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John Gaquin May 3rd 05 01:41 AM


wrote in message

.....The most extreme behavior by self described Republicans or
Democrats does not define or even characterize the majority of the
group.

You have to laugh at a refusal to name a road after Willie Nelson


Bear in mind, these two are a couple of small-time, small-minded state
senators whose meteoric political careers likely hit their zenith some time
ago. Shame -- Willie ought to have his own highway.



Jim, May 3rd 05 03:26 PM

( OT ) Unfait politics
 
I never thought the republicans would stoop so low as to attack Willie
Nelson. When you attack Willie, you attack everything good about America!


Texas Repubs curb Willie Nelson honor

- - - - - - - - - - - -



May 1, 2005 | AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Willie Nelson's name is off the
road again.

A state legislator had proposed naming a 49-mile stretch of Texas
Highway 130 being built around Austin in honor of the Texas country
music singer.

But two Republican senators, Steve Odgen of Bryan and Jeff Wentworth of
San Antonio, said they didn't want Nelson's name on the road that
crosses their districts, citing the musician's fondness for drinking and
smoking, and active campaigning for Democratic candidates.

"It's frustrating, and sad in a way, but at this point, there is no
reason to make this an unpleasant experience for anyone, especially
Willie, so I'll take no further action on the bill,'' said state Sen.
Gonzalo Barrientos, an Austin Democrat and the bill's author.

Barrientos said he wanted to honor Nelson "for so much good music and so
many good works.''

[email protected] May 3rd 05 03:56 PM

Many modern-day Republicans are soulless, honorless, herd animals

**********

But not all. It is possible to be an independent, critical thinker
willing to look beyond rhetoric and stereotype and still be a
Republican. The most extreme behavior by self described Republicans or
Democrats does not define or even characterize the majority of the
group.

You have to laugh at a refusal to name a road after Willie Nelson
because campaigning for Democrats has made him, somehow, "unfit". It's
almost as funny as it is sad. I guess everybody has already fogotten
"Farm Aid" where Willie devoted a lot of time, energy, and talent to
bring attention to the economic plight of the small family farms in
Texas and elsewhere.......(or maybe that's one of the things that has
some corporate level right wingers upset with him....)


JimH May 3rd 05 04:44 PM


wrote in message
oups.com...
Many modern-day Republicans are soulless, honorless, herd animals

**********

But not all. It is possible to be an independent, critical thinker
willing to look beyond rhetoric and stereotype and still be a
Republican. The most extreme behavior by self described Republicans or
Democrats does not define or even characterize the majority of the
group.

You have to laugh at a refusal to name a road after Willie Nelson
because campaigning for Democrats has made him, somehow, "unfit". It's
almost as funny as it is sad. I guess everybody has already fogotten
"Farm Aid" where Willie devoted a lot of time, energy, and talent to
bring attention to the economic plight of the small family farms in
Texas and elsewhere.......(or maybe that's one of the things that has
some corporate level right wingers upset with him....)


Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and drug
addict.



Shortwave Sportfishing May 3rd 05 05:07 PM

On 3 May 2005 07:56:07 -0700, wrote:

Many modern-day Republicans are soulless, honorless, herd animals

**********

But not all. It is possible to be an independent, critical thinker
willing to look beyond rhetoric and stereotype and still be a
Republican. The most extreme behavior by self described Republicans or
Democrats does not define or even characterize the majority of the
group.

You have to laugh at a refusal to name a road after Willie Nelson
because campaigning for Democrats has made him, somehow, "unfit". It's
almost as funny as it is sad. I guess everybody has already fogotten
"Farm Aid" where Willie devoted a lot of time, energy, and talent to
bring attention to the economic plight of the small family farms in
Texas and elsewhere.......(or maybe that's one of the things that has
some corporate level right wingers upset with him....)


Hey - it's no worse than naming the new section of Route 6 for one of
our deceased state troopers who was shot dead while on duty - which
was objected to by the two district representatives whose district it
ran through - both Democrats, for the reason that he was just doing
his job.

It would appear to me that we would all be better off trying to find
answers rather than finding objections.

Later,

Tom

[email protected] May 3rd 05 05:09 PM


JimH wrote:

Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and

drug
addict.


He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.
Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict". Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of pot as
an addiction, are you?


JimH May 3rd 05 05:14 PM


wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:

Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and

drug
addict.


He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.


No it isn't. He cheated and got caught. He is a tax cheat.


Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict". Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of pot as
an addiction, are you?


The guy is constantly stoned on weed. I would call that an addiction. Pot
is a drug...ergo drug addict.

Comprendo?



[email protected] May 3rd 05 05:19 PM

Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and drug

addict.

***************

Just as the most extreme behavior by members of any group doesn't
characterize the group in general, it's unfair to characterize an
entire person by his or her worst weaknesses or mistakes. If there are
not going to be any roads named after persons with current or previous
drug problems, we can safely assume there will be no Rush Limbaugh
Tunnel or George Bush Business By-Pass. Rush Limbaugh will be "old
news" 20 minutes after he's dead, of course, but GWB has earned a place
in history. It would be nice to see his name carved on something,
somewere.......and of course opinions will differ regarding exactly
what that something, somewhere, should be. :-)


NOYB May 3rd 05 06:36 PM


wrote in message
ups.com...
Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and drug

addict.

***************

Just as the most extreme behavior by members of any group doesn't
characterize the group in general, it's unfair to characterize an
entire person by his or her worst weaknesses or mistakes. If there are
not going to be any roads named after persons with current or previous
drug problems, we can safely assume there will be no Rush Limbaugh
Tunnel or George Bush Business By-Pass. Rush Limbaugh will be "old
news" 20 minutes after he's dead, of course, but GWB has earned a place
in history. It would be nice to see his name carved on something,
somewere.......and of course opinions will differ regarding exactly
what that something, somewhere, should be. :-)


Mount Rushmore



John H May 3rd 05 08:01 PM

On Tue, 03 May 2005 14:26:10 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

I never thought the republicans would stoop so low as to attack Willie
Nelson. When you attack Willie, you attack everything good about America!


Texas Repubs curb Willie Nelson honor

- - - - - - - - - - - -



May 1, 2005 | AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Willie Nelson's name is off the
road again.

A state legislator had proposed naming a 49-mile stretch of Texas
Highway 130 being built around Austin in honor of the Texas country
music singer.

But two Republican senators, Steve Odgen of Bryan and Jeff Wentworth of
San Antonio, said they didn't want Nelson's name on the road that
crosses their districts, citing the musician's fondness for drinking and
smoking, and active campaigning for Democratic candidates.

"It's frustrating, and sad in a way, but at this point, there is no
reason to make this an unpleasant experience for anyone, especially
Willie, so I'll take no further action on the bill,'' said state Sen.
Gonzalo Barrientos, an Austin Democrat and the bill's author.

Barrientos said he wanted to honor Nelson "for so much good music and so
many good works.''


By not naming a road after someone, they are attacking him?

How many roads have been named after Laura Bush? Why is she continuously under
attack?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H May 3rd 05 08:01 PM

On 3 May 2005 09:19:04 -0700, wrote:

Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and drug

addict.

***************

Just as the most extreme behavior by members of any group doesn't
characterize the group in general, it's unfair to characterize an
entire person by his or her worst weaknesses or mistakes. If there are
not going to be any roads named after persons with current or previous
drug problems, we can safely assume there will be no Rush Limbaugh
Tunnel or George Bush Business By-Pass. Rush Limbaugh will be "old
news" 20 minutes after he's dead, of course, but GWB has earned a place
in history. It would be nice to see his name carved on something,
somewere.......and of course opinions will differ regarding exactly
what that something, somewhere, should be. :-)


Let's all name our driveways after Willie. That ought to make him feel good.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

[email protected] May 3rd 05 09:32 PM

Mount Rushmore

*********
Oh dear. You must not have heard.......

There's been oil discovered under Mt. Rushmore. Sources say it's enough
to supply the
domestic needs of the entire United States for 4-6 months.

It's coming down, of course. Some company that Dick Cheney used to to
head has been awarded a non-bid, no-limit, off-budget contract to
demolish Rushmore. Rumor has it that they will employ a couple of
thousand non-union "guest workers" with hispanic surnames to do the job
with picks and shovel, and bill out the time at $250.00 an hour.
Additional rumors that the
INS will haul away the entire workforce each week, exactly half an hour
before payday, are probably unfounded.

Next on the agenda will be Yellowstone Park. Some good ol' Texas oil
boys have an exclusive contract to tap all that geothermal energy
currently "going to waste". They will be given access the the
taxpayer's park free of charge, of course, and then allowed to charge
us all through the nostrils for the energy they "recover" from our
publicly owned natural resources.

Maybe then we can rename Old Faithful the George W. Bush Fountain of
Truth. It would seem appropriate: blows a lot of hot air on a regular
basis, but once the sound and fury has subsided very little else in the
immediate vicinity has actually changed.

And even if the reports of oil under Mt Rushmore should prove to be
false, there's one more reason that GWB could never join the other
presidents depicted there.......there isn't enough room remaining on
the mountain for the sculptor to put GWB's image an appropriate
distance (half a mile?) to the right.


John H May 3rd 05 10:22 PM

On 3 May 2005 13:32:45 -0700, wrote:

Mount Rushmore

*********
Oh dear. You must not have heard.......

There's been oil discovered under Mt. Rushmore. Sources say it's enough
to supply the
domestic needs of the entire United States for 4-6 months.

It's coming down, of course. Some company that Dick Cheney used to to
head has been awarded a non-bid, no-limit, off-budget contract to
demolish Rushmore. Rumor has it that they will employ a couple of
thousand non-union "guest workers" with hispanic surnames to do the job
with picks and shovel, and bill out the time at $250.00 an hour.
Additional rumors that the
INS will haul away the entire workforce each week, exactly half an hour
before payday, are probably unfounded.

Next on the agenda will be Yellowstone Park. Some good ol' Texas oil
boys have an exclusive contract to tap all that geothermal energy
currently "going to waste". They will be given access the the
taxpayer's park free of charge, of course, and then allowed to charge
us all through the nostrils for the energy they "recover" from our
publicly owned natural resources.

Maybe then we can rename Old Faithful the George W. Bush Fountain of
Truth. It would seem appropriate: blows a lot of hot air on a regular
basis, but once the sound and fury has subsided very little else in the
immediate vicinity has actually changed.

And even if the reports of oil under Mt Rushmore should prove to be
false, there's one more reason that GWB could never join the other
presidents depicted there.......there isn't enough room remaining on
the mountain for the sculptor to put GWB's image an appropriate
distance (half a mile?) to the right.


That's great, but I spent half a day getting lures ready for fishing tomorrow
and sanding off the gelcoat repair on my boat scratches.

Also, and more importantly, I saw an Eastern Towhee (male) at my bird feeders
today. First time!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

thunder May 4th 05 12:36 AM

On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:47:45 -0400, Harry.Krause wrote:


The recent polls regarding the tanking of the Bush Administration in so
many areas are very interesting. It is possible the American people have
awakened and now realize they simply cannot trust Bush on important
issues.


Besides 9/11 and the start of the Iraq War, Bush's polls have only gone in
one direction. This site hasn't been updated in close to a year, but you
get the idea.

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/227/9...ert_graph2.jpg

John H May 4th 05 12:58 AM

On Tue, 03 May 2005 19:36:56 -0400, thunder wrote:

On Tue, 03 May 2005 16:47:45 -0400, Harry.Krause wrote:


The recent polls regarding the tanking of the Bush Administration in so
many areas are very interesting. It is possible the American people have
awakened and now realize they simply cannot trust Bush on important
issues.


Besides 9/11 and the start of the Iraq War, Bush's polls have only gone in
one direction. This site hasn't been updated in close to a year, but you
get the idea.

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/227/9...ert_graph2.jpg


I'm hoping to break the boat record of 38 3/4 ". Thursday is going to be the day
to catch a 40" plus striper.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Bert Robbins May 4th 05 02:01 AM


"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

wrote in message

.....The most extreme behavior by self described Republicans or
Democrats does not define or even characterize the majority of the
group.

You have to laugh at a refusal to name a road after Willie Nelson


Bear in mind, these two are a couple of small-time, small-minded state
senators whose meteoric political careers likely hit their zenith some
time ago. Shame -- Willie ought to have his own highway.


But, these two state senators are elected representatives of their
districts. There opinions and positions are more valued than yours.



Tuuk May 4th 05 11:00 AM

well krause

you worked for unions your whole life, you carry two union cards. Now on
social assistance. You lost your own family business immediately after
successions, and you have the nuts to say,,,,

"""'Many modern-day Republicans are soulless, honorless, herd animals. Just
read some of their posts here. They care only about themselves, they're
foul-mouthed in the extreme, they behave like jackals, and they don't
dare step over the line drawn by their leaders."'''''


lol,, krause

are you on drugs krause??








"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
Jim, wrote:
I never thought the republicans would stoop so low as to attack Willie
Nelson. When you attack Willie, you attack everything good about
America!


Texas Repubs curb Willie Nelson honor

- - - - - - - - - - - -



May 1, 2005 | AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Willie Nelson's name is off the
road again.

A state legislator had proposed naming a 49-mile stretch of Texas Highway
130 being built around Austin in honor of the Texas country music singer.

But two Republican senators, Steve Odgen of Bryan and Jeff Wentworth of
San Antonio, said they didn't want Nelson's name on the road that crosses
their districts, citing the musician's fondness for drinking and smoking,
and active campaigning for Democratic candidates.

"It's frustrating, and sad in a way, but at this point, there is no
reason to make this an unpleasant experience for anyone, especially
Willie, so I'll take no further action on the bill,'' said state Sen.
Gonzalo Barrientos, an Austin Democrat and the bill's author.

Barrientos said he wanted to honor Nelson "for so much good music and so
many good works.''



Many modern-day Republicans are soulless, honorless, herd animals. Just
read some of their posts here. They care only about themselves, they're
foul-mouthed in the extreme, they behave like jackals, and they don't dare
step over the line drawn by their leaders.




Tuuk May 4th 05 11:03 AM


"""""George W. Bush cheated the taxpayers with some of his business
deals in Texas and, of course, he's a drug addict, too.""'"'""


krause

lol,,,,

you are a real intelligent fella krause,,,

Is this another of your lies or do you have evidence of this? I mean that
Bush cheated the taxpayer and is a drug addict,, lol,, krause ,,, you are a
senile old fool. Just because Bush was voted in by the people, to stop
welfare slobs like you on social assistance, that is no reason to call him
names,,, lol,,,, why don't you get your pride back, go get a job, or get off
the unions krause,,, lol,,,ooo ,,,ooo that is funny,,,

It is a good thing you are not in your home country of Germany krause,,,
lol,,, oooo ,,





"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
JimH wrote:


Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and


drug

addict.



He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.
Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict". Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of pot as
an addiction, are you?



Hmmm. George W. Bush cheated the taxpayers with some of his business deals
in Texas and, of course, he's a drug addict, too. But Hertvik still kisses
Bush's butt.




SoFarrell May 4th 05 12:28 PM


" Tuuk" wrote in message
...

"""""George W. Bush cheated the taxpayers with some of his business
deals in Texas and, of course, he's a drug addict, too.""'"'""


krause

lol,,,,

you are a real intelligent fella krause,,,

Is this another of your lies or do you have evidence of this? I mean that
Bush cheated the taxpayer and is a drug addict,, lol,, krause ,,, you are
a senile old fool. Just because Bush was voted in by the people, to stop
welfare slobs like you on social assistance, that is no reason to call him
names,,, lol,,,, why don't you get your pride back, go get a job, or get
off the unions krause,,, lol,,,ooo ,,,ooo that is funny,,,

It is a good thing you are not in your home country of Germany krause,,,
lol,,, oooo ,,





"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
JimH wrote:


Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and

drug

addict.


He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.
Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict". Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of pot as
an addiction, are you?



Hmmm. George W. Bush cheated the taxpayers with some of his business
deals in Texas and, of course, he's a drug addict, too. But Hertvik still
kisses Bush's butt.





So where do you boat and fish Mr Tuuk, or is coming up with one outrageaous
post after another your fulltime work?



JimH May 4th 05 12:55 PM




"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
JimH wrote:


Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and

drug

addict.


He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.
Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict". Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of pot as
an addiction, are you?



Hmmm. George W. Bush cheated the taxpayers with some of his business
deals in Texas and, of course, he's a drug addict, too. But Hertv still
kisses Bush's butt.




What does my statement about Willie Nelson have to do with GWB asshole? But
since we are on the subject of cheating please tell us how your company
Ullico cheated it's customers (unions) out of millions of dollars.

Here is the story in case you forgot it:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/au...ulli-a29.shtml

http://www.labornotes.org/archives/2003/01/c.html



[email protected] May 4th 05 12:57 PM


JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:

Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and

drug
addict.


He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.


No it isn't. He cheated and got caught. He is a tax cheat.


What evidence do you have that he "is a tax cheat"? Better call the IRS
on that one, Jim. He's a FORMER tax cheat. I'll bet YOU have broken
laws before. Are you still guilty of any and all of those, including
traffic violations?


Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict".

Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of

pot as
an addiction, are you?


The guy is constantly stoned on weed. I would call that an

addiction. Pot
is a drug...ergo drug addict.

Comprendo?


Nope, I don't. What evidence do you have that he is "constantly stoned
on weed"? Just because he is open and direct about the fact that he
does smoke the stuff, you think that he's constantly stoned????? That's
just like me saying that because you've said here that you like beer,
that you're an alcoholic!


JimH May 4th 05 01:00 PM


wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:

Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and
drug
addict.

He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.


No it isn't. He cheated and got caught. He is a tax cheat.


What evidence do you have that he "is a tax cheat"? Better call the IRS
on that one, Jim. He's a FORMER tax cheat. I'll bet YOU have broken
laws before. Are you still guilty of any and all of those, including
traffic violations?


ZOOOM - ZOOOOMMM-ZOOOOOMMMMMMM



Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict".

Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of

pot as
an addiction, are you?


The guy is constantly stoned on weed. I would call that an

addiction. Pot
is a drug...ergo drug addict.

Comprendo?


Nope, I don't.


Why am I not surprised?



Shortwave Sportfishing May 4th 05 04:09 PM

On 4 May 2005 04:57:47 -0700, wrote:


JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:

Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and
drug
addict.

He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.


No it isn't. He cheated and got caught. He is a tax cheat.


What evidence do you have that he "is a tax cheat"? Better call the IRS
on that one, Jim. He's a FORMER tax cheat. I'll bet YOU have broken
laws before. Are you still guilty of any and all of those, including
traffic violations?


Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict".

Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of

pot as
an addiction, are you?


The guy is constantly stoned on weed. I would call that an

addiction. Pot
is a drug...ergo drug addict.

Comprendo?


Nope, I don't. What evidence do you have that he is "constantly stoned
on weed"? Just because he is open and direct about the fact that he
does smoke the stuff, you think that he's constantly stoned????? That's
just like me saying that because you've said here that you like beer,
that you're an alcoholic!


It's my opinion that anybody who drinks alcohol has no moral standing
at all when complaining about the state of intoxication in others.

That's my point and I'm sticking to it. :)

Later,

Tom


JimH May 4th 05 04:22 PM


wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:

Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and
drug
addict.

He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.


No it isn't. He cheated and got caught. He is a tax cheat.


What evidence do you have that he "is a tax cheat"? Better call the IRS
on that one, Jim. He's a FORMER tax cheat. I'll bet YOU have broken
laws before. Are you still guilty of any and all of those, including
traffic violations?


Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict".

Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of

pot as
an addiction, are you?


The guy is constantly stoned on weed. I would call that an

addiction. Pot
is a drug...ergo drug addict.

Comprendo?


Nope, I don't. What evidence do you have that he is "constantly stoned
on weed"? Just because he is open and direct about the fact that he
does smoke the stuff, you think that he's constantly stoned????? That's
just like me saying that because you've said here that you like beer,
that you're an alcoholic!



Your logic is severely flawed. Yes I drink beer and wine once in a
while.....but I am not drunk or intoxicated every living hour of the
day....in fact I rarely am. Do you know the definition of an alcoholic
Kevin?

Celebrities hanging out with Willie have stated that he is stoned every
minute they are with him.

But I am not the one casting any judgment on the man. All I did was make an
observation...that Willie Nelson is a drug addict and a tax cheat.

Comprendo?



Shortwave Sportfishing May 4th 05 05:12 PM

On Wed, 4 May 2005 11:22:28 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


wrote in message
roups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:

Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and
drug
addict.

He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.

No it isn't. He cheated and got caught. He is a tax cheat.


What evidence do you have that he "is a tax cheat"? Better call the IRS
on that one, Jim. He's a FORMER tax cheat. I'll bet YOU have broken
laws before. Are you still guilty of any and all of those, including
traffic violations?


Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict".

Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of

pot as
an addiction, are you?


The guy is constantly stoned on weed. I would call that an

addiction. Pot
is a drug...ergo drug addict.

Comprendo?


Nope, I don't. What evidence do you have that he is "constantly stoned
on weed"? Just because he is open and direct about the fact that he
does smoke the stuff, you think that he's constantly stoned????? That's
just like me saying that because you've said here that you like beer,
that you're an alcoholic!



Your logic is severely flawed. Yes I drink beer and wine once in a
while.....but I am not drunk or intoxicated every living hour of the
day....in fact I rarely am.


Doesn't matter. The fact that you use/partake/imbibe a mood altering
substance at any time disqualifies you from making any moral judgement
of another.

JimH May 4th 05 05:15 PM


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 May 2005 11:22:28 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


wrote in message
groups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:

Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and
drug
addict.

He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.

No it isn't. He cheated and got caught. He is a tax cheat.

What evidence do you have that he "is a tax cheat"? Better call the IRS
on that one, Jim. He's a FORMER tax cheat. I'll bet YOU have broken
laws before. Are you still guilty of any and all of those, including
traffic violations?


Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict".
Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of
pot as
an addiction, are you?


The guy is constantly stoned on weed. I would call that an
addiction. Pot
is a drug...ergo drug addict.

Comprendo?

Nope, I don't. What evidence do you have that he is "constantly stoned
on weed"? Just because he is open and direct about the fact that he
does smoke the stuff, you think that he's constantly stoned????? That's
just like me saying that because you've said here that you like beer,
that you're an alcoholic!



Your logic is severely flawed. Yes I drink beer and wine once in a
while.....but I am not drunk or intoxicated every living hour of the
day....in fact I rarely am.


Doesn't matter. The fact that you use/partake/imbibe a mood altering
substance at any time disqualifies you from making any moral judgement
of another.


Remind me again when I made a moral judgement of the man.



Shortwave Sportfishing May 4th 05 10:25 PM

On Wed, 4 May 2005 12:15:24 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 4 May 2005 11:22:28 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


wrote in message
egroups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:

Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and
drug
addict.

He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.

No it isn't. He cheated and got caught. He is a tax cheat.

What evidence do you have that he "is a tax cheat"? Better call the IRS
on that one, Jim. He's a FORMER tax cheat. I'll bet YOU have broken
laws before. Are you still guilty of any and all of those, including
traffic violations?


Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict".
Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of
pot as
an addiction, are you?


The guy is constantly stoned on weed. I would call that an
addiction. Pot
is a drug...ergo drug addict.

Comprendo?

Nope, I don't. What evidence do you have that he is "constantly stoned
on weed"? Just because he is open and direct about the fact that he
does smoke the stuff, you think that he's constantly stoned????? That's
just like me saying that because you've said here that you like beer,
that you're an alcoholic!



Your logic is severely flawed. Yes I drink beer and wine once in a
while.....but I am not drunk or intoxicated every living hour of the
day....in fact I rarely am.


Doesn't matter. The fact that you use/partake/imbibe a mood altering
substance at any time disqualifies you from making any moral judgement
of another.


Remind me again when I made a moral judgement of the man.


"Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and
drug addict."

I would say right off the top of my head that that is pretty much a
moral judgement. :)

JimH May 4th 05 10:39 PM


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 May 2005 12:15:24 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 4 May 2005 11:22:28 -0400, "JimH" wrote:


wrote in message
legroups.com...

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

JimH wrote:

Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and
drug
addict.

He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.

No it isn't. He cheated and got caught. He is a tax cheat.

What evidence do you have that he "is a tax cheat"? Better call the
IRS
on that one, Jim. He's a FORMER tax cheat. I'll bet YOU have broken
laws before. Are you still guilty of any and all of those, including
traffic violations?


Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict".
Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of
pot as
an addiction, are you?


The guy is constantly stoned on weed. I would call that an
addiction. Pot
is a drug...ergo drug addict.

Comprendo?

Nope, I don't. What evidence do you have that he is "constantly stoned
on weed"? Just because he is open and direct about the fact that he
does smoke the stuff, you think that he's constantly stoned?????
That's
just like me saying that because you've said here that you like beer,
that you're an alcoholic!



Your logic is severely flawed. Yes I drink beer and wine once in a
while.....but I am not drunk or intoxicated every living hour of the
day....in fact I rarely am.

Doesn't matter. The fact that you use/partake/imbibe a mood altering
substance at any time disqualifies you from making any moral judgement
of another.


Remind me again when I made a moral judgement of the man.


"Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and
drug addict."

I would say right off the top of my head that that is pretty much a
moral judgement. :)


Nope, it was a statement of fact. He is a tax cheat. He is a drug addict.
I made no judgement on the man or his behavior.

You are barking up the wrong tree. ;-)



Shortwave Sportfishing May 5th 05 12:20 AM

On Wed, 4 May 2005 17:39:02 -0400, "JimH" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Nope, it was a statement of fact. He is a tax cheat.


Nope. He did owe taxes, but in fact, it was a long battle with the
IRS which was settled out of court. He never cheated on his taxes -
he had a disagreement on what was owed.

He is a drug addict.


No, he is not. He is the same as you. You partake, he partakes.
Both just use different substances.

I made no judgement on the man or his behavior.


Yes you did.

You are barking up the wrong tree. ;-)


No I'm not.

Later,

Tom

Bert Robbins May 5th 05 12:23 AM


"JimH" wrote in message
...



"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
JimH wrote:


Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and

drug

addict.


He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.
Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict".
Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of pot
as
an addiction, are you?



Hmmm. George W. Bush cheated the taxpayers with some of his business
deals in Texas and, of course, he's a drug addict, too. But Hertv still
kisses Bush's butt.



What does my statement about Willie Nelson have to do with GWB asshole?
But since we are on the subject of cheating please tell us how your
company Ullico cheated it's customers (unions) out of millions of dollars.

Here is the story in case you forgot it:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/au...ulli-a29.shtml

http://www.labornotes.org/archives/2003/01/c.html


I'll bet Ullico's legal counsel has instructed Harry not to talk about this
"issue" unless they approve of what he is saying.

Ullico management saw that they could get rich off the backs of the little
man, they were supposed to protect, and they did it and got caught.

Harry wount' chime in on this issue.



JimH May 5th 05 12:24 AM


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 4 May 2005 17:39:02 -0400, "JimH" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Nope, it was a statement of fact. He is a tax cheat.


Nope. He did owe taxes, but in fact, it was a long battle with the
IRS which was settled out of court. He never cheated on his taxes -
he had a disagreement on what was owed.

He is a drug addict.


No, he is not. He is the same as you. You partake, he partakes.
Both just use different substances.

I made no judgement on the man or his behavior.


Yes you did.

You are barking up the wrong tree. ;-)


No I'm not.

Later,

Tom



Did you ever admit when you were wrong Tom? If not, this is a good time to
start. ;-)

Jim



John H May 5th 05 01:08 AM

On Wed, 4 May 2005 19:23:46 -0400, "Bert Robbins" wrote:


"JimH" wrote in message
...



"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
JimH wrote:


Perhaps it had more to do with the fact that he is a tax cheat and

drug

addict.


He's paid for his tax problems. So that is a non-issue.
Please show what evidence you have the Willy is a "drug addict".
Surely
you aren't confusing his free and open stance on legalization of pot
as
an addiction, are you?



Hmmm. George W. Bush cheated the taxpayers with some of his business
deals in Texas and, of course, he's a drug addict, too. But Hertv still
kisses Bush's butt.



What does my statement about Willie Nelson have to do with GWB asshole?
But since we are on the subject of cheating please tell us how your
company Ullico cheated it's customers (unions) out of millions of dollars.

Here is the story in case you forgot it:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2002/au...ulli-a29.shtml

http://www.labornotes.org/archives/2003/01/c.html


I'll bet Ullico's legal counsel has instructed Harry not to talk about this
"issue" unless they approve of what he is saying.

Ullico management saw that they could get rich off the backs of the little
man, they were supposed to protect, and they did it and got caught.

Harry wount' chime in on this issue.


No, but he'll make a big deal of two soldiers who screw up, acting as though the
entire military is corrupt. Of course, if someone calls him on it he is quick to
say how much 'respect' he has for them. Thank God for filters and that fact that
he is seldom quoted. Either he is posting much less or he is being answered very
seldom.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Bert Robbins May 5th 05 01:54 AM


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:


I'll bet Ullico's legal counsel has instructed Harry not to talk about
this "issue" unless they approve of what he is saying.

Ullico management saw that they could get rich off the backs of the
little man, they were supposed to protect, and they did it and got
caught.

Harry wount' chime in on this issue.


Yeah, I will. As usual, you are full of crap. None of your three posits
here is true.


So, you are willing to talk about Ullico management and its board of
directors screwing over the clients by enriching their pockets on the backs
of the working man?

It doesn't matter how you try to sugar coat it the facts are out and your
patron saint of the laborers was ****ing the laborers.



Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers May 5th 05 02:18 AM

Bert,
Harry has delivered the ultimate threat. Clean up your act or he will
ignore you. I am sure you are running for the hills in fear.


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:


I'll bet Ullico's legal counsel has instructed Harry not to talk about
this "issue" unless they approve of what he is saying.

Ullico management saw that they could get rich off the backs of the
little man, they were supposed to protect, and they did it and got
caught.

Harry wount' chime in on this issue.



Yeah, I will. As usual, you are full of crap. None of your three posits
here is true.



So, you are willing to talk about Ullico management and its board of
directors screwing over the clients by enriching their pockets on the
backs of the working man?

It doesn't matter how you try to sugar coat it the facts are out and your
patron saint of the laborers was ****ing the laborers.



As I stated, none of your posits is true.

You said:

I wouldn't "chime in" on this issue. I have.

You said I had been instructed by legal counsel not to talk about this
issue. I haven't.

No one got rich off the backs of anyone. The deals you reference had to do
with the buying and selling of privately held stock. As far as I know, no
one has been indicted in connection with the deals, and no working men or
women lost a penny or any insurance coverage because of them. Those who
bought and sold back their shares as individuals shouldn't have done so,
and the profits they made have been paid back to the company, so far as I
know, except in one case, which I believe is being pursued as a civil
matter. So, you were "wrong" on that, too.

End of discussion. Now, if it gives you a woody to keep bring this up, go
for it, but, as I stated, you were wrong on all your posits.

So, Bert, when are you going to stop posting as our anonymous intruder
here?

You're on the edge of the infamous bozo bin, Bert. As I stated last week,
I only keep you out of it because there is a requirement tbat I keep at
least one asshole out of it. You are the designee. But that can change.

Go play with one of your low-brain output buddies here, like Hertvik or
Fritz. They're more your style and speed.




Bert Robbins May 5th 05 02:35 AM


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:


I'll bet Ullico's legal counsel has instructed Harry not to talk about
this "issue" unless they approve of what he is saying.

Ullico management saw that they could get rich off the backs of the
little man, they were supposed to protect, and they did it and got
caught.

Harry wount' chime in on this issue.



Yeah, I will. As usual, you are full of crap. None of your three posits
here is true.



So, you are willing to talk about Ullico management and its board of
directors screwing over the clients by enriching their pockets on the
backs of the working man?

It doesn't matter how you try to sugar coat it the facts are out and your
patron saint of the laborers was ****ing the laborers.



As I stated, none of your posits is true.

You said:

I wouldn't "chime in" on this issue. I have.

You said I had been instructed by legal counsel not to talk about this
issue. I haven't.


But, you have been sat down and told what you can say, what you cannot say
and what questions to avoid altogether.

No one got rich off the backs of anyone. The deals you reference had to do
with the buying and selling of privately held stock. As far as I know, no
one has been indicted in connection with the deals, and no working men or
women lost a penny or any insurance coverage because of them. Those who
bought and sold back their shares as individuals shouldn't have done so,
and the profits they made have been paid back to the company, so far as I
know, except in one case, which I believe is being pursued as a civil
matter. So, you were "wrong" on that, too.


That's because they got caught and had to disgourge their ill gotten gains.

End of discussion. Now, if it gives you a woody to keep bring this up, go
for it, but, as I stated, you were wrong on all your posits.


No, the stain of this affair will forever haunt Ullico and taint its image.

So, Bert, when are you going to stop posting as our anonymous intruder
here?


Annoymous intruder? You refer to me by name and then say I am an anonymous
intruder.

You're on the edge of the infamous bozo bin, Bert. As I stated last week,
I only keep you out of it because there is a requirement tbat I keep at
least one asshole out of it. You are the designee. But that can change.


Go ahead and put me in your infamous bozo bin. I would be the first person
you ever put in the "bozo" bin.

Go play with one of your low-brain output buddies here, like Hertvik or
Fritz. They're more your style and speed.


Pathetic, try again!



Bert Robbins May 5th 05 02:36 AM

I am not now and never have been afraid of Harry.


"Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...
Bert,
Harry has delivered the ultimate threat. Clean up your act or he will
ignore you. I am sure you are running for the hills in fear.


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:


I'll bet Ullico's legal counsel has instructed Harry not to talk about
this "issue" unless they approve of what he is saying.

Ullico management saw that they could get rich off the backs of the
little man, they were supposed to protect, and they did it and got
caught.

Harry wount' chime in on this issue.



Yeah, I will. As usual, you are full of crap. None of your three posits
here is true.


So, you are willing to talk about Ullico management and its board of
directors screwing over the clients by enriching their pockets on the
backs of the working man?

It doesn't matter how you try to sugar coat it the facts are out and
your patron saint of the laborers was ****ing the laborers.



As I stated, none of your posits is true.

You said:

I wouldn't "chime in" on this issue. I have.

You said I had been instructed by legal counsel not to talk about this
issue. I haven't.

No one got rich off the backs of anyone. The deals you reference had to
do with the buying and selling of privately held stock. As far as I know,
no one has been indicted in connection with the deals, and no working men
or women lost a penny or any insurance coverage because of them. Those
who bought and sold back their shares as individuals shouldn't have done
so, and the profits they made have been paid back to the company, so far
as I know, except in one case, which I believe is being pursued as a
civil matter. So, you were "wrong" on that, too.

End of discussion. Now, if it gives you a woody to keep bring this up, go
for it, but, as I stated, you were wrong on all your posits.

So, Bert, when are you going to stop posting as our anonymous intruder
here?

You're on the edge of the infamous bozo bin, Bert. As I stated last week,
I only keep you out of it because there is a requirement tbat I keep at
least one asshole out of it. You are the designee. But that can change.

Go play with one of your low-brain output buddies here, like Hertvik or
Fritz. They're more your style and speed.






John H May 5th 05 02:41 AM

On Wed, 4 May 2005 21:18:31 -0400, "Dr. Dr. K.aren Smithers"
Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote:

Bert,
Harry has delivered the ultimate threat. Clean up your act or he will
ignore you. I am sure you are running for the hills in fear.


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...

Bert Robbins wrote:


I'll bet Ullico's legal counsel has instructed Harry not to talk about
this "issue" unless they approve of what he is saying.

Ullico management saw that they could get rich off the backs of the
little man, they were supposed to protect, and they did it and got
caught.

Harry wount' chime in on this issue.



Yeah, I will. As usual, you are full of crap. None of your three posits
here is true.


So, you are willing to talk about Ullico management and its board of
directors screwing over the clients by enriching their pockets on the
backs of the working man?

It doesn't matter how you try to sugar coat it the facts are out and your
patron saint of the laborers was ****ing the laborers.



As I stated, none of your posits is true.

You said:

I wouldn't "chime in" on this issue. I have.

You said I had been instructed by legal counsel not to talk about this
issue. I haven't.

No one got rich off the backs of anyone. The deals you reference had to do
with the buying and selling of privately held stock. As far as I know, no
one has been indicted in connection with the deals, and no working men or
women lost a penny or any insurance coverage because of them. Those who
bought and sold back their shares as individuals shouldn't have done so,
and the profits they made have been paid back to the company, so far as I
know, except in one case, which I believe is being pursued as a civil
matter. So, you were "wrong" on that, too.

End of discussion. Now, if it gives you a woody to keep bring this up, go
for it, but, as I stated, you were wrong on all your posits.

So, Bert, when are you going to stop posting as our anonymous intruder
here?

You're on the edge of the infamous bozo bin, Bert. As I stated last week,
I only keep you out of it because there is a requirement tbat I keep at
least one asshole out of it. You are the designee. But that can change.

Go play with one of your low-brain output buddies here, like Hertvik or
Fritz. They're more your style and speed.


If you get filtered by Harry, you'll have a lot of his posts to answer. He seems
to respond mostly to those he's filtered, from what I see.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Bert Robbins May 5th 05 02:53 AM


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"Harry.Krause" wrote in message


As I stated, none of your posits is true.

You said:

I wouldn't "chime in" on this issue. I have.

You said I had been instructed by legal counsel not to talk about this
issue. I haven't.



But, you have been sat down and told what you can say, what you cannot
say and what questions to avoid altogether.



Nope. Never.






No one got rich off the backs of anyone. The deals you reference had to
do with the buying and selling of privately held stock. As far as I know,
no one has been indicted in connection with the deals, and no working men
or women lost a penny or any insurance coverage because of them. Those
who bought and sold back their shares as individuals shouldn't have done
so, and the profits they made have been paid back to the company, so far
as I know, except in one case, which I believe is being pursued as a
civil matter. So, you were "wrong" on that, too.



That's because they got caught and had to disgourge their ill gotten
gains.



Yes, the new management team forced the issue, and the money was returned.
Too bad that doesn't happen at other US corporations, eh?




End of discussion. Now, if it gives you a woody to keep bring this up, go
for it, but, as I stated, you were wrong on all your posits.



No, the stain of this affair will forever haunt Ullico and taint its
image.


Naw. The company has recovered, and its primary investment vehicle is
doing better than ever. It is divesting itself of many of its insurance
offerings, though, but that is unrelated.

By the way, I stopped consulting at Ullico a year ago. I have no business
relationship whatsoever with that company. The investment company I
consult for now is much larger. Maintaining a relationship with both would
have been a conflict of interest.


You got thrown out with the dirty water. I guess you were stained.



-rick- May 5th 05 07:18 AM

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

Doesn't matter. The fact that you use/partake/imbibe a mood altering
substance at any time disqualifies you from making any moral judgement
of another.


Food is a mood altering substance.

Shortwave Sportfishing May 5th 05 11:13 AM

On Wed, 04 May 2005 23:18:25 -0700, -rick- wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

Doesn't matter. The fact that you use/partake/imbibe a mood altering
substance at any time disqualifies you from making any moral judgement
of another.


Food is a mood altering substance.


Yes it is. However, the difference is that you need food to survive
and function.

Later,

Tom


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