"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I'm just sort of lurking here, but what does a survey cost for a boat like
the OP's got?


And how do you go about finding an independent surveyor?

--
Peter Aitken

On Fri, 06 May 2005 14:18:08 GMT, "tony thomas"
wrote:

By the way - what dealer does fiberglass repair.

http://www.ctboatworks.com/ctboatwor....html#complete

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I'm just sort of lurking here, but what does a survey cost for a boat
like the OP's got?


And how do you go about finding an independent surveyor?

--
Peter Aitken



A structural and general mechanical survey (excluding compression test of
engine[s]) varies according to the size of the boat. But consider $12 to
$14/foot as a rule of thumb. Mileage and travel costs may also be included.

We paid $250 in 1995 for a 27 footer and $400 in 1998 for a 32 footer.

A good place to start on finding a reputable surveyor is from other boaters
in your area. I would not use the surveyor recommended by the seller or
boat retailers.

Post the area you are in and if there are folks here from that general area
they can recommend someone.

Red Cloud© wrote:

On Fri, 06 May 2005 15:18:59 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

"Red Cloud©" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 May 2005 13:53:09 GMT, "Peter Aitken"
wrote:

"Red Cloud®" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 May 2005 00:22:01 GMT, "TC" wrote:

18' CC

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Why didn't your independant surveyor catch these problems before
you took
delivery?

I have never heard of using a surveyor for a new boat. Is this
common practice?

It is not nearly as common as it should be. It is, however, highly
recommended, and this poster's problems demonstartes exactly why
it is so valuable. He has now spent a large amount of money on a
boat that cannot be used, and will never be "right". He's going to
go through months, or years of aggravation, and further expense
for lawyers and nonsense before there is any chance of resolution.
Meanwhile his money is tied up, he has no boat, and he has added a
long stretch of stress misery and anguish to replace his boating
adventures.

Brand new boats always have minor flaws, which should be addressed
before acceptance. Some boats, such as this one have huge problems,
and should not be accepted for final purchase at all. A surveyor
will discover things long before they become apparent to the
consumer. This boat does not sound as if it would have made it
through a competent, professional survey. A survey costs
relatively little, and can save you a nightmare and large amounts
of time and money.

rusty redcloud

Interesting, particularly since we are in the process of shopping
for a new boat. It seems that most serious problems - such as the
ones in the original post - would not be found by a surveyor, or is
that not the case? Maybe its the approach of better to find some
problems even if you cannot find all of them?

A good, professional surveyor would have sounded the hull and found
the voids. Meanwhile, even minor problems are much less hassle to get

Hmmm. I wonder. In the old days, we checked for excessive body repair
by using a magnet. This WAS NOT done on every inch of the vehicle. I
don't know how big the voids were so I'm not sure if they could have
been picked up without being right on top of them.


Do you really want to leave your new boat with the dealer for several
weeks during season to have minor problems addressed? If they haven't
been paid yet, and you are refusing to take delivery, that stuff can
all be fixed so fast it will make your head spin. They will have to do
it right, too, because the surveyor is coming back to verify the
repairs, right?

I think I will have a surveyor come with me now though before I pick up
the boat. If I ever get to get it back.

"TC" wrote in message news:AVLee.2792 Actually, the
dealer wanted the manufacture to replace the hull and
they refused. I don't think I'd get anywhere calling the manufacture.

TC are you really looking for advice, or just want to complain about a piece
of **** boat?

"JimH" wrote in message
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Common, no. Recommended, yes. Even though the boat is new does not mean
it
will not have structural or mechanical problems.

So true. A very good friend of mine on Lake Cumberland, got a brand new
Parker a couple years ago. The gelcoat was delaming, and splitting away
within one week of delivery, and the company wasn't responsive to his
complaints. It was an obvious workmanship issue, and he ended up threatening
legal action against them, before they would even return his calls. My
friend finally prevailed, but only after months of crap from the factory. He
got a full refund, and vowed never to buy a Parker again.

Now I don't know if a surveyor would have picked this up, and I don't know
if this is par for a Parker, but when you are dealing with a company that's
conducts themselves in that manner, it sure wouldn't have hurt.

--
-Netsock

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."
http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

"JimH" wrote in message
news

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I'm just sort of lurking here, but what does a survey cost for a boat
like the OP's got?


And how do you go about finding an independent surveyor?

--
Peter Aitken



A structural and general mechanical survey (excluding compression test of
engine[s]) varies according to the size of the boat. But consider $12 to
$14/foot as a rule of thumb. Mileage and travel costs may also be
included.

We paid $250 in 1995 for a 27 footer and $400 in 1998 for a 32 footer.

A good place to start on finding a reputable surveyor is from other
boaters in your area. I would not use the surveyor recommended by the
seller or boat retailers.

Post the area you are in and if there are folks here from that general
area they can recommend someone.

And how would this surveyor tell that it was going to crack, and that there
were voids under the areas that hadn't cracked yet? You don't get x-rays
for 250 bucks.

del

"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
news

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
m...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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I'm just sort of lurking here, but what does a survey cost for a boat
like the OP's got?


And how do you go about finding an independent surveyor?

--
Peter Aitken



A structural and general mechanical survey (excluding compression test of
engine[s]) varies according to the size of the boat. But consider $12 to
$14/foot as a rule of thumb. Mileage and travel costs may also be
included.

We paid $250 in 1995 for a 27 footer and $400 in 1998 for a 32 footer.

A good place to start on finding a reputable surveyor is from other
boaters in your area. I would not use the surveyor recommended by the
seller or boat retailers.

Post the area you are in and if there are folks here from that general
area they can recommend someone.

And how would this surveyor tell that it was going to crack, and that
there were voids under the areas that hadn't cracked yet? You don't get
x-rays for 250 bucks.

del





No one is saying that the problem would have definitely been caught during a
structural survey Del. But on the other hand, perhaps he/she would have
found it by seeing tell tale signs of spider cracking of the gelcoat that
the buyer did not see.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 May 2005 14:18:08 GMT, "tony thomas"
wrote:

By the way - what dealer does fiberglass repair.

http://www.ctboatworks.com/ctboatwor....html#complete

I thought that was kind of an overly general question, too.

"Del Cecchi" wrote in message
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And how would this surveyor tell that it was going to crack, and that
there were voids under the areas that hadn't cracked yet? You don't get
x-rays for 250 bucks.

Smart people hire inspectors before they finalize a house purchase, and
often, the inspectors see stuff the buyer does not, because the customer's
all happy in la la land about the purchase. Same with boats.