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What about stolen gubernatorial elections?

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 14:04:04 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

What about stolen gubernatorial elections?

I'm no Jeb supporter, but I think he won fair and square.

bb

NOYB wrote:
What about stolen gubernatorial elections?


What about stolen elections, period? Not to say that the Washington
election was 'stolen', mind you.

When Republicans steal elections (and I mean steal them in clear &
obvious violation of the law & of basic principles of democracy), you
are delighted. When right-wing activists judges legislate from the
bench, you are elated. When right-winger call names and post insulting
nonsense, you are the first to claim a halo and join in.

When anybody else does the same thing, you pout and call 'foul!'

Conclusion: you're a one-sided jackass who cannot see past his own
immediate gratification. Science degree? Business? What difference does
it make in the face the above listed serious personality handicap(s)?

Personally, I think you're also a socialist agitator with the goal of
making the pro-Bush neoconservatives look bad, but that's just me.
Doesn't change the above listed logical & definite conclusion.

DSK

What about stolen gubernatorial elections?

*******************

That's of some concern. When the hand-picked, ultra conservative, right
wing judge from the most pro-Republican county in Washington state
threw Dino Rossi and the Republicans out the courthouse door and into
the street yesterday, he was careful to note that he based his ruling
on applicable state laws. (Don't you hate that? Shouldn't he have taken
an "activist" stance and handed the decision to his cronies?) While the
judge concluded that statewide there were about 1800 illegal votes,
(out of almost three million), the only evidence presented in court
showing any candidate benefitted from any of those votes indicated that
four of the 1800 had voted for Dino Rossi, and there was no other
evidence presented by either side to indicate how the remaining
0.00000005% (or whatever) actually voted. The judge had no legal choice
except to recognize that the probability that all those illegal voters
had voted for Gregoire was no higher than the probability that they had
all voted for Rossi. Any other conclusion would be based on a guess,
not evidence.

There was no evidence submitted that showed how many of the illegal
voters, if any, even cast a vote in the governor's race on the general
election ballot. A certain percentage of voters in WA voted for
candidates runing for POTUS and little or nothing else last November.

However, the Republicans carried the day in an important sense. Having
narrowly lost the election by a riculously tiny margin, the only thing
the GOP could hope to do would be taint the Democrats with rumors and
claims of criminal conspiracies. They have had an additional seven
months after the election to keep their scandalous headlines, absurd
accusations, etc, in the public eye. Rossi shrewdly threw in the towel
after yesterday's ruling and rebuke by Judge Bridges; the State Supreme
Court is more liberal than Judge Bridges, and by law neither party can
introduce any new evidence (in other words, correct the errors of their
first case) during an appeal. Carrying the fight forward from here
would taint Rossi as a "sore loser" and damage his future political
prospects. Among the die-hard Republicans, Rossi still enjoys a lot of
support and he will have a leg-up in early contributions and
organization should he decide to run for public office in the future.
(Watch out, Senator Cantwell)

You probably aren't aware of this, down in FLA, but earlier this year
the Repubs trotted out a long list of very specific charges of fraud
and criminal activity they claimed swung the election to Gregoire.
Funny thing- not one of those truly outrageous charges actually came up
in the courtroom. They didn't come up in court because when the
Republicans were deposed in pre-trail precedings they declined to
repeat *under oath* the same charges they were planting in the
newspapers and on talk radio. Why do you suppose that would be? (hint,
becuase they weren't based on fact) While the charges were never
presented in court, they continue to circulate on right wing radio
shows, etc.

Politics as usual. And too bad. That's the main reason I'm an
independent, rather than a straight ticket voter.

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What about stolen gubernatorial elections?

*******************

That's of some concern. When the hand-picked, ultra conservative, right
wing judge from the most pro-Republican county in Washington state
threw Dino Rossi and the Republicans out the courthouse door and into
the street yesterday, he was careful to note that he based his ruling
on applicable state laws. (Don't you hate that? Shouldn't he have taken
an "activist" stance and handed the decision to his cronies?) While the
judge concluded that statewide there were about 1800 illegal votes,
(out of almost three million), the only evidence presented in court
showing any candidate benefitted from any of those votes indicated that
four of the 1800 had voted for Dino Rossi, and there was no other
evidence presented by either side to indicate how the remaining
0.00000005% (or whatever) actually voted. The judge had no legal choice
except to recognize that the probability that all those illegal voters
had voted for Gregoire was no higher than the probability that they had
all voted for Rossi. Any other conclusion would be based on a guess,
not evidence.

There was no evidence submitted that showed how many of the illegal
voters, if any, even cast a vote in the governor's race on the general
election ballot. A certain percentage of voters in WA voted for
candidates runing for POTUS and little or nothing else last November.

However, the Republicans carried the day in an important sense. Having
narrowly lost the election by a riculously tiny margin, the only thing
the GOP could hope to do would be taint the Democrats with rumors and
claims of criminal conspiracies. They have had an additional seven
months after the election to keep their scandalous headlines, absurd
accusations, etc, in the public eye. Rossi shrewdly threw in the towel
after yesterday's ruling and rebuke by Judge Bridges; the State Supreme
Court is more liberal than Judge Bridges, and by law neither party can
introduce any new evidence (in other words, correct the errors of their
first case) during an appeal. Carrying the fight forward from here
would taint Rossi as a "sore loser" and damage his future political
prospects.

Like Sore Loserman?


Among the die-hard Republicans, Rossi still enjoys a lot of
support and he will have a leg-up in early contributions and
organization should he decide to run for public office in the future.
(Watch out, Senator Cantwell)

Ah, yes, Ms. Cantwell. Another Dem who stole her way into office.


You probably aren't aware of this, down in FLA, but earlier this year
the Repubs trotted out a long list of very specific charges of fraud
and criminal activity they claimed swung the election to Gregoire.
Funny thing- not one of those truly outrageous charges actually came up
in the courtroom. They didn't come up in court because when the
Republicans were deposed in pre-trail precedings they declined to
repeat *under oath* the same charges they were planting in the
newspapers and on talk radio. Why do you suppose that would be? (hint,
becuase they weren't based on fact)

Facts sometimes have nothing to do with why evidence isn't presented in
court. Evidence that would convince 9 out of 10 reasonable people is
sometimes inadmissable in a court room.

While the charges were never
presented in court, they continue to circulate on right wing radio
shows, etc.

Politics as usual. And too bad. That's the main reason I'm an
independent, rather than a straight ticket voter.

Hehehe. Independently (and consistently) leaning towards the Democratic
Party.

Gould is independent as long as the candidate is ultra leftwing. Heck Gould
thinks Harry is a moderate. ; )


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wrote in message
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What about stolen gubernatorial elections?

*******************

That's of some concern. When the hand-picked, ultra conservative, right
wing judge from the most pro-Republican county in Washington state
threw Dino Rossi and the Republicans out the courthouse door and into
the street yesterday, he was careful to note that he based his ruling
on applicable state laws. (Don't you hate that? Shouldn't he have taken
an "activist" stance and handed the decision to his cronies?) While the
judge concluded that statewide there were about 1800 illegal votes,
(out of almost three million), the only evidence presented in court
showing any candidate benefitted from any of those votes indicated that
four of the 1800 had voted for Dino Rossi, and there was no other
evidence presented by either side to indicate how the remaining
0.00000005% (or whatever) actually voted. The judge had no legal choice
except to recognize that the probability that all those illegal voters
had voted for Gregoire was no higher than the probability that they had
all voted for Rossi. Any other conclusion would be based on a guess,
not evidence.

There was no evidence submitted that showed how many of the illegal
voters, if any, even cast a vote in the governor's race on the general
election ballot. A certain percentage of voters in WA voted for
candidates runing for POTUS and little or nothing else last November.

However, the Republicans carried the day in an important sense. Having
narrowly lost the election by a riculously tiny margin, the only thing
the GOP could hope to do would be taint the Democrats with rumors and
claims of criminal conspiracies. They have had an additional seven
months after the election to keep their scandalous headlines, absurd
accusations, etc, in the public eye. Rossi shrewdly threw in the towel
after yesterday's ruling and rebuke by Judge Bridges; the State Supreme
Court is more liberal than Judge Bridges, and by law neither party can
introduce any new evidence (in other words, correct the errors of their
first case) during an appeal. Carrying the fight forward from here
would taint Rossi as a "sore loser" and damage his future political
prospects.

Like Sore Loserman?


Among the die-hard Republicans, Rossi still enjoys a lot of
support and he will have a leg-up in early contributions and
organization should he decide to run for public office in the future.
(Watch out, Senator Cantwell)

Ah, yes, Ms. Cantwell. Another Dem who stole her way into office.


You probably aren't aware of this, down in FLA, but earlier this year
the Repubs trotted out a long list of very specific charges of fraud
and criminal activity they claimed swung the election to Gregoire.
Funny thing- not one of those truly outrageous charges actually came up
in the courtroom. They didn't come up in court because when the
Republicans were deposed in pre-trail precedings they declined to
repeat *under oath* the same charges they were planting in the
newspapers and on talk radio. Why do you suppose that would be? (hint,
becuase they weren't based on fact)

Facts sometimes have nothing to do with why evidence isn't presented in
court. Evidence that would convince 9 out of 10 reasonable people is
sometimes inadmissable in a court room.

While the charges were never
presented in court, they continue to circulate on right wing radio
shows, etc.

Politics as usual. And too bad. That's the main reason I'm an
independent, rather than a straight ticket voter.

Hehehe. Independently (and consistently) leaning towards the Democratic
Party.

"John Jay" wrote in message
...
Gould is independent as long as the candidate is ultra leftwing. Heck
Gould thinks Harry is a moderate. ; )

And Harry thinks Hillary is a moderate.

Awhile back, somebody posted a link where you took a test, and the results
showed where you fit on a line of people from ultra-left to ultra-right.

Without ever seeing the results, I accurately predicted *precisely* where
Gould and Harry ended up on the line. Later, I'll google up that thread.
Harry was in an almost exact tie with Hillary Clinton...and Gould was to the
left of both of them.

Chuckwrote hand picked
ultra conservative, right wing judge from the most pro-Republican county
in Washington
snipped

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Gee Chuck, Seems you're the only one in Wa state that knows Judge
Bridges party affiliation.

True the Rossi brigade filed in Chelan, because 64% voted Rossi, but
donuts to dollars you're talking out a paper wazoo when it comes to
Judge Bridges.

Heres a hint, Judge Bridges was appointed by Gov Booth Gardner (dem) in
1988.

BTW, Whats that shiny Bling Bling thing sticking out of Bridges ear?

UD

I very much admire Judge Bridges for the political courage he
displayed.

He answers to an electorate in a county that is almost as "R" as King
County is "D".
(As you know, Kerry got 80% of the vote in King County).

At the time the Republicans filed they said there were two reasons they
selected Judge Bridges.

1) He is one of the few judges in the state who had previously heard an
election challenge.
(He overturned an election for Mayor of Wenatchee, IIRC)

2) They expected a "fair" (as in "friendly") hearing in the courtroom
of a judge with a conservative track record subject to removal by the
voters in an extremely conservative county.

That thing sticking out of his ear is a diamond stud. Just because a
guy is a conservative
doesn't mean he can't be stylish, or even a bit avante garde. Who do
you think is buying all those $35,000 motorcycles these days? A bunch
of the market is 60-year-old businessmen
and based on demographics alone most of them are probably
Republicans.......meaning, of course, that they only ride those
Harley's to church picnics. :-)

BTW, I considered voting for Rossi. I liked the guy on a personal
level. Gregoire was only so-so as an AG. In the end, I finally went for
Christine Gregoire because she had better initials. (just kidding). In
the end, I was turned off by the *very* dirty last minute campaigning
by the Rossi campaign and by the independent PAC groups supporting him.
Dino Rossi I could stand, but the people he was obviously going to
surround himself were not appealing at all. It was a race that boiled
down to the lesser of two evils- and the almost perfectly 50/50 split
across the state probably indicated that most people had a tough time
figuring out who the lesser evil was. In a county where Kerry took 80%
of the vote, I think Gregoire's percentage was down in the 60's, so a
lot of people with progressive preferences obviously struggled with the
same decision I did.

Judge Bridges showed a lot of guts, and did his job without caving in
to political pressure. If he ever runs for a statewide office I would
have to consider his candidacy very carefully.