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...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
You guys are pathetic and predictable. Your "the-sky-is-falling" reports on
jobs always precede the Bureau of Labor Statistics *actual* employment numbers by one or two days. I guess you can call it a preemptive strike...'cause you know that tomorrow's report ain't gonna be good for the Democratic candidate...and will be *VERY GOOD* for Bush's reelection chances. I predict another 0.2 drop in the Unemployment rate. Prediction: 5.4% unemployment rate. |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:15:50 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
You guys are pathetic and predictable. Your "the-sky-is-falling" reports on jobs always precede the Bureau of Labor Statistics *actual* employment numbers by one or two days. I guess you can call it a preemptive strike...'cause you know that tomorrow's report ain't gonna be good for the Democratic candidate...and will be *VERY GOOD* for Bush's reelection chances. I predict another 0.2 drop in the Unemployment rate. Prediction: 5.4% unemployment rate. Good morning, Florida! John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
( OT ) Jobless rate at 20-year high
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:23:26 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause"
wrote: Jim wrote: Jobless rate at 20-year high Area health and education gains fail to offset manufacturing losses. By Michael Wentzel Staff Writer (March 4, 2004) — More area residents were out of work in January than at any time in the last 20 years. The unemployment rate in the six-county Rochester area jumped to 7 percent, representing about 39,600 people looking for work, according to statistics released Wednesday by the state Department of Labor. In January 1984, the unemployment rate was 8.5 percent and 41,800 people were unemployed. “These numbers are part of the continuing loss of manufacturing jobs,” said Tammi Marino, a department economist. Since January 2003, the number of manufacturing jobs in the Rochester area fell to 78,300, a decline of 9,300 or more than 10 percent, according to state estimates. The area has lost almost 5,000 manufacturing jobs since December alone. Kent D. Gardner, director of economic analysis with the Center for Governmental Research, called January “not a good month at all.” Perhaps your local Chamber of Commerce should retain our buddy, Noyby, to fly up and give a pep talk to the unemployed, and to let them know how much Bush has done to help them find new jobs that pay enough to support their families. After all, flipping burgers is manufacturing, according to the Bush-****ters, and they also believe sending American jobs to India helps working Americans. Harry, if you search hard enough you should be able to find an area with 100% unemployment. Then you could post that and everyone would vote for your choice of candidates because you are always correct. In my house, the unemployment rate is 50%. That excludes part-time employment, of course. Using that statistic as a starting point, you should have no trouble finding a totally unemployed area. Try certain sections of northeast D.C. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:53:36 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause"
wrote: NOYB wrote: You guys are pathetic and predictable. Your "the-sky-is-falling" reports on jobs always precede the Bureau of Labor Statistics *actual* employment numbers by one or two days. I guess you can call it a preemptive strike...'cause you know that tomorrow's report ain't gonna be good for the Democratic candidate...and will be *VERY GOOD* for Bush's reelection chances. I predict another 0.2 drop in the Unemployment rate. Prediction: 5.4% unemployment rate. An unemployment rate that falls because unemployed workers are running out of benefits? An unemployment rate that falls because long-out-of-work workers are forced to take crappy jobs that pay a third of the good jobs that were lost while Bush was standing watch? Here's an interesting stat, possibly related to the failed Bush economy: Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. Feb. 24-29, 2004. N=1,000 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.5. "Now thinking about our country, overall, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in our country today?" Trend includes slight variation in question wording. Satisfied Dissatisfied No Opinion % % % 2/24-29//04 39 55 6 12/19/03 - 1/4/04 45 48 7 12/15-17/03 44 47 9 Oh, and let's not forget to factor in that a growing number of Americans now feel that Bush lies - about things that are important. Notice that ratings have gone down with the onslaught TV coverage of the Democrat primary coverage. What you are seeing here is a reflection of the satisfaction of television content. Now that other things can occupy the news, these numbers will get better. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
John H wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:53:36 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause" wrote: NOYB wrote: You guys are pathetic and predictable. Your "the-sky-is-falling" reports on jobs always precede the Bureau of Labor Statistics *actual* employment numbers by one or two days. I guess you can call it a preemptive strike...'cause you know that tomorrow's report ain't gonna be good for the Democratic candidate...and will be *VERY GOOD* for Bush's reelection chances. I predict another 0.2 drop in the Unemployment rate. Prediction: 5.4% unemployment rate. An unemployment rate that falls because unemployed workers are running out of benefits? An unemployment rate that falls because long-out-of-work workers are forced to take crappy jobs that pay a third of the good jobs that were lost while Bush was standing watch? Here's an interesting stat, possibly related to the failed Bush economy: Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. Feb. 24-29, 2004. N=1,000 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.5. "Now thinking about our country, overall, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in our country today?" Trend includes slight variation in question wording. Satisfied Dissatisfied No Opinion % % % 2/24-29//04 39 55 6 12/19/03 - 1/4/04 45 48 7 12/15-17/03 44 47 9 Oh, and let's not forget to factor in that a growing number of Americans now feel that Bush lies - about things that are important. Notice that ratings have gone down with the onslaught TV coverage of the Democrat primary coverage. What you are seeing here is a reflection of the satisfaction of television content. Now that other things can occupy the news, these numbers will get better. John H I hope they DO get better. I certainly don't want it to be a close race, it would be too risky, and Bush may win. |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
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...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
NOYB wrote:
You guys are pathetic and predictable. Your "the-sky-is-falling" reports on jobs always precede the Bureau of Labor Statistics *actual* employment numbers by one or two days. I guess you can call it a preemptive strike...'cause you know that tomorrow's report ain't gonna be good for the Democratic candidate...and will be *VERY GOOD* for Bush's reelection chances. I predict another 0.2 drop in the Unemployment rate. Prediction: 5.4% unemployment rate. Prediction, little or no change in the unemployment rate and the addition of some low-paying jobs most beloved by Republicans. |
( OT ) Jobless rate at 20-year high
WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:23:26 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause" wrote: The unemployment rate in the six-county Rochester area jumped to 7 percent, representing about 39,600 people looking for work, according to statistics released Wednesday by the state Department of Labor. Gee, Rochester is a one industry town. Kodak was slow to respond and is going down the ****ter. I'm surprised the rate isn't 40% there. Precisely. I have a friend who works for Fuji and he says Kodak did not think digital photography would have the impact it has, and did not aggressively pursue it. You can't blame Bush for poor corporate decisions. Kodak missed the boat and has let its competition pass it by. -- Charlie |
( OT ) Jobless rate at 20-year high
WaIIy wrote:
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:23:26 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause" wrote: The unemployment rate in the six-county Rochester area jumped to 7 percent, representing about 39,600 people looking for work, according to statistics released Wednesday by the state Department of Labor. Gee, Rochester is a one industry town. Kodak was slow to respond and is going down the ****ter. I'm surprised the rate isn't 40% there. So...I suppose we jsut dispose of everyone unfortunate enough to be stuck there? |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
Harry Krause wrote: Prediction, little or no change in the unemployment rate and the addition of some low-paying jobs most beloved by Republicans. Prediction, you will remain a democratic liberal whore, whose sphere of influence remains a boating newsgroup on usenet. -- Charlie |
( OT ) Jobless rate at 20-year high
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 20:35:57 -0500, Charles
wrote: WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:23:26 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause" wrote: The unemployment rate in the six-county Rochester area jumped to 7 percent, representing about 39,600 people looking for work, according to statistics released Wednesday by the state Department of Labor. Gee, Rochester is a one industry town. Kodak was slow to respond and is going down the ****ter. I'm surprised the rate isn't 40% there. Precisely. I have a friend who works for Fuji and he says Kodak did not think digital photography would have the impact it has, and did not aggressively pursue it. You can't blame Bush for poor corporate decisions. Kodak missed the boat and has let its competition pass it by. -- Charlie Charlie, what does your friend think of the new Fuji Digital SLR camera? (FinePix S3 Pro) John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
( OT ) Jobless rate at 20-year high
Not so -- at it's highest employment, Kodak had about 15% of the jobs in
Rochester. Rochester is also the home of Xerox, B&L, Paycheck, Gleason works (gears) GM (Delco and Roch Carbs (now renamed)), Case Hoyt (printing) and several smaller printers. Hickey Freeman (clothing) ANd Corning build (and quickly sold) a fiber optics plant. Perhaps other locals can add more All fed by hundreds of small machine/job shops I believe the biggest employer today is Strong health Care, followed by Wegmans (regional supermarket chain) WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:23:26 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause" wrote: The unemployment rate in the six-county Rochester area jumped to 7 percent, representing about 39,600 people looking for work, according to statistics released Wednesday by the state Department of Labor. Gee, Rochester is a one industry town. Kodak was slow to respond and is going down the ****ter. I'm surprised the rate isn't 40% there. |
( OT ) Jobless rate at 20-year high
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:23:26 -0500 (EST), "Harry Krause" wrote: The unemployment rate in the six-county Rochester area jumped to 7 percent, representing about 39,600 people looking for work, according to statistics released Wednesday by the state Department of Labor. Gee, Rochester is a one industry town. Kodak was slow to respond and is going down the ****ter. I'm surprised the rate isn't 40% there. So...I suppose we jsut dispose of everyone unfortunate enough to be stuck there? Nope, we offer them the opportunity for an education and training for a new job. The liberals offer welfare. The Republicans offer a chance to better themselves for the rest of their lives. |
( OT ) Jobless rate at 20-year high
"Jim--" wrote in message
Nope, we offer them the opportunity for an education and training for a new job. The liberals offer welfare. The Republicans offer a chance to better themselves for the rest of their lives. How the hell are you going to do that? You rights want to cut every program available to people who want to better themselves. |
( OT ) Jobless rate at 20-year high
John H wrote: Charlie, what does your friend think of the new Fuji Digital SLR camera? (FinePix S3 Pro) John, he says it hasn't been released yet, so he hasn't seen it yet. He's a warehouse manager for Fuji, BTW. -- Charlie |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.606e7062a1d4900a89f1e2a9d725c4c8@107 8496293.nulluser.com... (March 2001...who was in the White House when the rececession began? Bush was President for 2 months. A better question is: what policies could Bush possible have enacted in a 2 month period that could have caused a recession in only 2 months? Methinks the disease was there many months before the diagnosis. |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.606e7062a1d4900a89f1e2a9d725c4c8@107 8496293.nulluser.com... the recession ended in November 2001.* This bears repeating. The recession ended in November 2001...which means the economy has been improving for over 2 years. Employment stats are a lagging indicator. We've had 8 straight months of *GAINS* in employment. 8 months! I don't care if the number is 1000 or 100000. Either way, more people are working today than the month before...and the month before that...and the month before that...dating all the way back to June 2003. You guys were saying "3 million jobs". Then it was 2.5 million. Now it's 2.35 million. Bush could use the Dem's own ads to show the improvement in the job market. By November, he can say: "first they said 3 million, then 2.5 million, then 2.35...and now they say 1.5 million. We've gained 1.5 million jobs in the last 16 months. Why stop now?" When Bush puts this trend on a chart and holds it up before the American people, the message will be "Taxes were too high before I took office, and manufacturing started laying off people en masse starting in August 2000...5 months before I took office. My administration led the fight to cut taxes in early 2003, and since then, we've had 16 straight months of job growth. Why would you want John Kerry to raise your taxes and stop the growth?" Historical data showing 16 straight months of job growth will completely destroy the argument that we're on the wrong track economically. Only a fool would make such an assertion. |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"NOYB" wrote in message om... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.606e7062a1d4900a89f1e2a9d725c4c8@107 8496293.nulluser.com... the recession ended in November 2001.* This bears repeating. The recession ended in November 2001...which means the economy has been improving for over 2 years. Employment stats are a lagging indicator. We've had 8 straight months of *GAINS* in employment. 8 months! I don't care if the number is 1000 or 100000. Either way, more people are working today than the month before...and the month before that...and the month before that...dating all the way back to June 2003. You guys were saying "3 million jobs". Then it was 2.5 million. Now it's 2.35 million. Bush could use the Dem's own ads to show the improvement in the job market. By November, he can say: "first they said 3 million, then 2.5 million, then 2.35...and now they say 1.5 million. We've gained 1.5 million jobs in the last 16 months. Why stop now?" When Bush puts this trend on a chart and holds it up before the American people, the message will be "Taxes were too high before I took office, and manufacturing started laying off people en masse starting in August 2000...5 months before I took office. My administration led the fight to cut taxes in early 2003, and since then, we've had 16 straight months of job growth. Why would you want John Kerry to raise your taxes and stop the growth?" Historical data showing 16 straight months of job growth will completely destroy the argument that we're on the wrong track economically. Only a fool would make such an assertion. Dr. Tooth, I will add that I have two sons seeking work right now. So far I can't fault the effort they are putting into their search. The pickings seem pretty lean. Tell me again, where are all these jobs you are crowing about? Just for fun, comment on the crop of reservists returning to the job market when the come back from the big sandbox? After you answer that, tell me what will happen when this years crop of graduates hits the streets and can't find meaningful jobs? Since you are such a wiz with figures, how much of this spectacular growth has anything to do with little Bushes tax cuts, and how much is due to the unusually low interest rates? I was just reading how the American population is borrowing money to finance their purchases at a rate never seen before. Much of this is borrowing on the inflated values of homes combined with low interest rates; this is a one-time trick and I don't expect to see it repeated. The rest is massive credit card debt. At some point this personal debt load will choke personal finances to the point where the average consumer simply can't take on additional debt. When these people stop living beyond their means and start to simple survive while they service the debt they have taken on, they won't buy as much as they do now. What do you have to say about this potential blot you your rosy view of the future growth? For the 10 point extra credit, what will happen when the interest rates start to come back up? Address home sales, big ticket sales, and corporate investments. Mark Browne PS - You see the glass as half full, I see that little Bush has been peeing in it! |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:01:11 GMT, "Mark Browne"
wrote: "NOYB" wrote in message . com... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.606e7062a1d4900a89f1e2a9d725c4c8@107 8496293.nulluser.com... the recession ended in November 2001.* This bears repeating. The recession ended in November 2001...which means the economy has been improving for over 2 years. Employment stats are a lagging indicator. We've had 8 straight months of *GAINS* in employment. 8 months! I don't care if the number is 1000 or 100000. Either way, more people are working today than the month before...and the month before that...and the month before that...dating all the way back to June 2003. You guys were saying "3 million jobs". Then it was 2.5 million. Now it's 2.35 million. Bush could use the Dem's own ads to show the improvement in the job market. By November, he can say: "first they said 3 million, then 2.5 million, then 2.35...and now they say 1.5 million. We've gained 1.5 million jobs in the last 16 months. Why stop now?" When Bush puts this trend on a chart and holds it up before the American people, the message will be "Taxes were too high before I took office, and manufacturing started laying off people en masse starting in August 2000...5 months before I took office. My administration led the fight to cut taxes in early 2003, and since then, we've had 16 straight months of job growth. Why would you want John Kerry to raise your taxes and stop the growth?" Historical data showing 16 straight months of job growth will completely destroy the argument that we're on the wrong track economically. Only a fool would make such an assertion. Dr. Tooth, snipped Just for fun, comment on the crop of reservists returning to the job market when the come back from the big sandbox? snipped Just to answer one of your comments - you may be interested in the following excerpt: Employment and Reemployment Rights The Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994 (USERRA), enacted October 13, 1994 (Title 38 U.S. Code, Chapter 43, Sections 4301-4333, Public Law 103-353), significantly strengthens and expands the employment and reemployment rights of all uniformed service members. Who's eligible for reemployment? "Service in the uniformed services" and "uniformed services" defined -- (38 U.S.C. Section 4303 (13 & 16) Reemployment rights extend to persons who have been absent from a position of employment because of "service in the uniformed services." "Service in the uniformed services" means the performance of duty on a voluntary or involuntary basis in a uniformed service, including: · Active duty · Active duty for training · Initial active duty for training · Inactive duty training · Full-time National Guard duty. · Absence from work for an examination to determine a person's fitness for any of the above types of duty. · Funeral honors duty performed by National Guard or reserve members. · Duty performed by intermittent disaster response personnel for the Public Health Service, and approved training to prepare for such service (added by Pub. L. 107-188, June 2002). See Title 42, U.S. Code, section 300hh-11(e). For more info, go to: http://www.dol.gov/vets/whatsnew/userraguide0903.rtf John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"John H" wrote in message ... snip Dr. Tooth, snipped Just for fun, comment on the crop of reservists returning to the job market when the come back from the big sandbox? snipped Just to answer one of your comments - you may be interested in the following excerpt: Employment and Reemployment Rights The Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994 (USERRA), enacted October 13, 1994 (Title 38 U.S. Code, Chapter 43, Sections 4301-4333, Public Law 103-353), significantly strengthens and expands the employment and reemployment rights of all uniformed service members. Who's eligible for reemployment? "Service in the uniformed services" and "uniformed services" defined -- (38 U.S.C. Section 4303 (13 & 16) Reemployment rights extend to persons who have been absent from a position of employment because of "service in the uniformed services." "Service in the uniformed services" means the performance of duty on a voluntary or involuntary basis in a uniformed service, including: · Active duty · Active duty for training · Initial active duty for training · Inactive duty training · Full-time National Guard duty. · Absence from work for an examination to determine a person's fitness for any of the above types of duty. · Funeral honors duty performed by National Guard or reserve members. · Duty performed by intermittent disaster response personnel for the Public Health Service, and approved training to prepare for such service (added by Pub. L. 107-188, June 2002). See Title 42, U.S. Code, section 300hh-11(e). For more info, go to: http://www.dol.gov/vets/whatsnew/userraguide0903.rtf John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! John, I was already aware of the right to return to their previous jobs. There is no question about the right of these people to return to their jobs, if the job still exists. A lot of self employed folk will have a hard time re-building their companies after a years absence. They have been away long enough that their clients have had to find another source of supply for their services. Consider how this could affect a news-group regular, such as Dr. Tooth. If Nobby had to go away for a year of service, it might take a long time to re-build his practice to the point where it is at now. Those huge loans might even pose a serious burden for him. Naturally, this is a hypothetical situation because he was much too smart to sign up for the guard! Primarily, the question I posed for NYOB is about the folks that will be bumped when the military guy comes back for his job. These newly unemployed persons will add to the glut of job seekers. The first wave will be released back to the market just before the 2004 graduation class hits. If I were a betting man, I would go for good odds on a rise in the number of job seekers that can't find meaningful work. Mark Browne |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"Mark Browne" wrote in message news:bHH2c.516919$na.1173373@attbi_s04... "NOYB" wrote in message om... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.606e7062a1d4900a89f1e2a9d725c4c8@107 8496293.nulluser.com... the recession ended in November 2001.* This bears repeating. The recession ended in November 2001...which means the economy has been improving for over 2 years. Employment stats are a lagging indicator. We've had 8 straight months of *GAINS* in employment. 8 months! I don't care if the number is 1000 or 100000. Either way, more people are working today than the month before...and the month before that...and the month before that...dating all the way back to June 2003. You guys were saying "3 million jobs". Then it was 2.5 million. Now it's 2.35 million. Bush could use the Dem's own ads to show the improvement in the job market. By November, he can say: "first they said 3 million, then 2.5 million, then 2.35...and now they say 1.5 million. We've gained 1.5 million jobs in the last 16 months. Why stop now?" When Bush puts this trend on a chart and holds it up before the American people, the message will be "Taxes were too high before I took office, and manufacturing started laying off people en masse starting in August 2000...5 months before I took office. My administration led the fight to cut taxes in early 2003, and since then, we've had 16 straight months of job growth. Why would you want John Kerry to raise your taxes and stop the growth?" Historical data showing 16 straight months of job growth will completely destroy the argument that we're on the wrong track economically. Only a fool would make such an assertion. Dr. Tooth, I will add that I have two sons seeking work right now. So far I can't fault the effort they are putting into their search. The pickings seem pretty lean. Tell me again, where are all these jobs you are crowing about? Florida! Unemployment rates down in Collier, Lee counties By Daily News staff March 6, 2004 Florida's unemployment rate fell to 4.3 percent in January, down from 4.9 percent a month earlier, according to the Florida Agency for Workforce Innovation. In January 2003, the state's unemployment rate was 5.3 percent. Florida continues to outperform the job market nationally. In Collier County, the unemployment rate in January was 3.2 percent, down from 4.1 percent a year ago. The labor force grew to 125,501. In Lee County, the jobless rate dropped to 3.3 percent in January, down from 4.4 percent a year ago. The labor force stood at 219,473, up from 213,221 in January 2003. In Florida, there were 357,000 unemployed residents in January. That was the lowest in the state since April 2001. Florida's unemployment rate of 4.9 percent in December put the state at the second lowest among the nation's ten largest cities. The state with the lowest jobless rate was Georgia, at 4.3 percent in December. |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"Mark Browne" wrote in message news:bHH2c.516919$na.1173373@attbi_s04... "NOYB" wrote in message om... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.606e7062a1d4900a89f1e2a9d725c4c8@107 8496293.nulluser.com... the recession ended in November 2001.* This bears repeating. The recession ended in November 2001...which means the economy has been improving for over 2 years. Employment stats are a lagging indicator. We've had 8 straight months of *GAINS* in employment. 8 months! I don't care if the number is 1000 or 100000. Either way, more people are working today than the month before...and the month before that...and the month before that...dating all the way back to June 2003. You guys were saying "3 million jobs". Then it was 2.5 million. Now it's 2.35 million. Bush could use the Dem's own ads to show the improvement in the job market. By November, he can say: "first they said 3 million, then 2.5 million, then 2.35...and now they say 1.5 million. We've gained 1.5 million jobs in the last 16 months. Why stop now?" When Bush puts this trend on a chart and holds it up before the American people, the message will be "Taxes were too high before I took office, and manufacturing started laying off people en masse starting in August 2000...5 months before I took office. My administration led the fight to cut taxes in early 2003, and since then, we've had 16 straight months of job growth. Why would you want John Kerry to raise your taxes and stop the growth?" Historical data showing 16 straight months of job growth will completely destroy the argument that we're on the wrong track economically. Only a fool would make such an assertion. Dr. Tooth, I will add that I have two sons seeking work right now. So far I can't fault the effort they are putting into their search. Perhaps it has nothing to do with their effort. What is their work background/training? |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"Mark Browne" wrote in message news:bHH2c.516919$na.1173373@attbi_s04... "NOYB" wrote in message om... "Harry Krause" wrote in message news:c3dhc2g=.606e7062a1d4900a89f1e2a9d725c4c8@107 8496293.nulluser.com... the recession ended in November 2001.* This bears repeating. The recession ended in November 2001...which means the economy has been improving for over 2 years. Employment stats are a lagging indicator. We've had 8 straight months of *GAINS* in employment. 8 months! I don't care if the number is 1000 or 100000. Either way, more people are working today than the month before...and the month before that...and the month before that...dating all the way back to June 2003. You guys were saying "3 million jobs". Then it was 2.5 million. Now it's 2.35 million. Bush could use the Dem's own ads to show the improvement in the job market. By November, he can say: "first they said 3 million, then 2.5 million, then 2.35...and now they say 1.5 million. We've gained 1.5 million jobs in the last 16 months. Why stop now?" When Bush puts this trend on a chart and holds it up before the American people, the message will be "Taxes were too high before I took office, and manufacturing started laying off people en masse starting in August 2000...5 months before I took office. My administration led the fight to cut taxes in early 2003, and since then, we've had 16 straight months of job growth. Why would you want John Kerry to raise your taxes and stop the growth?" Historical data showing 16 straight months of job growth will completely destroy the argument that we're on the wrong track economically. Only a fool would make such an assertion. Dr. Tooth, I will add that I have two sons seeking work right now. So far I can't fault the effort they are putting into their search. The pickings seem pretty lean. Tell me again, where are all these jobs you are crowing about? Just for fun, comment on the crop of reservists returning to the job market when the come back from the big sandbox? After you answer that, tell me what will happen when this years crop of graduates hits the streets and can't find meaningful jobs? Since you are such a wiz with figures, how much of this spectacular growth has anything to do with little Bushes tax cuts, and how much is due to the unusually low interest rates? I dunno. When corporate tax returns are all submitted and accounted for, let's see how much businesses spent on their Section 179 expenses...which was increased to $100,000 in 2003. I was just reading how the American population is borrowing money to finance their purchases at a rate never seen before. Much of this is borrowing on the inflated values of homes combined with low interest rates; this is a one-time trick and I don't expect to see it repeated. The rest is massive credit card debt. At some point this personal debt load will choke personal finances to the point where the average consumer simply can't take on additional debt. When these people stop living beyond their means and start to simple survive while they service the debt they have taken on, they won't buy as much as they do now. What do you have to say about this potential blot you your rosy view of the future growth? I'm in the process of purchasing a new home and a new car. After I close, you will have just described my personal situation perfectly...except for the credit cards, which I pay off in full every month. In due time, however, the short-term debt will be retired, and my income will rise...and I'll be spending again. That's the normal cycle for most people. For the 10 point extra credit, what will happen when the interest rates start to come back up? Address home sales, big ticket sales, and corporate investments. The giant jumps in Quarterly GDP growth that we've been seeing will begin to moderate and level off. The stock market will see yearly returns of 10-15%...instead of the 35-40% returns we've seen in the 12 months. |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"Mark Browne" wrote in message news:KzI2c.497548$I06.5339699@attbi_s01... "John H" wrote in message ... snip Dr. Tooth, snipped Just for fun, comment on the crop of reservists returning to the job market when the come back from the big sandbox? snipped Just to answer one of your comments - you may be interested in the following excerpt: Employment and Reemployment Rights The Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994 (USERRA), enacted October 13, 1994 (Title 38 U.S. Code, Chapter 43, Sections 4301-4333, Public Law 103-353), significantly strengthens and expands the employment and reemployment rights of all uniformed service members. Who's eligible for reemployment? "Service in the uniformed services" and "uniformed services" defined -- (38 U.S.C. Section 4303 (13 & 16) Reemployment rights extend to persons who have been absent from a position of employment because of "service in the uniformed services." "Service in the uniformed services" means the performance of duty on a voluntary or involuntary basis in a uniformed service, including: · Active duty · Active duty for training · Initial active duty for training · Inactive duty training · Full-time National Guard duty. · Absence from work for an examination to determine a person's fitness for any of the above types of duty. · Funeral honors duty performed by National Guard or reserve members. · Duty performed by intermittent disaster response personnel for the Public Health Service, and approved training to prepare for such service (added by Pub. L. 107-188, June 2002). See Title 42, U.S. Code, section 300hh-11(e). For more info, go to: http://www.dol.gov/vets/whatsnew/userraguide0903.rtf John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! John, I was already aware of the right to return to their previous jobs. There is no question about the right of these people to return to their jobs, if the job still exists. A lot of self employed folk will have a hard time re-building their companies after a years absence. They have been away long enough that their clients have had to find another source of supply for their services. Consider how this could affect a news-group regular, such as Dr. Tooth. If Nobby had to go away for a year of service, it might take a long time to re-build his practice to the point where it is at now. Those huge loans might even pose a serious burden for him. Naturally, this is a hypothetical situation because he was much too smart to sign up for the guard! Primarily, the question I posed for NYOB is about the folks that will be bumped when the military guy comes back for his job. These newly unemployed persons will add to the glut of job seekers. The first wave will be released back to the market just before the 2004 graduation class hits. If I were a betting man, I would go for good odds on a rise in the number of job seekers that can't find meaningful work. How many reservists are you talking about? How many will actually be reentering the job market and displacing other workers? We have approximately 146.43 million potential workers in this country. 8.2 million of them are unemployed...giving us an unemployment rate of 5.6%. If you add 150,000 people to our labor market (although there won't be 150,000 returning all at once), and NONE of them find a job (very unlikely), then we'd have an increase that wouldn't even be noticed by any of the major statistics that the BLS uses. Example: We'd then have 146.58 million workers We'd have 8.15 million unemployed We'd still have an unemployment rate of 5.6%!!! |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 17:01:30 GMT, "Mark Browne"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . snip Dr. Tooth, snipped Just for fun, comment on the crop of reservists returning to the job market when the come back from the big sandbox? snipped Just to answer one of your comments - you may be interested in the following excerpt: Employment and Reemployment Rights The Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994 (USERRA), enacted October 13, 1994 (Title 38 U.S. Code, Chapter 43, Sections 4301-4333, Public Law 103-353), significantly strengthens and expands the employment and reemployment rights of all uniformed service members. Who's eligible for reemployment? "Service in the uniformed services" and "uniformed services" defined -- (38 U.S.C. Section 4303 (13 & 16) Reemployment rights extend to persons who have been absent from a position of employment because of "service in the uniformed services." "Service in the uniformed services" means the performance of duty on a voluntary or involuntary basis in a uniformed service, including: · Active duty · Active duty for training · Initial active duty for training · Inactive duty training · Full-time National Guard duty. · Absence from work for an examination to determine a person's fitness for any of the above types of duty. · Funeral honors duty performed by National Guard or reserve members. · Duty performed by intermittent disaster response personnel for the Public Health Service, and approved training to prepare for such service (added by Pub. L. 107-188, June 2002). See Title 42, U.S. Code, section 300hh-11(e). For more info, go to: http://www.dol.gov/vets/whatsnew/userraguide0903.rtf John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! John, I was already aware of the right to return to their previous jobs. There is no question about the right of these people to return to their jobs, if the job still exists. A lot of self employed folk will have a hard time re-building their companies after a years absence. They have been away long enough that their clients have had to find another source of supply for their services. Consider how this could affect a news-group regular, such as Dr. Tooth. If Nobby had to go away for a year of service, it might take a long time to re-build his practice to the point where it is at now. Those huge loans might even pose a serious burden for him. Naturally, this is a hypothetical situation because he was much too smart to sign up for the guard! Primarily, the question I posed for NYOB is about the folks that will be bumped when the military guy comes back for his job. These newly unemployed persons will add to the glut of job seekers. The first wave will be released back to the market just before the 2004 graduation class hits. If I were a betting man, I would go for good odds on a rise in the number of job seekers that can't find meaningful work. Mark Browne Your comment, "Just for fun, comment on the crop of reservists returning to the job market when the come back from the big sandbox?" indicated no such knowledge. Sorry. Unless you are a believer in the Household Survey, self-employed people don't count anyway, right? Most of the troops in Iraq are active duty, and won't be flooding the job market. As of September, 2003, there were 122,000 Army personnel in Iraq, including 3,000 National Guard soldiers and 5,000 reservists, Army officials told the Post. Another 5,000 Guard soldiers and 7,000 reservists are serving in Kuwait. That would mean a "flood" of about 20,000. Maybe some percent of those will not have jobs waiting. Most companies do not want the negative publicity associated with *not* having a job for returning military. Also, most companies don't hire someone knowing they will have to fire them upon the return of the soldier. The growth in the economy over the past year will more than compensate for the *at most* flood of 20,000 reservists. As for NOYB, he, like other dentists with whom I'm familiar, would probably have on tap someone to handle his patients while he was mobilized. Would you immediately switch dentists if you knew your regular would return in a year? I wouldn't. Many dental procedures can be postponed. If a patient *had* to go to a different dentist, and liked that dentist better, well, that's life in the big city. If I had a dental practice, I surely wouldn't join the reserves. The country is not suffering for people to join the military, so patriotism is not an issue. Joining the Navy, during the Vietnam war, was a good way to avoid going to Vietnam. Usually! For many, joining any of the services other than the Army was a way to avoid the draft and almost certain service in Vietnam. (Don't know what prompted that tangent, but since you're surely anti-Kerry you shouldn't care much.) John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
I'd have an associate come in to handle my patient load...and I'd have them
sign a non-compete clause so that when I came back, they couldn't open up shop across the street and take any of the patients with them. "John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 17:01:30 GMT, "Mark Browne" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . snip Dr. Tooth, snipped Just for fun, comment on the crop of reservists returning to the job market when the come back from the big sandbox? snipped Just to answer one of your comments - you may be interested in the following excerpt: Employment and Reemployment Rights The Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994 (USERRA), enacted October 13, 1994 (Title 38 U.S. Code, Chapter 43, Sections 4301-4333, Public Law 103-353), significantly strengthens and expands the employment and reemployment rights of all uniformed service members. Who's eligible for reemployment? "Service in the uniformed services" and "uniformed services" defined -- (38 U.S.C. Section 4303 (13 & 16) Reemployment rights extend to persons who have been absent from a position of employment because of "service in the uniformed services." "Service in the uniformed services" means the performance of duty on a voluntary or involuntary basis in a uniformed service, including: · Active duty · Active duty for training · Initial active duty for training · Inactive duty training · Full-time National Guard duty. · Absence from work for an examination to determine a person's fitness for any of the above types of duty. · Funeral honors duty performed by National Guard or reserve members. · Duty performed by intermittent disaster response personnel for the Public Health Service, and approved training to prepare for such service (added by Pub. L. 107-188, June 2002). See Title 42, U.S. Code, section 300hh-11(e). For more info, go to: http://www.dol.gov/vets/whatsnew/userraguide0903.rtf John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! John, I was already aware of the right to return to their previous jobs. There is no question about the right of these people to return to their jobs, if the job still exists. A lot of self employed folk will have a hard time re-building their companies after a years absence. They have been away long enough that their clients have had to find another source of supply for their services. Consider how this could affect a news-group regular, such as Dr. Tooth. If Nobby had to go away for a year of service, it might take a long time to re-build his practice to the point where it is at now. Those huge loans might even pose a serious burden for him. Naturally, this is a hypothetical situation because he was much too smart to sign up for the guard! Primarily, the question I posed for NYOB is about the folks that will be bumped when the military guy comes back for his job. These newly unemployed persons will add to the glut of job seekers. The first wave will be released back to the market just before the 2004 graduation class hits. If I were a betting man, I would go for good odds on a rise in the number of job seekers that can't find meaningful work. Mark Browne Your comment, "Just for fun, comment on the crop of reservists returning to the job market when the come back from the big sandbox?" indicated no such knowledge. Sorry. Unless you are a believer in the Household Survey, self-employed people don't count anyway, right? Most of the troops in Iraq are active duty, and won't be flooding the job market. As of September, 2003, there were 122,000 Army personnel in Iraq, including 3,000 National Guard soldiers and 5,000 reservists, Army officials told the Post. Another 5,000 Guard soldiers and 7,000 reservists are serving in Kuwait. That would mean a "flood" of about 20,000. Maybe some percent of those will not have jobs waiting. Most companies do not want the negative publicity associated with *not* having a job for returning military. Also, most companies don't hire someone knowing they will have to fire them upon the return of the soldier. The growth in the economy over the past year will more than compensate for the *at most* flood of 20,000 reservists. As for NOYB, he, like other dentists with whom I'm familiar, would probably have on tap someone to handle his patients while he was mobilized. Would you immediately switch dentists if you knew your regular would return in a year? I wouldn't. Many dental procedures can be postponed. If a patient *had* to go to a different dentist, and liked that dentist better, well, that's life in the big city. If I had a dental practice, I surely wouldn't join the reserves. The country is not suffering for people to join the military, so patriotism is not an issue. Joining the Navy, during the Vietnam war, was a good way to avoid going to Vietnam. Usually! For many, joining any of the services other than the Army was a way to avoid the draft and almost certain service in Vietnam. (Don't know what prompted that tangent, but since you're surely anti-Kerry you shouldn't care much.) John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"NOYB" wrote in message m... snip Dr. Tooth, I will add that I have two sons seeking work right now. So far I can't fault the effort they are putting into their search. Perhaps it has nothing to do with their effort. What is their work background/training? One is a Unix sys-admin with the right credentials; the other one has a high school diploma. Oddly enough, they are both getting about the same response in the job market - nothing. Now, lets move on to your fascinating implied statement. You seem to be validating Kerry's (and Deans) assertion about two Americas! One for well to do folks like yourself, and one for the left behind. You are implying that because they did to choose to be part of the minority that made the right (or lucky) moves and is doing OK right now, that they are not going to be part of the good times. You do realize that with your income, you are definably part of the minority, the top few percent of the economy. You might not think that there was any luck in your achieving the position you are in but reflect on this; there are doctors that have spent as much time as yourself in medical training (maybe more) and are working for an HMO pulling down crappy wages. When they started their training many years ago, the HMO thing was not even on the radar screen. Since this is almost at one-person, one-vote country, the coming elections may well sample the number of people that think they are doing well under the current administration, and the number of people that think that they are not and want a change. They both get the same right to vote. Mark Browne |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"NOYB" wrote in message om... snip How many reservists are you talking about? How many will actually be reentering the job market and displacing other workers? We have approximately 146.43 million potential workers in this country. 8.2 million of them are unemployed...giving us an unemployment rate of 5.6%. If you add 150,000 people to our labor market (although there won't be 150,000 returning all at once), and NONE of them find a job (very unlikely), then we'd have an increase that wouldn't even be noticed by any of the major statistics that the BLS uses. Example: We'd then have 146.58 million workers We'd have 8.15 million unemployed We'd still have an unemployment rate of 5.6%!!! The monthly job creation figures are in the 100,000 to 200,000 range. Current estimates are 20,000 returning from the big sand box. Each of these people, directly or indirectly, will be competing for these new jobs. Twenty thousand is a fair sized number when balanced against the number of new jobs created. It may not make a difference in your constant Pollyanna posts of how wonderful things are, but if these folk experience the same kind of problems getting work that my sons are going through, that's a lot of pain. Mark Browne |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"Mark Browne" wrote in message news:coK2c.517748$na.1175331@attbi_s04... "NOYB" wrote in message m... snip Dr. Tooth, I will add that I have two sons seeking work right now. So far I can't fault the effort they are putting into their search. Perhaps it has nothing to do with their effort. What is their work background/training? One is a Unix sys-admin with the right credentials; the other one has a high school diploma. Oddly enough, they are both getting about the same response in the job market - nothing. I don't know anything about Unix, other than it's an operating system. My knowledge of operating systems, as limited as it is, is Windows-based. I remember that the operating system at my engineering school was Unix...but that was more than 10 years ago. Is it still used a lot? Perhaps that's part of the problem? A change in technology? As for your other son with a high school diploma... What kind of jobs is he applying to? I find it hard to believe he can't find "any" job. I can't blame him for not wanting a job at minimum wage, but what skills does he have and what makes him more "employable" than somebody else that is earning minimum wage? Now, lets move on to your fascinating implied statement. You seem to be validating Kerry's (and Deans) assertion about two Americas! One for well to do folks like yourself, and one for the left behind. You are implying that because they did to choose to be part of the minority that made the right (or lucky) moves and is doing OK right now, that they are not going to be part of the good times. There is some "luck" to choosing the right career path that will be lucrative for a lifetime. I don't fault someone for choosing the wrong one. However, there's a point where that person has to accept the fact that they may have chosen the wrong path, and then pursue another one. Perhaps your sons could attend community college or a vo-tech school and get trained in something that will make them more marketable to an employer. You do realize that with your income, you are definably part of the minority, the top few percent of the economy. You might not think that there was any luck in your achieving the position you are in but reflect on this; there are doctors that have spent as much time as yourself in medical training (maybe more) and are working for an HMO pulling down crappy wages. When they started their training many years ago, the HMO thing was not even on the radar screen. A degree doesn't guarantee success...no matter what degree one obtains. For the longest time, that wasn't true for doctors. Unfortunately, the med/dental schools don't teach enough business classes, and doctors, as a group, make poor business people. There are doctors that have found ways to work with the HMO gorilla and still make a lot of money. Most of those doctors are seeing more patients than ever, and usuing more licensed nurse practioners and doctor's assistants, however...so patient care suffers. Some doctors have privatized their practices and now let the patients fight it out with the insurnace company for reimbursement. That model obviously can work in a more affluent area, but not in less affluent areas where there might be one or two principal employers that provides coverage for 2/3's of the town people. Since this is almost at one-person, one-vote country, the coming elections may well sample the number of people that think they are doing well under the current administration, and the number of people that think that they are not and want a change. They both get the same right to vote. Can't argue with you there. |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"Mark Browne" wrote in message news:tAK2c.80876$PR3.1149716@attbi_s03... "NOYB" wrote in message om... snip How many reservists are you talking about? How many will actually be reentering the job market and displacing other workers? We have approximately 146.43 million potential workers in this country. 8.2 million of them are unemployed...giving us an unemployment rate of 5.6%. If you add 150,000 people to our labor market (although there won't be 150,000 returning all at once), and NONE of them find a job (very unlikely), then we'd have an increase that wouldn't even be noticed by any of the major statistics that the BLS uses. Example: We'd then have 146.58 million workers We'd have 8.15 million unemployed We'd still have an unemployment rate of 5.6%!!! The monthly job creation figures are in the 100,000 to 200,000 range. Current estimates are 20,000 returning from the big sand box. Each of these people, directly or indirectly, will be competing for these new jobs. Twenty thousand is a fair sized number when balanced against the number of new jobs created. It may not make a difference in your constant Pollyanna posts of how wonderful things are, but if these folk experience the same kind of problems getting work that my sons are going through, that's a lot of pain. I can't address your son's hardships since I don't know enough about them. What skills do they have? Has there been a change in technology that might have made those skills obsolete? What area in the country do they live in? What area are they willing to move to? Do they expect to be paid the same pay that they were receiving before they became unemployed? What, specifically, could Bush have done differently which would have assured that both of your sons could find employment? Finger-pointing is easy. It's harder, sometimes, to look in the mirror and find where the problem lies. |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"Mark Browne" wrote in message news:coK2c.517748$na.1175331@attbi_s04... "NOYB" wrote in message m... snip Dr. Tooth, I will add that I have two sons seeking work right now. So far I can't fault the effort they are putting into their search. Perhaps it has nothing to do with their effort. What is their work background/training? One is a Unix sys-admin with the right credentials; the other one has a high school diploma. Oddly enough, they are both getting about the same response in the job market - nothing. The high school diploma son should be able to get a job anywhere, 7-11, warehouse, auto shop, retail clerk. The Unix Sys-Admin son might have to move to an area that has employers seeking his skills. Now, lets move on to your fascinating implied statement. You seem to be validating Kerry's (and Deans) assertion about two Americas! One for well to do folks like yourself, and one for the left behind. You are implying that because they did to choose to be part of the minority that made the right (or lucky) moves and is doing OK right now, that they are not going to be part of the good times. Nobody is being held back. If you want it work hard for it, don't sit around and complain about people not giving it to you. Depending upon your defintion of well to do folks you could be talking about 80% or less of the population. What is your criteria for well to do folks. You do realize that with your income, you are definably part of the minority, the top few percent of the economy. You might not think that there was any luck in your achieving the position you are in but reflect on this; there are doctors that have spent as much time as yourself in medical training (maybe more) and are working for an HMO pulling down crappy wages. When they started their training many years ago, the HMO thing was not even on the radar screen. Just because you pick a career when you are young doesn't mean that society owes you a job in that field for the rest of your life. Times change, needs change and those that don't change sit around wondering why they don't have any money. Since this is almost at one-person, one-vote country, the coming elections may well sample the number of people that think they are doing well under the current administration, and the number of people that think that they are not and want a change. They both get the same right to vote. It will be an interesting election, a Liberal vs. a Moderate. |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
snip I don't know anything about Unix, other than it's an operating system. My knowledge of operating systems, as limited as it is, is Windows-based. I remember that the operating system at my engineering school was Unix...but that was more than 10 years ago. Is it still used a lot? Perhaps that's part of the problem? A change in technology? Hmmm, it would seem that the zeitgeist of technology is not your strong suit. It is a virtual certainty that your post came via a Linux or BSD Unix system. The bulk of ISPs currently use Linux or BSD as they are *bunches* more reliable in production internet plumbing than anything Microsoft has every produced. If you use google or Amazon you are using Linux. I have noticed many reference to Linux use from members of this mailing list. The bulk of supercomputers and mainframes are running some sort of UNIX system. It is far from behind the times, and Minneapolis is certainly not out of the loop when it come to IT technology. On my local TCLUG mailing list, several members who were IBM employees members have had their jobs outsourced to India. I am not aware that any of them have found work yet. You pose the question, "a change in technology"? I say a change in the entire IT infrastructure. For the few that can find work there has been a 15% to 25% drop in wage rates. So much for my son training for a better job - It's looks like it has been shipped off to a low wage country. A few leeks later, my techno-geek son is still looking for suitable employment. As for your other son with a high school diploma... What kind of jobs is he applying to? I find it hard to believe he can't find "any" job. I can't blame him for not wanting a job at minimum wage, but what skills does he have and what makes him more "employable" than somebody else that is earning minimum wage? snip Oddly, when I sit down with him and do the math, if he works 37.5 hours a week he will *not* make enough to pay for rent, utilities, food and medical care. If he works two jobs he will not have the time to go to school and get more education to get a better job. Even then, health care is a deal buster. I certainly can't imagine that you, a staunch conservative, would recommend that he *not* accept personal responsibility and carry health insurance. Fortunately, he has a support system with us, so he can do things like go back to school and gain the training he needs for a better job. We have been trying to work out what will do OK in tomorrow's out-sourced job market. If you look at most jobs with an open mind, you find that a big chunk of potential jobs are vulnerable; precious few are a sure bet. And the few jobs that are left will be flooded with the outsourced. I wonder about all the McJobbers who do not have a support system such as my son has. Certainly a Hobson's choice if ever I heard one. It would seem that they are doomed to work at a McJob until they get too sick to work. Then they will join the ranks of the welfare population so you can pay for them with your generous tax contribution. Many have found that they can't get off the dole because they can't get needed health care working at a McJob. Of course, If we manage "starve the beast" to the point where there are not more social programs we can get back to the glorious days depicted in Dickens literature; you can still see what this sort of unfettered free market capitalism looks like in many third-world countries. I am sure that this thought warms the cockles of your conservative heart! Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate a swing to protectionism. The free market is a very powerful engine of market efficiency. But like any powerful tool, if must be used with adult supervision. I can't help but think that there is a workable middle ground between laze fair capitalism and communism. From where I sit, we are not at that point right now. Mark Browne |
...in Rochester NY due to the Kodak plant closings
"Mark Browne" wrote in message news:c_M7c.61530$Cb.927821@attbi_s51... snip I don't know anything about Unix, other than it's an operating system. My knowledge of operating systems, as limited as it is, is Windows-based. I remember that the operating system at my engineering school was Unix...but that was more than 10 years ago. Is it still used a lot? Perhaps that's part of the problem? A change in technology? Hmmm, it would seem that the zeitgeist of technology is not your strong suit. It is a virtual certainty that your post came via a Linux or BSD Unix system. The bulk of ISPs currently use Linux or BSD as they are *bunches* more reliable in production internet plumbing than anything Microsoft has every produced. If you use google or Amazon you are using Linux. I have noticed many reference to Linux use from members of this mailing list. The bulk of supercomputers and mainframes are running some sort of UNIX system. It is far from behind the times, and Minneapolis is certainly not out of the loop when it come to IT technology. On my local TCLUG mailing list, several members who were IBM employees members have had their jobs outsourced to India. I am not aware that any of them have found work yet. You pose the question, "a change in technology"? I say a change in the entire IT infrastructure. For the few that can find work there has been a 15% to 25% drop in wage rates. So much for my son training for a better job - It's looks like it has been shipped off to a low wage country. A few leeks later, my techno-geek son is still looking for suitable employment. As for your other son with a high school diploma... What kind of jobs is he applying to? I find it hard to believe he can't find "any" job. I can't blame him for not wanting a job at minimum wage, but what skills does he have and what makes him more "employable" than somebody else that is earning minimum wage? snip Oddly, when I sit down with him and do the math, if he works 37.5 hours a week he will *not* make enough to pay for rent, utilities, food and medical care. If he works two jobs he will not have the time to go to school and get more education to get a better job. The answer isn't to work two jobs. The answer is to work *one* job to pay *some* of the expenses...and get Stafford student loans to pay his school and any additional expenses. He may need to meet a minimum number of credit hours to maximize the the loans however. When he graduates, he can consolidate any student loans and amortize them out to 30 years with a very low fixed interest rate. |
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