On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:43:17 +0000, NOYB wrote:

It's pure partisan politics. Clarke doesn't agree with going after the
countries that sponsor terrorists. Instead, he advocates the laughable
idea of punishing terrorists in our criminal courts.

You may think his book and interview will make a difference. I'm telling
you that 95% of Americans, if asked about him in a month, will say they
never even heard of the guy.

Maybe, but in another month there will be another messenger with the same
message. Iraq wasn't about WMD or terrorism.

thunder wrote in message ...
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:43:17 +0000, NOYB wrote:

It's pure partisan politics. Clarke doesn't agree with going after the
countries that sponsor terrorists. Instead, he advocates the laughable
idea of punishing terrorists in our criminal courts.

You may think his book and interview will make a difference. I'm telling
you that 95% of Americans, if asked about him in a month, will say they
never even heard of the guy.

Maybe, but in another month there will be another messenger with the same
message. Iraq wasn't about WMD or terrorism.


Fact: Clark testified in congress just about the opposite of what he
says now.
Fact: Saddam was paying homicide pig dogs in Isreal and Palistine.
Fact: We went to Afganistan, Horn of Africa, the Phillipines, and a
couple of other spots chasing AlQueda long before we went to Iraq.
Fact: The majority of those saying there are no wmd in Iraq, are also
fundamentally opposed to the war and the Bush administration.
Fact: The UN, especially France, Germany, and Russia were making
billions (with a B) as well as the possibility (at least as beleivable
as these new timely attacks on Bush) of Annon and his own family
members being involved in "possibly the biggest scam in world
history"...There was no way they were ever going to approve a move
into Iraq. This is coming from the USGAO, not some political shill,
biding for a job in a new administration and trying to sell a book.

Why are these facts so hard to see, could you be blinded by political
agenda? You will dismiss these facts, congressional testimony, and the
reports of the GAO, but beleive Clark, Moore, Kennedy, and the rest of
the fat entertainers as they push admitted political agendas? Wow,
talk about simple...

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:28:22 -0800, Backyard Renegade wrote:


Why are these facts so hard to see, could you be blinded by political
agenda? You will dismiss these facts, congressional testimony, and the
reports of the GAO, but beleive Clark, Moore, Kennedy, and the rest of the
fat entertainers as they push admitted political agendas? Wow, talk about
simple...

Fact: It's been over a year and still *no* WMD have been found.
Fact: There has been *no* link between Saddam and al Qaeda.
Fact: President Bush set up and "independent commission" to investigate
our faulty Iraq intelligence, i.e. *no* WMD.
Fact: The number of people who believe this war was about WMD or
terrorism, is rapidly dwindling, including many people *inside* this
administration.

thunder wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:28:22 -0800, Backyard Renegade wrote:



Why are these facts so hard to see, could you be blinded by political
agenda? You will dismiss these facts, congressional testimony, and the
reports of the GAO, but beleive Clark, Moore, Kennedy, and the rest of the
fat entertainers as they push admitted political agendas? Wow, talk about
simple...


Fact: It's been over a year and still *no* WMD have been found.
Fact: There has been *no* link between Saddam and al Qaeda.
Fact: President Bush set up and "independent commission" to investigate
our faulty Iraq intelligence, i.e. *no* WMD.
Fact: The number of people who believe this war was about WMD or
terrorism, is rapidly dwindling, including many people *inside* this
administration.

Couple more
*Clarke has worked in anti-terrorism for every president since Reagan.
*Bush has stonewalled the 9/11 commission ever since setting it up --
recently he has agreed to give them 1 hour. Rice refuses to testify
*White House cut by nearly two-thirds an emergency request for FBI
counterterrorism funds in the weeks after the 9/11 terror attacks.
* NYC fire Dept. is down about 1000 men because of lack of funds

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:52:50 -0500, Jim wrote:



thunder wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:28:22 -0800, Backyard Renegade wrote:



Why are these facts so hard to see, could you be blinded by political
agenda? You will dismiss these facts, congressional testimony, and the
reports of the GAO, but beleive Clark, Moore, Kennedy, and the rest of the
fat entertainers as they push admitted political agendas? Wow, talk about
simple...


Fact: It's been over a year and still *no* WMD have been found.
Fact: There has been *no* link between Saddam and al Qaeda.
Fact: President Bush set up and "independent commission" to investigate
our faulty Iraq intelligence, i.e. *no* WMD.
Fact: The number of people who believe this war was about WMD or
terrorism, is rapidly dwindling, including many people *inside* this
administration.

Couple more
*Clarke has worked in anti-terrorism for every president since Reagan.
*Bush has stonewalled the 9/11 commission ever since setting it up --
recently he has agreed to give them 1 hour. Rice refuses to testify
*White House cut by nearly two-thirds an emergency request for FBI
counterterrorism funds in the weeks after the 9/11 terror attacks.
* NYC fire Dept. is down about 1000 men because of lack of funds


Another one:

Like Harry, Clarke's integrity is above reproach, even though he's
been very mum on any of this stuff for the past few years.
John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Jim" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:28:22 -0800, Backyard Renegade wrote:



Why are these facts so hard to see, could you be blinded by political
agenda? You will dismiss these facts, congressional testimony, and the
reports of the GAO, but beleive Clark, Moore, Kennedy, and the rest of
the
fat entertainers as they push admitted political agendas? Wow, talk
about
simple...


Fact: It's been over a year and still *no* WMD have been found.
Fact: There has been *no* link between Saddam and al Qaeda.
Fact: President Bush set up and "independent commission" to investigate
our faulty Iraq intelligence, i.e. *no* WMD.
Fact: The number of people who believe this war was about WMD or
terrorism, is rapidly dwindling, including many people *inside* this
administration.

Couple more
*Clarke has worked in anti-terrorism for every president since Reagan.
*Bush has stonewalled the 9/11 commission ever since setting it up --
recently he has agreed to give them 1 hour. Rice refuses to
testify
*White House cut by nearly two-thirds an emergency request for FBI
counterterrorism funds in the weeks after the 9/11 terror attacks.
* NYC fire Dept. is down about 1000 men because of lack of funds


Now Jim you know this is a pack of lies. You must have been listen to Harry.
Maybe he has come out of the closet also..

Oh yea Jim is your Bayliner running Ok also...

Bill wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:28:22 -0800, Backyard Renegade wrote:




Why are these facts so hard to see, could you be blinded by political
agenda? You will dismiss these facts, congressional testimony, and the
reports of the GAO, but beleive Clark, Moore, Kennedy, and the rest of

the

fat entertainers as they push admitted political agendas? Wow, talk

about

simple...


Fact: It's been over a year and still *no* WMD have been found.
Fact: There has been *no* link between Saddam and al Qaeda.
Fact: President Bush set up and "independent commission" to investigate
our faulty Iraq intelligence, i.e. *no* WMD.
Fact: The number of people who believe this war was about WMD or
terrorism, is rapidly dwindling, including many people *inside* this
administration.


Couple more
*Clarke has worked in anti-terrorism for every president since Reagan.
*Bush has stonewalled the 9/11 commission ever since setting it up --
recently he has agreed to give them 1 hour. Rice refuses to

testify

*White House cut by nearly two-thirds an emergency request for FBI
counterterrorism funds in the weeks after the 9/11 terror attacks.
* NYC fire Dept. is down about 1000 men because of lack of funds



Now Jim you know this is a pack of lies. You must have been listen to Harry.
Maybe he has come out of the closet also..

Oh yea Jim is your Bayliner running Ok also...

Care to specifically refute the "lies?".
I sail an Irwin and am (slowly) restoring a Dorsett.

"Bill" wrote in message ...
"Jim" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:28:22 -0800, Backyard Renegade wrote:



Why are these facts so hard to see, could you be blinded by political
agenda? You will dismiss these facts, congressional testimony, and the
reports of the GAO, but beleive Clark, Moore, Kennedy, and the rest of
the
fat entertainers as they push admitted political agendas? Wow, talk
about
simple...


Fact: It's been over a year and still *no* WMD have been found.
Fact: There has been *no* link between Saddam and al Qaeda.
Fact: President Bush set up and "independent commission" to investigate
our faulty Iraq intelligence, i.e. *no* WMD.
Fact: The number of people who believe this war was about WMD or
terrorism, is rapidly dwindling, including many people *inside* this
administration.

Couple more
*Clarke has worked in anti-terrorism for every president since Reagan.
*Bush has stonewalled the 9/11 commission ever since setting it up --
recently he has agreed to give them 1 hour. Rice refuses to
testify
*White House cut by nearly two-thirds an emergency request for FBI
counterterrorism funds in the weeks after the 9/11 terror attacks.
* NYC fire Dept. is down about 1000 men because of lack of funds


Now Jim you know this is a pack of lies. You must have been listen to Harry.
Maybe he has come out of the closet also..

Please provide any proof that the above are lies.

"thunder" wrote in message
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Fact: The number of people who believe this war was about WMD or
terrorism, is rapidly dwindling, including many people *inside* this
administration.


That's a half-fact. WMD's was just an issue, as Wolfowitz put it, "that
everyone could agree upon". Everybody on both sides of the aisle in
Congress, who had access to the same pre-war intelligence as Bush, reached
the same conclusion about the existence of the WMD's. Personally, I'm
convinced that the bulk of them went to Syria or were destroyed in the 6-12
months leading up to the war.

However, any suggestion that those who believe in an Iraq/al Qaeda
connection are now losing faith in the substantivity of that relationship is
false. In fact, I think that the terrorist attacks in Iraq over the last
year demonstrate that the terrorists had a much stronger pre-war foothold in
the country than anyone could ever have imagined.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:27:52 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"thunder" wrote in message
news
Fact: The number of people who believe this war was about WMD or
terrorism, is rapidly dwindling, including many people *inside* this
administration.


That's a half-fact. WMD's was just an issue, as Wolfowitz put it, "that
everyone could agree upon". Everybody on both sides of the aisle in
Congress, who had access to the same pre-war intelligence as Bush, reached
the same conclusion about the existence of the WMD's. Personally, I'm
convinced that the bulk of them went to Syria or were destroyed in the 6-12
months leading up to the war.

However, any suggestion that those who believe in an Iraq/al Qaeda
connection are now losing faith in the substantivity of that relationship is
false. In fact, I think that the terrorist attacks in Iraq over the last
year demonstrate that the terrorists had a much stronger pre-war foothold in
the country than anyone could ever have imagined.


I agree, which means that NYOB's position is no longer unilateral.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!