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On Mon, 16 May 2005 00:07:29 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 19:46:19 -0400, Thomas Rangier nospam@nospam wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 22:07:29 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 22:01:57 GMT, Red CloudŽ wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 15:35:03 -0400, John H wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 18:45:37 GMT, Red CloudŽ wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 10:11:23 -0400, John H wrote: What's next? Pictures of your driveway? What a self absorbed schmuck! rusty redcloud No, but my neighbor's building a nice deck with a jacuzzi! How about if I take pictures of his progress and tell you it's *my* new deck? Well, if that's the best you can do... rusty redcloud It's the best I could do for now. I'll keep my eyes open for a nice long driveway to snap some pictures of, maybe even get one with some equipment on it. How would that be? Okay. I guess if that's all you've got. By the way - all decisions are NOT the result of binary thinking. Think about it... rusty redcloud Oh yes they are! Oh no they are not. Really! Ok - why not? Later, Tom Because you conciously decide what to type which is then converted into binary? As a result it was a binary thought, answer, decision, or question? OK, I am puzzled too. Just guessing! John's sig is rather simplistic (not that John is) because while being exactly true, it belies the process that goes behind making a decision. Later, Tom Most assuredly. It speaks nothing about problem identification, development of alternative courses of action, choosing the most appropriate course of action, and then deciding whether or not to implement it. Lots of work precedes the final decision, and I don't intend to imply that the work is simplistic. Just ask any woman trying to decide on which pair of shoes to buy! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
John's sig is rather simplistic (not that John is) because while being
exactly true, it belies the process that goes behind making a decision. And John H thinks you're agreeing with him... John H wrote: ..... Lots of work precedes the final decision, and I don't intend to imply that the work is simplistic. Just ask any woman trying to decide on which pair of shoes to buy! Well now, *that* is definitely a binary decision, because shoes come in pairs. DSK |
JohnH,
Harry is upset because you pop his bubble when he tries to make up his stories. He likes to go after you because he thinks he hurts your feelings talking about your military career and your "alcoholic buddies". It's nice to see you really don't care what Harry thinks. The reason he "ignores" some of us, is he knows we really don't give a rats ass what he thinks, and that is painful to someone with such a fragile ego. "John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 May 2005 18:13:46 -0400, "Harry.Krause" wrote: Red CloudŽ wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 15:35:03 -0400, John H wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 18:45:37 GMT, Red CloudŽ wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 10:11:23 -0400, John H wrote: What's next? Pictures of your driveway? What a self absorbed schmuck! rusty redcloud No, but my neighbor's building a nice deck with a jacuzzi! How about if I take pictures of his progress and tell you it's *my* new deck? Well, if that's the best you can do... rusty redcloud It's the best I could do for now. I'll keep my eyes open for a nice long driveway to snap some pictures of, maybe even get one with some equipment on it. How would that be? Okay. I guess if that's all you've got. By the way - all decisions are NOT the result of binary thinking. Think about it... rusty redcloud Oh yes they are! Oh no they are not. Really! rusty redcloud Herring spent most of his career in the military. Thinking was not required. In fact, it was discouraged. Such sweet music! Does this mean I am 'facilitating' your name-calling, Harry? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message ... Herring spent most of his career in the military. Thinking was not required. In fact, it was discouraged. Such sweet music! Does this mean I am 'facilitating' your name-calling, Harry? What name are *you* being called here, Herring? A military careerist? Is that name-calling? Harry it seems you have lost the ability to think. I am glad Gould does not facilitate his buddy Harry or Harry could be a real pain in the ass. |
On Sun, 15 May 2005 21:57:11 -0400, "The Snapper Trapper"
wrote: JohnH, Harry is upset because you pop his bubble when he tries to make up his stories. He likes to go after you because he thinks he hurts your feelings talking about your military career and your "alcoholic buddies". It's nice to see you really don't care what Harry thinks. The reason he "ignores" some of us, is he knows we really don't give a rats ass what he thinks, and that is painful to someone with such a fragile ego. I could not understand *anyone* caring a twit about what Harry thinks. And, I think you've nailed the 'ego' thing. Harry tries to **** people off enough to get a response which he then chalks up to his 'winning personality'. By claiming there is a 'fan club', he feeds it even more. He should really stick to simple stories, like: Today I went for a boat ride on someone's boat. Once he starts embellishing, he gets in trouble. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Sun, 15 May 2005 22:31:07 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote: John H wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 18:13:46 -0400, "Harry.Krause" wrote: Red CloudŽ wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 15:35:03 -0400, John H wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 18:45:37 GMT, Red CloudŽ wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 10:11:23 -0400, John H wrote: What's next? Pictures of your driveway? What a self absorbed schmuck! rusty redcloud No, but my neighbor's building a nice deck with a jacuzzi! How about if I take pictures of his progress and tell you it's *my* new deck? Well, if that's the best you can do... rusty redcloud It's the best I could do for now. I'll keep my eyes open for a nice long driveway to snap some pictures of, maybe even get one with some equipment on it. How would that be? Okay. I guess if that's all you've got. By the way - all decisions are NOT the result of binary thinking. Think about it... rusty redcloud Oh yes they are! Oh no they are not. Really! rusty redcloud Herring spent most of his career in the military. Thinking was not required. In fact, it was discouraged. Such sweet music! Does this mean I am 'facilitating' your name-calling, Harry? What name are *you* being called here, Herring? A military careerist? Is that name-calling? My goodness, Harry! Did you actually make a post without 'direct' name-calling? Wow! Name-calling by implication is also a specialty of yours, Harry. It is music of a more subtle nature, but yet so sweet. How gracious of you. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
When I originally posted this, I was only referring to theft, but in
todays Detroit Free Press, there is an article about stealing the VIN# in order to use it on stolen cars and gain false titles & license plates for the re- sale of the stolen car ================================= Actually, a lot of the new cars will only start with a key. There is a computer chip in the key now days and the car will not start without it. Makes a lot of sense getting a key at the dealer and steal the car. "William Andersen" wrote in message news:phvhe.26032$tQ.7297@fed1read06... So, is your car so special that a thief would take the time to get a key made for it? I'm sure thieves know how to start a car without the bother of a key. "N.L. Eckert" wrote in message ... Subject: Fw: VIN # Hi All I do not know if this is true or not as I have not checked it out as yet. But thought it interesting enough to forward and one can do as one wishes. I received this from a personal friend which I consider reliable. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: VIN # Subject: FW Your VIN #...more to look out for! Seems that car thieves have found yet another way to steal your car or truck without any effort at all. The car thieves peer through the windshield of your car or truck, write down the VIN # from the label on the dash, go to the local car dealership and request a duplicate key based on the VIN #. I didn't believe this e-mail, so I called a friend at Chrysler Dodge and pretended I had lost my keys. They told me to just bring in the VIN #, and they would cut me one on the spot, and I could order the keyless device if I wanted. The Car Dealer's Parts Department will make a duplicate key from the VIN #, and collect payment from the thief who will return to your car. He doesn't have to break in, do any damage to the vehicle, or draw attention to himself. All he has to do is walk up to your car, insert the key and off he goes to a local chop shop with your vehicle. You don't believe it? It IS that easy. To avoid this from happening to you, simply put some tape (electrical tape, duct tape or medical tape) across the VIN Metal Label located on the dash board. By law, you cannot remove the VIN, but you can cover it so it can't be viewed through the windshield by a car thief. I urge you to forward this to your friends before some other car thief steals another car or truck. I slipped a 3 x 5 card over the VIN #. . |
This is the text of the article in the Free Press in part.
==================================At least one area automobile dealer and some residents recently have suffered from one of the latest twists in automobile theft. With car cloning, thieves use vehicle identification numbers, or VINs, of parked cars and put them on a vehicle of the same model that has been stolen in another state or country. Thieves get documents that make the stolen vehicle seem legitimate. Cars are then sold to buyers who are unaware of the fraud until they try to register the vehicles and learn there's a duplicate. Jay Leonard, owner of Preferred Automotive Group in Ft. Wayne, where Weaver bought her vehicle, first heard of car cloning last week when a friend who bought a vehicle from him called to say police were on the way to his house to investigate whether his new Acura MDS was stolen. "I didn't believe it at first," Leonard said. "They said car cloning is being done by the Russian mafia out of Quebec, Canada." Fort Wayne Police Detective Joe Hullinger is investigating the cloning, which he said is being done outside the country. By the time vehicles are imported to the United States, the cloning is complete, he said. "We've seen it before and we know where some of it's coming from," he said. "Everything is forged to look legitimate." Often cloning is not immediately caught because of a lack of communication between states. For instance, people in New York might not know what's happening in California. Hullinger said he was unable to provide many details because of the ongoing investigation. Leonard said police told him between 5,000 and 6,000 cars had been cloned in Canada. The vehicles were stolen, duplicate VINs used, and then the cars were shipped to the United States for sale. Seven vehicles purchased for sale at Preferred Automotive were stolen with fraudulent VINs, something the dealership could do little about, Leonard said. Each of the vehicles purchased by the dealer undergoes a 96-point check and the CARFAX database is reviewed. CARFAX provides vehicle history records including information such as odometer readings and whether the vehicle was a rental car. Leonard said dealers check to make sure the VIN on the car and the title match, which the numbers do in the instance of cloning. Leonard said he's one of about 1,000 dealers who has fallen victim to cloning of vehicles that tend to be top of the line -- in Leonard's case, one Acura, two Cadillac Escalades, two Hummers and a Denali. While there's not a lot that dealerships can do to prevent cloning, Leonard is doing what he can to make the situation better for his customers. |
But Honda and Acura put the VIN number on the glass and other parts of the
car to help prevent car theives from stipping the car and selling off the parts. You going to cover up every location of the VIN number? On the glass you would have to put tape over it on the outside. -- Tony my boats and cars at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com - "N.L. Eckert" wrote in message ... This is the text of the article in the Free Press in part. ==================================At least one area automobile dealer and some residents recently have suffered from one of the latest twists in automobile theft. With car cloning, thieves use vehicle identification numbers, or VINs, of parked cars and put them on a vehicle of the same model that has been stolen in another state or country. Thieves get documents that make the stolen vehicle seem legitimate. Cars are then sold to buyers who are unaware of the fraud until they try to register the vehicles and learn there's a duplicate. Jay Leonard, owner of Preferred Automotive Group in Ft. Wayne, where Weaver bought her vehicle, first heard of car cloning last week when a friend who bought a vehicle from him called to say police were on the way to his house to investigate whether his new Acura MDS was stolen. "I didn't believe it at first," Leonard said. "They said car cloning is being done by the Russian mafia out of Quebec, Canada." Fort Wayne Police Detective Joe Hullinger is investigating the cloning, which he said is being done outside the country. By the time vehicles are imported to the United States, the cloning is complete, he said. "We've seen it before and we know where some of it's coming from," he said. "Everything is forged to look legitimate." Often cloning is not immediately caught because of a lack of communication between states. For instance, people in New York might not know what's happening in California. Hullinger said he was unable to provide many details because of the ongoing investigation. Leonard said police told him between 5,000 and 6,000 cars had been cloned in Canada. The vehicles were stolen, duplicate VINs used, and then the cars were shipped to the United States for sale. Seven vehicles purchased for sale at Preferred Automotive were stolen with fraudulent VINs, something the dealership could do little about, Leonard said. Each of the vehicles purchased by the dealer undergoes a 96-point check and the CARFAX database is reviewed. CARFAX provides vehicle history records including information such as odometer readings and whether the vehicle was a rental car. Leonard said dealers check to make sure the VIN on the car and the title match, which the numbers do in the instance of cloning. Leonard said he's one of about 1,000 dealers who has fallen victim to cloning of vehicles that tend to be top of the line -- in Leonard's case, one Acura, two Cadillac Escalades, two Hummers and a Denali. While there's not a lot that dealerships can do to prevent cloning, Leonard is doing what he can to make the situation better for his customers. |
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