wrote in message
oups.com...
What about stolen gubernatorial elections?

*******************

That's of some concern. When the hand-picked, ultra conservative, right
wing judge from the most pro-Republican county in Washington state
threw Dino Rossi and the Republicans out the courthouse door and into
the street yesterday, he was careful to note that he based his ruling
on applicable state laws. (Don't you hate that? Shouldn't he have taken
an "activist" stance and handed the decision to his cronies?) While the
judge concluded that statewide there were about 1800 illegal votes,
(out of almost three million), the only evidence presented in court
showing any candidate benefitted from any of those votes indicated that
four of the 1800 had voted for Dino Rossi, and there was no other
evidence presented by either side to indicate how the remaining
0.00000005% (or whatever) actually voted. The judge had no legal choice
except to recognize that the probability that all those illegal voters
had voted for Gregoire was no higher than the probability that they had
all voted for Rossi. Any other conclusion would be based on a guess,
not evidence.

There was no evidence submitted that showed how many of the illegal
voters, if any, even cast a vote in the governor's race on the general
election ballot. A certain percentage of voters in WA voted for
candidates runing for POTUS and little or nothing else last November.

However, the Republicans carried the day in an important sense. Having
narrowly lost the election by a riculously tiny margin, the only thing
the GOP could hope to do would be taint the Democrats with rumors and
claims of criminal conspiracies. They have had an additional seven
months after the election to keep their scandalous headlines, absurd
accusations, etc, in the public eye. Rossi shrewdly threw in the towel
after yesterday's ruling and rebuke by Judge Bridges; the State Supreme
Court is more liberal than Judge Bridges, and by law neither party can
introduce any new evidence (in other words, correct the errors of their
first case) during an appeal. Carrying the fight forward from here
would taint Rossi as a "sore loser" and damage his future political
prospects.

Like Sore Loserman?


Among the die-hard Republicans, Rossi still enjoys a lot of
support and he will have a leg-up in early contributions and
organization should he decide to run for public office in the future.
(Watch out, Senator Cantwell)

Ah, yes, Ms. Cantwell. Another Dem who stole her way into office.


You probably aren't aware of this, down in FLA, but earlier this year
the Repubs trotted out a long list of very specific charges of fraud
and criminal activity they claimed swung the election to Gregoire.
Funny thing- not one of those truly outrageous charges actually came up
in the courtroom. They didn't come up in court because when the
Republicans were deposed in pre-trail precedings they declined to
repeat *under oath* the same charges they were planting in the
newspapers and on talk radio. Why do you suppose that would be? (hint,
becuase they weren't based on fact)

Facts sometimes have nothing to do with why evidence isn't presented in
court. Evidence that would convince 9 out of 10 reasonable people is
sometimes inadmissable in a court room.

While the charges were never
presented in court, they continue to circulate on right wing radio
shows, etc.

Politics as usual. And too bad. That's the main reason I'm an
independent, rather than a straight ticket voter.

Hehehe. Independently (and consistently) leaning towards the Democratic
Party.

Around 6/7/2005 12:10 PM, NOYB wrote:

"Garth Almgren" wrote in message
...

Around 6/7/2005 11:00 AM, HarryKrause wrote:

But diebold got away with it, bigtime.

Yep: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ and http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/5921.html


Hahahahaha.

blackboxvoting

dot org. That's the one.

You find verifiable election fraud amusing? Or maybe the thought of
voting machines that a savvy 12-year-old can hack _undetectably_ tickles
your fancy? Anything to get Bush another term, eh?


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

Indeed. Thank goodness Rossi didn't get away with it.


NOYB wrote:
You mean, Rossi, the guy who won the election, and the first recount?

No, he means Rossi the guy who lost the election and couldn't accept the
results, and who is *still* hinting and insinuating things that he
doesn't dare say in court.

DSK

Around 6/7/2005 12:09 PM, NOYB wrote:

"Garth Almgren" wrote in message
...

Around 6/7/2005 10:09 AM, NOYB wrote:

I was referring to Gregoire.


Indeed. Thank goodness Rossi didn't get away with it.

You mean, Rossi, the guy who won the election, and the first recount?

Nope, I mean Rossi, the guy who almost stole the election but ultimately
lost, as verified by the hand recount and upheld by Chelan County
Superior Court Judge John Bridges.


--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:10:23 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Yep: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ and

Hahahahaha.

blackboxvoting...and black helicopters too!


Geez NOYB, there are some very real dangers associated with paperless,
electronic voting. Concerns for anyone, Democrat or Republican, who
believes in the democratic process.

Gould is independent as long as the candidate is ultra leftwing. Heck Gould
thinks Harry is a moderate. ; )


"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...
What about stolen gubernatorial elections?

*******************

That's of some concern. When the hand-picked, ultra conservative, right
wing judge from the most pro-Republican county in Washington state
threw Dino Rossi and the Republicans out the courthouse door and into
the street yesterday, he was careful to note that he based his ruling
on applicable state laws. (Don't you hate that? Shouldn't he have taken
an "activist" stance and handed the decision to his cronies?) While the
judge concluded that statewide there were about 1800 illegal votes,
(out of almost three million), the only evidence presented in court
showing any candidate benefitted from any of those votes indicated that
four of the 1800 had voted for Dino Rossi, and there was no other
evidence presented by either side to indicate how the remaining
0.00000005% (or whatever) actually voted. The judge had no legal choice
except to recognize that the probability that all those illegal voters
had voted for Gregoire was no higher than the probability that they had
all voted for Rossi. Any other conclusion would be based on a guess,
not evidence.

There was no evidence submitted that showed how many of the illegal
voters, if any, even cast a vote in the governor's race on the general
election ballot. A certain percentage of voters in WA voted for
candidates runing for POTUS and little or nothing else last November.

However, the Republicans carried the day in an important sense. Having
narrowly lost the election by a riculously tiny margin, the only thing
the GOP could hope to do would be taint the Democrats with rumors and
claims of criminal conspiracies. They have had an additional seven
months after the election to keep their scandalous headlines, absurd
accusations, etc, in the public eye. Rossi shrewdly threw in the towel
after yesterday's ruling and rebuke by Judge Bridges; the State Supreme
Court is more liberal than Judge Bridges, and by law neither party can
introduce any new evidence (in other words, correct the errors of their
first case) during an appeal. Carrying the fight forward from here
would taint Rossi as a "sore loser" and damage his future political
prospects.

Like Sore Loserman?


Among the die-hard Republicans, Rossi still enjoys a lot of
support and he will have a leg-up in early contributions and
organization should he decide to run for public office in the future.
(Watch out, Senator Cantwell)

Ah, yes, Ms. Cantwell. Another Dem who stole her way into office.


You probably aren't aware of this, down in FLA, but earlier this year
the Repubs trotted out a long list of very specific charges of fraud
and criminal activity they claimed swung the election to Gregoire.
Funny thing- not one of those truly outrageous charges actually came up
in the courtroom. They didn't come up in court because when the
Republicans were deposed in pre-trail precedings they declined to
repeat *under oath* the same charges they were planting in the
newspapers and on talk radio. Why do you suppose that would be? (hint,
becuase they weren't based on fact)

Facts sometimes have nothing to do with why evidence isn't presented in
court. Evidence that would convince 9 out of 10 reasonable people is
sometimes inadmissable in a court room.

While the charges were never
presented in court, they continue to circulate on right wing radio
shows, etc.

Politics as usual. And too bad. That's the main reason I'm an
independent, rather than a straight ticket voter.

Hehehe. Independently (and consistently) leaning towards the Democratic
Party.

"John Jay" wrote in message
...
Gould is independent as long as the candidate is ultra leftwing. Heck
Gould thinks Harry is a moderate. ; )

And Harry thinks Hillary is a moderate.

Awhile back, somebody posted a link where you took a test, and the results
showed where you fit on a line of people from ultra-left to ultra-right.

Without ever seeing the results, I accurately predicted *precisely* where
Gould and Harry ended up on the line. Later, I'll google up that thread.
Harry was in an almost exact tie with Hillary Clinton...and Gould was to the
left of both of them.

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"John Jay" wrote in message
...
Gould is independent as long as the candidate is ultra leftwing. Heck
Gould thinks Harry is a moderate. ; )

And Harry thinks Hillary is a moderate.

Awhile back, somebody posted a link where you took a test, and the results
showed where you fit on a line of people from ultra-left to ultra-right.

Without ever seeing the results, I accurately predicted *precisely* where
Gould and Harry ended up on the line. Later, I'll google up that thread.
Harry was in an almost exact tie with Hillary Clinton...and Gould was to
the left of both of them.



The *real* Hillary came out this weekend.

According to her...."There has never been an administration, I don't
believe, in our history more intent upon consolidating and abusing power to
further their own agenda," she said of President Bush."

A tough act she has to follow...being a liberal extremists to her NY
constituents and appearing as a moderate to the US electorate

But in the end the fact that she is facing re-election in 2006 must now take
priority.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...9/101215.shtml

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=827267

Keep it up Hillary. ;-)

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:10:23 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Yep: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ and

Hahahahaha.

blackboxvoting...and black helicopters too!


Geez NOYB, there are some very real dangers associated with paperless,
electronic voting. Concerns for anyone, Democrat or Republican, who
believes in the democratic process.

The US House of Representatives use electonic voting. Are you against that
too?

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 19:10:23 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Yep: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ and

Hahahahaha.

blackboxvoting...and black helicopters too!


Geez NOYB, there are some very real dangers associated with paperless,
electronic voting. Concerns for anyone, Democrat or Republican, who
believes in the democratic process.

The US House of Representatives use electonic voting. Are you against that
too?



Most likely not until the House became a republican majority.