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Boat salesmanship?
I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit
and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? -- Peter Aitken Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm |
"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
. com... I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? I think the reps for the two manufacturers have been cocktailing together at industry conventions, and they both forgot who was supposed to teach what line to the retail salesmen. :-) |
What's a buyer to think g?
******* Ah, yes. The old "see me last" pitch. A buyer is to think that both salespeople are reluctant to spend the afternoon demoing the boat knowing full well that when they move in for the close you've got a built-in blowout, "But I haven't tried Brand X yet!" The best chance to close you, and at the highest negotiatied price, is during the "excitement" following your test spin. If both boats are fairly comparable, odds are that you *will* buy the boat you demo last. The first boat would have to make some sort of enormous impression that goes well beyond merely being competitive in its class to remain the favorite as you take the second boat out and get all jazzed, again. The second salesman also has the advantage of learning from the first salesman's errors and/or your reactions. Just about the time you comment, "I would have bought that other boat, but I don't like the idea of construction characteristic X," the second salesman suddenly gets very stupid about whether his boat also incorporates the same item. If the items are similar in price, and the price is negotiable, the second salesperson also enjoys the advantage of dealing with a customer who has some idea of what it will take to buy the other product. Even if you play your cards close to the vest and don't divulge the "deal" you've been offered, you still have a basis for comparison and are more likely to make a decision when you believe you are offered an equally competitive or more favorable deal by the second dealer. All the first salesman can hope for is that the second salesman will really screw up. Knocking the product is a classic. Second guy says, "You demo'd the Brand X? What a piece of crap! I wouldn't try to paddle across a mudpuddle in one of those!" Buyer thinks, "Hmmm, my research led me to believe that Brand X and Brand Y were both pretty good boats, but if the Brand Y guy is right and there's all this stuff wrong with Brand X, my reasearch on Brand Y is probably not very good either and I better hold off making any decision at all." The only other effective tool, and it shouldn't be underestimated, is that a good rapport or relationship with the salesperson will often carry the day when two very similar products are being compared. In my life I've made hundreds of sales, (and probably lost tens of thousands), because the buyers ultimately made a decision based on which salesperson they "felt better" about. |
Peter Aitken wrote: I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? -- Peter Aitken Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm Pretty cool website you've got there, Peter! I like it! |
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:24:14 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote: I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? Chuck's got it right, but I always like to use a different technique - mainly, play stupid. And I never, EVER, tell the sales person exactly what I do and don't know about anything. My rule is to play stupid - and lie. "This is the first boat I've looked at - tell me about it". Don't tell them you are interested in anything - just getting information. The less informed you act, the more information you will receive. Later, Tom |
"Peter Aitken" wrote in message . com... I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? When I was looking at an Acura TL and an Infiniti G35, the Acura guy used the same line: "Please drive the Infiniti first. Then when you drive the Acura, you'll see how much sweeter of a car it is." Unfortunately for him, one ride in the G told me all I needed to know. I bought the Infiniti on the spot. Pursuit and Grady both make fine boats. I doubt you could go wrong with either one. If it were pre-1998 boats that you were comparing, I'd say go with the Pursuit. Grady didn't start using Marine grade XL wood until then...and water intrusion used to cause a lot of trouble with the older Grady's. Today's Grady is as nice as any other boat out there, IMHO. What size boat are you looking at? |
wrote in message ups.com... What's a buyer to think g? ******* Ah, yes. The old "see me last" pitch. A buyer is to think that both salespeople are reluctant to spend the afternoon demoing the boat knowing full well that when they move in for the close you've got a built-in blowout, "But I haven't tried Brand X yet!" The best chance to close you, and at the highest negotiatied price, is during the "excitement" following your test spin. If both boats are fairly comparable, odds are that you *will* buy the boat you demo last. The first boat would have to make some sort of enormous impression that goes well beyond merely being competitive in its class to remain the favorite as you take the second boat out and get all jazzed, again. The second salesman also has the advantage of learning from the first salesman's errors and/or your reactions. Just about the time you comment, "I would have bought that other boat, but I don't like the idea of construction characteristic X," the second salesman suddenly gets very stupid about whether his boat also incorporates the same item. If the items are similar in price, and the price is negotiable, the second salesperson also enjoys the advantage of dealing with a customer who has some idea of what it will take to buy the other product. Even if you play your cards close to the vest and don't divulge the "deal" you've been offered, you still have a basis for comparison and are more likely to make a decision when you believe you are offered an equally competitive or more favorable deal by the second dealer. All the first salesman can hope for is that the second salesman will really screw up. Knocking the product is a classic. Second guy says, "You demo'd the Brand X? What a piece of crap! I wouldn't try to paddle across a mudpuddle in one of those!" Buyer thinks, "Hmmm, my research led me to believe that Brand X and Brand Y were both pretty good boats, but if the Brand Y guy is right and there's all this stuff wrong with Brand X, my reasearch on Brand Y is probably not very good either and I better hold off making any decision at all." All very good points. The only other effective tool, and it shouldn't be underestimated, is that a good rapport or relationship with the salesperson will often carry the day when two very similar products are being compared. In my life I've made hundreds of sales, (and probably lost tens of thousands), because the buyers ultimately made a decision based on which salesperson they "felt better" about. Which is probably what will happen here. Both the Grady and the Pursuit are fine boats. |
"NOYB" wrote in message
... "Peter Aitken" wrote in message . com... I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? When I was looking at an Acura TL and an Infiniti G35, the Acura guy used the same line: "Please drive the Infiniti first. Then when you drive the Acura, you'll see how much sweeter of a car it is." Unfortunately for him, one ride in the G told me all I needed to know. I bought the Infiniti on the spot. Pursuit and Grady both make fine boats. I doubt you could go wrong with either one. If it were pre-1998 boats that you were comparing, I'd say go with the Pursuit. Grady didn't start using Marine grade XL wood until then...and water intrusion used to cause a lot of trouble with the older Grady's. Today's Grady is as nice as any other boat out there, IMHO. What size boat are you looking at? 28 foot walkarounds. Thanks to all for the info and advice. I'll have to plan a strategy! But given the high reputation of both boats we will probably buy on price unless one seems markedly better than the other in a trial. I'll be sure to report back! -- Peter Aitken |
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:12:42 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message ... "Peter Aitken" wrote in message . com... I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? When I was looking at an Acura TL and an Infiniti G35, the Acura guy used the same line: "Please drive the Infiniti first. Then when you drive the Acura, you'll see how much sweeter of a car it is." Unfortunately for him, one ride in the G told me all I needed to know. I bought the Infiniti on the spot. Pursuit and Grady both make fine boats. I doubt you could go wrong with either one. If it were pre-1998 boats that you were comparing, I'd say go with the Pursuit. Grady didn't start using Marine grade XL wood until then...and water intrusion used to cause a lot of trouble with the older Grady's. Today's Grady is as nice as any other boat out there, IMHO. What size boat are you looking at? 28 foot walkarounds. Thanks to all for the info and advice. I'll have to plan a strategy! But given the high reputation of both boats we will probably buy on price unless one seems markedly better than the other in a trial. I'll be sure to report back! Please do. And please give us permission to try out some of your recipes! -- John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!) |
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:12:42 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote: 28 foot walkarounds. Thanks to all for the info and advice. I'll have to plan a strategy! But given the high reputation of both boats we will probably buy on price unless one seems markedly better than the other in a trial. I'll be sure to report back! Pursuit- buy the Pursuit!!! Later, Tom |
"John H" wrote in message
... On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:12:42 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote: snipped Please do. And please give us permission to try out some of your recipes! -- My recipies are freely available to all. It's my way of keeping track of them - I figured why not make them available to others. -- Peter Aitken |
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:12:42 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote: 28 foot walkarounds. Thanks to all for the info and advice. I'll have to plan a strategy! But given the high reputation of both boats we will probably buy on price unless one seems markedly better than the other in a trial. I'll be sure to report back! Pursuit- buy the Pursuit!!! Later, Tom OK - but why? -- Peter Aitken |
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:54:16 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:12:42 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote: 28 foot walkarounds. Thanks to all for the info and advice. I'll have to plan a strategy! But given the high reputation of both boats we will probably buy on price unless one seems markedly better than the other in a trial. I'll be sure to report back! Pursuit- buy the Pursuit!!! OK - but why? I like the name - manly name - Pursuit. I own a Pursuit. Grady White sounds like a Sanford and Son character. :) Seriously, dollar for dollar, the Pursuit will probably give you more boat. I contend that Grady's are over priced much like Boston Whalers are. It does not mean that Grady's are any less of a boat than Pursuit - I just think that your dollar will stretch further in a Pursuit than it will in a Grady. My Dad's first boat was a Grady White back in the wood boat days - a twenty foot hard top cruiser and it was a great boat. I fish with some guys who have 282 Grady's and I have not had a bad day on their boats. However, Pursuit, in particular in the class you are looking at, ride the same, are very well built and will most likely cost you less money initially. Pursuits also hold their value well - not quite as well as a Grady, but still - if you maintain your boat, it will retain most of it's real value. As long as you are in the 28' category, you might want to look at one of these. http://www.contender.com/fleet_31F.asp?t=8 I gotta tell you - this is one hell of a boat. In any case, play dumb, ask questions, don't let on that you know anything and have fun looking. Good luck. Later, Tom |
Hey Tom,
From the site you posted below: stand up head and complete gallery Exactly what type of gallery comes with the contender. I'm a fan of the neo-impressionists, but if it's a really good boat, I'm flexible.... ;-) --Mike "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:54:16 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote: "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:12:42 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote: 28 foot walkarounds. Thanks to all for the info and advice. I'll have to plan a strategy! But given the high reputation of both boats we will probably buy on price unless one seems markedly better than the other in a trial. I'll be sure to report back! Pursuit- buy the Pursuit!!! OK - but why? I like the name - manly name - Pursuit. I own a Pursuit. Grady White sounds like a Sanford and Son character. :) Seriously, dollar for dollar, the Pursuit will probably give you more boat. I contend that Grady's are over priced much like Boston Whalers are. It does not mean that Grady's are any less of a boat than Pursuit - I just think that your dollar will stretch further in a Pursuit than it will in a Grady. My Dad's first boat was a Grady White back in the wood boat days - a twenty foot hard top cruiser and it was a great boat. I fish with some guys who have 282 Grady's and I have not had a bad day on their boats. However, Pursuit, in particular in the class you are looking at, ride the same, are very well built and will most likely cost you less money initially. Pursuits also hold their value well - not quite as well as a Grady, but still - if you maintain your boat, it will retain most of it's real value. As long as you are in the 28' category, you might want to look at one of these. http://www.contender.com/fleet_31F.asp?t=8 I gotta tell you - this is one hell of a boat. In any case, play dumb, ask questions, don't let on that you know anything and have fun looking. Good luck. Later, Tom |
Wow, remind me not to see you if I want to buy a boat.
wrote in message ups.com... What's a buyer to think g? ******* Ah, yes. The old "see me last" pitch. A buyer is to think that both salespeople are reluctant to spend the afternoon demoing the boat knowing full well that when they move in for the close you've got a built-in blowout, "But I haven't tried Brand X yet!" The best chance to close you, and at the highest negotiatied price, is during the "excitement" following your test spin. If both boats are fairly comparable, odds are that you *will* buy the boat you demo last. The first boat would have to make some sort of enormous impression that goes well beyond merely being competitive in its class to remain the favorite as you take the second boat out and get all jazzed, again. The second salesman also has the advantage of learning from the first salesman's errors and/or your reactions. Just about the time you comment, "I would have bought that other boat, but I don't like the idea of construction characteristic X," the second salesman suddenly gets very stupid about whether his boat also incorporates the same item. If the items are similar in price, and the price is negotiable, the second salesperson also enjoys the advantage of dealing with a customer who has some idea of what it will take to buy the other product. Even if you play your cards close to the vest and don't divulge the "deal" you've been offered, you still have a basis for comparison and are more likely to make a decision when you believe you are offered an equally competitive or more favorable deal by the second dealer. All the first salesman can hope for is that the second salesman will really screw up. Knocking the product is a classic. Second guy says, "You demo'd the Brand X? What a piece of crap! I wouldn't try to paddle across a mudpuddle in one of those!" Buyer thinks, "Hmmm, my research led me to believe that Brand X and Brand Y were both pretty good boats, but if the Brand Y guy is right and there's all this stuff wrong with Brand X, my reasearch on Brand Y is probably not very good either and I better hold off making any decision at all." The only other effective tool, and it shouldn't be underestimated, is that a good rapport or relationship with the salesperson will often carry the day when two very similar products are being compared. In my life I've made hundreds of sales, (and probably lost tens of thousands), because the buyers ultimately made a decision based on which salesperson they "felt better" about. |
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:54:11 GMT, "mgg" wrote:
Hey Tom, From the site you posted below: stand up head and complete gallery Exactly what type of gallery comes with the contender. I'm a fan of the neo-impressionists, but if it's a really good boat, I'm flexible.... ;-) It's a really good boat and the galley/head is pretty standard for this type of boat. Small range and refrigerator - you could do a whole meal on one as long as you didn't need to bake anything. There is an available microwave. The head is a good size - I can get in it and I'm 6'3", 250. Look at it this way. If there are two of you, it's great - nicely appointed cabin space with berth, smallish setee, etc. If there are more than two of you, this isn't the boat. Later, Tom |
On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:53:54 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:12:42 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote: snipped Please do. And please give us permission to try out some of your recipes! -- My recipies are freely available to all. It's my way of keeping track of them - I figured why not make them available to others. For being so nice, I'll give you one of my favorites. Baked Potato Salad 4 -5 pounds Baking Potatoes, peeled, cut in 3/4" chunks 1/4 cup Olive or vegetable oil 2 Envelopes Italian salad dressing mix 1 medium Green pepper - chopped 1 medium Sweet red pepper - chopped 1 bunch Green onions -- chopped 2 large Tomatoes - chopped and drained 4 Hard boiled eggs - chopped 6 slices Crisp Bacon - crumbled ¾ cup Mayo ¾ cup Sour Cream 1 tablespoon Vinegar 1 tablespoon Lemon juice 2 teaspoons Dried basil 1 teaspoon Salt 1 teaspoon Pepper ½ teaspoon Garlic powder In a large bowl, toss the potatoes with oil and dressing mix. Place the potatoes in a greased pan large enough to hold them. Bake at 400 degrees for about 45 minutes or until tender. Put in refrigerator to cool. Mix the last eight ingredients in a large measuring cup or small bowl. When the potatoes have cooled, transfer them to a large pot. Add the peppers, onions, tomatoes, eggs, bacon, and the mixture from the small bowl. Mix well, but gently. Transfer to serving dish, cover with saran wrap, and refrigerated for a couple hours. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Hi Peter,
I am a marine insurance agent. From my stand point, both of them are great boats. I think it comes down to your personal preferences Thanks Jamie |
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
... On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:24:14 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote: I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? Don't forget that, "after the sale" thing..... You are not only buying a boat, but you are partnering with the service department of your chosen dealership... I know, but how to judge them ahead of time? One possible factor is that we will be keeping the boat at the marina that is also the Pursuit dealer. -- Peter Aitken |
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 15:43:09 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote:
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:24:14 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote: I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? Don't forget that, "after the sale" thing..... You are not only buying a boat, but you are partnering with the service department of your chosen dealership... I know, but how to judge them ahead of time? One possible factor is that we will be keeping the boat at the marina that is also the Pursuit dealer. I would sure give that some weight! Speaking of which, have you ever heard of using a 'weighted matrix' to help with your decision making. You have the two alternatives (Pursuit and GW), now you must make a list of the criteria which are important to you, e.g. number of rod holders, price, fuel capacity, top speed, rod carrying capacity, number of live wells, etc. Then, on a scale (say 1 to 9) rank the level of importance of each of your criteria. Rather than me explain it, here is an example: http://userwebs.cth.com.au/~gcutts/M...ted_matrix.htm This can be a useful tool in the decision making process. -- John H "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 |
"Peter Aitken" wrote in message . com... "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:24:14 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote: I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? Don't forget that, "after the sale" thing..... You are not only buying a boat, but you are partnering with the service department of your chosen dealership... I know, but how to judge them ahead of time? One possible factor is that we will be keeping the boat at the marina that is also the Pursuit dealer. That's not always a good thing. The last two marinas that I stored my boat at consistently overcharged me(sometimes 3 to 4 times the estimate). I had very little recourse, because if I made a stink, they'd toss me out of the storage...knowing there was a 6 month wait to get into another one. |
Sorry, you didn't get the joke. I quoted the text off the website and it has
a typo...'gallery' instead of 'galley' hence my remark about art...oh well ;-/ --Mike P.S. I *do* think it's a fine boat however. "Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:54:11 GMT, "mgg" wrote: Hey Tom, From the site you posted below: stand up head and complete gallery Exactly what type of gallery comes with the contender. I'm a fan of the neo-impressionists, but if it's a really good boat, I'm flexible.... ;-) It's a really good boat and the galley/head is pretty standard for this type of boat. Small range and refrigerator - you could do a whole meal on one as long as you didn't need to bake anything. There is an available microwave. The head is a good size - I can get in it and I'm 6'3", 250. Look at it this way. If there are two of you, it's great - nicely appointed cabin space with berth, smallish setee, etc. If there are more than two of you, this isn't the boat. Later, Tom |
Peter Aitken wrote in message . com... I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? -- Peter Aitken Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm The difference won't be the boat ... it will be the sea conditions at the time of the trial. Unless you can try both boats on the same day, in the same area... it ain't a fair comparison. Pick a rotten, windy, choppy day for both and buy the one you feel more comfortable in. Eisboch |
On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 01:17:37 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote: Peter Aitken wrote in message .com... I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? -- Peter Aitken Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm The difference won't be the boat ... it will be the sea conditions at the time of the trial. Unless you can try both boats on the same day, in the same area... it ain't a fair comparison. Pick a rotten, windy, choppy day for both and buy the one you feel more comfortable in. Dude!! The barbarians are at the gate!! Glad you are back. :) Later, Tom |
On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 22:35:06 GMT, Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 17:35:20 -0400, "NOYB" wrote: "Peter Aitken" wrote in message r.com... "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:24:14 GMT, "Peter Aitken" wrote: I had to laugh at this. We have narrowed our boat choices to two, Pursuit and Grady White. I am arranging sea trials so we can decide which one we want. The Grady White salesman tells me: "Please try the Pursuit first. Then when you try the Grady White it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Grady White owner" Then I call the Pursuit salesman to arrange the trial.. He tells me: "Please try the Grady White first. Then when you try the Pursuit it will be clear how much better it is. I guarantee you'll end up a Pursuit owner" What's a buyer to think g? Don't forget that, "after the sale" thing..... You are not only buying a boat, but you are partnering with the service department of your chosen dealership... I know, but how to judge them ahead of time? One possible factor is that we will be keeping the boat at the marina that is also the Pursuit dealer. That's not always a good thing. The last two marinas that I stored my boat at consistently overcharged me(sometimes 3 to 4 times the estimate). I had very little recourse, because if I made a stink, they'd toss me out of the storage...knowing there was a 6 month wait to get into another one. This *is* a cunundrum.. akin to Pavlog's dogs... are *they* captive because you are giving them *extra* business by storing your boat there or are *you* captive because they consider maintenance a given, since you are storing your boat there....? As NOYB implicitly suggests.... I'd consider storage separate from maintenance... in fact... as I consider this... perhaps preventive maintenance should be kept separate from non-scheduled maintenance...... certainly not a binary decision since there are so many variables specific to your situation.... I suggest including this into the equations provided by Tom..... The final decision *will* be the result of binary thinking! -- John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!) |
On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:25:55 GMT, Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 07:26:13 -0400, John H wrote: The final decision *will* be the result of binary thinking! Unlikely, unless, of course, you and R2D2 share the same genetic map.... ....perhaps you have mastered the binary encoding of emotion and passion.... all of which muddy the transitorized concept of making a major purchase..... ....not the least of your problems, on this one, is the insurmountable complexities and technological absurdities of digitizing the first mate's cognitive matricies and writing a satisfactory interface such that you get *any* kind of binary output. Come to think of it, any sort of binary information output by the captain for processing by the first mate is likely to result in an unrecoverable system crash and any further input is unlikely to take place before significant repair and code overhaul. He will end up with a choice between two boats. He may consider a bunch of alternatives and have to weigh the merits of each. That is the analysis process. The decision is made after the analysis (I hope). -- John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes (A true binary thinker!) |
On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:25:55 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 07:26:13 -0400, John H wrote: The final decision *will* be the result of binary thinking! Unlikely, unless, of course, you and R2D2 share the same genetic map.... ....perhaps you have mastered the binary encoding of emotion and passion.... all of which muddy the transitorized concept of making a major purchase..... ....not the least of your problems, on this one, is the insurmountable complexities and technological absurdities of digitizing the first mate's cognitive matricies and writing a satisfactory interface such that you get *any* kind of binary output. Come to think of it, any sort of binary information output by the captain for processing by the first mate is likely to result in an unrecoverable system crash and any further input is unlikely to take place before significant repair and code overhaul. ~~snerk~~ |
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