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JimH April 29th 05 08:30 PM

Are you in the top 150?
 
Is your zip code in the Forbes top 150 list?

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2005...0426homep.html

Most are coastal locations...thus the connection to boating.

Mine was rated 151. LOL




Dr. Dr. K. Grear April 29th 05 08:53 PM

JimH,

Harry's estate has it's own zip code, and two area codes and 8 species that
were thought to be extinct. He did have 3 pair of Pileated Woodpeckers
living in the woods, but he had to shot them because they were pecking on
the doublewide trailer, making it difficult to nap in the afternoon.

Try to top that one. ; )


"JimH" wrote in message
...
Is your zip code in the Forbes top 150 list?

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2005...0426homep.html

Most are coastal locations...thus the connection to boating.

Mine was rated 151. LOL






JimH April 29th 05 09:13 PM


"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...
JimH,

Harry's estate has it's own zip code, and two area codes and 8 species
that were thought to be extinct. He did have 3 pair of Pileated
Woodpeckers living in the woods, but he had to shot them because they were
pecking on the doublewide trailer, making it difficult to nap in the
afternoon.

Try to top that one. ; )


Why did you have to turn this thread sour with your post?



jps April 29th 05 10:27 PM

In article , says...
Is your zip code in the Forbes top 150 list?

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2005...0426homep.html

Most are coastal locations...thus the connection to boating.

Mine was rated 151. LOL


There must have been some mistake. I know my property alone makes the
zip code worth more than Atherton, CA.

I'm also among the 19% of Americans who think they're in the top 1%.

jps

[email protected] April 29th 05 11:15 PM

More than you ever wanted to know about demographics. Got to his site
and enter a city. Larger cities can be examined by zip code:

Examples:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Avon-Lake-Ohio.html

http://www.city-data.com/city/Seattle-Washington.html


Garth Almgren April 29th 05 11:25 PM

On 4/29/2005 2:27 PM, jps wrote:

In article , says...

Is your zip code in the Forbes top 150 list?

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2005...0426homep.html

Most are coastal locations...thus the


.... tenuous ...

connection to boating.

Mine was rated 151. LOL



There must have been some mistake.



I'm surprised that Medina, WA (home to Bill Gates) isn't higher than
98th place. There are some seriously expansive mansions there, on
seriously expensive Lake Washington waterfront property no less.



--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

Dr. Dr. K. Grear April 29th 05 11:28 PM

Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


wrote in message
oups.com...
More than you ever wanted to know about demographics. Got to his site
and enter a city. Larger cities can be examined by zip code:

Examples:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Avon-Lake-Ohio.html

http://www.city-data.com/city/Seattle-Washington.html




[email protected] April 30th 05 12:46 AM

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Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


********

You have to read between the lines. There aren't any buildable S/F lots
(or very few) left inside the city limits. I'll bet that 899 or more of
the 914 SF "buildings" they show in 2003 were condos.

If you were looking at free standing, single family homes you would see
very few built recently.
Seattle values are much higher than the list shows for most
neighborhoods. A serious "fixer-upper" went for over $500k on the hill
where we live, and the buyer was glad to get it. I doubt you'd find
anything in the worst imaginable neighborhood or in any condition for
less than $200k. According to a recent article in the local paper, it
isn't uncommon for current sellers to have their asking prices bid *up*
$60-70k by competing buyers.

Frankly it's nuts. Why should my house be valued today at about 4 times
what I paid for it in the early 90's? I've been bullish on real estate
my entire life, but I think some of the folks just getting on the merry
go round for the first time will be in for a rude awakening......hope
not, but it could easily be. Reminds me of the stock market of just a
few years ago, no price is too high because there's a "bigger fool"
coming down the road. I'd be happy to see current prices cool off a
bit and stabilize.


Dr. Dr. K. Grear April 30th 05 03:16 AM

Harry,
I have told you many things about myself, including the fact that you used
to make up stories about me and sheep.



"harry.krause" wrote in message
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Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


********

You have to read between the lines. There aren't any buildable S/F lots
(or very few) left inside the city limits. I'll bet that 899 or more of
the 914 SF "buildings" they show in 2003 were condos.

If you were looking at free standing, single family homes you would see
very few built recently.
Seattle values are much higher than the list shows for most
neighborhoods. A serious "fixer-upper" went for over $500k on the hill
where we live, and the buyer was glad to get it. I doubt you'd find
anything in the worst imaginable neighborhood or in any condition for
less than $200k. According to a recent article in the local paper, it
isn't uncommon for current sellers to have their asking prices bid *up*
$60-70k by competing buyers.

Frankly it's nuts. Why should my house be valued today at about 4 times
what I paid for it in the early 90's? I've been bullish on real estate
my entire life, but I think some of the folks just getting on the merry
go round for the first time will be in for a rude awakening......hope
not, but it could easily be. Reminds me of the stock market of just a
few years ago, no price is too high because there's a "bigger fool"
coming down the road. I'd be happy to see current prices cool off a
bit and stabilize.


Isn't it interesting that "Smithers" has some comment to make about where
you live, but of course has never revealed under his current set of about
three dozen IDs where he lives, what he does, what boat he currently owns,
where he boats, or any information whatsoever, actually.

He's using you for grist in his mill, Chuckster.



--
Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him
are destroying the once-great United States.




NOYB April 30th 05 04:38 AM


"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...
Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at least
a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a minimum
population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look up the
"34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than the
Atherton, CA median home price.








JimH April 30th 05 04:57 AM


"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...
Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a
minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look up
the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than the
Atherton, CA median home price.








Go ask Steve Forbes.

The fact your zip is not listed does not make you a lesser person. ;-)



JimH April 30th 05 04:59 AM


"JimH" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...
Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a
minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look up
the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than the
Atherton, CA median home price.








Go ask Steve Forbes.

The fact that your zip code is not listed does not make you a lesser
person. ;-)


edit



Bill McKee April 30th 05 05:23 AM

Depends on the size of the zip code. I am between Sunol and Alamo. House
up the street, just sold, 1.6mm and down the street 2 blocks went for 825k.
there are more and less expendsive.
Bill

"Garth Almgren" wrote in message
...
On 4/29/2005 2:27 PM, jps wrote:

In article , says...

Is your zip code in the Forbes top 150 list?

http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/2005...0426homep.html

Most are coastal locations...thus the


... tenuous ...

connection to boating.

Mine was rated 151. LOL



There must have been some mistake.



I'm surprised that Medina, WA (home to Bill Gates) isn't higher than 98th
place. There are some seriously expansive mansions there, on seriously
expensive Lake Washington waterfront property no less.



--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows




Bill McKee April 30th 05 06:59 AM


"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...
Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a
minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look up
the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than the
Atherton, CA median home price.




I doubt that very much! That is the median price of one the most expensive
neighborhoods in a land of very high priced neighborhoods.



Don White April 30th 05 02:49 PM

NOYB wrote:
snip...
I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at least
a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a minimum
population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look up the
"34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than the
Atherton, CA median home price.



Why would you want to be on any list that included Cleveland or Avon
Lake? Where's your civic pride?








Bill McKee April 30th 05 06:36 PM


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
NOYB wrote:
snip...

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a
minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look
up the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than
the Atherton, CA median home price.




Why would you want to be on any list that included Cleveland or Avon
Lake? Where's your civic pride?



Why anyone would want to live in an area because it was on that list is
something I don't understand.


I understand, you can not understand that they are the list because lots of
people want to live in the area, and there are not enough homes to supplyhem
all. Understand?



Tuuk May 1st 05 01:38 PM

"''Whew...glad my dippy little town of 3000 or so isn't on the list. Last
thing I want to see is population pressure and overinflated real estate
values. We want minimal growth. Took a year to for all of us to
successfully fight off a Wal-Mart superstore in our corner of the
county."'""'



krause,, first off you are on government assistance,,

Second,, Wal-Mart is trying to unionize,, wouldn't one think that a two card
carrying union slug like yourself would support more unionized jobs in your
community?? I mean krause the unions preserved your jobs your entire
career,,, now someone else needs them and you what,, blame Bush??? lol,,,,
and you know all the other Presidents??? lol,,, ouch,,,

No wonder this fat old single woman is with you full time ,, the civil
servant social worker your 3rd wife,,, lol,,, it is probably a full time job
for her,,, lol,,, part of her job,,, oooo my,,,

no doubt











"harry.krause" wrote in message
...
wrote:
More than you ever wanted to know about demographics. Got to his site
and enter a city. Larger cities can be examined by zip code:

Examples:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Avon-Lake-Ohio.html

http://www.city-data.com/city/Seattle-Washington.html



Whew...glad my dippy little town of 3000 or so isn't on the list. Last
thing I want to see is population pressure and overinflated real estate
values. We want minimal growth. Took a year to for all of us to
successfully fight off a Wal-Mart superstore in our corner of the county.




--
Bush and the NeoConvicts who control him
are destroying the once-great United States.




[email protected] May 2nd 05 01:00 PM


JimH wrote:
"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...
JimH,

Harry's estate has it's own zip code, and two area codes and 8

species
that were thought to be extinct. He did have 3 pair of Pileated
Woodpeckers living in the woods, but he had to shot them because

they were
pecking on the doublewide trailer, making it difficult to nap in

the
afternoon.

Try to top that one. ; )


Why did you have to turn this thread sour with your post?


That's the Smithers style, Jim. Sad but true.


[email protected] May 2nd 05 01:03 PM


NOYB wrote:
"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...
Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at

least
a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a

minimum
population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look up the


"34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than the


Atherton, CA median home price.


Hehe!! I just KNEW ole NOYB would go off the hook when he seen that
Naples wasn't on the list!!!!!!!! I was just sitting back quietly,
knowing all too well the he just wouldn't be able to swallow the
information given!!!!!!


[email protected] May 2nd 05 01:03 PM


JimH wrote:

Go ask Steve Forbes.

The fact your zip is not listed does not make you a lesser person.

;-)

It does in HIS eyes.


P.Fritz May 2nd 05 02:23 PM


"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...
Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a
minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look up
the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than the
Atherton, CA median home price.


You've listed 'average' cost, the list was 'median' There is a big
difference.
Also, I would hazard a guess that in many of those zip code few houses
change hands and or hvae low denisty of housing. If you only had 5 houses
sell, at 2.1mil, 2.1 mil, 2.0 mil and 100k and 100k, the median would be
not reflect the true nature of the market .













NOYB May 2nd 05 06:28 PM


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...
Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a
minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look up
the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than the
Atherton, CA median home price.




I doubt that very much! That is the median price of one the most
expensive neighborhoods in a land of very high priced neighborhoods.


Zip code 34102 is the Port Royal and Aqualane Shores area of Naples. There
are currently 32 homes for sale in Port Royal according to MLS. They range
in price from $2,995,00 to $24,900,000. Ten of them are over $10 million.

In Aqualane, there are 14 homes currently for sale. They range from $2.2
million to $6.69 million.

Those statistics put the median quite a bit higher than the #1 on Forbe's
list.



NOYB May 2nd 05 06:31 PM


"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...
Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a
minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look up
the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than the
Atherton, CA median home price.


You've listed 'average' cost, the list was 'median' There is a big
difference.
Also, I would hazard a guess that in many of those zip code few houses
change hands and or hvae low denisty of housing. If you only had 5 houses
sell, at 2.1mil, 2.1 mil, 2.0 mil and 100k and 100k, the median would be
not reflect the true nature of the market .


Waterfront property does that. YOu can have a house selling for $300k...and
the exact same one right across the street, but on direct-Gulf access could
sell for $1.3 million.



P.Fritz May 2nd 05 06:35 PM


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"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
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Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a
minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look
up the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than
the Atherton, CA median home price.


You've listed 'average' cost, the list was 'median' There is a big
difference.
Also, I would hazard a guess that in many of those zip code few houses
change hands and or hvae low denisty of housing. If you only had 5
houses sell, at 2.1mil, 2.1 mil, 2.0 mil and 100k and 100k, the median
would be not reflect the true nature of the market .


Waterfront property does that. YOu can have a house selling for
$300k...and the exact same one right across the street, but on direct-Gulf
access could sell for $1.3 million.


Same around here.......a 1200 s.f. ranch on a canal will run 350-400k, and
half that or less without .







Dr. Dr. K. Grear May 2nd 05 08:40 PM

Why did you have to turn this thread sour?


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NOYB wrote:
"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
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Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at

least
a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a

minimum
population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look up the


"34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than the


Atherton, CA median home price.


Hehe!! I just KNEW ole NOYB would go off the hook when he seen that
Naples wasn't on the list!!!!!!!! I was just sitting back quietly,
knowing all too well the he just wouldn't be able to swallow the
information given!!!!!!




Bill McKee May 2nd 05 10:03 PM


"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
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Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a
minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look
up the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher than
the Atherton, CA median home price.




I doubt that very much! That is the median price of one the most
expensive neighborhoods in a land of very high priced neighborhoods.


Zip code 34102 is the Port Royal and Aqualane Shores area of Naples.
There are currently 32 homes for sale in Port Royal according to MLS.
They range in price from $2,995,00 to $24,900,000. Ten of them are over
$10 million.

In Aqualane, there are 14 homes currently for sale. They range from $2.2
million to $6.69 million.

Those statistics put the median quite a bit higher than the #1 on Forbe's
list.


You do not get that many homes changing hands in Atherton. Is a stable
community and the kids take over the house. And in your naples zip code,
how many sell for the asking price, and how many outside the local
neighborhood you quote and in the zip code selling and what price. I am in
Pleasanton Calif and our zip code has a price range of about 400k on the
lower end for a condo to 15-20 million in Ruby Hills gated community and
3-10 million in the Castlewood golf course area. Sunol is the next town
south.



NOYB May 3rd 05 02:10 AM


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
...
Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a
minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look
up the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher
than the Atherton, CA median home price.




I doubt that very much! That is the median price of one the most
expensive neighborhoods in a land of very high priced neighborhoods.


Zip code 34102 is the Port Royal and Aqualane Shores area of Naples.
There are currently 32 homes for sale in Port Royal according to MLS.
They range in price from $2,995,00 to $24,900,000. Ten of them are over
$10 million.

In Aqualane, there are 14 homes currently for sale. They range from $2.2
million to $6.69 million.

Those statistics put the median quite a bit higher than the #1 on Forbe's
list.


You do not get that many homes changing hands in Atherton. Is a stable
community and the kids take over the house. And in your naples zip code,
how many sell for the asking price, and how many outside the local
neighborhood you quote and in the zip code selling and what price. I am
in Pleasanton Calif and our zip code has a price range of about 400k on
the lower end for a condo to 15-20 million in Ruby Hills gated community
and 3-10 million in the Castlewood golf course area. Sunol is the next
town south.



The 34102 area code doesn't have a home under $2 million. It has dozens
over $10 million. I'd venture to guess that the median is somewhere close
to $4-5million.






Bill McKee May 3rd 05 05:56 AM


"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
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Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there a
minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could look
up the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be higher
than the Atherton, CA median home price.




I doubt that very much! That is the median price of one the most
expensive neighborhoods in a land of very high priced neighborhoods.

Zip code 34102 is the Port Royal and Aqualane Shores area of Naples.
There are currently 32 homes for sale in Port Royal according to MLS.
They range in price from $2,995,00 to $24,900,000. Ten of them are over
$10 million.

In Aqualane, there are 14 homes currently for sale. They range from
$2.2 million to $6.69 million.

Those statistics put the median quite a bit higher than the #1 on
Forbe's list.


You do not get that many homes changing hands in Atherton. Is a stable
community and the kids take over the house. And in your naples zip code,
how many sell for the asking price, and how many outside the local
neighborhood you quote and in the zip code selling and what price. I am
in Pleasanton Calif and our zip code has a price range of about 400k on
the lower end for a condo to 15-20 million in Ruby Hills gated community
and 3-10 million in the Castlewood golf course area. Sunol is the next
town south.



The 34102 area code doesn't have a home under $2 million. It has dozens
over $10 million. I'd venture to guess that the median is somewhere close
to $4-5million.






Atherton does not have a bare lot under 2 million. Wifes cousin died. Her
little 2 bedroom house on a lot in Los Altos, next to Atherton sold for 1.1
million. The house is a tear down.

http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/20...6.alarry.shtml



[email protected] May 3rd 05 05:26 PM


Bill McKee wrote:

snip the drivel

Hey, Bill, it's cute how you follow Smither's lead and make yourself a
new name every now and then. Easier to cover your dumb mistakes, huh?


NOYB May 3rd 05 06:44 PM


"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
nk.net...

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
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Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there
a minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could
look up the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be
higher than the Atherton, CA median home price.




I doubt that very much! That is the median price of one the most
expensive neighborhoods in a land of very high priced neighborhoods.

Zip code 34102 is the Port Royal and Aqualane Shores area of Naples.
There are currently 32 homes for sale in Port Royal according to MLS.
They range in price from $2,995,00 to $24,900,000. Ten of them are
over $10 million.

In Aqualane, there are 14 homes currently for sale. They range from
$2.2 million to $6.69 million.

Those statistics put the median quite a bit higher than the #1 on
Forbe's list.


You do not get that many homes changing hands in Atherton. Is a stable
community and the kids take over the house. And in your naples zip
code, how many sell for the asking price, and how many outside the local
neighborhood you quote and in the zip code selling and what price. I am
in Pleasanton Calif and our zip code has a price range of about 400k on
the lower end for a condo to 15-20 million in Ruby Hills gated community
and 3-10 million in the Castlewood golf course area. Sunol is the next
town south.



The 34102 area code doesn't have a home under $2 million. It has dozens
over $10 million. I'd venture to guess that the median is somewhere
close to $4-5million.






Atherton does not have a bare lot under 2 million. Wifes cousin died.
Her little 2 bedroom house on a lot in Los Altos, next to Atherton sold
for 1.1 million. The house is a tear down.

http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/20...6.alarry.shtml



This story is 3 years old. Prices have nearly doubled since then.


Top of the Market

In an era of runaway real estate prices, here's a peek at the 20 most
expensive homes sold in Collier and Lee counties last year.
Collier County


1. $30,000,000

The talk of the town since the transaction was completed in April 2001, this
deal in the Cutlass Cove section of Port Royal would make headlines just
about anywhere in the world. For their money, the buyers got three
properties: 1.45 acres of Gulf-front land with a one-story, nine-room home
of nearly 6,000 square feet of living space; a 3/4-acre bayfront lot on the
other side of Gordon Drive; and a vacant lot.

The Gulf-front property, last sold in 1996 for $5.5 million, was valued at
$10.2 million. The house, built in the 1960s and updated several times
since, has been leased back to the seller for a year. It will be torn down
and replaced with a home that reflects the value of the land but isn't a
"megahome," says Pat Candito, the agent who sealed the deal. "The owners don't
want something that looks like a hotel. They want something their grandkids
can live in without having to run after them, telling them, 'Don't touch
that.'"

Candito says the buyers have lived in Naples four or five years and were
looking for a "nice, large lot on the beach. What they got was a tremendous
site."



2. $14,942,600


The only Old Naples property to make the cut-and one of just two top 10
transactions after Sept. 11-this deal included two pieces of prime real
estate right on Gulf Shore Boulevard. At less than half of No. 1's top sales
price, the New York City buyers got a three-story single-family home right
on the beach on a lot about three-quarters of an acre. This property-without
a house-last sold for $4.9 million in 1998.



3. $12,400,000


Just one of a dozen homes in the ultra-exclusive Strand in Pelican Bay and
one of just two top sellers not in Port Royal, this four-story home has all
the extras. Most importantly, it has a prized Gulf-front setting and
wildlife preserves that block the view of neighboring houses, guaranteeing a
perpetual fringe of green.

Purchased by a Midwestern couple, the house has more than 9,000 square feet
under air, five bedrooms, each with their own private balconies, six and
one-half baths, a media room, wine room, garage space for six cars-the list
goes on. Agents Ursula and Gerard J.L. Swart said it was love at first sight
for the couple, who liked the home's "smaller" size compared to some of its
20,000-square-foot neighbors. They also surely adored the 3,091 square feet
of balconies.

"The top balcony has a fantastic view; it's just like being in the
Mediterranean," says Gerard. "It was a quick decision once we found it for
them."



4. $12,000,000

A vacant 1.28-acre lot with a lot of potential is what the buyers got for
their $12 million. This Port Royal property will soon showcase a winter
residence for the buyers. "They just wanted a spectacular view and found it
in this property," said the selling agent. "There are not that many lots
with that kind of view, except if the house is a teardown."

The property nearly doubled in price in just a year, having last sold in
April 2000 for $6.5 million-still quite a jump from its first recorded sale
of $495,000 in 1982.



5. $11,000,000

A younger couple bought this already furnished 10,000-square-foot
mega-mansion on Manowar Cove, an inland canal. "There's a million dollars in
precast stone and an incredible home theater," says agent Mike McCumber, of
Premiere Properties.

Part of the attraction had to be the 100-foot floating dock covered in
keystone. The couple's prized Ferraris can find shelter in a three-car
garage and second garage with an elevator. "There's a bridge over a koi pond
from the kitchen to the dock," says McCumber. "It's probably the nicest dock
in Port Royal."

Recently featured in Fortune as epitomizing the new, youthful faces of
Naples' wealthy, the couple could have bought the home as a Valentine's Day
present-the sale was finalized Feb. 15.

The property alone is valued at $4.7 million. It brought $16,300 when it
first sold in 1969.



6. $10,630,700


The buyers purchased a two-story home with 6,671 total square feet in Port
Royal. The sale was the first ever for this Green Dolphin Lane property.



7. $10,500,000

Overlooking Old Harbour Cove, this home wasn't on the market long, says
Premiere Properties' Tom Campbell. "It sold at that price because it's one
of the most magical and well-built homes I've ever been in. This home has
its own spirit."

Featuring long water frontage, private courtyards, a unique guest house, and
7,287 total square feet, the two-story structure blends state-of-the-art
technology with the "subtlety and classical sense of an older French home,"
says Campbell.

The sales history of this home reflects a steady increase. It last sold for
$1.1 million in 1996. The property first sold in 1978 for $90,000.



8. $10,350,000


The second-largest home on our list, this one-story Port Royal mansion
boasts 8,389 total square feet and 7,315 square feet under air. Its $10.3
million sale price reflects a five-fold increase since the property last
sold for $2.1 million in 1997. The price tag on this property increased by
just $275,000-from $1.6 million to $1.875 million-between 1987 and 1992.



9. $9,500,000


Two full lots in Port Royal will eventually boast a great home with large
gardens. This property, which overlooks Treasure Cove, enjoys one of the
longest interior water views in Port Royal. Premiere Properties' Campbell
says the place exudes peacefulness.

The property last sold for $7.25 million in 2000. Other recorded sales were
$4.9 million in 1999 and $2.5 million two years earlier.



10. $9,350,000


Husband-and-wife residents of New York City spent $9.3 million for this Port
Royal home on Galleon Drive, but the wife says extensive remodeling will
easily push the cost of the home to $10 million. One of just two of the top
10 deals that took place after Sept. 11, the house was purchased before it
was finished, allowing the couple to put their own personal stamp on it.

Although it's new, the wife says the home's classical architecture makes it
timeless. Its unique appearance-it looks like a Greek temple-has caused it
to be pointed out by passing tour boat guides. "There are many beautiful
homes around, but I choose this because it's very different, very unique,"
she says.

Overlooking a wide portion of Naples Bay, the house offers a picture-perfect
view of sailboats on the bay. "It's just like something from a movie, all of
these colorful boats," she notes.

The two-story, 8,000-square-foot home has five bedrooms, a morning room,
den/library, media room with theater-style seating for eight and features
natural stone throughout. "It has this Old World castle feel to it," says
the wife. "It's new but it looks like it could be 80 years old."

The couple first discovered Naples 15 years ago, and the wife says she
always hoped her attorney husband would slow down and retire here. The
couple will keep their home in New York City but plan to live in Naples
seven to eight months a year.



http://www.gulfshorelife.com/Pages/h...tories.asp?346



NOYB May 3rd 05 06:46 PM


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"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
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Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are at
least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was there
a minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you could
look up the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would be
higher than the Atherton, CA median home price.




I doubt that very much! That is the median price of one the most
expensive neighborhoods in a land of very high priced neighborhoods.

Zip code 34102 is the Port Royal and Aqualane Shores area of Naples.
There are currently 32 homes for sale in Port Royal according to MLS.
They range in price from $2,995,00 to $24,900,000. Ten of them are
over $10 million.

In Aqualane, there are 14 homes currently for sale. They range from
$2.2 million to $6.69 million.

Those statistics put the median quite a bit higher than the #1 on
Forbe's list.


You do not get that many homes changing hands in Atherton. Is a stable
community and the kids take over the house. And in your naples zip
code, how many sell for the asking price, and how many outside the local
neighborhood you quote and in the zip code selling and what price. I am
in Pleasanton Calif and our zip code has a price range of about 400k on
the lower end for a condo to 15-20 million in Ruby Hills gated community
and 3-10 million in the Castlewood golf course area. Sunol is the next
town south.



The 34102 area code doesn't have a home under $2 million. It has dozens
over $10 million. I'd venture to guess that the median is somewhere
close to $4-5million.






Atherton does not have a bare lot under 2 million. Wifes cousin died.
Her little 2 bedroom house on a lot in Los Altos, next to Atherton sold
for 1.1 million. The house is a tear down.

http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/20...6.alarry.shtml


Here are some more listings in the Port Royal section of Naples, Bill:
http://tinyurl.com/7dvef



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Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are
at least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was
there a minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you
could look up the "34102" zip code only, the median home price would
be higher than the Atherton, CA median home price.




I doubt that very much! That is the median price of one the most
expensive neighborhoods in a land of very high priced neighborhoods.

Zip code 34102 is the Port Royal and Aqualane Shores area of Naples.
There are currently 32 homes for sale in Port Royal according to MLS.
They range in price from $2,995,00 to $24,900,000. Ten of them are
over $10 million.

In Aqualane, there are 14 homes currently for sale. They range from
$2.2 million to $6.69 million.

Those statistics put the median quite a bit higher than the #1 on
Forbe's list.


You do not get that many homes changing hands in Atherton. Is a stable
community and the kids take over the house. And in your naples zip
code, how many sell for the asking price, and how many outside the
local neighborhood you quote and in the zip code selling and what
price. I am in Pleasanton Calif and our zip code has a price range of
about 400k on the lower end for a condo to 15-20 million in Ruby Hills
gated community and 3-10 million in the Castlewood golf course area.
Sunol is the next town south.


The 34102 area code doesn't have a home under $2 million. It has dozens
over $10 million. I'd venture to guess that the median is somewhere
close to $4-5million.






Atherton does not have a bare lot under 2 million. Wifes cousin died.
Her little 2 bedroom house on a lot in Los Altos, next to Atherton sold
for 1.1 million. The house is a tear down.

http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/20...6.alarry.shtml


Here are some more listings in the Port Royal section of Naples, Bill:
http://tinyurl.com/7dvef


When you visit that the aforementioned site, Bill, pay close attention to
the fact that the first two listings ($32.9 million each) are just for the
*lots*.





Bill McKee May 4th 05 05:53 AM


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snip the drivel

Hey, Bill, it's cute how you follow Smither's lead and make yourself a
new name every now and then. Easier to cover your dumb mistakes, huh?


Only 2nd name. New computer. Now, how many names have you gone by kevin?



Bill McKee May 4th 05 05:55 AM


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Atherton does not have a bare lot under 2 million. Wifes cousin died.
Her little 2 bedroom house on a lot in Los Altos, next to Atherton sold
for 1.1 million. The house is a tear down.

http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/20...6.alarry.shtml



This story is 3 years old. Prices have nearly doubled since then.


What do you think Larry's house would sell for today? $50mm?



Bill McKee May 4th 05 05:55 AM


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Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have expect
substantially more construction and substantially higher costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are
at least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was
there a minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If you
could look up the "34102" zip code only, the median home price
would be higher than the Atherton, CA median home price.




I doubt that very much! That is the median price of one the most
expensive neighborhoods in a land of very high priced neighborhoods.

Zip code 34102 is the Port Royal and Aqualane Shores area of Naples.
There are currently 32 homes for sale in Port Royal according to MLS.
They range in price from $2,995,00 to $24,900,000. Ten of them are
over $10 million.

In Aqualane, there are 14 homes currently for sale. They range from
$2.2 million to $6.69 million.

Those statistics put the median quite a bit higher than the #1 on
Forbe's list.


You do not get that many homes changing hands in Atherton. Is a
stable community and the kids take over the house. And in your naples
zip code, how many sell for the asking price, and how many outside the
local neighborhood you quote and in the zip code selling and what
price. I am in Pleasanton Calif and our zip code has a price range of
about 400k on the lower end for a condo to 15-20 million in Ruby Hills
gated community and 3-10 million in the Castlewood golf course area.
Sunol is the next town south.


The 34102 area code doesn't have a home under $2 million. It has
dozens over $10 million. I'd venture to guess that the median is
somewhere close to $4-5million.






Atherton does not have a bare lot under 2 million. Wifes cousin died.
Her little 2 bedroom house on a lot in Los Altos, next to Atherton sold
for 1.1 million. The house is a tear down.

http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/20...6.alarry.shtml


Here are some more listings in the Port Royal section of Naples, Bill:
http://tinyurl.com/7dvef


When you visit that the aforementioned site, Bill, pay close attention to
the fact that the first two listings ($32.9 million each) are just for the
*lots*.





Tell Steven Forbes.



SoFarrell May 4th 05 12:24 PM


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Atherton does not have a bare lot under 2 million. Wifes cousin died.
Her little 2 bedroom house on a lot in Los Altos, next to Atherton sold
for 1.1 million. The house is a tear down.

http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/20...6.alarry.shtml



This story is 3 years old. Prices have nearly doubled since then.


What do you think Larry's house would sell for today? $50mm?

You guys aren't talking about the bass tourneyment ratings, are you? House
prices? Hope my area stays in the bottom 150, so I can afford to liv ehere.



NOYB May 4th 05 12:51 PM


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Atherton does not have a bare lot under 2 million. Wifes cousin died.
Her little 2 bedroom house on a lot in Los Altos, next to Atherton sold
for 1.1 million. The house is a tear down.

http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/20...6.alarry.shtml


This story is 3 years old. Prices have nearly doubled since then.


What do you think Larry's house would sell for today? $50mm?


You guys aren't talking about the bass tourneyment ratings, are you?
House prices? Hope my area stays in the bottom 150, so I can afford to
liv ehere.



You're got the right attitude. Better to live in a decent area where the
prices aren't going through the roof.


Bullpoop. If you're in the early years of your career (aka--debt
acquisition years), it's better if your home is appreciating rapidly so that
you can consolidate the debt into something that appreciates rather than
depreciates, *and* offers a tax write-off of the interest.

If you're close to retirement, and your home is paid off, rapid appreciation
is even more important. It increases your net worth (good for your kids
when you die), and it provides an appreciating asset that you can draw funds
from (in the form of a reverse mortgage).

Unless you're new to a market and can't afford the hyperinflated prices,
*or* you live in an area that doesn't cap the yearly growth in property
taxes, there really isn't anything bad about rapid home appreciation.



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"Dr. Dr. K. Grear" Call180bucme@foragoodtime wrote in message
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Gould,
Is this info look correct to you for Seattle? I would have
expect substantially more construction and substantially higher
costs.


Seattle
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 464 buildings, average cost: $125,800
b.. 1997: 469 buildings, average cost: $146,300
c.. 1998: 530 buildings, average cost: $135,200
d.. 1999: 480 buildings, average cost: $136,900
e.. 2000: 449 buildings, average cost: $143,800
f.. 2001: 484 buildings, average cost: $152,800
g.. 2002: 886 buildings, average cost: $159,100
h.. 2003: 914 buildings, average cost: $173,100


Naples:
Single-family new house construction building permits:
a.. 1996: 67 buildings, average cost: $754,900
b.. 1997: 70 buildings, average cost: $618,000
c.. 1998: 101 buildings, average cost: $565,800
d.. 1999: 117 buildings, average cost: $863,400
e.. 2000: 131 buildings, average cost: $837,200
f.. 2001: 122 buildings, average cost: $868,200
g.. 2002: 118 buildings, average cost: $912,700
h.. 2003: 128 buildings, average cost: $819,800
http://www.city-data.com/city/Naples-Florida.html

This was for *all* zip codes in Naples.

I was actually surprised to not see Naples on the list. There are
at least a dozen zip codes for the "Naples" mailing address. Was
there a minimum population requirement used in the rankings? If
you could look up the "34102" zip code only, the median home price
would be higher than the Atherton, CA median home price.




I doubt that very much! That is the median price of one the most
expensive neighborhoods in a land of very high priced
neighborhoods.

Zip code 34102 is the Port Royal and Aqualane Shores area of Naples.
There are currently 32 homes for sale in Port Royal according to
MLS. They range in price from $2,995,00 to $24,900,000. Ten of them
are over $10 million.

In Aqualane, there are 14 homes currently for sale. They range from
$2.2 million to $6.69 million.

Those statistics put the median quite a bit higher than the #1 on
Forbe's list.


You do not get that many homes changing hands in Atherton. Is a
stable community and the kids take over the house. And in your
naples zip code, how many sell for the asking price, and how many
outside the local neighborhood you quote and in the zip code selling
and what price. I am in Pleasanton Calif and our zip code has a
price range of about 400k on the lower end for a condo to 15-20
million in Ruby Hills gated community and 3-10 million in the
Castlewood golf course area. Sunol is the next town south.


The 34102 area code doesn't have a home under $2 million. It has
dozens over $10 million. I'd venture to guess that the median is
somewhere close to $4-5million.






Atherton does not have a bare lot under 2 million. Wifes cousin died.
Her little 2 bedroom house on a lot in Los Altos, next to Atherton sold
for 1.1 million. The house is a tear down.

http://www.almanacnews.com/morgue/20...6.alarry.shtml

Here are some more listings in the Port Royal section of Naples, Bill:
http://tinyurl.com/7dvef


When you visit that the aforementioned site, Bill, pay close attention to
the fact that the first two listings ($32.9 million each) are just for
the *lots*.





Tell Steven Forbes.


Why tell him? He's not the one who gathered the data for the article.




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