On Wed, 04 May 2005 11:19:43 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


So, think about this: You're anchored somewhere quiet on your boat, just you
and the girlfriend, or maybe even your wife. You're about to administer a
beef injection down in the cabin when a boat pulls up and announces on its
loudspeaker "Come out of the cabin with your ID cards. You have 30 seconds."
You can't get dressed quick enough, so you are boarded, and both of you are
dragged, half naked, out of the cabin. The cabin is tossed by the
"authorities" you say you believe in. Meanwhile, your ID card is in your
pocket, but they toss the entire cabin anyway.

They search your girlfriend's purse and find she's carrying a handgun. They
see her permit. In Florida, you are not required to notify an officer that
you're carrying, but these guys are Feds, so because they think their ****
don't stink, they believe the law applies only to state or local cops. They
tell your girlfriend that because she forgot to inform them of the gun,
they're confiscating it, and her too. "The president's gonna be down this
way for a fund raiser next week. What did you have in mind with the gun,
lady?"

This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think there
aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a uniform, and
do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national
security", think again. You've already seen it done.


What tripe!
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
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NOYB,
Exactly, we need to abolish Drivers License and passports.

Since Bush instituted them the country has gone down the tubes. Drivers
Licenses and passports reek of Nazi suppression.

That's why they call you Dr. Dr.



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Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the
President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on
terror.

You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these?

And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually
do.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html


Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security

By Michelle Garcia
Special to The Washington Post
Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08

NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as
they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the
Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were
targets of ethnic and religious profiling.

The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials detained
dozens of others from their conference in December, subjecting them
to interrogations, fingerprinting and photographing.

I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with actions
of the Dept. of Homeland Security.

Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit
terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time
they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to
"conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism.


Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly
qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal?

But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when
practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways.


No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint
and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings.



All good little fascists and communists want national photo IDs.


Only us fascists with nothing to hide. What's the difference, really?
We already have passports and state-issued drivers licenses.



Never read much WW II/Soviet State history, eh?

I meant...
What's the difference between a national photo idea and a passport or
state-issued drivers license? Or even a social security card?

"Gorf" wrote in message
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Reminder -
There have only been two terrorist attacks on US soil, 1993 and 2001.
That
is EIGHT years apart, if the terrorist maintain that schedule we are not
due
for another attack until 2009.

1995 Oklahoma City Bombing
http://www.jaynadavis.com/story.html

1996 TWA 800
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=25008

"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
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Gorf wrote:
Reminder -
There have only been two terrorist attacks on US soil, 1993 and 2001.
That
is EIGHT years apart, if the terrorist maintain that schedule we are not
due
for another attack until 2009.



You mean, of course, only two perpetrated by foreign born terrorists. We
did have the Oklahoma City bombing

....which was perpetrated by traitors working with al Qaeda cells in the
Philippines.

And you forgot to mention the terrorist downing of TWA 800.

On Wed, 4 May 2005 11:15:12 -0400, "Dr. Dr. K. Grear"
Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote:

Harry,
Let's just kill all the conservatives and let God sort them out.

You assume god gives a ****. More than likely he'd just bull doze
them into a pit and call it a day.

bb

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This is potentially what you are agreeing with. And if you think
there
aren't enough antisocial types who'd gladly sign up, put on a
uniform,

and


do things like this to innocent citizens under the guise of "national
security", think again. You've already seen it done.

The Feds have had this power on the waterways for some time now. It
has
nothing to do with ID cards.


Forget it, NYOB. You're arguing with small-minded, liberal
chicken-littles,
and their sky is falling.


It must be a very high sky. It's been falling for over 4 years
now...and still hasn't crashed down on anybody's head.


No? What about the 3000 who died because of Bush's malfeasance? The sky
and the building and the plane crashed down on them.


The planning for that attack was under way for several years prior to
Bush taking office. Bush had the misfortune of having to rely on
information gathered by Clinton-appointees.

Notice how there hasn't been an attack since Bush went on the offensive
with *his* people in the important positions?

You are STILL trying to pin 9-11 on Clinton?

Bush was at the helm on 9-11, and had been at the helm for eight months.
He had warnings he decided to ignore. He spent the summer diddling on his
ranch. I blame Bush for being asleep on watch on 9-11. History will, too.

Not a chance...no matter how many documents Sandy Berger sticks in his socks
to conceal the Clinton administration bungling attempts at fighting
terrorism.



Your oft-repeated comment about "no attacks" is nonsense. The terrorists
will attack on their schedule, not ours.

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Gorf wrote:

Reminder -
There have only been two terrorist attacks on US soil, 1993 and 2001.
That
is EIGHT years apart, if the terrorist maintain that schedule we are not
due
for another attack until 2009.



You mean, of course, only two perpetrated by foreign born terrorists. We
did have the Oklahoma City bombing


...which was perpetrated by traitors working with al Qaeda cells in the
Philippines.

And you forgot to mention the terrorist downing of TWA 800.


I must admit that part of your limited charm is this ability to on
occasion come up with really, truly bizarre ideas.

I wish I could take credit for the ideas. But the truth is that I'm
paraphrasing a former CIA Director. They're his "ideas"...not mine.

Yes, that is because I am so smart, I amaze myself with my superior
intellect. ; )




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"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
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NOYB,
Exactly, we need to abolish Drivers License and passports.

Since Bush instituted them the country has gone down the tubes. Drivers
Licenses and passports reek of Nazi suppression.

That's why they call you Dr. Dr.



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Perhaps. But only if the ACLU continues to dismantle the
President's authority to detain illegal combatants in this war on
terror.

You mean, the government's new hobby, detaining people like these?

And, don't hand us any bull**** about the source, as you usually
do.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Apr20.html


Muslims Detained at Border Sue U.S. Homeland Security

By Michelle Garcia
Special to The Washington Post
Thursday, April 21, 2005; Page A08

NEW YORK, April 20 -- American Muslims detained at the border as
they returned from a religious conference in Toronto sued the
Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday alleging they were
targets of ethnic and religious profiling.

The five Muslims, all U.S. citizens, say customs officials
detained dozens of others from their conference in December,
subjecting them to interrogations, fingerprinting and
photographing.

I have no problem with the "source" of this story...nor with
actions of the Dept. of Homeland Security.

Those 5 folks who were detained are certainly more apt to commit
terrorist attacks than an 80 year old grandmother. It's about time
they started racial profiling...especially for people who travel to
"conferences" that have suspected ties to terrorism.


Besides...questioning, fingerprinting, and photographing hardly
qualify as "detainment". So what's the big deal?

But professor, you objected to the exact same type of policies when
practiced by the USSR. Sorry. Can't have it both ways.


No I didn't. I'm all for a National Photo ID card and fingerprint
and/or retinal scans at the airport and border crossings.



All good little fascists and communists want national photo IDs.


Only us fascists with nothing to hide. What's the difference, really?
We already have passports and state-issued drivers licenses.



Never read much WW II/Soviet State history, eh?

I meant...
What's the difference between a national photo idea and a passport or
state-issued drivers license? Or even a social security card?

Harry,
If it is so easy to filter my messages, why do you respond to each and every
one?


"harry.krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...

NOYB,
Exactly, we need to abolish Drivers License and passports.

Since Bush instituted them the country has gone down the tubes. Drivers
Licenses and passports reek of Nazi suppression.


That's why they call you Dr. Dr.



If you don't see a difference between a national ID card you have to
produce internally in the United States and a drivers license or passport,
then you deserve to live in a fascist state.

By the way, I hope you are wearing protection. You actually "opened" a
"Smitherscum" message. Better put your fingers in the sterile solution
before you pout them into some poor patient's mouth. Gloves aren't enough.

It's soooo easy to filter Smitherscum.

bb,
That would make it easier. ; )


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On Wed, 4 May 2005 11:15:12 -0400, "Dr. Dr. K. Grear"
Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote:

Harry,
Let's just kill all the conservatives and let God sort them out.

You assume god gives a ****. More than likely he'd just bull doze
them into a pit and call it a day.

bb