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/news/...796311,00.html



High home prices seemingly no barrier to buyers
By THERESA STAHL
April 10, 2004

The highest home prices in the state aren't keeping buyers away from
purchasing a piece of Southwest Florida.

A new report shows Naples has the fastest-rising median sales price in
Florida, and some local developers are reporting a 50 percent increase in
the price of new homes.

"Some of these are price jumps are like nothing I've ever seen
before," said Brad Whalen, whose Naples firm, Sulk Whalen Public Relations,
specializes in residential real estate development.

The Florida Association of Realtors reported a 42 percent increase in
the median home sales price in Naples. The 2004 median price is $389,000,
nearly $100,000 over the second-highest median price in Florida.

Ocala came in second at a 27 percent increase, and Miami and
Sarasota/Bradenton tied for third at 24 percent. The statewide median sales
price rose 13 percent to $162,300 last month; a year ago it was $143,400.

Developers say the soaring prices for new homes are due in part to
high demand, larger homes, costly building materials and an increase in
offering more amenities and expensive home features.

"The Naples market is becoming very sophisticated," said Bernard
Ackerman, director of marketing for Crosswinds Communities, which developed
Sterling Oaks in North Naples and Portofino in Fort Myers. "People are
demanding higher quality features in the home."

More buyers are requesting pools and screened porches, as well as
granite instead of Formica or Corian in their kitchens, Ackerman said.

Building materials, including fill dirt and steel, have become scarce
commodities, according to David Ellis, director of the Collier Building
Industry Association.

The price of steel has increased significantly because the product
hasn't been available several times in the past six months, he said. This
happens occasionally, when car manufacturers buy up all the steel.

"When it gets really tight, it's hard for the average person," Ellis
said. "If you're the Ford Motor Co., you're going to get your steel, but if
you're a small developer in Southwest Florida, you're not."

Developers say they are building bigger, better product to satisfy
their customers.

Stock Development this year is offering more higher-end single-family
homes and has introduced a higher end multifamily home, said Brian Stock,
president of the company.

"We've introduced a lot of new product that has brought the price up,"
he said.

Stock Development has had 300 new home sales so far this year totaling
nearly $131.9 million in its three Southwest Florida communities, Grandezza
in Estero, Olde Cypress on Immokalee Road in North Naples and Lely Resort in
southeast Naples.

"We were expecting a good season, but this is stronger than we even
anticipated," he said.

The average selling price on homes in the Stock communities in 2003
was $284,945. The average price so far this year is $428,361, an increase of
50.3 percent.

In Olde Cypress, where the average selling price is $700,000,
first-quarter sales are $7 million ahead of total 2003 sales, Stock said.

"These customers are still buying where they feel good and secure
about their investment," he said.

Duane Sulk, also of Sulk Whalen, said although the stock market has
been steady lately, uncertainty still lingers in those types of investments.
Consumers know real estate is a better place to put their money, he said.

"Older baby boomers in Northern markets are beginning to come down
here in larger flocks," he said. "They're buying now because they know it is
the best time to buy. A home that's $300,000 today will be $450,000 five
years from now."

Miromar Lakes, a beach and golf club community in Estero, is also
reporting a 50 percent increase in the average sales price.

John Buehler, director of sales/broker for Miromar, said the average
home price climbed from $473,000 in 2003 to $703,000 in the first quarter of
2004, a 48.6 percent increase.

The community in 2003 had 78 transactions totaling nearly $35.2
million. This year they have 124 transactions or contracts totaling $87.6
million.

"It's been a wild year," he said.

Buehler said the increase is due in large part to bigger properties
and more waterfront property. He says the community's 700 acres of
freshwater lakes is a major selling point.

"We have something that is so unique, everybody wants to be a part of
this," he said, noting Miromar's residents can take advantage of water
skiing, wake boarding, sailing, fishing and canoeing.

Buehler said prices of resales in Miromar are also climbing
substantially. Homeowners who paid $900,00 to $1 million two years ago are
now selling for $1.6 to $1.9 million.

Although the overall resale market in Naples is strong, one longtime
Realtor says the increases are moving slowly.

"I haven't seen any gigantic price increases yet," said Phil Wood,
president of John R. Wood Realtors.

But in his own books, the numbers are looking better than ever.

"We just had our best month in history," he said.

The company had $243 million in sales for March, up from $95 million
in March 2003, a 155.8 percent increase. Wood attributed the growth to
several new programs, including a marketing program, and new, talented
agents.






thunder April 11th 04 11:23 AM

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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:02:13 +0000, NOYB wrote:

As usual, your timing is impeccable. Just today, in the local paper:

Naples Daily News

To print this page, select File then Print from your browser
URL:
http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/news/...796311,00.html


Naples is a very nice town, so don't get me wrong, but that building
report is quite scary. I have witnessed many overheated building booms.
Bust is invariably part of the cycle. 40-50% price increases are not
healthy and not of long duration.

NOYB April 11th 04 03:44 PM

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"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:02:13 +0000, NOYB wrote:

As usual, your timing is impeccable. Just today, in the local paper:

Naples Daily News

To print this page, select File then Print from your browser
URL:

http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/news/...796311,00.html

Naples is a very nice town, so don't get me wrong, but that building
report is quite scary. I have witnessed many overheated building booms.
Bust is invariably part of the cycle. 40-50% price increases are not
healthy and not of long duration.


Prices had gone up 26% per year from 1998-2001. They then leveled off for
two years...and just about kept pace with inflation. However, "bust" is
part of the cycle only in areas that are affected by layoffs, recession, and
attrition. Naples isn't one of those areas. In recession years, prices are
flat (but they don't decline), and inventory builds. As soon as the economy
starts an upturn, inventories decline and prices soar again.

The majority of the people in Naples are retirees who already earned their
money and are bringing it down here in their retirement. The retirees now
are the baby boomers...a huge population with enormous wealth and very
little debt. An entire service population has grown as a result, and the
service industry feeds on the retirees. As long as the population continues
to grow faster than attrition (ie--from people dying), the demand for
housing will grow. Over the past year, Collier County's population grew by
almost 15%. Consequently, the demand for housing (expensive housing) drove
the median price up more than 40%.

Is it sustainable? Probably not at the same rate of increase. However,
you'll never see a true "bust" where prices begin to fall. They'll just
level off until the next boom.



Lloyd Sumpter April 11th 04 03:53 PM

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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:07:12 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote in message
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Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc. Close enough?


No, no, and no. Naples is unique.


Unique?? Like, the only one in the world?
http://document.itwg.com/en_napoli.asp

Lloyd


Lloyd Sumpter April 11th 04 03:54 PM

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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:21:45 +0000, Don White wrote:

Just when you thought it couldn't get worse...what with the folly in Iraq,
Janet's tit, gay marriages and legalized marijuana. Now the 'Trailer Park Boys'
may be invading your TV.

If you get the BBC America digital channel, keep an eye out. A local production
company is ready to corrupt impressionable American youth with cussin', dirty
talk, smoking, drinking & lots of gun play. see ***
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/features/trailerpark/ ***

Wait a minute.......I think Americans taught us all the above vices.........
probably won't play too well in Florida or Texas....the program will seem too
ordinary...too lifelike.


Well, it's getting a little "close to home" for us: we're only 6 blocks from
Surrey, BC: Home of the Trailer-Park trash (and Hells Angels)...

But it can be funny!

Lloyd


NOYB April 11th 04 04:12 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:07:12 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote in message
r.com...

snip
Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc. Close enough?

No, no, and no. Naples is unique.



Unique?? Like, the only one in the world?
http://document.itwg.com/en_napoli.asp

Lloyd



Anyone who has been to Naples, Italy, would only laugh at the
pretentiousness of inhabitants of Naples, Florida.


I have a buddy who plays pro basketball in Naples, Italy...and doesn't think
very highly of it. He has played/lived in several Italian and other
European cities, and Naples is near the bottom of the list of his favorite
places over there. He does choose to come to Naples, Florida for his
vacations however.




Joe Parsons April 11th 04 05:55 PM

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Could you please not post attachments to a text newsgroup? This one locked up
my system.

Joe Parsons

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Mark Browne April 11th 04 06:11 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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The majority of the people in Naples are retirees who already earned their
money and are bringing it down here in their retirement. The retirees now
are the baby boomers...a huge population with enormous wealth and very
little debt. An entire service population has grown as a result, and the
service industry feeds on the retirees. As long as the population

continues
to grow faster than attrition (ie--from people dying), the demand for
housing will grow. Over the past year, Collier County's population grew

by
almost 15%. Consequently, the demand for housing (expensive housing)

drove
the median price up more than 40%.

Is it sustainable? Probably not at the same rate of increase. However,
you'll never see a true "bust" where prices begin to fall. They'll just
level off until the next boom.


What Dr. Tooth says mirrors what I know of Florida.

So Backyard and Dr. Tooth, which is it?

http://www.google.com/groups?q=g:thl...ing.google.com

or what Dr. Tooth said above?

If this *is* just small pockets of old farts then housing prices will tumble
when:
1) These old folks die and the houses come up for sale.
2) The interest rates start to rise to more normal levels.

They may be old and rich, but they are not stupid.

Mark Browne



Henry Blackmoore April 11th 04 06:37 PM

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In article , "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote:

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 14:21:45 +0000, Don White wrote:

Just when you thought it couldn't get worse...what with the folly in Iraq,
Janet's tit, gay marriages and legalized marijuana. Now the 'Trailer Park

Boys'
may be invading your TV.

If you get the BBC America digital channel, keep an eye out. A local

production
company is ready to corrupt impressionable American youth with cussin', dirty
talk, smoking, drinking & lots of gun play. see ***
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/features/trailerpark/ ***

Wait a minute.......I think Americans taught us all the above vices.........
probably won't play too well in Florida or Texas....the program will seem too
ordinary...too lifelike.


Well, it's getting a little "close to home" for us: we're only 6 blocks from
Surrey, BC: Home of the Trailer-Park trash (and Hells Angels)...

But it can be funny!

Lloyd


Surly Surrey?



Henry Blackmoore April 11th 04 06:38 PM

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In article , "NOYB" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
link.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:
wrote in message
. com...
"Don White" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote in message
om...

snip
Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc.
Close enough?

No, no, and no. Naples is unique.

I've spent 15 years in the Tampa Bay area, and I've spent a LOT of
time in Naples. I was there for seven months, I worked as a super for
a company that built shopping centers. Naples is unique, say, from St.
Pete, because there is a LOT of swamp people. They are the equivelent
of hillbillies.


Do they put those holes in their pumpkins like you do?


bassie prefers relatives. Young ones.


He must be kin to ol' Harry K. then?



Henry Blackmoore April 11th 04 06:39 PM

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In article , "NOYB" wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"NOYB" wrote in message

.com...
"Don White" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote in message
om...

snip
Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc.
Close enough?

No, no, and no. Naples is unique.


I've spent 15 years in the Tampa Bay area, and I've spent a LOT of
time in Naples. I was there for seven months, I worked as a super for
a company that built shopping centers.


What shopping center did you help build?


Naples is unique, say, from St.
Pete, because there is a LOT of swamp people. They are the equivelent
of hillbillies.


Naples has one of the highest number of per capita millionaires (possible
the highest) in the country. Are you sure you've been to Naples?


He only visited one trailer home in the swamp while he was there....



Henry Blackmoore April 11th 04 06:40 PM

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In article , "NOYB" wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
Naples is unique, say, from St.
Pete, because there is a LOT of swamp people. They are the equivelent
of hillbillies.


As usual, your timing is impeccable. Just today, in the local paper:

Naples Daily News

To print this page, select File then Print from your browser
URL:
http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/news/...796311,00.html



High home prices seemingly no barrier to buyers
By THERESA STAHL
April 10, 2004

The highest home prices in the state aren't keeping buyers away from
purchasing a piece of Southwest Florida.

[SNIP]

dadgum affluent swampbillies!




Henry Blackmoore April 11th 04 06:41 PM

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In article , thunder wrote:

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:02:13 +0000, NOYB wrote:

As usual, your timing is impeccable. Just today, in the local paper:

Naples Daily News

To print this page, select File then Print from your browser
URL:
http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/news/...796311,00.html


Naples is a very nice town, so don't get me wrong, but that building
report is quite scary. I have witnessed many overheated building booms.
Bust is invariably part of the cycle. 40-50% price increases are not
healthy and not of long duration.


**** happens

Henry Blackmoore April 11th 04 06:44 PM

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In article , wrote:

Could you please not post attachments to a text newsgroup? This one locked up
my system.

Joe Parsons


Well why did you go looking at it?

Oh, You were not really wanting to look at it.
You just clicked on it so you could post a follow-up
and bitch about it eh?
And you got bit.
How fitting officer....


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Henry Blackmoore April 11th 04 06:46 PM

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In article , Harry Krause wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:07:12 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote in message
. rr.com...

snip
Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc. Close enough?

No, no, and no. Naples is unique.



Unique?? Like, the only one in the world?
http://document.itwg.com/en_napoli.asp

Lloyd



Anyone who has been to Naples, Italy, would only laugh at the
pretentiousness of inhabitants of Naples, Florida.


And of course being from Bum**** Maryland you are just one
laughing hyena eh?



Mark Browne April 11th 04 06:46 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message
m...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:07:12 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote in message
r.com...

snip
Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc. Close enough?

No, no, and no. Naples is unique.


Unique?? Like, the only one in the world?
http://document.itwg.com/en_napoli.asp

Lloyd



Anyone who has been to Naples, Italy, would only laugh at the
pretentiousness of inhabitants of Naples, Florida.


I have a buddy who plays pro basketball in Naples, Italy...and doesn't

think
very highly of it. He has played/lived in several Italian and other
European cities, and Naples is near the bottom of the list of his favorite
places over there. He does choose to come to Naples, Florida for his
vacations however.


If you can get past the traffic, Naples Italy is very nice. I went there
with the wife last year. We saw as much as we could in a week and had a long
list of things we wanted to see. The gelato is absolutely wonderful! We
will go again; next time we will probably stay more that a week. The agenda
includes a climb to the peak of Vesuvius. The view is wonderful.

If you are going to the area spend a day or two in Pompeii - it's worth the
trip.

As far as Florida - I did enjoy my time working at the space center. I
stayed in the ho-jos in Titusville. There are some wonderful local eateries.
I remember eating at one place and looking at salvage from the USA version
of the Concorde poking over a fence across the street. Wow! There are some
good air and space museums in the area. I did not get to all of them;
perhaps next time?

When I was looking for places to visit I don't remember seeing of much
around Naples to recommend it. More than likely it is just because I don't
know the area. I like good food (not fancy, just good) and historic sites -
what do you recommend Dr. Tooth?

Mark Browne



NOYB April 11th 04 09:30 PM

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"Mark Browne" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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The majority of the people in Naples are retirees who already earned

their
money and are bringing it down here in their retirement. The retirees

now
are the baby boomers...a huge population with enormous wealth and very
little debt. An entire service population has grown as a result, and

the
service industry feeds on the retirees. As long as the population

continues
to grow faster than attrition (ie--from people dying), the demand for
housing will grow. Over the past year, Collier County's population grew

by
almost 15%. Consequently, the demand for housing (expensive housing)

drove
the median price up more than 40%.

Is it sustainable? Probably not at the same rate of increase. However,
you'll never see a true "bust" where prices begin to fall. They'll just
level off until the next boom.


What Dr. Tooth says mirrors what I know of Florida.

So Backyard and Dr. Tooth, which is it?


http://www.google.com/groups?q=g:thl...ing.google.com

or what Dr. Tooth said above?


I can't speak for the rest of Florida, but I know that I see about 40-50 new
patients every month...and the average age of those patients is probably
around 60.


If this *is* just small pockets of old farts then housing prices will

tumble
when:
1) These old folks die and the houses come up for sale.


And the houses get razed to make room for new mansions...particularly if
they're on the water or on large (1 acre or more) pieces of property.


2) The interest rates start to rise to more normal levels.

They may be old and rich, but they are not stupid.


I have heard that nearly 60% of home sales are cash deals in Naples...with
no financing involved. Interest rates will not affect the housing market a
whole lot. In fact, a rise in interest rates will give retirees a better
return on their conservative investments...and give them more money to spend
on housing.



NOYB April 11th 04 09:42 PM

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"Mark Browne" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 03:07:12 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote in message
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Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc. Close enough?

No, no, and no. Naples is unique.


Unique?? Like, the only one in the world?
http://document.itwg.com/en_napoli.asp

Lloyd



Anyone who has been to Naples, Italy, would only laugh at the
pretentiousness of inhabitants of Naples, Florida.


I have a buddy who plays pro basketball in Naples, Italy...and doesn't

think
very highly of it. He has played/lived in several Italian and other
European cities, and Naples is near the bottom of the list of his

favorite
places over there. He does choose to come to Naples, Florida for his
vacations however.


If you can get past the traffic, Naples Italy is very nice. I went there
with the wife last year. We saw as much as we could in a week and had a

long
list of things we wanted to see. The gelato is absolutely wonderful! We
will go again; next time we will probably stay more that a week. The

agenda
includes a climb to the peak of Vesuvius. The view is wonderful.

If you are going to the area spend a day or two in Pompeii - it's worth

the
trip.

As far as Florida - I did enjoy my time working at the space center. I
stayed in the ho-jos in Titusville. There are some wonderful local

eateries.
I remember eating at one place and looking at salvage from the USA version
of the Concorde poking over a fence across the street. Wow! There are some
good air and space museums in the area. I did not get to all of them;
perhaps next time?

When I was looking for places to visit I don't remember seeing of much
around Naples to recommend it. More than likely it is just because I don't
know the area. I like good food (not fancy, just good) and historic

sites -
what do you recommend Dr. Tooth?


What kind of food? You almost can't go wrong with any of the places along
5th Avenue or 3rd Street South...but they're expensive. If you want a
specific type of food, I can make a more specific recommendation.


As for historic sites...
Naples has virtually none. It *was* a mosquito-laden town overgrown with
mangroves that relied on deliveries brought in via the 1/4 mile long Naples
pier in the Gulf. You will not find the historic sites found in places like
Williamsburg, Philadelphia, Savannah, etc. However, within a half hours
drive or boat ride you can visit the Edison and Ford mansions/museums in Ft.
Myers, the Koreshan State Historic site in Estero, the Calusa Indian island
made of shells (Mound Key in Estero), numerous Conservancy's and nature
centers, or travel the Tamiami Trail to Miami and stop at the old trading
post down in Chokoloskee.



NOYB April 11th 04 09:45 PM

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We've gotten off-topic from the topic in an off-topic thread. The info I
posted about Naples was made to refute basskisser's claim that it's a town
of swamp-billies. I don't need to sell the place to anybody. People are
finding it all on their own (much to the detriment of the unspoiled,
quaint-town feel...and the awful traffic in season).


So bassie...
Which shopping plaza did you help build? LOL!



Mark Browne April 12th 04 04:17 AM

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"NOYB" wrote in message
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When I was looking for places to visit I don't remember seeing of much
around Naples to recommend it. More than likely it is just because I

don't
know the area. I like good food (not fancy, just good) and historic

sites -
what do you recommend Dr. Tooth?


What kind of food? You almost can't go wrong with any of the places along
5th Avenue or 3rd Street South...but they're expensive. If you want a
specific type of food, I can make a more specific recommendation.


As for historic sites...
Naples has virtually none. It *was* a mosquito-laden town overgrown with
mangroves that relied on deliveries brought in via the 1/4 mile long

Naples
pier in the Gulf. You will not find the historic sites found in places

like
Williamsburg, Philadelphia, Savannah, etc. However, within a half hours
drive or boat ride you can visit the Edison and Ford mansions/museums in

Ft.
Myers, the Koreshan State Historic site in Estero, the Calusa Indian

island
made of shells (Mound Key in Estero), numerous Conservancy's and nature
centers, or travel the Tamiami Trail to Miami and stop at the old trading
post down in Chokoloskee.


Thanks.

Next time I pass through I will post for more specific info.

Mark Browne



basskisser April 12th 04 03:03 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message om...
We've gotten off-topic from the topic in an off-topic thread. The info I
posted about Naples was made to refute basskisser's claim that it's a town
of swamp-billies. I don't need to sell the place to anybody. People are
finding it all on their own (much to the detriment of the unspoiled,
quaint-town feel...and the awful traffic in season).


So bassie...
Which shopping plaza did you help build? LOL!


Didn't "help" build one. I did, however, supervise the Wal-Mart plaza. LOL.

basskisser April 12th 04 03:05 PM

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(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message link.net...
In article , "NOYB" wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Naples is unique, say, from St.
Pete, because there is a LOT of swamp people. They are the equivelent
of hillbillies.


As usual, your timing is impeccable. Just today, in the local paper:

Naples Daily News

To print this page, select File then Print from your browser
URL:
http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/news/...796311,00.html



High home prices seemingly no barrier to buyers
By THERESA STAHL
April 10, 2004

The highest home prices in the state aren't keeping buyers away from
purchasing a piece of Southwest Florida.

[SNIP]

dadgum affluent swampbillies!


"dadgum"? Those non-words just come flying out of you. The drunker you
get, the more they fly.

basskisser April 12th 04 03:11 PM

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"NOYB" wrote in message .com...
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:
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"Don White" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote in message
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Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc.
Close enough?

No, no, and no. Naples is unique.

I've spent 15 years in the Tampa Bay area, and I've spent a LOT of
time in Naples. I was there for seven months, I worked as a super for
a company that built shopping centers. Naples is unique, say, from St.
Pete, because there is a LOT of swamp people. They are the equivelent
of hillbillies.


Do they put those holes in their pumpkins like you do?


bassie prefers relatives. Young ones.


Any evidence to back up your wild, unfounded allegations, or do you
just want to admit that you're posting lies?

NOYB April 12th 04 03:43 PM

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message

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We've gotten off-topic from the topic in an off-topic thread. The info

I
posted about Naples was made to refute basskisser's claim that it's a

town
of swamp-billies. I don't need to sell the place to anybody. People are
finding it all on their own (much to the detriment of the unspoiled,
quaint-town feel...and the awful traffic in season).


So bassie...
Which shopping plaza did you help build? LOL!


Didn't "help" build one. I did, however, supervise the Wal-Mart plaza.

LOL.

You were parking lot security?



NOYB April 12th 04 03:44 PM

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message

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"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
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In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:
wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote in message
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Ever been to Naples, Florida, Don?


been to Orlando, Tampa , St. Pete's Beach..etc.
Close enough?

No, no, and no. Naples is unique.

I've spent 15 years in the Tampa Bay area, and I've spent a LOT of
time in Naples. I was there for seven months, I worked as a super for
a company that built shopping centers. Naples is unique, say, from

St.
Pete, because there is a LOT of swamp people. They are the equivelent
of hillbillies.

Do they put those holes in their pumpkins like you do?


bassie prefers relatives. Young ones.


Any evidence to back up your wild, unfounded allegations, or do you
just want to admit that you're posting lies?


Please provide some proof of your allegations that I'm lying.




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