"John H" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:12:42 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

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Please do. And please give us permission to try out some of your recipes!

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My recipies are freely available to all. It's my way of keeping track of
them - I figured why not make them available to others.


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Peter Aitken

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:12:42 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

28 foot walkarounds. Thanks to all for the info and advice. I'll have to
plan a strategy! But given the high reputation of both boats we will
probably buy on price unless one seems markedly better than the other in a
trial. I'll be sure to report back!

Pursuit- buy the Pursuit!!!

Later,

Tom

OK - but why?


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Peter Aitken

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:54:16 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:12:42 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

28 foot walkarounds. Thanks to all for the info and advice. I'll have to
plan a strategy! But given the high reputation of both boats we will
probably buy on price unless one seems markedly better than the other in a
trial. I'll be sure to report back!

Pursuit- buy the Pursuit!!!

OK - but why?

I like the name - manly name - Pursuit. I own a Pursuit.

Grady White sounds like a Sanford and Son character. :)

Seriously, dollar for dollar, the Pursuit will probably give you more
boat. I contend that Grady's are over priced much like Boston Whalers
are.

It does not mean that Grady's are any less of a boat than Pursuit - I
just think that your dollar will stretch further in a Pursuit than it
will in a Grady.

My Dad's first boat was a Grady White back in the wood boat days - a
twenty foot hard top cruiser and it was a great boat. I fish with
some guys who have 282 Grady's and I have not had a bad day on their
boats.

However, Pursuit, in particular in the class you are looking at, ride
the same, are very well built and will most likely cost you less money
initially. Pursuits also hold their value well - not quite as well as
a Grady, but still - if you maintain your boat, it will retain most of
it's real value.

As long as you are in the 28' category, you might want to look at one
of these.

http://www.contender.com/fleet_31F.asp?t=8

I gotta tell you - this is one hell of a boat.

In any case, play dumb, ask questions, don't let on that you know
anything and have fun looking.

Good luck.

Later,

Tom

Hey Tom,

From the site you posted below:

stand up head and complete gallery

Exactly what type of gallery comes with the contender. I'm a fan of the
neo-impressionists, but if it's a really good boat, I'm flexible.... ;-)


--Mike

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:54:16 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:12:42 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

28 foot walkarounds. Thanks to all for the info and advice. I'll have to
plan a strategy! But given the high reputation of both boats we will
probably buy on price unless one seems markedly better than the other in
a
trial. I'll be sure to report back!

Pursuit- buy the Pursuit!!!

OK - but why?

I like the name - manly name - Pursuit. I own a Pursuit.

Grady White sounds like a Sanford and Son character. :)

Seriously, dollar for dollar, the Pursuit will probably give you more
boat. I contend that Grady's are over priced much like Boston Whalers
are.

It does not mean that Grady's are any less of a boat than Pursuit - I
just think that your dollar will stretch further in a Pursuit than it
will in a Grady.

My Dad's first boat was a Grady White back in the wood boat days - a
twenty foot hard top cruiser and it was a great boat. I fish with
some guys who have 282 Grady's and I have not had a bad day on their
boats.

However, Pursuit, in particular in the class you are looking at, ride
the same, are very well built and will most likely cost you less money
initially. Pursuits also hold their value well - not quite as well as
a Grady, but still - if you maintain your boat, it will retain most of
it's real value.

As long as you are in the 28' category, you might want to look at one
of these.

http://www.contender.com/fleet_31F.asp?t=8

I gotta tell you - this is one hell of a boat.

In any case, play dumb, ask questions, don't let on that you know
anything and have fun looking.

Good luck.

Later,

Tom

Wow, remind me not to see you if I want to buy a boat.


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ups.com...
What's a buyer to think g?

*******

Ah, yes. The old "see me last" pitch.

A buyer is to think that both salespeople are reluctant to spend the
afternoon demoing the boat knowing full well that when they move in for
the close you've got a built-in blowout, "But I haven't tried Brand X
yet!"

The best chance to close you, and at the highest negotiatied price, is
during the "excitement" following your test spin.

If both boats are fairly comparable, odds are that you *will* buy the
boat you demo last. The first boat would have to make some sort of
enormous impression that goes well beyond merely being competitive in
its class to remain the favorite as you take the second boat out and
get all jazzed, again.

The second salesman also has the advantage of learning from the first
salesman's errors and/or your reactions. Just about the time you
comment, "I would have bought that other boat, but I don't like the
idea of construction characteristic X," the second salesman suddenly
gets very stupid about whether his boat also incorporates the same
item. If the items are similar in price, and the price is negotiable,
the second salesperson also enjoys the advantage of dealing with a
customer who has some idea of what it will take to buy the other
product. Even if you play your cards close to the vest and don't
divulge the "deal" you've been offered, you still have a basis for
comparison and are more likely to make a decision when you believe you
are offered an equally competitive or more favorable deal by the second
dealer.

All the first salesman can hope for is that the second salesman will
really screw up. Knocking the product is a classic. Second guy says,
"You demo'd the Brand X? What a piece of crap! I wouldn't try to
paddle across a mudpuddle in one of those!" Buyer thinks, "Hmmm, my
research led me to believe that Brand X and Brand Y were both pretty
good boats, but if the Brand Y guy is right and there's all this stuff
wrong with Brand X, my reasearch on Brand Y is probably not very good
either and I better hold off making any decision at all."

The only other effective tool, and it shouldn't be underestimated, is
that a good rapport or relationship with the salesperson will often
carry the day when two very similar products are being compared. In my
life I've made hundreds of sales, (and probably lost tens of
thousands), because the buyers ultimately made a decision based on
which salesperson they "felt better" about.

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:54:11 GMT, "mgg" wrote:

Hey Tom,

From the site you posted below:

stand up head and complete gallery

Exactly what type of gallery comes with the contender. I'm a fan of the
neo-impressionists, but if it's a really good boat, I'm flexible.... ;-)

It's a really good boat and the galley/head is pretty standard for
this type of boat. Small range and refrigerator - you could do a
whole meal on one as long as you didn't need to bake anything. There
is an available microwave. The head is a good size - I can get in it
and I'm 6'3", 250.

Look at it this way. If there are two of you, it's great - nicely
appointed cabin space with berth, smallish setee, etc. If there are
more than two of you, this isn't the boat.

Later,

Tom

On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:53:54 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:12:42 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

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Please do. And please give us permission to try out some of your recipes!

--

My recipies are freely available to all. It's my way of keeping track of
them - I figured why not make them available to others.

For being so nice, I'll give you one of my favorites.

Baked Potato Salad

4 -5 pounds Baking Potatoes, peeled, cut in 3/4" chunks
1/4 cup Olive or vegetable oil
2 Envelopes Italian salad dressing mix
1 medium Green pepper - chopped
1 medium Sweet red pepper - chopped
1 bunch Green onions -- chopped
2 large Tomatoes - chopped and drained
4 Hard boiled eggs - chopped
6 slices Crisp Bacon - crumbled
¾ cup Mayo
¾ cup Sour Cream
1 tablespoon Vinegar
1 tablespoon Lemon juice
2 teaspoons Dried basil
1 teaspoon Salt
1 teaspoon Pepper
½ teaspoon Garlic powder

In a large bowl, toss the potatoes with oil and dressing mix. Place the
potatoes in a greased pan large enough to hold them. Bake at 400 degrees for
about 45 minutes or until tender. Put in refrigerator to cool.

Mix the last eight ingredients in a large measuring cup or small bowl.

When the potatoes have cooled, transfer them to a large pot. Add the peppers,
onions, tomatoes, eggs, bacon, and the mixture from the small bowl. Mix well,
but gently.

Transfer to serving dish, cover with saran wrap, and refrigerated for a couple
hours.

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Hi Peter,
I am a marine insurance agent. From my stand point, both of them are
great boats. I think it comes down to your personal preferences
Thanks
Jamie

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:24:14 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit
and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we
want. The Grady White salesman tells me:

"Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will
be
clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White
owner"

Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me:

"Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will
be
clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner"

What's a buyer to think g?

Don't forget that, "after the sale" thing..... You are not only
buying a boat, but you are partnering with the service department of
your chosen dealership...

I know, but how to judge them ahead of time? One possible factor is that we
will be keeping the boat at the marina that is also the Pursuit dealer.


--
Peter Aitken

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:43:09 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:24:14 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit
and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we
want. The Grady White salesman tells me:

"Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will
be
clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White
owner"

Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me:

"Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will
be
clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner"

What's a buyer to think g?

Don't forget that, "after the sale" thing..... You are not only
buying a boat, but you are partnering with the service department of
your chosen dealership...

I know, but how to judge them ahead of time? One possible factor is that we
will be keeping the boat at the marina that is also the Pursuit dealer.

I would sure give that some weight!

Speaking of which, have you ever heard of using a 'weighted matrix' to help with
your decision making. You have the two alternatives (Pursuit and GW), now you
must make a list of the criteria which are important to you, e.g. number of rod
holders, price, fuel capacity, top speed, rod carrying capacity, number of live
wells, etc. Then, on a scale (say 1 to 9) rank the level of importance of each
of your criteria. Rather than me explain it, here is an example:

http://userwebs.cth.com.au/~gcutts/M...ted_matrix.htm

This can be a useful tool in the decision making process.

--
John H

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real
...."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003