Doug Kanter wrote:

Hang on. You don't get off that easy. I'm trying to sell 3 truckloads of
Cheer Ultra Liquid detergent, regular scent and two of the stupid scents
that women seem to love (lavender pussy meadow fresh breeze and such).
$26.75 per case. Four 150 ounce jugs per case. 720 cases per truck, 36 per
pallet. $19,260.00 plus $1500.00 freight to Connecticut. Net 10 days. Go
check in your basement, see how you're set for detergent, and let me know
ASAP. No partial trucks - gotta take the whole thing. Delivers in about 2
weeks.


Wow weeee..how'd you get so dirty that you need that much soap Tom?

Don White wrote:


Wow weeee..how'd you get so dirty that you need that much soap Tom?



On the other hand...you could use a couple of jugs to wash Bert's mouth out!

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:22:07 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:20:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:03:19 GMT, Don White
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
snip
Although I must say, based on my experience with the Canadians, they
certainly are a...

Well, let's just leave that experience alone.

Say what?

It's a long story and really not worth repeating - it was resolved in
a satisfactory manner by the USCG and Canadian Navy or whoever it was
that was involved. I just felt that the Canadians, in the face of the
visual and verbal reports of the incident in question, could have been
a bit more understanding rather than acting like I was trying to sneak
into Canada.

So in other words, you were trying to sneak into Canada.

Yes - I wanted to protest the hockey lockout and where better to do
that than in the Land of the Puck. :)

Or is that the Land of the Loon?

Hang on. You don't get off that easy. I'm trying to sell 3 truckloads of
Cheer Ultra Liquid detergent, regular scent and two of the stupid scents
that women seem to love (lavender pussy meadow fresh breeze and such).
$26.75 per case. Four 150 ounce jugs per case. 720 cases per truck, 36 per
pallet. $19,260.00 plus $1500.00 freight to Connecticut. Net 10 days. Go
check in your basement, see how you're set for detergent, and let me know
ASAP. No partial trucks - gotta take the whole thing. Delivers in about 2
weeks.

Wow - that's a hell of a deal, but the problem is that I don't take
showers and I don't wash my clothes. Hell, I'm wearing the same
underwear I wore in Vietnam - it stands up by itself and can even walk
around on it's own power.

I figure if God wanted us to be clean, he wouldn't have invented dirt
or BO for that matter.

Later,

Tom

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:20:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:03:19 GMT, Don White
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
snip
Although I must say, based on my experience with the Canadians, they
certainly are a...

Well, let's just leave that experience alone.

Say what?

It's a long story and really not worth repeating - it was resolved in
a satisfactory manner by the USCG and Canadian Navy or whoever it was
that was involved. I just felt that the Canadians, in the face of the
visual and verbal reports of the incident in question, could have been
a bit more understanding rather than acting like I was trying to sneak
into Canada.

So in other words, you were trying to sneak into Canada.

Yes - I wanted to protest the hockey lockout and where better to do
that than in the Land of the Puck. :)

Or is that the Land of the Loon?

Later,

Tom

A loony pucker?
G

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:28:01 -0700, "Gordon"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:20:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:03:19 GMT, Don White
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
snip
Although I must say, based on my experience with the Canadians, they
certainly are a...

Well, let's just leave that experience alone.

Say what?

It's a long story and really not worth repeating - it was resolved in
a satisfactory manner by the USCG and Canadian Navy or whoever it was
that was involved. I just felt that the Canadians, in the face of the
visual and verbal reports of the incident in question, could have been
a bit more understanding rather than acting like I was trying to sneak
into Canada.

So in other words, you were trying to sneak into Canada.

Yes - I wanted to protest the hockey lockout and where better to do
that than in the Land of the Puck. :)

Or is that the Land of the Loon?

A loony pucker?

That works.

Later,

Tom

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:22:07 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:20:23 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:03:19 GMT, Don White
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
snip
Although I must say, based on my experience with the Canadians, they
certainly are a...

Well, let's just leave that experience alone.

Say what?

It's a long story and really not worth repeating - it was resolved in
a satisfactory manner by the USCG and Canadian Navy or whoever it was
that was involved. I just felt that the Canadians, in the face of the
visual and verbal reports of the incident in question, could have been
a bit more understanding rather than acting like I was trying to sneak
into Canada.

So in other words, you were trying to sneak into Canada.

Yes - I wanted to protest the hockey lockout and where better to do
that than in the Land of the Puck. :)

Or is that the Land of the Loon?

Hang on. You don't get off that easy. I'm trying to sell 3 truckloads of
Cheer Ultra Liquid detergent, regular scent and two of the stupid scents
that women seem to love (lavender pussy meadow fresh breeze and such).
$26.75 per case. Four 150 ounce jugs per case. 720 cases per truck, 36 per
pallet. $19,260.00 plus $1500.00 freight to Connecticut. Net 10 days. Go
check in your basement, see how you're set for detergent, and let me know
ASAP. No partial trucks - gotta take the whole thing. Delivers in about 2
weeks.

Wow - that's a hell of a deal, but the problem is that I don't take
showers and I don't wash my clothes. Hell, I'm wearing the same
underwear I wore in Vietnam - it stands up by itself and can even walk
around on it's own power.

I figure if God wanted us to be clean, he wouldn't have invented dirt
or BO for that matter.

Later,

Tom

OK....well, if you know anyone who might be interested, please let me know,
Tom. I have one truckload left, although a large supermarket chain will
probably take it by mid-day today.

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:14:58 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

OK....well, if you know anyone who might be interested, please let me know,
Tom. I have one truckload left, although a large supermarket chain will
probably take it by mid-day today.

Out of curiosity, how did you come into ownership of three truckloads
of laundry detergent?

Later,

Tom

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:14:58 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

OK....well, if you know anyone who might be interested, please let me
know,
Tom. I have one truckload left, although a large supermarket chain will
probably take it by mid-day today.

Out of curiosity, how did you come into ownership of three truckloads
of laundry detergent?

Later,

Tom

It's what I do, Tom. It's called diverting. Short example: Grocery chain
gets a deal from Proctor & Gamble, giving them better than normal pricing,
for maybe a month or two, on certain products, like detergents. P&G lets the
chain buy as many trucks as they want. They may put some on sale (for the
retail customers), or they may not. Or, if it's a product that won't spoil,
they just buy a lot because...why not?

The other thing they'll do is call companies like ours and see if we want to
buy truckloads and sell it to other chains, or wholesalers, who aren't
getting the same deal. Or, perhaps the one-month deal has passed these
others by. If there's enough spread between "normal" pricing and deal
pricing, it works.

It used to be easy until a bunch of stooges in Washington decided to see how
war affects the price of oil (something anyone can learn from just reading,
living life and watching old war movies). Before the war, freight was
$1.20-$1.40 per mile. Now it's $2.20-$2.50. That shrinks the distance we can
ship, obviously.

There's humor in the business. The manufacturers' reps are usually on
commission of some sort. Their companies don't want customers diverting
product. In other words, if Stop & Shop buys stuff on deal, they want the
chain to keep it for themselves. So, the reps whine to the buyers if they're
buying more trucks than they can obviously use in their own stores. They
threaten to cut off the deal. Then, they stop acting and leave them alone
for awhile while they continue to buy 15, 20 or 30 trucks, selling all but
maybe 4 to people like us. Why? Because they're on commission. :-)

Doug,
All consumer products companies frown on diverters, P&G is probably the
strictest in allocating only X amount of product on deal ( they base deal
product purchases upon the amount of non deal products). The company does
not benefit from diverters, the individual salesman does. It is not unusual
for a mfg'er to fire an employee or broker who knowingly sells to a
diverter.

Do the retailers who supply you ever "dry up" when the mfg'er determine who
you are using?





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:14:58 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

OK....well, if you know anyone who might be interested, please let me
know,
Tom. I have one truckload left, although a large supermarket chain will
probably take it by mid-day today.

Out of curiosity, how did you come into ownership of three truckloads
of laundry detergent?

Later,

Tom

It's what I do, Tom. It's called diverting. Short example: Grocery chain
gets a deal from Proctor & Gamble, giving them better than normal pricing,
for maybe a month or two, on certain products, like detergents. P&G lets
the chain buy as many trucks as they want. They may put some on sale (for
the retail customers), or they may not. Or, if it's a product that won't
spoil, they just buy a lot because...why not?

The other thing they'll do is call companies like ours and see if we want
to buy truckloads and sell it to other chains, or wholesalers, who aren't
getting the same deal. Or, perhaps the one-month deal has passed these
others by. If there's enough spread between "normal" pricing and deal
pricing, it works.

It used to be easy until a bunch of stooges in Washington decided to see
how war affects the price of oil (something anyone can learn from just
reading, living life and watching old war movies). Before the war, freight
was $1.20-$1.40 per mile. Now it's $2.20-$2.50. That shrinks the distance
we can ship, obviously.

There's humor in the business. The manufacturers' reps are usually on
commission of some sort. Their companies don't want customers diverting
product. In other words, if Stop & Shop buys stuff on deal, they want the
chain to keep it for themselves. So, the reps whine to the buyers if
they're buying more trucks than they can obviously use in their own
stores. They threaten to cut off the deal. Then, they stop acting and
leave them alone for awhile while they continue to buy 15, 20 or 30
trucks, selling all but maybe 4 to people like us. Why? Because they're on
commission. :-)

Only the retailers who get piggish, and we will often refuse to buy more
from someone who is so greedy or inexperienced that they don't know when to
stop.

Some years back, I believe it was P&G who took a customer to court over the
diverting issue. The outcome was as expected. They were told that once
they'd sold something, the new owner (the customer) can sell it to anyone
they want, or they can dump it into the ocean. As far as the allocations you
mentioned, that's true, but often, they're totally disconnected from
reality. If P&G knows a chain normally moves 5 trucks a month, might move 7
if they run an ad in the Sunday paper, they'll very often let them have 10
or 12 trucks. Who's the fool here? Give them 8, but not 12. They'll
sometimes suggest storing the extra product at the lower price, but at the
same time, they'll spread rumors of a size or label change, and for reasons
that make no sense, the chains think you and I (the retail customers) give a
damn about the label change, so they don't want to get stuck with it.

It's all silly.

"The real ME" wrote in message
...
Doug,
All consumer products companies frown on diverters, P&G is probably the
strictest in allocating only X amount of product on deal ( they base deal
product purchases upon the amount of non deal products). The company does
not benefit from diverters, the individual salesman does. It is not
unusual for a mfg'er to fire an employee or broker who knowingly sells to
a diverter.

Do the retailers who supply you ever "dry up" when the mfg'er determine
who you are using?





"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:14:58 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

OK....well, if you know anyone who might be interested, please let me
know,
Tom. I have one truckload left, although a large supermarket chain will
probably take it by mid-day today.

Out of curiosity, how did you come into ownership of three truckloads
of laundry detergent?

Later,

Tom

It's what I do, Tom. It's called diverting. Short example: Grocery chain
gets a deal from Proctor & Gamble, giving them better than normal
pricing, for maybe a month or two, on certain products, like detergents.
P&G lets the chain buy as many trucks as they want. They may put some on
sale (for the retail customers), or they may not. Or, if it's a product
that won't spoil, they just buy a lot because...why not?

The other thing they'll do is call companies like ours and see if we want
to buy truckloads and sell it to other chains, or wholesalers, who aren't
getting the same deal. Or, perhaps the one-month deal has passed these
others by. If there's enough spread between "normal" pricing and deal
pricing, it works.

It used to be easy until a bunch of stooges in Washington decided to see
how war affects the price of oil (something anyone can learn from just
reading, living life and watching old war movies). Before the war,
freight was $1.20-$1.40 per mile. Now it's $2.20-$2.50. That shrinks the
distance we can ship, obviously.

There's humor in the business. The manufacturers' reps are usually on
commission of some sort. Their companies don't want customers diverting
product. In other words, if Stop & Shop buys stuff on deal, they want the
chain to keep it for themselves. So, the reps whine to the buyers if
they're buying more trucks than they can obviously use in their own
stores. They threaten to cut off the deal. Then, they stop acting and
leave them alone for awhile while they continue to buy 15, 20 or 30
trucks, selling all but maybe 4 to people like us. Why? Because they're
on commission. :-)