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don't, as a matter of fact, much of either Tyson or Jesse. On the
other hand, I hold Mohammed Ali and Bill Cosby in the highest regard. Does that somehow show me to be racist? Or apologist? Agreed! |
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 06:21:10 -0400, John H wrote:
On 11 Jun 2005 23:17:37 -0700, wrote: Isn't that supposed to be "Fo"? ************ Not according to right wing apologist Herring and somebody else up the thread. They claim that the joke is simply about in individual speech impediment, (one you believe is also shared by Jesse Jackson). :-) Uncalled for and Krause-like, Chuck. Thought better of you. I don't, as a matter of fact, much of either Tyson or Jesse. On the other hand, I hold Mohammed Ali and Bill Cosby in the highest regard. Does that somehow show me to be racist? Or apologist? I'd expect such crap from Krause or basskisser. Edit: insert 'think' before 'much of either..." thanks -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Gould,
Have you ever listened to Richard Pryor, Cedric the Entertainer, Bill Cosby, Bill Murray, Freddy Prince, Chris Rock and the list goes on and on. Every single one of these comedians have used stereotypes in their humor. I don't think of any of the them as racists. Do you? Do you find racist everywhere you look? wrote in message oups.com... Comedy can be a very effective tool when addressing serious issues. I wonder why Gould and Harry have failed to hear Ebonics on TV, in movies, on hip hop and videos and in the real world. Is it possible that they are the racist? ****** There is a difference between hearing it, and holding it up to ridicule as the punch line for a joke. Telling jokes that rely on racial stereotypes to be funny is racist- just as using racial stereotypes for any other purpose is racist. |
Gould,
Don't forget "the king of racists", Dave Chappelle, the Fe-Fi-Fo joke would make all of his humor look very tame. Dave and his audience, black, white, red, yellow, orange and purple people all enjoy his "racist" humor. The humor is your self righteous behavior. "John Jay" wrote in message ... Gould, Have you ever listened to Richard Pryor, Cedric the Entertainer, Bill Cosby, Bill Murray, Freddy Prince, Chris Rock and the list goes on and on. Every single one of these comedians have used stereotypes in their humor. I don't think of any of the them as racists. Do you? Do you find racist everywhere you look? wrote in message oups.com... Comedy can be a very effective tool when addressing serious issues. I wonder why Gould and Harry have failed to hear Ebonics on TV, in movies, on hip hop and videos and in the real world. Is it possible that they are the racist? ****** There is a difference between hearing it, and holding it up to ridicule as the punch line for a joke. Telling jokes that rely on racial stereotypes to be funny is racist- just as using racial stereotypes for any other purpose is racist. |
John H wrote:
I don't, as a matter of fact, much of either Tyson or Jesse. On the other hand, I hold Mohammed Ali and Bill Cosby in the highest regard. Does that somehow show me to be racist? Or apologist? I'd expect such crap from Krause or basskisser. Not so sure of Bill Cosby anymore.... http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,16080,00.html |
wrote in message ... I'm frequently pretty ridiculous, as are we all. ....as evidenced by your standardized, stereotypical response to the joke. |
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:49:35 GMT, Don White wrote:
John H wrote: I don't, as a matter of fact, much of either Tyson or Jesse. On the other hand, I hold Mohammed Ali and Bill Cosby in the highest regard. Does that somehow show me to be racist? Or apologist? I'd expect such crap from Krause or basskisser. Not so sure of Bill Cosby anymore.... http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,16080,00.html That was in March, and I think it's been cleared up. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
So, is it supposed to be funny because we're laughing at the ethnic
speech, or because we're laughing at a physical disability? |
wrote in message ups.com... So, is it supposed to be funny because we're laughing at the ethnic speech, or because we're laughing at a physical disability? Neither. It is funny because it is a joke Chuck. |
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*JimH* wrote: Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. "Nothing racist about it", and "even if he were white" in the same paragraph. That HAS to be just about the most ignorant thing I've ever read here!!!!! |
wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. "Nothing racist about it", and "even if he were white" in the same paragraph. That HAS to be just about the most ignorant thing I've ever read here!!!!! So by saying (inferring) that Tyson is black, which he is, is an ignorant statement Kevin? |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. "Nothing racist about it", and "even if he were white" in the same paragraph. That HAS to be just about the most ignorant thing I've ever read here!!!!! So by saying (inferring) that Tyson is black, which he is, is an ignorant statement Kevin? I guess kevin never reads his own posts ;-) |
I think now we're laughing at you, Chuck. Your attitude is pretty
extreme here. But hey, if you feel a *need* to join the name-calling club, jump right in. -- John H ******** I certainly touched a raw nerve with my opinion that the joke about Tyson and a follow-up comment that "I thought fe-fi-fo was how Jesse Jackson spoke" were racist. Wonder why my opinion p'd a couple of people off *so* badly? |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. "Nothing racist about it", and "even if he were white" in the same paragraph. That HAS to be just about the most ignorant thing I've ever read here!!!!! So saying (inferring) that Tyson is black, which he is, is an ignorant statement Kevin? Is it racial also? Edit |
wrote in message ups.com... I think now we're laughing at you, Chuck. Your attitude is pretty extreme here. But hey, if you feel a *need* to join the name-calling club, jump right in. -- John H ******** I certainly touched a raw nerve with my opinion that the joke about Tyson and a follow-up comment that "I thought fe-fi-fo was how Jesse Jackson spoke" were racist. Wonder why my opinion p'd a couple of people off *so* badly? Rule #1. After being caught trying to defend a ridiculous statement/opinion, but unable to do so any longer, start attacking the other side to deflect the criticism. Spin away oh great Spinmeister. |
*JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. "Nothing racist about it", and "even if he were white" in the same paragraph. That HAS to be just about the most ignorant thing I've ever read here!!!!! So by saying (inferring) that Tyson is black, which he is, is an ignorant statement Kevin? I'm not Kevin, please go read my response to NOYB in the Clams Canino thread. You, NOYB, Fritz, and JohnH will be the laughing stock of the newsgroup soon. NOYB actually had a great idea, and I can't wait! But, do you think that by referring instantly to someone's color ISN'T racist??? Racist: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion |
Rule #1. After being caught trying to defend a ridiculous
statement/opinion, but unable to do so any longer, start attacking the other side to deflect the criticism. ************ That must indeed be the first rule. My opinion that the bad joke and its extension to Jesse Jackson were racist certainly evoked a lot of criticism, as well as a specialized attack thread from John H in response. It looks like we agree on this one, JimH. |
wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. "Nothing racist about it", and "even if he were white" in the same paragraph. That HAS to be just about the most ignorant thing I've ever read here!!!!! So saying (inferring) that Tyson is black, which he is, is an ignorant statement Kevin? I'm not Kevin, please go read my response to NOYB in the Clams Canino thread. You, NOYB, Fritz, and JohnH will be the laughing stock of the newsgroup soon. NOYB actually had a great idea, and I can't wait! But, do you think that by referring instantly to someone's color ISN'T racist??? No it is not racist. And where did I *instantly refer* to Mike Tyson's color Kevin? Now if Chuck thought the joke was indeed funny, as it is, and never brought up the fact that he thought it was racist, as it is not, would you be jumping on this racist thing? I doubt you as you have never had an original thought in your entire lifetime, nor are you capable of having an original thought. The Bassy Show will continue after this word from our sponsor. |
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"*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. "Nothing racist about it", and "even if he were white" in the same paragraph. That HAS to be just about the most ignorant thing I've ever read here!!!!! So saying (inferring) that Tyson is black, which he is, is an ignorant statement Kevin? I'm not Kevin, please go read my response to NOYB in the Clams Canino thread. You, NOYB, Fritz, and JohnH will be the laughing stock of the newsgroup soon. NOYB actually had a great idea, and I can't wait! But, do you think that by referring instantly to someone's color ISN'T racist??? No it is not racist. And where did I *instantly refer* to Mike Tyson's color Kevin? Now if Chuck thought the joke was indeed funny, as it is, and never brought up the fact that he thought it was racist, as it is not, would you be jumping on this racist thing? I doubt it as you never had an original thought in your entire lifetime, nor are you capable of having one. The Bassy Show will continue after this word from our sponsor. edit |
wrote in message ups.com... Rule #1. After being caught trying to defend a ridiculous statement/opinion, but unable to do so any longer, start attacking the other side to deflect the criticism. ************ It looks like we agree on this one, JimH. Fine, then stop the personal attacks and admit you were wrong. |
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John H wrote: I'd expect such crap from Krause or basskisser. -- John H Dragging someone into a conversation. I'd expect such crap from you. |
Keep on pedaling, whitey. "
Wouldn't the term "Honkey" be more appropriate? |
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:33:28 -0400, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: Stereotypes are always stupid. Yes, but then in lay the humor. Witness innumerable Polish, Italian, Irish, Arab, Jewish, yada, yada, yada, jokes. The thing about humor is that it is but one small, very tiny nanoline away from hurting somebody who is "sensitive". Some of the best lesbian jokes I've ever heard came from a former nun and some of the best gay jokes I've ever heard came from a gay guy who I work with from time to time. Most of the time, when I retell the joke, it's the straight people who take offense FOR the "offended" parties. Most of the time the "offended" parties enjoy the jokes. Believe this or not, I have actually told the "Horse walks into a bar" joke and had somebody take offense at it - I'm not kidding. Doesn't matter whether one says *All*....... conservatives are mean, hard-heartred *******s....... Well, that's true actually. liberals are socialist traitors....... That's also true. black people like to eat fried chicken and watermelon..... God, I would hope so - I love fried chicken and watermelon. white people have small body parts and can't jump...... Speak for yourself White Boy.... when one defaults to a single statement intended to include all the members of any group it simply shows that the person knows little, or could care less, about any individual members of the group. Hmmmm - so what you are saying is that I can't, in good conscience, say anything about "blacks" because I don't know anything about "blacks"? I can't judge the suitability of a joke because it involves blacks? That was poorly stated - allow me to try a different tack. Let's say that there is an audience of one hundred people and Chris Rock is the comedian. Chris tells a joke about black men - you know black men, they'd put rims on a refrigerator if you let them. Let's say that 75% of the audience thinks this joke is hilarious because it's based in some truth and 25% don't think it's funny and stereotypical. Which side is the correct side? Should he have told the joke because 25% of the people could possibly be offended? How about if Jerry Seinfield told that same joke to fifty whites and fifty blacks and the white people were offended - is that reason to call for Seinfield's head? Was he insensitive? The PC rule is that ANYTHING that can be deemed offensive by anybody at anytime is offensive and thus verboten. And that, my friend, is just plain bull****. I'll leave you with this joke. This grasshopper walks into a bar and asks for a beer. The bartender looks at the grasshopper and says "Hey, you know we have a drink named after you?" The grasshopper looks at the bartender and says "You have a drink named Steve?" Now, make something of that. :) Later, Tom |
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:33:28 -0400, "Doug Kanter" wrote: Stereotypes are always stupid. Stereotypes Doug? The joke was about Mike Tyson and the way *Mike Tyson* talks. If you think all black people talk that way that is your problem. (Now I could use the Chuck Gould trump card and call you a racist. ;-) ) Sorry to post through you Tom but I have Doug killfiled. Pretty funny joke BTW, even though you stereotyped all grasshoppers and folks named Steve. LOL Thanks for bringing some more common sense into this discussion Tom. Jim Yes, but then in lay the humor. Witness innumerable Polish, Italian, Irish, Arab, Jewish, yada, yada, yada, jokes. The thing about humor is that it is but one small, very tiny nanoline away from hurting somebody who is "sensitive". Some of the best lesbian jokes I've ever heard came from a former nun and some of the best gay jokes I've ever heard came from a gay guy who I work with from time to time. Most of the time, when I retell the joke, it's the straight people who take offense FOR the "offended" parties. Most of the time the "offended" parties enjoy the jokes. Believe this or not, I have actually told the "Horse walks into a bar" joke and had somebody take offense at it - I'm not kidding. Doesn't matter whether one says *All*....... conservatives are mean, hard-heartred *******s....... Well, that's true actually. liberals are socialist traitors....... That's also true. black people like to eat fried chicken and watermelon..... God, I would hope so - I love fried chicken and watermelon. white people have small body parts and can't jump...... Speak for yourself White Boy.... when one defaults to a single statement intended to include all the members of any group it simply shows that the person knows little, or could care less, about any individual members of the group. Hmmmm - so what you are saying is that I can't, in good conscience, say anything about "blacks" because I don't know anything about "blacks"? I can't judge the suitability of a joke because it involves blacks? That was poorly stated - allow me to try a different tack. Let's say that there is an audience of one hundred people and Chris Rock is the comedian. Chris tells a joke about black men - you know black men, they'd put rims on a refrigerator if you let them. Let's say that 75% of the audience thinks this joke is hilarious because it's based in some truth and 25% don't think it's funny and stereotypical. Which side is the correct side? Should he have told the joke because 25% of the people could possibly be offended? How about if Jerry Seinfield told that same joke to fifty whites and fifty blacks and the white people were offended - is that reason to call for Seinfield's head? Was he insensitive? The PC rule is that ANYTHING that can be deemed offensive by anybody at anytime is offensive and thus verboten. And that, my friend, is just plain bull****. I'll leave you with this joke. This grasshopper walks into a bar and asks for a beer. The bartender looks at the grasshopper and says "Hey, you know we have a drink named after you?" The grasshopper looks at the bartender and says "You have a drink named Steve?" Now, make something of that. :) Later, Tom |
Fe-Fi-Fo. A joke involving the way Mike Tyson speaks....not all
boxers....not all wife beaters....but the way *Mike Tyson* speaks. It was a joke. The joke was not racist in any way. If you made it so, that is your bad and you indeed are the racist. If, however, the joke offended you for any other reason I apologize. It was, afterall, nothing but a joke. Enough said. Fe-Fi-Fo. Get it? If not, tough. Go find yourself a sense of humor. Time to move on folks....the PC crowd is suffocating me. |
Time to move on folks....the PC crowd is suffocating me.
******* Doubtful. Your joke was marginal. When others began suggesting names of other African Americans to substitute for Mike Tyson in the punchline, the thread, (as observed), became racist and the implication was that the enunciation "Fe Fi Fo" (for the numbers three, five, and four) was typical among people of color. Unless one cares to represent Jesse Jackson as a punch drunk pugilist, the follow-on comments took the thread in a racial direction. Go find yourself a sense of humor that doesn't rely on putting other people down, or defending those who do. |
"*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... FI-FO-FI FO-FI-FI-FO I always thought that was Jesse Jackson's ******************** This racist thread brought to you by wreck.boats :-( Isn't this where we trot out the Chinese laundry jokes, or the tired old saw about telling a running back that the football is really a watermelon? Will we ever get past dealing in racial stereotypes, or finding then "amusing"? Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. Get a life Chuck................. and then a sense of humor. I'm mixed race and find the joke racially offensive. Down here, only a black person or a white racist would tell that kind of joke and it is ok for ethnics to tell jokes on themselves. Because of the color of my skin I don't tell many irish jokes unless they are very gentle. |
wrote: When others began suggesting names of other African Americans to substitute for Mike Tyson in the punchline, the thread, (as observed), became racist and the implication was that the enunciation "Fe Fi Fo" (for the numbers three, five, and four) was typical among people of color. Unless one cares to represent Jesse Jackson as a punch drunk pugilist, the follow-on comments took the thread in a racial direction. Unfortunately Chuck, that pronunciation *is* typical for blacks in this area. I live in SC, and while all blacks don't speak that way, a large number do. And most of these aren't uneducated people... I can think of several from my graduating class in high school that required concentration to be able to understand. It goes on to this day. It's a *choice* made by them to speak in that manner. It severely limits their acceptance by mainstream society, and the opportunities available to them. You, the ACLU, and the NAACP do them no favors by coddling and accepting their behavior, and telling Bill Cosby to shut up when he points it out. You... the PC crowd, *are* part of the problem. Like any American city, their are parts of Columbia, SC that are pockets of drug and crime activity. The Columbia Police Dept.started a "Clean Sweep" program a couple of weeks ago to try to stem the drug activity in the downtown area. The ACLU and NAACP were quick to swoop in and proclaim that blacks were being targeted by the police. They called news conferences and condemned the activities. To the local news show's credit, when they covered this, they showed one final clip at the end. It was several black women who were saying that they *welcomed* the clean sweep program in their neighborhoods! They were tired of the drugs and crime, and wanted to reclaim their neighborhood. The organizations get so caught up in pushing their agendas that they forget to listen to their constituents. Pretty much like the PC crowd... squashing any recognition of reality, just pushing their blind agendas. Jack |
On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 07:53:00 -0400, "SoFarrell"
wrote: "*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... FI-FO-FI FO-FI-FI-FO I always thought that was Jesse Jackson's ******************** This racist thread brought to you by wreck.boats :-( Isn't this where we trot out the Chinese laundry jokes, or the tired old saw about telling a running back that the football is really a watermelon? Will we ever get past dealing in racial stereotypes, or finding then "amusing"? Racist thread? It is a joke and nothing racist about it. The guy is punch drunk and even if he were white he would talk like that. Get a life Chuck................. and then a sense of humor. I'm mixed race and find the joke racially offensive. Ok, why? It's a joke about a person, not a nationality, race or ethnic background - why should it be offensive? The fact that Mike Tyson is black isn't relevant - it's about him as an individual, nothing more, nothing less. So did you find the Wacko Jacko jokes last night funny? Down here, only a black person or a white racist would tell that kind of joke and it is ok for ethnics to tell jokes on themselves. So black persons and white racists are the same for telling the same joke? That's pretty unique. Because of the color of my skin I don't tell many irish jokes unless they are very gentle. So in your mind, the color of your skin or ethnic heritage is important in designing the proper joke - kind of like a designer joke? Do you find Chris Rock offensive when he does black "humor"? How about Robin Williams when he does the blind blues singer who is obviously meant to be black and is, in fact, very stereotypical? Tell me - am I black, white, yellow or mixed race - can you tell? Am I Amerindian, Lithuanian, Corsican or Cape Verdian? Do you know? Can you tell what will and won't offend me? Can you say with any sort of definite evidence that I will be offended if you tell a joke about short people having Napoleon complexes? How would you go about telling a joke in this medium that was not offensive if you don't rely on that element of truth which is in all humor - the differences between peoples belief's, ethnicity and character? There is no such thing as a neutral joke. All the best jokes are told with social, ethnic, color or lifestyle differences in mind - that is what makes them funny and, in a kind of odd way, instructive. Later, Tom |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:35:26 GMT, "Jack Goff" wrote:
wrote: When others began suggesting names of other African Americans to substitute for Mike Tyson in the punchline, the thread, (as observed), became racist and the implication was that the enunciation "Fe Fi Fo" (for the numbers three, five, and four) was typical among people of color. Unless one cares to represent Jesse Jackson as a punch drunk pugilist, the follow-on comments took the thread in a racial direction. Unfortunately Chuck, that pronunciation *is* typical for blacks in this area. I live in SC, and while all blacks don't speak that way, a large number do. And most of these aren't uneducated people... I can think of several from my graduating class in high school that required concentration to be able to understand. It goes on to this day. It's a *choice* made by them to speak in that manner. It severely limits their acceptance by mainstream society, and the opportunities available to them. You, the ACLU, and the NAACP do them no favors by coddling and accepting their behavior, and telling Bill Cosby to shut up when he points it out. You... the PC crowd, *are* part of the problem. Like any American city, their are parts of Columbia, SC that are pockets of drug and crime activity. The Columbia Police Dept.started a "Clean Sweep" program a couple of weeks ago to try to stem the drug activity in the downtown area. The ACLU and NAACP were quick to swoop in and proclaim that blacks were being targeted by the police. They called news conferences and condemned the activities. To the local news show's credit, when they covered this, they showed one final clip at the end. It was several black women who were saying that they *welcomed* the clean sweep program in their neighborhoods! They were tired of the drugs and crime, and wanted to reclaim their neighborhood. The organizations get so caught up in pushing their agendas that they forget to listen to their constituents. Pretty much like the PC crowd... squashing any recognition of reality, just pushing their blind agendas. Jack Well said. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
John H wrote:
And... What about the name calling you made for those who had no comment on the Jackson post? **************** Huh?? You claim that I called people names for "failing to make a comment in the Michael Jackson thread"? I hear it's over 100-degrees back there today. Better go get some cool air, you're hallucinating. |
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