"DSK" wrote in message
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Wait a minute, first you are criticizing Kerry for pandering to them,

NOYB wrote:
He did pander to them.

And that's a bad thing? What about Bush & Cheney's pandering? Or is it
only "bad" because it looks like a Democrat might get some of that
voting bloc?


I never said it was a bad thing. You did. I said he lied.

I *did* say lying is a bad thing. You don't seem to think so.




now you want to use their judgement to condemn him?


I'm not using their judgement.

Really?

Yes, really.


... I'm using facts...which of course is
confusing to you. He lied to them.

No, you're the one lying. You are contradicting yourself.

No I'm not.

If Kerry voted
one way on the earlier bill

What earlier bill? There is no "Helms-Burton Bill--Version I". There is
only the "Helms-Burton legislation"...aka the Libertad Act...aka the "Cuban
Liberty and Democratic Solidarity".


, and the other way at a later time, then
to say that he voted either way is not a lie. However, to say that he
lied about his vote is not the truth... and guess what that means.

And yet you jump up and say that I must be confused... hey, I'm not the
one contradicting myself, nor passing value judgments based on
condemning others for something my own team does regularly.





Can we have just a teensy bit of logic & consistency, please?


Like you would understand logic...or consistency...

Try it, let's see.

So far all you've done is chase your tail and toss some insults. Is that
all your side has to offer?

Kerry lied about voting for the Helms-Burton legislation.