Smokey 2-stroke
 

Hi,
(Geez, another boating-related topic! I gotta stop...)

My 1989 Johnson 15hp smokes a lot. It uses so little fuel that I've
forgotten when I fueled up, but I always put in 50:1. Is there other
reasons apart from too much oil in the gas which would make a 2-stroke
smoke? Is there a way to find out what the ratio IS (I might have
mis-calculated)? I want to sell the engine, and it's a Hard Sell when you
can't see the engine for smoke (Koff! Koff!)

It runs fine apart from the smoke.

Lloyd Sumpter
"The Tin Boat" Mirrocraft 12

Smokey 2-stroke
 

Lloyd,

Those were great motors and extremely popular. It is probably the mix ratio
if it smokes a lot even after it is warmed up but it could be adjusted a
little rich too.

I think it might be worth the investment to get some fresh gasoline and some
OMC/Johnson/Evinrude 2 cycle oil and mix it accurately to 50:1.

A friend here in Sacramento, CA, has a nice open 15' aluminum skiff on a
trailer with a 'not worn out' 15hp Chrysler 2 stroke. He just bought a new
Honda 20hp 4 stroke tiller and just had it out last week for the first time.
He said it was very quiet and smooth with no smoke. He said it makes him
want to go fishing now. He said his old motor must have been around 10hp by
now so it really feels much stronger now.

--
Bill Kiene

Kiene's Fly Shop
Sacramento, CA, USA

Web site: www.kiene.com


"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
Hi,
(Geez, another boating-related topic! I gotta stop...)

My 1989 Johnson 15hp smokes a lot. It uses so little fuel that I've
forgotten when I fueled up, but I always put in 50:1. Is there other
reasons apart from too much oil in the gas which would make a 2-stroke
smoke? Is there a way to find out what the ratio IS (I might have
mis-calculated)? I want to sell the engine, and it's a Hard Sell when you
can't see the engine for smoke (Koff! Koff!)

It runs fine apart from the smoke.

Lloyd Sumpter
"The Tin Boat" Mirrocraft 12

Smokey 2-stroke
 

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:49:45 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

Hi,
(Geez, another boating-related topic! I gotta stop...)

My 1989 Johnson 15hp smokes a lot. It uses so little fuel that I've
forgotten when I fueled up, but I always put in 50:1. Is there other
reasons apart from too much oil in the gas which would make a 2-stroke
smoke? Is there a way to find out what the ratio IS (I might have
mis-calculated)? I want to sell the engine, and it's a Hard Sell when you
can't see the engine for smoke (Koff! Koff!)

It runs fine apart from the smoke.

It the fuel is older, that could be a problem, but the oil may have
settled in the tank - needs to be mixed again - or the rings may need
to reseat themselves (run it for a while) - or the rings may be bad -
or the fuel mixture as you mentioned, but I believe that 50:1 is about
right for that vintage.

Later,

Tom

Smokey 2-stroke
 

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:49:45 -0800, Lloyd Sumpter wrote:


It runs fine apart from the smoke.

FYI, there are smokeless oils.

http://www.redlineoil.com/products.htm

Smokey 2-stroke
 

Hi,
(Geez, another boating-related topic! I gotta stop...)

No, dont stop now... You off topic posters sucessfully ran off Joe Reeves who
was a truely excellent source of free Evinrude/Johnson help.
Had he been here, you would have gotten a real answer of what to look for and
what to do. Now you will get answers like "remix the gas" or "try a four
stroke".

Maybe you guys will figure out why some of us had some respect for this group.

Enjoy the smoke, its no worse than the "smoke" you guys create in this group.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
Hi,
(Geez, another boating-related topic! I gotta stop...)

My 1989 Johnson 15hp smokes a lot. It uses so little fuel that I've
forgotten when I fueled up, but I always put in 50:1. Is there other
reasons apart from too much oil in the gas which would make a 2-stroke
smoke? Is there a way to find out what the ratio IS (I might have
mis-calculated)? I want to sell the engine, and it's a Hard Sell when you
can't see the engine for smoke (Koff! Koff!)

It runs fine apart from the smoke.

Lloyd Sumpter
"The Tin Boat" Mirrocraft 12


Lloyd,

That engine is to be mixed at 50:1, or a pint to the 6 Gallon factory
tank topped off (they hold about 6.2 gallons).

Oil seldom "settles out" of a fuel mixture, they mix well, and boat
motion keeps fuel mixed well too.

Long idling or slow operation will cause the crankcase to load up on
some engines, and they always clear with some high-speed operation.

An interested/knowledgeable buyer will not be discouraged by this
operation, but may try to use it as leverage in bargaining - this is
where you come in as the knowledgeable seller... Good Luck!

Rob

Smokey 2-stroke
 

Those were great motors and extremely popular. It is probably the mix
ratio
if it smokes a lot even after it is warmed up but it could be adjusted a
little rich too.

I think it might be worth the investment to get some fresh gasoline and
some
OMC/Johnson/Evinrude 2 cycle oil and mix it accurately to 50:1.


--
Bill Kiene



Lloyd,
I would do what Bill suggested first with the fresh gas and correct oil
mixture. If it still smoke real bad you might want to look at the
Carburetors. They may be loading up causing the rich gas/oil to dump in the
cylinders. Remember Gas burn better then Oil

Bill

Smokey 2-stroke
 

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:15:21 +0000, Bill wrote:

Those were great motors and extremely popular. It is probably the mix
ratio
if it smokes a lot even after it is warmed up but it could be adjusted a
little rich too.

I think it might be worth the investment to get some fresh gasoline and
some
OMC/Johnson/Evinrude 2 cycle oil and mix it accurately to 50:1.


--
Bill Kiene



Lloyd,
I would do what Bill suggested first with the fresh gas and correct oil mixture.
If it still smoke real bad you might want to look at the Carburetors. They may
be loading up causing the rich gas/oil to dump in the cylinders. Remember Gas
burn better then Oil

Bill

Sounds like I should "explore" a too-rich mixture. There's a knob on the front -
does that change mixture at all rpms or just idle (or what DOES it do?)

I want to get some fresh gas, but I'm not sure what to do with the old stuff.
My lawn mower would explode - it's electric!

Lloyd

Smokey 2-stroke
 

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:18:39 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:49:45 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote:

Hi,
(Geez, another boating-related topic! I gotta stop...)

My 1989 Johnson 15hp smokes a lot. It uses so little fuel that I've
forgotten when I fueled up, but I always put in 50:1. Is there other reasons
apart from too much oil in the gas which would make a 2-stroke smoke? Is there
a way to find out what the ratio IS (I might have mis-calculated)? I want to
sell the engine, and it's a Hard Sell when you can't see the engine for smoke
(Koff! Koff!)

It runs fine apart from the smoke.

It the fuel is older, that could be a problem, but the oil may have settled in
the tank - needs to be mixed again - or the rings may need to reseat themselves
(run it for a while) - or the rings may be bad - or the fuel mixture as you
mentioned, but I believe that 50:1 is about right for that vintage.


Hmmmm...why would bad rings make a 2-stroke smoke? It does seem to smoke less
after I've run it for awhile.

Lloyd

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:15:21 +0000, Bill wrote:

Those were great motors and extremely popular. It is probably the mix
ratio
if it smokes a lot even after it is warmed up but it could be adjusted
a
little rich too.

I think it might be worth the investment to get some fresh gasoline and
some
OMC/Johnson/Evinrude 2 cycle oil and mix it accurately to 50:1.


--
Bill Kiene



Lloyd,
I would do what Bill suggested first with the fresh gas and correct oil
mixture.
If it still smoke real bad you might want to look at the Carburetors.
They may
be loading up causing the rich gas/oil to dump in the cylinders.
Remember Gas
burn better then Oil

Bill

Sounds like I should "explore" a too-rich mixture. There's a knob on the
front -
does that change mixture at all rpms or just idle (or what DOES it do?)

I want to get some fresh gas, but I'm not sure what to do with the old
stuff.
My lawn mower would explode - it's electric!

Lloyd


Put it in a 5 gallon can and try the new fuel. You can always add a gallon
to your van every fillup.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:38:45 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:18:39 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 08:49:45 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter" wrote:

Hi,
(Geez, another boating-related topic! I gotta stop...)

My 1989 Johnson 15hp smokes a lot. It uses so little fuel that I've
forgotten when I fueled up, but I always put in 50:1. Is there other reasons
apart from too much oil in the gas which would make a 2-stroke smoke? Is there
a way to find out what the ratio IS (I might have mis-calculated)? I want to
sell the engine, and it's a Hard Sell when you can't see the engine for smoke
(Koff! Koff!)

It runs fine apart from the smoke.

It the fuel is older, that could be a problem, but the oil may have settled in
the tank - needs to be mixed again - or the rings may need to reseat themselves
(run it for a while) - or the rings may be bad - or the fuel mixture as you
mentioned, but I believe that 50:1 is about right for that vintage.

Hmmmm...why would bad rings make a 2-stroke smoke? It does seem to smoke less
after I've run it for awhile.

To be honest with you, I don't know. I had an '83 70 hp Johnson that
didn't smoke too much, but it was annoying. I also had low
compression one cylinder. Took the thing apart, honed the cylinders,
new rings, back together and no smoke.

I assume it has to do with incomplete combustion, but that's a guess.

Just being honest about it.

Later,

Tom

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net...
"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:15:21 +0000, Bill wrote:

Those were great motors and extremely popular. It is probably the mix
ratio
if it smokes a lot even after it is warmed up but it could be adjusted
a
little rich too.

I think it might be worth the investment to get some fresh gasoline and
some
OMC/Johnson/Evinrude 2 cycle oil and mix it accurately to 50:1.


--
Bill Kiene



Lloyd,
I would do what Bill suggested first with the fresh gas and correct oil
mixture.
If it still smoke real bad you might want to look at the Carburetors.
They may
be loading up causing the rich gas/oil to dump in the cylinders.
Remember Gas
burn better then Oil

Bill

Sounds like I should "explore" a too-rich mixture. There's a knob on the
front -
does that change mixture at all rpms or just idle (or what DOES it do?)

I want to get some fresh gas, but I'm not sure what to do with the old
stuff.
My lawn mower would explode - it's electric!

Lloyd


Put it in a 5 gallon can and try the new fuel. You can always add a gallon
to your van every fillup.

That should do wonders for the fuel injectors.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:15:21 +0000, Bill wrote:


Those were great motors and extremely popular. It is probably the mix

ratio

if it smokes a lot even after it is warmed up but it could be adjusted a
little rich too.

I think it might be worth the investment to get some fresh gasoline and

some

OMC/Johnson/Evinrude 2 cycle oil and mix it accurately to 50:1.


--
Bill Kiene



Lloyd,
I would do what Bill suggested first with the fresh gas and correct oil mixture.
If it still smoke real bad you might want to look at the Carburetors. They may
be loading up causing the rich gas/oil to dump in the cylinders. Remember Gas
burn better then Oil

Bill


Sounds like I should "explore" a too-rich mixture. There's a knob on the front -
does that change mixture at all rpms or just idle (or what DOES it do?)

I want to get some fresh gas, but I'm not sure what to do with the old stuff.
My lawn mower would explode - it's electric!

Lloyd


The knob on the front is a mixture needle for low speed only, the high
speed jets are fixed orifices on that engine.

Dump the old gas into any convenient car or truck. Sure, into a nearly
full tank of fresh gas would be best, but neither you nor the vehicle
will ever notice the difference, and no, your van won't smoke like a
2-stroke.

Rob

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
link.net...
"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:15:21 +0000, Bill wrote:

Those were great motors and extremely popular. It is probably the
mix
ratio
if it smokes a lot even after it is warmed up but it could be
adjusted
a
little rich too.

I think it might be worth the investment to get some fresh gasoline
and
some
OMC/Johnson/Evinrude 2 cycle oil and mix it accurately to 50:1.


--
Bill Kiene



Lloyd,
I would do what Bill suggested first with the fresh gas and correct
oil
mixture.
If it still smoke real bad you might want to look at the
Carburetors.
They may
be loading up causing the rich gas/oil to dump in the cylinders.
Remember Gas
burn better then Oil

Bill

Sounds like I should "explore" a too-rich mixture. There's a knob on
the
front -
does that change mixture at all rpms or just idle (or what DOES it
do?)

I want to get some fresh gas, but I'm not sure what to do with the old
stuff.
My lawn mower would explode - it's electric!

Lloyd


Put it in a 5 gallon can and try the new fuel. You can always add a
gallon
to your van every fillup.

That should do wonders for the fuel injectors.

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of topoil.
Bill

Smokey 2-stroke
 

I am still not sure what oil does "bad" for fuel injectors. I suppose the folks
with the EFI 2 strokes wonder too. 50:1 is really not much oil anyway.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

I use the new 100% synthetic Pennzoil TW3-W (all of the bottles don't
say this, but Pennzoil assured me it is rated that way) in my 2 stroke
dinghy motor and it seems to smoke and smell less than the other stuff.
Of course this costs twice as much as the regular, but hey, it's a
boating expense and doesn't really count, does it?

Capt. Jeff

Smokey 2-stroke
 

Messing In Boats wrote in message ...
I use the new 100% synthetic Pennzoil TW3-W (all of the bottles don't
say this, but Pennzoil assured me it is rated that way) in my 2 stroke
dinghy motor and it seems to smoke and smell less than the other stuff.
Of course this costs twice as much as the regular, but hey, it's a
boating expense and doesn't really count, does it?

Capt. Jeff

Nah, the added expense is really neglegible. Seeing how it's a boat,
twice the cost is not bad!!!!

Smokey 2-stroke
 

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
link.net...
"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:15:21 +0000, Bill wrote:

Those were great motors and extremely popular. It is probably the
mix
ratio
if it smokes a lot even after it is warmed up but it could be
adjusted
a
little rich too.

I think it might be worth the investment to get some fresh gasoline
and
some
OMC/Johnson/Evinrude 2 cycle oil and mix it accurately to 50:1.


--
Bill Kiene



Lloyd,
I would do what Bill suggested first with the fresh gas and correct
oil
mixture.
If it still smoke real bad you might want to look at the
Carburetors.
They may
be loading up causing the rich gas/oil to dump in the cylinders.
Remember Gas
burn better then Oil

Bill

Sounds like I should "explore" a too-rich mixture. There's a knob on
the
front -
does that change mixture at all rpms or just idle (or what DOES it
do?)

I want to get some fresh gas, but I'm not sure what to do with the old
stuff.
My lawn mower would explode - it's electric!

Lloyd


Put it in a 5 gallon can and try the new fuel. You can always add a
gallon
to your van every fillup.

That should do wonders for the fuel injectors.

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of topoil.
Bill

sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of
topoil.
Bill

"basskisser" wrote
sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.

This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob, but
....) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy

Smokey 2-stroke
 

Griss wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of

topoil.

Bill

"basskisser" wrote

sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.


This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob, but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy



Oh please.

Dump it right in straight, fuel injected or carbed. Seriously... you
and the car will not even notice. Every FI car since my '85 Crown Vic
and every carbed car from 1973 up has injested whatever 50:1 I had left
in the spring with no adverse results at all except they get rusty with
12 years and 200,000 miles on them.

Rob

Smokey 2-stroke
 

It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly with a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw passage in any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"Greg" wrote in message
...
It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually
pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly with a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw passage in
any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.



And on Lloyds, S10, they are big. It is throttle body injection. Just a
big 2 injector unit above the throttle plates.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
Griss wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of

topoil.

Bill

"basskisser" wrote

sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.


This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've
actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a
rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob,
but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution
of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy



Oh please.

Dump it right in straight, fuel injected or carbed. Seriously... you
and the car will not even notice. Every FI car since my '85 Crown Vic
and every carbed car from 1973 up has injested whatever 50:1 I had left
in the spring with no adverse results at all except they get rusty with
12 years and 200,000 miles on them.

Rob

And there are very few multi-port injection cars out their. And my new
diesel, due to be delivered Friday (Damn! senile, old handyman can afford
better vehicles, boats, houses than a Georgia PE) burns light oil. The #2
diesel is probably heavier / thicker than 50:1 boat gas.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
Griss wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of

topoil.

Bill

"basskisser" wrote

sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.


This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've
actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a
rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob,
but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution
of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy



Oh please.

Dump it right in straight, fuel injected or carbed. Seriously... you
and the car will not even notice. Every FI car since my '85 Crown Vic
and every carbed car from 1973 up has injested whatever 50:1 I had left
in the spring with no adverse results at all except they get rusty with
12 years and 200,000 miles on them.

Rob

And there are very few multi-port injection cars out their. And my new
diesel, due to be delivered Friday (Damn! senile, old handyman can afford
better vehicles, boats, houses than a Georgia PE) burns light oil. The #2
diesel is probably heavier / thicker than 50:1 boat gas.

Anybody can afford a new vehicle. I simply prefer to keep my old ones
running in great shape, and keep my money. I don't need to drive a
phallic symbol.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
Griss wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of

topoil.

Bill

"basskisser" wrote

sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.


This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've
actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a
rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob,
but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution
of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy



Oh please.

Dump it right in straight, fuel injected or carbed. Seriously... you
and the car will not even notice. Every FI car since my '85 Crown Vic
and every carbed car from 1973 up has injested whatever 50:1 I had left
in the spring with no adverse results at all except they get rusty with
12 years and 200,000 miles on them.

Rob

And there are very few multi-port injection cars out their. And my new
diesel, due to be delivered Friday (Damn! senile, old handyman can afford
better vehicles, boats, houses than a Georgia PE) burns light oil. The #2
diesel is probably heavier / thicker than 50:1 boat gas.

Gee, Bill, ever stop to think that possibly, maybe, a diesel engine is
MADE to burn diesel fuel, and a gasoline engine is not?? Now, again,
go ask a representitive of an injector manufacturer, or a rep from
Ford, GM, on and on, and ask them if they think it wise to but 50:1
premix in the fuel tank.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net...
"Greg" wrote in message
...
It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually
pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly with a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw passage in
any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.



And on Lloyds, S10, they are big. It is throttle body injection. Just a
big 2 injector unit above the throttle plates.

Do this: Ask a representitive of GM if it is okay to do so. Let me
know what there technicians say.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"Griss" wrote in message ...
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of
topoil.
Bill

"basskisser" wrote
sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.

This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob, but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy

Shouldn't be a problem in a carb engine. Again, it PROBABLY wouldn't
hurt a FI engine, either, but it CAN.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

2


"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Greg" wrote in message
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It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY
tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually
pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly
with a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw
passage in
any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.



And on Lloyds, S10, they are big. It is throttle body injection. Just
a
big 2 injector unit above the throttle plates.

Do this: Ask a representitive of GM if it is okay to do so. Let me
know what there technicians say.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

3


"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
(Greg) wrote in message
...
It's more viscous. Meaning, it isn't made to fit through the VERY tiny
openings in a typical fuel injector.

Who told you the orifice in a fuel injector was "tiny". It is actually
pretty
big and they manage fuel flow by pulsing it open and closed rapidly with
a
pulse width modulator. It is certainly as big as the idle screw passage
in any
outboard or even the main jet in a small outboard.
Guess again.

Guess again, my ass!!!! Go ask any manufacturer of fuel injectors if
they think it's prudent, and wise to run premix through there
injectors. Let me know what their technicians say.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

4


"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
Griss wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of

topoil.

Bill

"basskisser" wrote

sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor
oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also.
The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.


This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've
actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at
a
rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some
carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no
prob,
but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a
dilution
of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy



Oh please.

Dump it right in straight, fuel injected or carbed. Seriously... you
and the car will not even notice. Every FI car since my '85 Crown Vic
and every carbed car from 1973 up has injested whatever 50:1 I had
left
in the spring with no adverse results at all except they get rusty
with
12 years and 200,000 miles on them.

Rob

And there are very few multi-port injection cars out their. And my new
diesel, due to be delivered Friday (Damn! senile, old handyman can
afford
better vehicles, boats, houses than a Georgia PE) burns light oil. The
#2
diesel is probably heavier / thicker than 50:1 boat gas.

Gee, Bill, ever stop to think that possibly, maybe, a diesel engine is
MADE to burn diesel fuel, and a gasoline engine is not?? Now, again,
go ask a representitive of an injector manufacturer, or a rep from
Ford, GM, on and on, and ask them if they think it wise to but 50:1
premix in the fuel tank.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

So far this argument seems to be between people who THINK running premix in
their car will have dire circumstances for a number of irrational reasons and
people who have actually done it with no problems. I tend to believe the people
with actual experience before I will believe fear mongers with none.
If you think it will hurt your car, then just throw the gas away in some
environmentally responsible way ... or give it to me ;-)

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
hlink.net...
"trainfan1" wrote in message
...
Griss wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of

topoil.

Bill

"basskisser" wrote

sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor
oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also.
The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.


This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've
actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at
a
rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some
carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no
prob,
but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a
dilution
of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy



Oh please.

Dump it right in straight, fuel injected or carbed. Seriously... you
and the car will not even notice. Every FI car since my '85 Crown Vic
and every carbed car from 1973 up has injested whatever 50:1 I had
left
in the spring with no adverse results at all except they get rusty
with
12 years and 200,000 miles on them.

Rob

And there are very few multi-port injection cars out their. And my new
diesel, due to be delivered Friday (Damn! senile, old handyman can
afford
better vehicles, boats, houses than a Georgia PE) burns light oil. The
#2
diesel is probably heavier / thicker than 50:1 boat gas.

Gee, Bill, ever stop to think that possibly, maybe, a diesel engine is
MADE to burn diesel fuel, and a gasoline engine is not?? Now, again,
go ask a representitive of an injector manufacturer, or a rep from
Ford, GM, on and on, and ask them if they think it wise to but 50:1
premix in the fuel tank.

Well, my 1989 S10 pickup has ran for a long time and I had to run it on
premix to get to a gas station one time. And the gas station was a long
ways from the run out of gas point. This meant the truck ran on 100%
premix. Has a 178,000 miles on it and is still running good.

Smokey 2-stroke
 

Rob

And there are very few multi-port injection cars out their. And my new
diesel, due to be delivered Friday (Damn! senile, old handyman can
afford
better vehicles, boats, houses than a Georgia PE) burns light oil. The
#2
diesel is probably heavier / thicker than 50:1 boat gas.

Gee, Bill, ever stop to think that possibly, maybe, a diesel engine is
MADE to burn diesel fuel, and a gasoline engine is not?? Now, again,
go ask a representitive of an injector manufacturer, or a rep from
Ford, GM, on and on, and ask them if they think it wise to but 50:1
premix in the fuel tank.


Well Asskisser have you ever asked a Truck Driver if he ever put Gasoline in
his Diesel Fuel tank. I have and Also done this. I helps keep the injectors
clean and in the winter when the temperature gets real low it helps keep the
fuel from turning to gel. Yes turning to Gel. But I guess you all ready know
this....Because you think you know everything. Only in your own mind..
Running 50:1 gas and oil will not hurt anything in any Car or Truck with
Injectors, Throttle body or Carburetor) Oh how is Harry? Have you too been
doing any more backdoor stuff...

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Griss" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote

15 gallons of fresh and a gallon of 25:1. less oil than a can of
topoil.
Bill

"basskisser" wrote
sorry Bill, should have simpled it down for you. Two stroke motor oil
is not the same as a "can of topoil". Fuel injectors aren't made to
have oil pushed through them, leaving deposits, eventually gumming
them up beyond working condition. Contact a representative of a
reputable company that manufactures fuel injectors, say, Bosch, and
see what they say. There are other negative factors involved also. The
added exhaust particulates, when read by the O2 sensor, makes the
computer think there is a rich condition, then tries to lean it out.

This sounds like a reasonable caution to me and the first time I've
actually
had it explained to me. As I earlier posted, I've used old 50:1, at a
rate
of a few gallons to a tank full a couple of times in my cars, some carb.
some FI. It makes sense not to do it in the FI rigs (so far, no prob,
but
...) , but what do you think about carbureted vehicles, at a dilution
of,
say 5 gal 50:1 to 15 - 20 gal regular fuel?

Grissy

Shouldn't be a problem in a carb engine. Again, it PROBABLY wouldn't
hurt a FI engine, either, but it CAN.

Don't listen to asskisser just look at his Name ASSKISSER. Do I need to say
more?

Smokey 2-stroke
 

Bill wrote:

Rob

And there are very few multi-port injection cars out their. And my new
diesel, due to be delivered Friday (Damn! senile, old handyman can

afford

better vehicles, boats, houses than a Georgia PE) burns light oil. The

#2

diesel is probably heavier / thicker than 50:1 boat gas.

Gee, Bill, ever stop to think that possibly, maybe, a diesel engine is
MADE to burn diesel fuel, and a gasoline engine is not?? Now, again,
go ask a representitive of an injector manufacturer, or a rep from
Ford, GM, on and on, and ask them if they think it wise to but 50:1
premix in the fuel tank.



Well Asskisser have you ever asked a Truck Driver if he ever put Gasoline in
his Diesel Fuel tank. I have and Also done this.=

At every fill-up, one presumes, and you get what, one engine to the
tankful?

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote:

Rob

And there are very few multi-port injection cars out their. And my new
diesel, due to be delivered Friday (Damn! senile, old handyman can

afford

better vehicles, boats, houses than a Georgia PE) burns light oil. The

#2

diesel is probably heavier / thicker than 50:1 boat gas.

Gee, Bill, ever stop to think that possibly, maybe, a diesel engine is
MADE to burn diesel fuel, and a gasoline engine is not?? Now, again,
go ask a representitive of an injector manufacturer, or a rep from
Ford, GM, on and on, and ask them if they think it wise to but 50:1
premix in the fuel tank.



Well Asskisser have you ever asked a Truck Driver if he ever put
Gasoline in
his Diesel Fuel tank. I have and Also done this.=

At every fill-up, one presumes, and you get what, one engine to the
tankful?

Actually the engine will blow up with 100% gasoline, but in very cold areas,
the truckers do add gas to the diesel.
Bill

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"Bill" wrote in message ...
Rob

And there are very few multi-port injection cars out their. And my new
diesel, due to be delivered Friday (Damn! senile, old handyman can
afford
better vehicles, boats, houses than a Georgia PE) burns light oil. The
#2
diesel is probably heavier / thicker than 50:1 boat gas.

Gee, Bill, ever stop to think that possibly, maybe, a diesel engine is
MADE to burn diesel fuel, and a gasoline engine is not?? Now, again,
go ask a representitive of an injector manufacturer, or a rep from
Ford, GM, on and on, and ask them if they think it wise to but 50:1
premix in the fuel tank.


Well Asskisser have you ever asked a Truck Driver if he ever put Gasoline in
his Diesel Fuel tank. I have and Also done this. I helps keep the injectors
clean and in the winter when the temperature gets real low it helps keep the
fuel from turning to gel. Yes turning to Gel. But I guess you all ready know
this....Because you think you know everything. Only in your own mind..
Running 50:1 gas and oil will not hurt anything in any Car or Truck with
Injectors, Throttle body or Carburetor) Oh how is Harry? Have you too been
doing any more backdoor stuff...

What to hell does that have to do with running pre-mix through
injectors that were made for gasoline???? Now, I've been around trucks
all of my life. All four of my cousins, who lived across the street
were truck drivers. In western NY. It gets very cold there, so, yes, I
already know this! Now, how to hell does putting a little gasoline in
diesel fuel compare to running pre-mix through fuel injectors that
were made for gasoline ONLY???

Smokey 2-stroke
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:MMZac.10784
Gee, Bill, ever stop to think that possibly, maybe, a diesel engine is
MADE to burn diesel fuel, and a gasoline engine is not?? Now, again,
go ask a representitive of an injector manufacturer, or a rep from
Ford, GM, on and on, and ask them if they think it wise to but 50:1
premix in the fuel tank.

Well, my 1989 S10 pickup has ran for a long time and I had to run it on
premix to get to a gas station one time. And the gas station was a long
ways from the run out of gas point. This meant the truck ran on 100%
premix. Has a 178,000 miles on it and is still running good.

Oh, I see. Because you got away with it ONCE, and only for a short
duration, that qualifies it as a good idea to run pre-mix in a fuel
injected gasoline motor, huh?